This is another "CAN YOU BELIEVE WHAT OBAMA HAS DONE"!!!!!!!!!
All of the Presidents since 1987 have kept this information TOP SECRET, and now our president releases it TO THE PUBLIC???????????????????????????????????
This action certainly doesn't enhance our overall safety, but rather significantly reduces it. Outside of this step being possibly necessary and thus unstoppable in the prep for the "end-time event", why would this man/president do this, as it is such a negative to our nation's safety, as well as for our ally Israel's safety??
How can U.S. president cause top secret information to be released to the public?? Are there no grounds for treason charges for doing this such like?
IsraelNationalnews.com By Ari Yashar, Matt Wanderman
Obama revenge for Netanyahu's Congress talk? 1987 report on Israel's top secret nuclear program released in unprecedented move.
In a development that has largely been missed by mainstream media, the Pentagon early last month quietly declassified a Department of Defense top-secret document detailing Israel's nuclear program, a highly covert topic that Israel has never formally announced to avoid a regional nuclear arms race, and which the US until now has respected by remaining silent.
But by publishing the declassified document from 1987, the US reportedly breached the silent agreement to keep quiet on Israel's nuclear powers for the first time ever, detailing the nuclear program in great depth.
The timing of the revelation is highly suspect, given that it came as tensions spiraled out of control between Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and US President Barack Obama ahead of Netanyahu's March 3 address in Congress, in which he warned against the dangers of Iran's nuclear program and how the deal being formed on that program leaves the Islamic regime with nuclear breakout capabilities.
Another highly suspicious aspect of the document is that while the Pentagon saw fit to declassify sections on Israel's sensitive nuclear program, it kept sections on Italy, France, West Germany and other NATO countries classified, with those sections blocked out in the document.
The 386-page report entitled "Critical Technological Assessment in Israel and NATO Nations" gives a detailed description of how Israel advanced its military technology and developed its nuclear infrastructure and research in the 1970s and 1980s.
More: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/193175#.VRRvtlw-DFw
Secrecy? I prefer accountability.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdMbmdFOvTs
maybe he feels like one of those(bad) parents who says to the (bad)teenager
.."i brought you into this world and I can take you out"
the beginnings of isreal's program was from missing stuff from NuMec..right down the road from here in Apollo , pa.. look up who was where when and how it just walked out with the israel visitors. it's all on line if you look.
i've posted a whole file on the postponment of them cleaning up the 40 acres site.
here i'll give ya a start on looking it up...
if you think we've been screwed.. you'd be right
sigh
http://thebulletin.org/did-israel-steal-bomb-grade-uranium-united-states7056
Anyone else seen this? Thoughts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?autohide=1&version=3&autoplay=1&v=hmNzEpbkftU
Rdunk, could you explain how this disclosure effects US security?
Sinny
always consider your source closely.. look at the time it was done and what was occurring at that time.. the why of the statement
poor kennedy has been killed by sooooooooo many groups it's past
believing without a lot of other info looked at..
personally I'm still shocked we never heard poor old Joe DiMaggio did it
edit to add a bit from the link I posted
04/17/2014 - 22:10
Did Israel steal bomb-grade uranium from the United States?
Victor Gilinsky, Roger J. Mattson
A physicist, Victor Gilinsky is an independent consultant and formerly advised Nevada on matters related to the proposed nuclear waste repository at Yucca Mountain. His expertise spans a broad...
Roger J. Mattson is a mechanical engineer who consults on safety matters with NRC licensees and Energy Department contractors. From 1967 to 1974, he was on the Atomic Energy Commission technical...
Last month the Interagency Security Classification Appeals Panel (ISCAP), the nation's highest classification authority, released a number of top-level government memoranda that shed additional light on the so-called NUMEC affair, "the story that won't go away—the possibility that in the 1960s, Israel stole bomb-grade uranium from a US nuclear fuel-processing plant."
The evidence available for our 2010 Bulletin article persuaded us that Israel did steal uranium from the Apollo, Pennsylvania, plant of the Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation (NUMEC). We urged the US government to declassify CIA and FBI documents to settle the matter. In releasing the current batch—the release being largely due to the persistent appeals of researcher Grant Smith—the government has been careful to excise from all the released documents the CIA's reasons for fingering Israel. Despite this, the documents are significantly revealing. For one thing, the excisions themselves are a backhanded admission of the persuasiveness of the CIA's evidence. (Why these excisions are legally justified is not apparent—after nearly 50 years, the "sources and methods" issues have long ago dissipated.)
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http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/03/25/administration-declassifies-top-secret-doc-that-reveals-israels-nuclear-secrets/
The report was written by the Institute for Defense Analysis in 1987, which was federally funded and contracted by the Pentagon.
Israel is "developing the kind of codes which will enable them to make hydrogen bombs. That is, codes which detail fission and fusion processes on a microscopic and macroscopic level," the report states.
The report commends that the Israelis found "ingeniously clever" solutions to solve its problems in advancing the nuclear program, largely due to the "ingenious Israeli inventions" at a "key research and development laboratory in Israel."
The Pentagon declassified the document after Grant Smith, an activist who heads a radical anti-Israel group, filed a Freedom of Information Act request, according to reports.
edit to add the report.. it's pdf so you have to download to read
[PDF]Critical Technology Assessment in Israel and NATO Nations
irmep.org/cfp/DoD/071987_CTAIIANN.pdf
Critical Technology Assessment in Israel and NATO Nations. 12. PERSONAL AUTHOR(S). Edwin S. Townsley, Project Director. 13. TYPE OF REPORT r3b.
