Observation Window of a Mars Base or
Giant UFO Found on Mars?
Odd Anomaly on Mars
MOC narrow-angle image M18-00558
Layer and light-toned outcrops in Aram Chaos
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars5/M1800558/Clip_004.png)
CREDIT: Bret Colin Shepperd
This is a closeup of MOC narrow-angle image M18-00558 (bottom center)
Very Clear Object on the Edge of a Cliff
Is it a rock? This is one of the best I have seen in a very long time. There is no mistaking this one for an ordinary rock. The angles and openings suggest a control center viewing platform. It looks like a Flying Saucer a little but the size would indicate it is more likely a building or outlook for an underground base. The texture is different from surrounding terrain and there is a reflection on the one edge indicating a shiny surface.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars5/M1800558/Clip_003.png)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars5/M1800558/Clip_002.png)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars5/M1800558/Clip_001.png)
The raw images are available here
SOURCE: MALIN M1800558 (http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/m13_m18/images/M18/M1800558.html)
Hey Z, I just began looking at the source image you posted, and I saw this, which certainly caught my eye. I am going to go ahead and post it, to give you and others a look at it too. Has the look of buildings and/or structures. Still looking at your pic! :)
http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/m13_m18/full_jpg_map/M18/M1800558.jpg
(http://s13.postimg.org/5s1m438w7/Screen_Shot_2015_03_28_at_4_30_41_PM.jpg)
First of all, that doesn't look like a cliff, it looks like an area of dunes, and the object appears to be a dune, but in a position perpendicular to the other dunes near it.
As for the "reflection" the only thing we can see is a whiter area, it doesn't mean it's a reflection, specially in an area that appears to be one of those areas with a layer of white bedrock .
PS: I couldn't find any higher resolution photos from that exact area, but I found a CTX photo with a resolution of 6.32 metres per pixel (the photo from the opening post has a resolution of 2.9 metres per pixel).
And here is another area with "different features" in the same photo - some sort of white vertical shaped piece, next to another seemingly shaped piece.
(http://s8.postimg.org/f2j3jpdx1/Screen_Shot_2015_03_28_at_8_27_37_PM.jpg)
Very interesting,Z; isn't too often we see symmetrical objects with straight lines with 90 degree angles forming rectangles... 8)
appears to my eyes to be a manufactured structure; also appears [to me] that the bright areas under each one are equally spaced and are light sources rather than reflective surfaces...
but that is just my observations and musings...
8)
seeker
Quote from: the seeker on March 29, 2015, 04:01:05 AM
Very interesting,Z; isn't too often we see symmetrical objects with straight lines with 90 degree angles forming rectangles... 8)
Where are those 90º angles? ???
This is what that photo looks like when the photo is rotated so north is at the top of the image.
(I used the IMG file, converted it to GIF with NASAView and rotated it in PaintShopPro)
m1800558 (https://cld.pt/dl/download/98c6ba17-cfcb-45cc-9176-fe68c5f709f0/ws5517e3ad.GIF)
And this is what that area looks like in the above photo.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/m1800558_2.png)
Looks constucted to me.
I firmly believe there's a whole bunch off shizzle up there which we will be gradually finding over the years..
But they plan on being there 'officially' soon, perfect timing for covering their tracks.
Quote from: ArMaP on March 29, 2015, 12:37:54 PM
This is what that photo looks like when the photo is rotated so north is at the top of the image.
(I used the IMG file, converted it to GIF with NASAView and rotated it in PaintShopPro)
m1800558 (http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/ws5517e3ad.GIF)
And this is what that area looks like in the above photo.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/m1800558_2.png)
give me the link to your img file, I want to look at it with NASAview....
Thanks...
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on March 29, 2015, 03:25:30 PM
give me the link to your img file, I want to look at it with NASAview....
Thanks...
You can get it here (http://ftp://ida2.wr.usgs.gov/cdroms1/MGSC_1109/m18005/m1800558.imq).
