Just stumbled across this:
Schweinfurt - A Mystery Solved?
by
Andy Roberts
In 1990 I wrote an article entitled W.W.II Document Research - In Search of Foo-Fighters, which primarily dealt with the 'UFOs' allegedly seen in the 14th October 1943 Schweinfurt raid. [1] This has since been posted on the Project 1947 website [2] and now forms the background to the present article.
The tone of my 1990 piece was very sceptical of the case because, despite having gone to great lengths, I had been unable to track the source of the case down. The source was an alleged UK government document quoted in author Martin Caidin's Black Thursday, a book which dealt with the events of the bombing raid of Thursday 14th October 1943.[3]
Having done quite a bit of research into foo-fighters, and having a general interest in W.W.II, I have been quite obsessed by the story over the years. All avenues of enquiry seemed to lead nowhere, and in 1999 I went to the Public Records Office (PRO) at Kew and searched many files connected to the Schweinfurt raid. At that time I found nothing at all relating to Caidin's claims and this only strengthened my feelings it was a fabrication. However...
In July 2000 I spent another few of days at the PRO and this time hit pay-dirt. Besides finding several hitherto unseen references to what would later be termed 'foo-fighters', much new material on ghost rockets and 1950s UK government UFO research, I again went through all the available Schweinfurt related files and came across something of great relevance. But first here is how Martin Caidin reported the incident in Black Thursday.
"As the bombers of the 384th Group swung into the final bomb run after passing the Initial Point, the fighter attacks fell off. This point is vital, and pilots were queried extensively, as were other crew members, as to the position at that time of the German fighter planes. Every man interrogated was firm in his statement that "at the time there were no enemy aircraft above." At this moment the pilots and top turret gunners, as well as several crewmen in the Plexiglas noses of the bombers, reported a cluster of discs in the path of the 384th's formation and closing with the bombers. The startled exclamations focused attention on the phenomenon, and the crews talked back and forth, discussing and confirming the astonishing sight before them.
The discs in the cluster were agreed upon as being silver colored, about one inch thick and three inches in diameter. They were easily seen by the B-17 crewmen, gliding down slowly in a very uniform cluster.
And then the "impossible" happened. B-17 Number 026 closed rapidly with a cluster of discs; the pilot attempted to evade an imminent collision with the objects, but was unsuccessful in this manoeuvre. He reported at the intelligence debriefing that his "right wing went directly through a cluster with absolutely no effect on engines or plane surface."
The intelligence officers pressed their questioning, and the pilot stated further that one of the discs was heard to strike the tail assembly of his B-17, but that neither he nor any member of the crew heard or witnessed an explosion.
He further explained that about twenty feet from the discs the pilots sighted a mass of black debris of varying sizes in clusters of three by four feet.
The SECRET report added: "Also observed two other A/C flying through silver discs with no apparent damage. Observed discs and debris two other times but could not determine where it came from."
No further information on this baffling incident has been uncovered, with the exception that such discs were observed by pilots and crew members prior to, and after, Mission 115 of October 14, 1943.
Memorandum of October 24 1943, from Major E.R.T. Holmes, F.L.O., 1St Bombardment Division, Reference FLO/1BW/REP/126, to M.I. 15, War Office, Bombardment Division, London, S.W. (copy to Colonel E.W. Thompson, A-2, Pinetree)" [4]
Caidin's account of this event via the alleged UK document has existed in UFO legend for forty years without proof. Now I can reveal that the document exists and is almost as Caidin records it.
The document, which Caidin obviously based his account on, reads as follows. All spelling and punctuation is in the original. The file in which the document can be found is: AIR 40/464
At the top right of the document is a rubber stamp giving details of circulation to:
1. Col Kingman Douglas
2. A.I.3. ? (W/Cdr Smith)
3. A.I.2. ? (W/Cdr Heath) (Author note: the ? refers to a squiggle or letter I cannot decipher, although it could well be 'to'.
Also the background of the stamp on which the above was written says:
Received 17 Oct 1943
Copies sent to A.I.8 (USA)
Analysis
Presumably Caidin must have seen a copy of this document from one of the American recipients. The following points seem relevant:
I have tried to check the reference Caidin gives three times now at the PRO, once by using a professional researcher. It does not exist. However the AIR files were all re-numbered at some point prior to them being located at the PRO and it is possible the reference refers to the files' original designation.
It is also possible the reference pertains to the accompanying letter when it was sent to the USA. This is unlikely however, as the memo is stated to have been sent from one UK source to another and then on to the USA. The Rubber stamp clearly states it was received on 17 October, pre-dating Caidin's reference by seven days. But the sheer number of channels through which documents went could be the reason for this confusion, and now the original document has been located I don't think we need get hung up on the original reference any more.