Smith, who heads the Institute for Research: Middle East Policy, reportedly said he thinks this is the first time the US government has officially confirmed that Israel is a nuclear power, a status that Israel has long been widely known to have despite being undeclared.
I am sure that any interested country has had this information for many years so I cannot understand why the OP seems so upset.
Quote from: Sinny on March 26, 2015, 10:43:48 PM
Rdunk, could you explain how this disclosure effects US security?
The same people that want to destroy Israel also want to destroy America , and the UK! The information about Israel and other countries' nuclear capabilities has been top secret for "REASON" for 27 years, and to publicly disclose any part of it should be considered treasonous. Any such information that benefits our enemies definitely has a bearing upon our US and Israeli security, as well as much of the rest of the world. You just should not give away such classified information!!! And only disclosing the information relative to the country of Israel, and blacking out the other countries speaks volumes to the whys and wherefores of this administration's release of this information.
Quote from: Just Looking on March 27, 2015, 12:24:10 AM
Smith, who heads the Institute for Research: Middle East Policy, reportedly said he thinks this is the first time the US government has officially confirmed that Israel is a nuclear power, a status that Israel has long been widely known to have despite being undeclared.
I am sure that any interested country has had this information for many years so I cannot understand why the OP seems so upset.
Nuclear power armament information in relation "our friend nations" is very sensitive, and it is a serious breach of protocols to do what this president and his minions have done. That is why many see this as such a really bad thing for this country to do, to one of its best friend countries - especially when it was a "get back at you" caused elementary fit action by this president!!
Quote from: rdunk on March 27, 2015, 02:30:54 AM
The same people that want to destroy Israel also want to destroy America , and the UK!
Hahaha, [snort!].
Are you one of those Zionist supporting Christians then?
QuoteThe information about Israel and other countries' nuclear capabilities has been top secret for "REASON" for 27 years
Yes because the entire rest of the planet would not condone Israel having nuclear weapons!
Quoteand to publicly disclose any part of it should be considered treasonous.
You wanna talk treason, lets talk ZOG.
QuoteAny such information that benefits our enemies
Who are these faceless enemies?
Al-Qaeda? ISIS?
QuoteYou just should not give away such classified information!!!
I refer you to my signature.
QuoteAnd only disclosing the information relative to the country of Israel, and blacking out the other countries speaks volumes to the whys and wherefores of this administration's release of this information.
It's called pre-empting, they'll disclose it before we do, it was a badly kept secret.
And I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you, but your 'commander in chief' is no such thing, he is one of the 'minions' you referred to.
Sinny said, "Hahaha, [snort!].
Are you one of those Zionist supporting Christians then?
Sinny, just for the record, AGAIN, I have made "my being a Christian" very clear here, over and over again. And yes, I do very much support Israel and the Jewish people, as they are very much a part of the foundation for what we Christians believe to be the TRUTH! And, even though I am concerned about some of the things that continue to be "world news" about Israel, I do also know that so much of this stuff must happen to get to the likely soon end of it all, of the which Israel has the leading role, and will be/is the focal point of the END ---- And isn't it a bit interesting to even you, that Israel "VERY OBVIOUSLY" IS SEEN BY MOST OF THE WORLD TO BE IN THAT "ROLE" RIGHT NOW, even though the "World" doesn't recognize why?? :)
Israel is such a tiny country, but Israel is a focus point of much of the world's news - I wonder why - well I know why, but just making the point for all! And I suspect that if we watch just generally, we are going to see a rapid expansion of that world focus on Israel in the near-term to come!! :)) ALL IS GOOD, as I am "ready"!
I am with you on this one rdunk!
Obama has definitely destroyed the US Constitution. He has committed multiple impeachable acts of treason, but the courts don't seem to want to do anything. Take the birth certificate forgery case. Obama's lawyers admitted it was fake and that it shouldn't be submitted for evidence as it was "so admittedly a forgery"! The absolute devilry Obama has exhibited against Israel, shows his Islamic mindset.
How can you win against pure evil?
Everything is going to plan! America deserts Israel and they turn to Germany for protection. It all leads to the destruction of radical Islam, and the US and Britain. May the Lord hasten!
Yes Starwarp2000 - "going to plan" is a significant point! Having America in a position for "saving Israel" in the end time is not in accord with "the plan". Israel will be saved from destruction in a way that the whole world will know it was God's doing, and not man's. And that is likely a main reason for many of the things we are seeing happening now as "current events" in America's relationship with Israel. :) God himself will save Israel!!
In conclusion, a FOIA request is a good thing, unless it's about something we don't want to become public. :P
Hold up boy's :P
Humans have a choice... The God may like it to seem ya don't have a choice but God know's better ;)
And so do you ;)
QuoteIsrael is such a tiny country, but Israel is a focus point of much of the world's news - I wonder why - well I know why, but just making the point for all!
Because they were pushed like a hornets nest into the mist of Middle East and handed everything on a platter without the need to obey any of the rules expected of others?
Quote from: Sinny on March 26, 2015, 10:41:46 PM
Anyone else seen this? Thoughts?
Oh yeah Gaddaffi is such a great source of truth :P
I hear the Mossad did 9/11 That revelation got Mike Singh banned from ATS
We all knew Israel was a nuclear power... and runs the USA :P
Hollywood is run by Jews too so is the diamond industry
Maybe it's time to let China take over :P
Quote from: rdunk on March 27, 2015, 04:12:41 PM
Sinny said, "Hahaha, [snort!].