PS: I said it was the IMG file but it's an IMQ, the version of IMG that has the image data compressed. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on March 29, 2015, 12:37:54 PM
This is what that photo looks like when the photo is rotated so north is at the top of the image.
(I used the IMG file, converted it to GIF with NASAView and rotated it in PaintShopPro)
m1800558 (http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/ws5517e3ad.GIF)
And this is what that area looks like in the above photo.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/m1800558_2.png)
ArMaP, I see nothing in this pic that looks like the area of Z's anomaly post. I do see some white areas that appear to be upside down. Can you point out the anomaly area in your pic so we can know where it is??
Quote from: ArMaP on March 28, 2015, 10:05:23 PM
As for the "reflection" the only thing we can see is a whiter area, it doesn't mean it's a reflection, specially in an area that appears to be one of those areas with a layer of white bedrock .
That is a silly statement ArMaP
Since ALL objects we see are because light is reflected off the surface to our eyes, it most certainly is reflecting. IF it is just a stone that is white it is still reflecting more light that the surrounding area
Nice try though :P
What I am seeing looks like an observation window. As far as I know there was only the one orbiter that snapped that area. There are likely hundreds of more great finds in the MOC images but since Mike Singh and Exuberant1 left not many are searching anymore
As far sa anomalies go this is one of the best I have seen in a long time. Different angle? Sure it might 'disappear' If it is meant to be hidden, it usually only appears from a specific angle... same as a Magician's prop where you can see the Dove behind the Flaming Sword from only one angle :D
Quote from: zorgon on March 29, 2015, 07:45:22 PM
That is a silly statement ArMaP
Since ALL objects we see are because light is reflected off the surface to our eyes, it most certainly is reflecting. IF it is just a stone that is white it is still reflecting more light that the surrounding area
Nice try though :P
So, when you wrote "there is a reflection on the one edge indicating a shiny surface" you were talking about the whole photo? ::)
QuoteWhat I am seeing looks like an observation window.
On the ground? ???
QuoteAs far as I know there was only the one orbiter that snapped that area.
There is at least another photo of the area, from the CTX camera on board
Mars Global Surveyor Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, but the resolution is not as good. Give some minutes and I will post that photo. :)
QuoteThere are likely hundreds of more great finds in the MOC images but since Mike Singh and Exuberant1 left not many are searching anymore
Yes, that's too bad, not looking is the best way of not finding any thing. Unfortunately it takes a lot of time, so few people do it.
QuoteAs far sa anomalies go this is one of the best I have seen in a long time.
To me it looks just like a dune with a little of the white rock appearing beneath it.
QuoteDifferent angle? Sure it might 'disappear' If it is meant to be hidden, it usually only appears from a specific angle... same as a Magician's prop where you can see the Dove behind the Flaming Sword from only one angle :D
The image I posted is from the same angle, as that's the same photo, it was only rotated to have north to the top of the photo.
Quote from: rdunk on March 29, 2015, 06:35:24 PM
ArMaP, I see nothing in this pic that looks like the area of Z's anomaly post. I do see some white areas that appear to be upside down. Can you point out the anomaly area in your pic so we can know where it is??
Here it is. :)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/m1800558_3.png)
Here's that area from a different photo, taken with the CTX camera (the context camera used for the HiRISE photos), photo B11_013783_1816_XN_01N020W (http://viewer.mars.asu.edu/planetview/inst/ctx/B11_013783_1816_XN_01N020W#P=B11_013783_1816_XN_01N020W&T=2). :)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/B11_013783_1816_XN_01N020W_1.jpg)
Quote from: ArMaP on March 29, 2015, 10:03:03 PM
Here it is. :)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/m1800558_3.png)
ArMaP, if that is it, then your pic must be upside down, because the geographic features of your pic still do not compare to the geographic features Z's pic.