I have found no record of most of the personnel listed. However a Squadron Leader Heath was involved in the UK's investigations of the Scandinavian 'ghost rockets' in 1946.
Besides the above, other than some possibly excusable authorial hype, Caidin has recorded the incident more or less as the document states.
Conclusion
At least we now know Caidin's reference exists! Besides that there is little to say really. The objects reported are intriguing but not completely mystifying. There were many types of flak being used by the Germans in W.W.II and several files in the PRO refer to coloured flak, flak which threw off unusual fragments, and so on. This explanation is made more likely by the fact that the 'F.L.O.' in Caidin's reference stands for 'Flak Liaison Officer', at least suggesting that the Air Ministry were treating it within a flak context.
The objects could also have been some kind of 'window' dropped by the Germans in an attempt to disrupt radar or radio communication among air crew. The explanation as to what the small objects were is now more of a task for the air historian than it is for the ufologist. What is clear from the original account is that the discs, whilst unusual, were clearly not any type of 'craft', under intelligent or purposeful control or dangerous to the air craft or crew.
In my opinion these objects do not belong in the category of sightings referred to as 'foo-fighters', both by their physical description and by their behaviour and characteristics. Although often lumped in with foo-fighter reports they are clearly different. This story has been a staple of UFO writers for the past three-four decades. Now we have further clarification and I believe that this particular mystery is more or less laid to rest. - © 2000 Andy Roberts
References
1. UFO Brigantia July 1990 - Return to article
2. http://www.project1947.com/arwwr.htm - Return to article
3. Caidin, Martin. Black Thursday, Dell 1960 - Return to article
4. ibid - Return to article
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If the Ufologists here have missed this thus far - check it out, great resource.
Interesting find, Sinny.
I found some info in Google cache about German WWII flak color -
Quote4 April 1943
Bomber Command Mission 49 - Paris / Renault Works
"Moderate and inaccurate flak over target: black, yellow and white bursts.
Crews reported new kind flak encountered: a red burst, then numerous smaller explosions in area surrounding original burst"
QuoteSHAEF1944
The following report on directional arrows fired by flak to guide Luftwaffe fighter planes appeared in Tactical and Technical Trends, No. 22, April 8, 1943.
FLAK DIRECTIONAL ARROWS TO GUIDE GERMAN FIGHTER PLANES
a. General
When Allied aircraft approach behind cloud layers or out of reach of antiaircraft batteries, the Germans have perfected a method of "skywriting" a red arrow of bursting shells to point out their approximate direction and height to German interceptors. Red flak bursts have been frequently reported by pilots, unaware of its purpose, who were flying over occupied territories by day. The German instructions for firing this type of indicator have recently come to hand.
Although such a pattern itself has not been reported by pilots, red marker-projectiles are fired to form an arrow measuring 3,500 to 3,850 yards long. The "shaft" consists of four or five bursts spaced at about 700 yards, while six bursts form the "point." The arrow is almost horizontal, aligned on a bearing from the gun position to the approaching aircraft, and at approximately their height. (This may explain why the pattern has not been reported.) The arrow can be formed in from 5 to 15 seconds, and in calm weather lasts 3 or 4 minutes. Red practice ammunition is usually fired, but HE is used when other ammunition is not available.
So there was indeed different flak explosion colors.
Quote from: WarToad on April 22, 2015, 06:54:19 PM
Interesting find, Sinny.
I found some info in Google cache about German WWII flak color -
So there was indeed different flak explosion colors.
Just when I thought I'd explored the whole of Ufology and hit the same dead end as many seem to meet, the universe threw me a bone or two. I have lots of other alternative leads that I haven't got round to fully exploring yet.
Wish I Borg. I can't read this stuff fast enough lol.
Could you possibly help me understand what is meant by 'flak' and how it is deployed?
Flak referred to the actual explosion of a shell from a large range of various anti-aircraft guns, especially in WWII. The larger 108mm guns could reach up to about 37,000 ft, the more common 88mm guns 32,000 ft, and there were smaller more mobile guns to shoot at lower attacking aircraft. Many of the shells to increase their effectiveness had a proximity fuse or timer fuse. Once they were "close enough" they'd just explode in a shower of shrapnel trying to take out engines, avionics, and men alike. Think a grenade the size of a watermelon. And shooting a dozen of them per gun per minute. It created a hailstorm of hot metal to deture effective (primarily) bombing runs.
Cities would be ringed by anti-aircraft guns. There was often no safe zones. It forced bombers to fly higher and bomb less effectively, or bomb lower but risk deadlier flak attacks. And it turned out the German 88mm guns made excellent anti-tank guns as well, much to the regret of many an allied tanker.
Thanks WarToad.
Radar chaff and similar could well have been tested by the Brits and Americans and might be responsible for some reports. Chaff is also responsible for the "angel hair" reports in Italy and other places.