Are you one of those Zionist supporting Christians then?
Sinny, just for the record, AGAIN, I have made "my being a Christian" very clear here, over and over again. And yes, I do very much support Israel and the Jewish people, as they are very much a part of the foundation for what we Christians believe to be the TRUTH!
That's not entirely correct, not all Christians are pro - Zionist.
QuoteAnd, even though I am concerned about some of the things that continue to be "world news" about Israel, I do also know that so much of this stuff must happen to get to the likely soon end of it all, of the which Israel has the leading role, and will be/is the focal point of the END ----
I've always thought that we could do with LESS people bringing about this prophecy..
but I suppose it's self-fulfilling.
QuoteAnd isn't it a bit interesting to even you, that Israel "VERY OBVIOUSLY" IS SEEN BY MOST OF THE WORLD TO BE IN THAT "ROLE" RIGHT NOW, even though the "World" doesn't recognize why?? :)
Only because the power of the FEW is bringing it into fruition.
QuoteIsrael is such a tiny country,
I call it a military outpost.
QuoteALL IS GOOD, as I am "ready"!
Well, at least you are.
Oh, and Rdunk, who are the enemies that want to bring down Israel the UK and USA?
Quote from: Dyna on March 27, 2015, 05:25:41 PM
Because they were pushed like a hornets nest into the mist of Middle East and handed everything on a platter without the need to obey any of the rules expected of others?
I think "handed everything on a platter" doesn't coincide with the facts of how what is now Israel has had to decisively fight to get what they have, more than once. Of course, they have had supernatural help, as the documentary "Against All Odds" does portray pretty well! :)
When you say that 'Israel has had to'...
Who are the actual *people* that you are talking about?
You know those people, who do these actions... Who usually lurk in the back gound... Who are they?
Sinny said, "That's not entirely correct, not all Christians are pro - Zionist".
That is funny - I have never used the word "zionist"! But absolutely I am PRO-ISRAEL. And I personally do not know any Christian that does not think likewise.
And "who are our enemies"? It is all of those that wish to bring us down/destroy us, including but not limited to, North Korea, Iran, Russia, muslim radicals in general, etc etc etc..............................etc, and probably China!
Quote from: rdunk on March 27, 2015, 08:05:16 PM
And I personally do not know any Christian that does not think likewise.
You should come to Portugal, we have many people that are not pro-Israel and some that are against Israel as it is now.
QuoteAnd "who are our enemies"? It is all of those that wish to bring us down/destroy us, including but not limited to, North Korea, Iran, Russia, muslim radicals in general, etc etc etc..............................etc, and probably China!
You forgot the worst of all, yourselves. :)
Sinny, maybe this will provide you a little insight into the "who" Israel has had to deal with directly, over a lot of years!
Wars and other conflicts
Israel has been involved in a number of wars and large-scale military operations, including:
Israeli war of independence (November 1947 - July 1949) - Started as 6 months of civil war between Jewish and Arab militias at the end of the British Mandate of Palestine and turned into a regular war after the declaration of independence of Israel and the intervention of several Arab armies. In its conclusion, a set of agreements were signed between Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria, called the 1949 Armistice Agreements, which established the armistice lines between Israel and its neighbours, also known as the Green Line.
Reprisal operations (1950s - 1960s) - Military operations carried out by the Israel Defense Forces during the 1950s and 1960s. These actions were in response to constant fedayeen incursions during which Arab guerillas infiltrated from Syria, Egypt, and Jordan into Israel to carry out attacks against Israeli civilians and soldiers. The policy of the reprisal operations was exceptional due to Israel's declared aim of getting a high 'blood cost' among the enemy side which was believed to be necessary in order to deter them from committing future attacks.
Suez Crisis (October 1956) - A military attack on Egypt by Britain, France, and Israel, beginning on 29 October 1956, with the intention to occupy the Sinai Peninsula and to take over the Suez Canal. The attack followed Egypt's decision of 26 July 1956 to nationalize the Suez Canal after the withdrawal of an offer by Britain and the United States to fund the building of the Aswan Dam. Although the Israeli invasion of the Sinai was successful, the US and USSR forced it to retreat. Even so, Israel managed to re-open the Straits of Tiran and pacified its southern border.
Six-Day War (June 1967) - Fought between Israel and Arab neighbors Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. The nations of Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Algeria, and others also contributed troops and arms to the Arab forces. Following the war, the territory held by Israel expanded significantly ("The Purple Line") : The West Bank (including East Jerusalem) from Jordan, Golan Heights from Syria, Sinai and Gaza from Egypt.
War of Attrition (1967–1970) - A limited war fought between the Israeli military and forces of the Egyptian Republic, the USSR, Jordan, Syria, and the Palestine Liberation Organization from 1967 to 1970. It was initiated by the Egyptians as a way of recapturing the Sinai from the Israelis, who had been in control of the territory since the mid-1967 Six-Day War. The hostilities ended with a ceasefire signed between the countries in 1970 with frontiers remaining in the same place as when the war began.
Yom Kippur War (October 1973) - Fought from October 6 to October 26, 1973 by a coalition of Arab states led by Egypt and Syria against Israel as a way of recapturing part of the territories which they lost to the Israelis back in the Six-Day War. The war began with a surprise joint attack by Egypt and Syria on the Jewish holiday of Yom Kippur. Egypt and Syria crossed the cease-fire lines in the Sinai and Golan Heights, respectively. Eventually Arab forces were defeated by Israel and there were no significant territorial changes.