Quote from: rdunk on March 29, 2015, 11:12:13 PM
ArMaP, if that is it, then your pic must be upside down, because the geographic features of your pic still do not compare to the geographic features Z's pic.
Well, in a photo of the ground there's no "up" or "down", so the image I posted cannot really be "upside down". ;)
I don't know if the image Zorgon posted was rotated in some way, but, as I said in a previous post, the image I posted was rotated so it has north at the top of the image, as if we were looking at a map.
The difference between the raw image (the photo taken along the flight path of the satellite that carried the camera) and the image I posted is 182.95º, so yes, we can say that the image I posted is "upside down" when compared with the one posted by Zorgon on the opening post. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on March 30, 2015, 12:27:58 AM
Well, in a photo of the ground there's no "up" or "down", so the image I posted cannot really be "upside down". ;)
I don't know if the image Zorgon posted was rotated in some way, but, as I said in a previous post, the image I posted was rotated so it has north at the top of the image, as if we were looking at a map.
The difference between the raw image (the photo taken along the flight path of the satellite that carried the camera) and the image I posted is 182.95º, so yes, we can say that the image I posted is "upside down" when compared with the one posted by Zorgon on the opening post. :)
Well, I guess the biggest difference is.........Z's photo shows an anomaly area with circumference features up on top of a cliff/hill, and where you have located the anomaly, it looks to be down on the surface. Also the wide white features in Z's photo point downward, and in your photo they are on the surface and pointing upward. ? ? ? ? ?
And just a point about taking photos of the ground - - straight down shots would take away most of the up/down, but any angle from the camera to the ground absolutely puts a height component into the accuracy of the photo!
Quote from: rdunk on March 30, 2015, 12:52:06 AM
Well, I guess the biggest difference is.........Z's photo shows an anomaly area with circumference features up on top of a cliff/hill, and where you have located the anomaly, it looks to be down on the surface. Also the wide white features in Z's photo point downward, and in your photo they are on the surface and pointing upward. ? ? ? ? ?
That means that what is seen on Zorgon's photo is an illusion. When I started looking at photos of the Moon several years ago I noticed that sometimes I had some trouble identifying correctly the shadows, so I always rotated the images to see if it made any difference, and sometimes it did, my preconceived idea of what should be top and bottom (for example) made me see things in a specific way, but things were not as I thought they were, so when I looked at the photo in a different way I wouldn't see (or see, according to the type of situation) different things.
QuoteAnd just a point about taking photos of the ground - - straight down shots would take away most of the up/down, but any angle from the camera to the ground absolutely puts a height component into the accuracy of the photo!
For this specific photo the camera was pointing down at an angle of 89.63º, so the "height component" extremely small.
PS: all mapping missions take most of the photos as close to the vertical as possible, as it makes the projecting of the image over the sphere that represents the theoretical astral body easier.
That means that what is seen on Zorgon's photo is an illusion. When I started looking at photos of the Moon several years ago I noticed that sometimes I had some trouble identifying correctly the shadows, so I always rotated the images to see if it made any difference, and sometimes it did, my preconceived idea of what should be top and bottom (for example) made me see things in a specific way, but things were not as I thought they were, so when I looked at the photo in a different way I wouldn't see (or see, according to the type of situation) different things.
Yes I agree ArMaP, I rotate all my photos to get a better perspective. I attach the photo in Cad as then lay there down too in an isometric plane. It does make a difference!
Gentlemen, even after rotating the image Z posted I still see 2 rectangular structures with a straight edge in between them...
perhaps it is an illusion; perhaps not...
just another point to debate until we have a way to see it with more than a long distance photo...
8)
seeker
Quote from: the seeker on March 30, 2015, 04:24:38 AM
Gentlemen, even after rotating the image Z posted I still see 2 rectangular structures with a straight edge in between them...
perhaps it is an illusion; perhaps not...
just another point to debate until we have a way to see it with more than a long distance photo...