Palestinian insurgency in South Lebanon (1971-1982) - PLO relocate to South Lebanon from Jordan and stage attacks on the Galilee and as a base for international operations. In 1978, Israel launches Operation Litani - the first Israeli large-scale invasion of Lebanon, which was carried out by the Israel Defense Forces in order to expel PLO forces from the territory. Continuing ground and rocket attacks, and Israeli retaliations, eventually escalate into the 1982 War.
1982 Lebanon War (1982) - Began in 6 June 1982, when the Israel Defense Forces invaded southern Lebanon to expel the PLO from the territory. The Government of Israel ordered the invasion as a response to the assassination attempt against Israel's ambassador to the United Kingdom, Shlomo Argov, by the Abu Nidal Organization and due to the constant terror attacks on northern Israel made by the Palestinian guerilla organizations which resided in Lebanon. The war resulted in the expulsion of the PLO from Lebanon and created an Israeli Security Zone in southern Lebanon.
South Lebanon conflict (1982–2000) - Nearly 20 years of warfare between the Israel Defense Forces and its Lebanese proxy militias with Lebanese Muslim guerrilla, led by Iranian-backed Hezbollah, within what was defined by Israelis as the "Security Zone" in South Lebanon.
First Intifada (1987–1993) - First large-scale Palestinian uprising against Israel in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.
Second Intifada (2000–2005) - Second Palestinian uprising, a period of intensified violence, which began in late September 2000.
2006 Lebanon War (summer 2006) - Began as a military operation in response to the abduction of two Israeli reserve soldiers by the Hezbollah. The operation gradually strengthened, to become a wider confrontation. The principal participants were Hezbollah paramilitary forces and the Israeli military. The conflict started on 12 July 2006 and continued until a United Nations-brokered ceasefire went into effect on 14 August 2006, though it formally ended on 8 September 2006, when Israel lifted its naval blockade of Lebanon. The war resulted in the pacification of southern Lebanon and in the weakness of the Hezbollah (which suffered serious casualties but managed to survive the Israeli onslaught).
Gaza War (December 2008 - January 2009) - Three-week armed conflict between Israel and Hamas during the winter of 2008–2009. In an escalation of the ongoing Israeli–Palestinian conflict, Israel responded to ongoing rocket fire from the Gaza Strip with military force in an action titled "Operation Cast Lead". Israel opened the attack with a surprise air strike on December 27, 2008. Israel's stated aim was to stop such rocket fire from and the import of arms into Gaza. Israeli forces attacked military and civilian targets, police stations, and government buildings in the opening assault. Israel declared an end to the conflict on January 18 and completed its withdrawal on January 21, 2009.
Operation Pillar of Defense (November 2012) - Military offensive on the Gaza Strip.[1]
Operation Protective Edge (July 2014) - Military offensive on the Gaza Strip as a response to the collapse of American-sponsored peace talks, attempts by rival Palestinian factions to form a coalition government, the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teenagers, the subsequent kidnapping and murder of a Palestinian teenager, and increased rocket attacks on Israel by Hamas militants.[2]
More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Israel
Quote from: ArMaP on March 27, 2015, 08:53:34 PM
You should come to Portugal, we have many people that are not pro-Israel and some that are against Israel as it is now.
You forgot the worst of all, yourselves. :)
ArMaP, are you talking about Christians, as you say "many people"? I could understand "people/non-Christians" being not pro-Israel, but, IMO, there is no place for such as a truly believing Christian, except for the fact that many Christians do not really know much about what the Word actually says anyway. And I am not saying that I know it all either, but I do know, according to the Word where God stands with Israel, and thus where we Christians are to stand concerning Israel.
Sorry Rdunk, I'll have to compose a considered response.
In the mean time, you can picture me running head first into a brick wall.
Quote from: Sinny on March 27, 2015, 05:51:30 PM
Oh, and Rdunk, who are the enemies that want to bring down Israel the UK and USA?
If I understood correctly the lessons learned here, it is easy to answer:
All those nations led by Satan. ;D
May I have a cockie now? :P
You misunderstood me Rdunk, I do not need to know how many many mini genocides Israel has initiated since it's inception; I do want to know however, *who* the people are behind running the show of this entity that you call 'Isreal'.
Presumably 'Israel' the physical piece of land hasn't spouted arms and legs from the ground and begun fights with the Arabs.
I specifically wish to know who is in charge of the 'entity' Isreal... Did you say something about God?
Does that mean that the British government and the Rothschilds were made stewards of Israel by your God also?
It was they who brought this entity Israel into creation, was it not? Who is stewarding Israel as we speak? Can you name God's people?
I suppose the Rothschild support in the Slave trade and Nazism was part of Gods plan to? Must have been to be carried out by Gods chosen people (?).
"The enemies of America are Iran, Russia, Muslim Radicals, etc etc etc... Possibly China" .
What is that? A script from fox news?
Do you even believe that statement yourself?
Russia was never truly Russia since 1917 when the Bolshevik brothers of the western Zionists took over, and they spread their doctrines to Red China.
The reality of the deep politics and international relations far differ from your closed pespective.
Isreal, the US and the UK are indeed under threat, but only by the very same force you yourself are showing reverence.
Most the bible is perverted hogwash (IMO), one thing I did take on board however were the teachings of Jesus Christ, some of these included, but were not limited to; Love thy neighbor, let he without sin cast the first stone, turn the other cheek. Quite the opposite from 'fear everybody who does not conform as you'.
Your particular denomination of Christianity does confuse me, although that's not your fault.
I think ArMaps comment should be taken into account with the fact Portugal's majority religion is Catholicism.
Thanks for your work commenting Sinny, but I certainly hope you are not expecting me to bother with a reply to your opinions either. And the truth of these matters seem to be playing out as we speak! Hold on, because it is going to be a real ride, whenever it finally occurs - horribly bad for many, and fantastic for a few (according to the Word of God (Bible). :))
This thread seems to have devolved into a bash Israel contest!
The original intent was to spotlight Obamas treasonous act of releasing Top Secret information. We know now that he lied about Netanyahu's speech before Congress! We know he told the media that Netanyahu went behind his back to speak to Congress when he didn't! The visit was vetoed before by all houses and Obama is a blatant liar!
Now he doesn't have to go for re-election, so he (in spite) has decided to make living hell for Israel.
Even your antisemitic views aside, has anyone ever thought of what the world would be like if Israel was gone?
They are the buffer between totally radical Islam and the rest of the Middle East! Obamas destabilizing attempts have resulted in even Saudi Arabia, and 'pacifist' Jordan, taking up arms.
You reap what you sow! Behold the Nuclear Armed Iran, worlds first State Sponsor of Terrorism, come to lie in your bed. Behold the new world that you have created!
Obama based his campaign on the slogan, "Change", but its not the change the world needs!
@Starwarp,
Yes you are right on all points imo.
Aslo...Isreal is the only true democratic State in
the ME, and Israel is an Ally of The United States.
Truth be told Obama seems to be holding his harshest
for U.S. Allies, and his best given to the enemy.
Odd that.
Hmmm.......
The clear of avoidance of my relevant queries demonstate obvious cognitive dissonance amongst some of our contributers.
NB: 'Relevent queires, the thread is about Israeli NW, I want to know who's in charge of Israel, could I have been more relevent? :o
I also love how the word 'anti-semitism' has been thrown into the mix when the *magical word* has not even once been mentioned. (Honestly!)
The act of treason was not Obama declassifying documents, the actual act of treason was Obama taking office, and every presisdent who has took office since the day the entity of the American government assasinated it's own presisdent, JFK.
I'll happily throw in the towel here, as I know the patience for depths intellectual examination fall ruthlessly short from here on out..
Starwarp, the conversation did not 'devolve', it had evolved, now it's being dissolved. (Ha.)
I can go seek out the American Patriot forums for my kind of discussion.
May the Lord be with you Rdunk.
Quote from: rdunk on March 27, 2015, 10:00:21 PM
ArMaP, are you talking about Christians, as you say "many people"?
Yes, Christians, as most Portuguese are Christians, and of those most are Catholic.
Quote from: starwarp2000 on March 28, 2015, 03:42:43 AM
The original intent was to spotlight Obamas treasonous act of releasing Top Secret information.
Is Obama the one that chooses what publish and not publish as answer to a FOIA request?
QuoteThey are the buffer between totally radical Islam and the rest of the Middle East!
Are they really?
QuoteBehold the Nuclear Armed Iran, worlds first State Sponsor of Terrorism, come to lie in your bed.
Where's that Nuclear Armed Iran? I can't see it from here.
Quote from: Sinny on March 28, 2015, 09:31:51 AM
Starwarp, the conversation did not 'devolve', it had evolved, now it's being dissolved. (Ha.)
May the Lord be with you Rdunk.
Sinny, thanks for your direct comment to me!!!!
I do suggest that you stay "involved" here, so that some of us can together get the important stuff "resolved" in our own minds and hearts!
Sinny, regarding the country of Israel, have you ever thought about the fact that much about what is known about Israel is seemingly way different from all other peoples/countries? Certainly, their written history reeks of supernatural involvement, and in and out of the captivity of other countries. And even since 1948, when they again "became a country", a lot of odd stuff has been happening through the years, including many technology achievements through their research and work. But from then until still now, Israel seems to be the "captivation point" of much of the relational concerns of a widely spread part of this world, and yet such a tiny place!
And......the views of Israel do seem to vary widely, as can be compared to the variance of thought presented in an old example of a room full of horse manure - some see that room as just a very very stinky room smelling like _ _ _ _, while others see that room with the knowing that there has to be a horse in here somewhere - in this case, a supernatural HORSE!!!
It is likely that discussions of Israel in the future will significantly increase, as "events" become even more suggestive of the fulfillment of prophetic writings. :)
If you talk bad about Jews and Israel you are labeled anti-semitic
What are you called if you talk bad about Muslims and Iran?
What are you called if your an Orthodox Jew talking bad about and calling for the dismantling of Israel?
If Zorgon says anything bad about Israel he is labelled a NAZI :P
Why do people 'dislike ' the Jews and Israel so much? Because the average person sees them entrenched in any field where money and gold is involved. Even Jesus had issues with the money lenders. But you can't talk about that because that would be anti semitic...
The Nazi's killed millions of NON Jews too... but they don't count and only Jews are still collecting cash from Germany today... but it is illegal, a hate crime to talk bad about the holocaust
Hollywood. Lawyers, Government... yep they are in there thick as thieves :P but you can't discuss that or be labeled anti-semitic or a hater. Doesn't matter what the truth is
Now Saudi's are using their influence and money to control as well. We have a big complex in Vegas paid for by Saudi money but it is okay to bash Muslims You won't be labelled anything
So WHO is driving the current false flag program of hate directed at Muslims? Can't talk about that... might be labelled :P
Quote from: ArMaP on March 28, 2015, 04:19:59 PM
Is Obama the one that chooses what publish and not publish as answer to a FOIA request?