8)
seeker
Seeker, just to be sure, are you referring to one of Zorgon's pics in the OP having rectangular structures and straight edges, or could it be in one of the pics I posted in #1 & #2 replies. For sure my #1 reply has rectangular objects and straight edges. :)
Quote from: the seeker on March 30, 2015, 04:24:38 AM
Gentlemen, even after rotating the image Z posted I still see 2 rectangular structures with a straight edge in between them...
It would help if you could point to them, as I don't see any rectangular feature on that photo. ???
ArMap, that link to the img doesn't work for me.... :-\
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on March 30, 2015, 12:38:32 PM
ArMap, that link to the img doesn't work for me.... :-\
It looks like the link gets an extra "http", try the one below.
(try right-click and save target or equivalent, as it looks like the browser tries to load the image as a text file, probably because IMG and IMQ files start as a text file)
ftp://ida2.wr.usgs.gov/cdroms1/MGSC_1109/m18005/m1800558.imq
Quote from: zorgon on March 28, 2015, 08:58:32 PM
Observation Window of a Mars Base or
Giant UFO Found on Mars?
Odd Anomaly on Mars
MOC narrow-angle image M18-00558
Layer and light-toned outcrops in Aram Chaos
CREDIT: Bret Colin Shepperd
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars5/M1800558/Clip_001.png)
This image is from the OP as posted by Z; mayhap it is just me getting senile, but I still see straight edges and 90 degree angles...
seeker
Quote from: ArMaP on March 29, 2015, 12:37:54 PM
This is what that photo looks like when the photo is rotated so north is at the top of the image.
(I used the IMG file, converted it to GIF with NASAView and rotated it in PaintShopPro)
m1800558 (http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/ws5517e3ad.GIF)
And this is what that area looks like in the above photo.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/m1800558_2.png)
Well YOUR copy has a lot less contrast than the official Malin copy that I used but if you turn your image over the object is still there.
Since these images are taken from OVERHEAD does it really matter which way is "north" up?
As to right angles and rectangles THIS is also a right angle and a rectangle
(http://studio-tm.com/constructionblog/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/curtain-wall-window-head-flashing-jamb-detail.jpg)
Now this image is ArMaP's NASAview that I simply increased the contrast I can still see the anomaly clear as day I clipped it and added the inverted clip Looks the same to me...
And the little rectangles I boxed are interesting :D
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars5/M1800558/ArMaP_001.png)
Turn it , twist it, fuzz it, doesn't matter Its still there :P
And it sure looks like a shadow beneath the part that appears to overhang :P
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars5/M1800558/Clip_005.png)
Quote from: rdunk on March 28, 2015, 09:44:11 PM
Hey Z, I just began looking at the source image you posted, and I saw this, which certainly caught my eye.
Yup it caught my eye too
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars5/M1800558/Clip_006.png)
Quote from: the seeker on March 30, 2015, 05:54:12 PM
This image is from the OP as posted by Z; mayhap it is just me getting senile, but I still see straight edges and 90 degree angles...
Where? ???
Quote from: zorgon on March 30, 2015, 07:57:10 PM
Well YOUR copy has a lot less contrast than the official Malin copy that I used but if you turn your image over the object is still there.
It has less contrast because, as I said, I didn't do any processing besides rotating it so North is at the top of the image, and yes, the object is still there, I never said it wasn't.
QuoteSince these images are taken from OVERHEAD does it really matter which way is "north" up?
It does if you want to try to find the area on a map or something like Google Mars. Also, it helps understand if we are looking at an optical illusion or not.
QuoteAs to right angles and rectangles THIS is also a right angle and a rectangle
That photo shows things that we recognise as things that we know have right angles, the photo from Mars is taken from overhead, so there's no perspective like in that photo.
QuoteNow this image is ArMaP's NASAview that I simply increased the contrast I can still see the anomaly clear as day I clipped it and added the inverted clip Looks the same to me...
Sure it looks the same, I never said it didn't, I only disagree with your interpretation. :)