Yes! In this case the FOIA was denied and the claimant sued for released. The High Court ordered the Government to release the document. The contents of that document (Classified) would therefore be up to the discretion of Obama himself to release or not release! He ordered the redaction of the particulars about the nuclear programs of Germany, France, Pakistan etc, and released information only on Israel. You put two and two together and see the treason involved. But alas it is just another act he will get away with!
QuoteAre they really?
Who else, apart from the tooth fairy, has held back Iran from taking the region?
QuoteWhere's that Nuclear Armed Iran? I can't see it from here.
Don't worry, it will soon affect you directly. It shall spring from the trough fed drones of the MSM. ;D
Quote from: rdunk on March 28, 2015, 05:22:16 PM
Sinny, regarding the country of Israel, have you ever thought about the fact that much about what is known about Israel is seemingly way different from all other peoples/countries?
Not though about it a whole lot :P But explain to me why the ORTHODOX Jews want to see Israel dismantled? They say a STATE of Israel is against the Torah. But hey What do I know?
::)
QuoteCertainly, their written history reeks of supernatural involvement, and in and out of the captivity of other countries. And even since 1948, when they again "became a country", a lot of odd stuff has been happening through the years, including many technology achievements through their research and work. But from then until still now, Israel seems to be the "captivation point" of much of the relational concerns of a widely spread part of this world, and yet such a tiny place!
Israel is NOT 'such a tiny place' They are an international network with a tiny home base. Hitlers solution was evil no question about that, but he DID offer to let them leave and go to other countries... no one wanted them at the time including Israel. And despite what many believe the Jewish practice of sucking the money out of a nation and sending the Gold home does have adverse effects on an economy. Same thing that happened in Germany is happening here today in the US. The Rothschilds and others are taking the gold out of the US killing jobs and our economy I hear they are investing in China now...
But oops can't talk about that :P I might be 'labelled' :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy3dP2ypF_U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy3dP2ypF_U
What I never understood is when the UN decided to create the State of Israel, why they didn't at the same time give the Palestinians a chunk of land as well? Seems it would have stopped a lot of grief
QuoteIt is likely that discussions of Israel in the future will significantly increase, as "events" become even more suggestive of the fulfillment of prophetic writings. :)
So perhaps the PTB is making things happen to fulfill the prophesy on purpose? EVERY Nation on Earth has a root in "supernatural involvement" Every culture has its own prophesy.
But how hard is it to make plans that fit a prophetic screen play already written?
I still kinda feel just nuking the entire ME is the best solution :P But I guess that would make me a hater :P
Quote from: zorgon on March 28, 2015, 07:04:32 PM
Why do people 'dislike ' the Jews and Israel so much? Because the average person sees them entrenched in any field where money and gold is involved. Even Jesus had issues with the money lenders. But you can't talk about that because that would be anti semitic...
Zorgon, my friend, it goes way further than current history. Go right back to Cyrus of Persia, and then forward to the Roman Era, and finally to the 20th and 21st centuries.
There has always been a universal hatred of Jews! I myself personally
don't buy into it, I seem to be immune to it. The reason for that you probably wouldn't understand.
So where does it come from? How can it be so universal?
The Jews themselves are hard working and tend to 'corner' the market in whatever they do. Is this the reason?
Without going into it too much, I believe it comes from the spiritual realm. An enemy that rails constantly against it and man is naturally affected by it. I will leave it at that.
Unless you have a better explanation?
QuoteThe Nazi's killed millions of NON Jews too... but they don't count and only Jews are still collecting cash from Germany today... but it is illegal, a hate crime to talk bad about the holocaust
Not really. Not so long ago Germany denied the holocaust even occurred, and even more so recently. Iran does it daily on Twitter! Nobody stands up and calls them anti-semitic?
QuoteNow Saudi's are using their influence and money to control as well. We have a big complex in Vegas paid for by Saudi money but it is okay to bash Muslims You won't be labelled anything
You seem to be unaware that those labelled 'radical' Muslims, use the same book as those labelled 'moderate' Muslims. So why aren't the moderate ones condemning the radical ones? Mmmmmmmmm, the answer to that will make your skin crawl.
QuoteSo WHO is driving the current false flag program of hate directed at Muslims? Can't talk about that... might be labelled :P
Some of it is false flag. Most of it actual. Hidden agendas abound. Ask yourself why a moderate Islamic country (Turkey) is also calling for the 'extermination' of the jews?
I thought it was a well known fact that Israel was a nuclear power? Even NCIS on TV told us that?
So what is all the fuss about?
I see all the conspiracy nuts :P clamering for official disclosure, filing FOIA's to get that disclosure... demanding the Government come clean and tell us what is going on...
Yet when the Head Cheese gives you that disclosure he is still attacked
Sorry I don't get it. Why is it a big deal to finally let the world know that Israel has always been a 'secret' Nuclear power?
Quote from: zorgon on March 28, 2015, 07:19:10 PM
What I never understood is when the UN decided to create the State of Israel, why they didn't at the same time give the Palestinians a chunk of land as well? Seems it would have stopped a lot of grief
Wow, people don't know their history do they! Yes they included the Palestinians in the creation of Israel! Yes, they bent over backwards to accommodate them. Yes they gave up land to the Palestinians in 'every' bargained 'peace' treaty. But no, we want it all. So 6 nations set out to 'take' it from Israel and they put everyone of them on their arses!
You can't even talk about a Palestinian peace process anymore! It has been hijacked by Hamas........ umm UN...... IRAN. In the recent war Israel found Hamas rockets stored in UN Preschools and UN Food Storage Facilities, even though the UN inspectors are there every day! Therefore the UN is complicit in aiding and abetting a Terrorist Organisation! Any wonder that the pot is sullied. Any wonder that there will never be any resolution with the Arabs until Israel is annihilated?
Quote from: zorgon on March 28, 2015, 07:23:19 PM
I thought it was a well known fact that Israel was a nuclear power? Even NCIS on TV told us that? So what is all the fuss about?
Yes, but not the particulars! If i disclosed 'how' the US got Nuclear Weapons wouldn't I spend the rest of my life in the White House?
;D ;D
The particulars are what is important. They can aid Iran in the path to their Nuclear Bonfires, hence treason.
QuoteI see all the conspiracy nuts :P clamering for official disclosure, filing FOIA's to get that disclosure... demanding the Government come clean and tell us what is going on...
Yet when the Head Cheese gives you that disclosure he is still attacked
Look closely at the person who filed the FOIA request ;)
QuoteSorry I don't get it. Why is it a big deal to finally let the world know that Israel has always been a 'secret' Nuclear power?
It's a secret 8)
Quote from: starwarp2000 on March 28, 2015, 07:22:59 PM
Zorgon, my friend, it goes way further than current history. Go right back to Cyrus of Persia, and then forward to the Roman Era, and finally to the 20th and 21st centuries.
Yes it goes way back :P but I didn't think I needed to list it all :D
QuoteThere has always been a universal hatred of Jews! I myself personally
don't buy into it, I seem to be immune to it. The reason for that you probably wouldn't understand.
So where does it come from? How can it be so universal?
The Jews themselves are hard working and tend to 'corner' the market in whatever they do. Is this the reason?
I don't hate Jews :P I have many friends that are Jewish and get some great deals from the Gem dealers. Even got a %K 'loan' back in Toronto to start my business that was not expected to be repaid. What I said was the general public tends to focus on one main issue... And yes they are hard workers but there is a certain portion of them that are the greedy Gold hoarders (Like the guy who cashed in on 9/11) These are the ones that the people face. They are the money lenders who treat you like dirt. These are the ones that are the focus of the hate. Even Shakespeare's "Merchant of Venus" addresses that point. And don't forget what happened with that Golden Calf while Moses was up the hill
There is no denying that Hollywood is Jewish controlled Even Spock was one :P But I like Spock :D
Ever had a Jewish Lawyer against you? There is a reason the word "Shyster" was invented :P Goldberg's name is on the money
Sure I could go on but everyone knows where the problem lies and human nature extends it to include "all"
QuoteWithout going into it too much, I believe it comes from the spiritual realm. An enemy that rails constantly against it and man is naturally affected by it. I will leave it at that.
Unless you have a better explanation?
There is only one explanation... THIS guy said it a long long time ago
(http://new.euro-med.dk/wp-content/uploads/Nathan-Rothschild-and-famed-quote.jpg)
And WHO runs the Federal Reserve> And WHO owns the Media?
QuoteNot really. Not so long ago Germany denied the holocaust even occurred, and even more so recently. Iran does it daily on Twitter! Nobody stands up and calls them anti-semitic?
Well years ago there was a statement easily found regarding the 6 million figure. Apparently it came from a Judge at Nuremberg that said "6000 or 6 million, what does it matter? the crime was done" Just try and find that remark today on the net :P And why is it still pushed so much today? All about MONEY but only the Jews are demanding recompensation What of all the others caught up in that mess?
QuoteYou seem to be unaware that those labelled 'radical' Muslims, use the same book as those labelled 'moderate' Muslims. So why aren't the moderate ones condemning the radical ones? Mmmmmmmmm, the answer to that will make your skin crawl.
Oh THAT old question "The peaceful majority" I have an answer to that one :P This is a reply from a Lebanese woman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owq8TkQ0AXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owq8TkQ0AXA
QuoteSome of it is false flag. Most of it actual. Hidden agendas abound. Ask yourself why a moderate Islamic country (Turkey) is also calling for the 'extermination' of the jews?
I don't need to ask that. Both sides have been at each other since Moses ran from Pharoah over 2000 years ago.
What I want to know is WHY the Orthodox Jews are wanting Israel destroyed :D That is more relevant
Quote from: starwarp2000 on March 28, 2015, 07:39:28 PM
The particulars are what is important. They can aid Iran in the path to their Nuclear Bonfires, hence treason.
Hmmm well We sell Jets to Iraq, train them to fly, sell them WMD's and Gas, to be used against Iran Then we turn against our puppet Saddam and blow up the planes, and try to reclaim the WMD's (but Saddam sold them to Syria, all except the Gas Reagan sold him which he used on the Khurds)... then today we sell Iraq F-16's and train them to fly them again Wassupwitdat?
http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=123611
QuoteIt's a secret 8)
Why should it be? No other nuclear nation gets to keep it secret? Why the special treatment for Israel? Maybe that why haters hate :P
Quote from: zorgon on March 28, 2015, 07:44:51 PM
What I want to know is WHY the Orthodox Jews are wanting Israel destroyed :D That is more relevant
You will have to ask an Orthodox Jew that one!
Maybe, I'm guessing, it's something to do with the Askenazi/Orthodox poop fight? Most Jews are not of the biblical Judah/Benjamin/Levi blood. Therefore the true-bloods hate the upstarts.
I will go to a Synagogue and ask one. No, I won't :)
Read this and wonder:
http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/opposition.cfm (http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/opposition.cfm)
Quote from: starwarp2000 on March 28, 2015, 07:08:16 PM
Yes! In this case the FOIA was denied and the claimant sued for released. The High Court ordered the Government to release the document. The contents of that document (Classified) would therefore be up to the discretion of Obama himself to release or not release!
Can you give me an official source for that? Thanks in advance. :)
QuoteWho else, apart from the tooth fairy, has held back Iran from taking the region?
Iran. :)
QuoteDon't worry, it will soon affect you directly. It shall spring from the trough fed drones of the MSM. ;D
I have been much more affected by the actions of the US than any actions of Iran.
While some of you may use the Bible as your starting point, I choose to hypothesize that Aliens may be laying groundwork for disclosure. Consistent with that, they need to neutralize the major warmongers: The US, Israel and Saudi Arabia. It would simply not do to present themselves to humans so that War Enthusiasts would exploit their exposure (as in "DEMONS ! INVASION! DOOM!).
I can see the US getting severely limited because of trouble with the dollar. I can see revolution or invasion taking the Saudis out. Israel? Not sure but the easiest solution is to annex the West Bank and allow all Palestinians full citizenship. End of apartheid/segregation. Not pleasant but do-able.
I also perceive that we get 'disclosure the hard way' in frustrating small steps along with the above. Some methane on Mars, fossil algae in a meteorite, then maybe extremophiles on Mars and onward from there.
Quote from: starwarp2000 on March 28, 2015, 07:56:45 PM
You will have to ask an Orthodox Jew that one!
Maybe, I'm guessing, it's something to do with the Askenazi/Orthodox poop fight? Most Jews are not of the biblical Judah/Benjamin/Levi blood. Therefore the true-bloods hate the upstarts.
I will go to a Synagogue and ask one. No, I won't :)
Read this and wonder:
http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/opposition.cfm (http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/opposition.cfm)
Synagogue of Satan come's to mind.
Here's another one.. Why are Anti-Zionists labelled Anti-Semite in stead of plain of 'Racist'? Again with all the special treatment...
Quote from: starwarp2000 on March 28, 2015, 07:33:53 PM
QuoteWow, people don't know their history do they!
There is certainly a lot of history. What I see a lot of is reports like this one.
Letter That Albert Einstein Sent to the New York Times
1948, Protesting the Visit of Menachem Begin
http://users.physics.harvard.edu/~wilson/HUMANRIGHTS/Einstein%20Letter%20Warning%20Of%20Zionist%20Facism%20In%20Israel.html
QuoteA shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants ? 240men, women, and children - and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it widely
https://www.afsc.org/resource/israel%E2%80%99s-settlement-policy-occupied-palestinian-territory
QuoteIsrael's policy of building settlements in occupied territory is one of the core issues in the conflict. Illegal under international law, settlements are built on confiscated or stolen Palestinian land,
QuoteArticle 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention[vi] explicitly prohibits an "Occupying Power" (Israel) from transferring any part of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.
Quote from: rdunk on March 27, 2015, 08:05:16 PM
Sinny said, "That's not entirely correct, not all Christians are pro - Zionist".
That is funny - I have never used the word "zionist"! But absolutely I am PRO-ISRAEL. And I personally do not know any Christian that does not think likewise.
And "who are our enemies"? It is all of those that wish to bring us down/destroy us, including but not limited to, North Korea, Iran, Russia, muslim radicals in general, etc etc etc..............................etc, and probably China!
I think you are not taking into account the arrival of Jesus and the Jewish rejection of the son of God whom was already promised to arrive. A spiritual nation is what is now dealt with and the Jews that are true and following the law will be a spiritual nation in which the gentiles were allowed to be added. No one is to automatically be a chosen but must be the lovers and followers of the laws. These laws are the ones brought by Jesus as he "fulfilled" and thus ended (did away with) the old law.
The actions or "fruits" is what one looks for to see the real people of god and those show a love of their neighbors, they don't kill and so on. there are no brownie points for a title "Israel" love is not handed out indiscriminately for that but for being a "spiritual son" of Abraham by being obedient and showing love.
QuoteRomans 9:6-12New International Version (NIV)
God's Sovereign Choice
6 It is not as though God's word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned."[a] 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.
I agree with your sentiment Dyna.
Whilst I am not (yet) fully commited to naming myself a Christian, from my pespective, I live a more Christian life than Rdunk (no offence or hurt intended).
I refer to, amongst others, loving thy nieghbor...
Quote from: Sinny on April 01, 2015, 08:06:29 PM
I agree with your sentiment Dyna.
Whilst I am not (yet) fully commited to naming myself a Christian, from my pespective, I live a more Christian life than Rdunk (no offence or hurt intended).
I refer to, amongst others, loving thy nieghbor...
Sinny I am not hurt nor offended by your comment, as we really do not get to know each other well on a forum like this. And certainly, it is pretty much discouraged to discuss religion here, except in the closed forum board.
I am glad, from what you said, that you at least remain open to possibly becoming a Christian which with purpose is a simple thing to do. And then from there it is a learning and growing process in the Lord. Any questions or thoughts in this regard, PM and I will reply, to help in any way I can. Becoming a Christian then opens the door for spiritual understanding, and the understanding for what this life is all about! In any case, you are not waiting on God, He is waiting on you ( and you likely sense this in your heart)! ††