Speaking about PLASMA thingies in Space...
And yawl KNOW that is my favoite topic :P
Lats year we saw NASA reveal that PORTALS are real, some short lived some open a long time. Their video even says that it has long been the dream of Sci Fi writers and now NASA proved they exits..
Well today we have a new report
PLASMA TUBES IN SPACE
(http://www.sciencealert.com/images/articles/PLasma-tubes_web2_1024.jpg)
I wonder if this is what the CRIITERS ride?
::)
Australian student confirms that giant plasma tubes are floating above Earth
This is big.
CHRIS PASH, BUSINESS INSIDER
2 JUN 2015
Astronomers have for the first time captured visual evidence of the existence of tubular plasma structures in the inner layers of the magnetosphere surrounding the Earth.
"For over 60 years, scientists believed these structures existed but by imaging them for the first time, we've provided visual evidence that they are really there," Cleo Loi of the ARC Centre of Excellence for All-sky Astrophysics (CAASTRO) and the School of Physics at the University of Sydney said.
http://www.sciencealert.com/australian-student-confirms-that-giant-plasma-tubes-are-floating-above-earth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymZEOihlIdU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymZEOihlIdU
I'll get back to you on this soon. I've decided to become an "expert" on this topic. I think the space shuttle has been used to study plasma phenomena and I need to update my knowledge before I get it horribly wrong. ;)
ETA: It might be worth looking at STS-75 and the Tether Optical Phenomena experiment (TOP).
Need to include the fact that NASA is trying to figure out how to get a space craft through the Allen Radiation Belt :P
The tether case was a good start Despite what the skeptics want you to believe the tether continued to collect plasma and GLOW like a fluorescent tube and continued a sustained arc until it moved into earths shadow
So the electron collection in earth orbit is one thing but the arcing was still connected to solar radiation
And before certain people start huffing and puffing :P that fluorescent tube effect came strait from NASA the LEO Charging report after the incident
I still need to find that NASA paper I will look through all my NASA doc tonight Sucks that their file names are numbers
Now then some people say NASA went to the Moon... yet today while searching the Van Allen belt info I mentioned above I found THIS
From NASA directly :P
NASA's Van Allen Probes Spot an Impenetrable Barrier in Space
http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/van-allen-probes-spot-impenetrable-barrier-in-space
Here is what I was looking for :P
I thought they had all this figured out?
NASA engineer admits they can't get past the Van Allen Belts (Just for you Gary Gorrell)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlXG0REiVzE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlXG0REiVzE
I find it very interresting that all data collected will be kept inside orion
and not sent back to earth from space, and risk losing all data if landing
does not go well. After all, do we not get much data from the rovers on
mars ? Maybe not, as it might just be sent from across the street !
rubicon
Pimander
Space Plasma Exploration by Active Radar
SPEAR
UK
http://www.ion.le.ac.uk/spear/
Very Interesting about the Plasma Tubes and that NASA even confirm them.
They look similar to what we believe the Magnetic flux lines that surround the Earth, only they may not fully surround the Earth.
With Ref to the Van Allen Belt & radiation effects that has been referred to as being a Major problem for I assume any Spacecraft as well as an Living Beings that may be within the Craft...
With Ref to Unmanned Craft... Its suggested that the Van Allen Radiation may be a problem to the Guidance & Computer Systems and electronics..
Assuming that the various space craft that we are aware about that have travelled either to Mars & Venus or the Probes that we sent to the Outer Planets or out further to the edges of our Solar System and beyond. They Must have solved the Van Allen Radiation effects for those various SpaceCraft designs.
I would assume also with the Apollo Programs.
With the New Orion Design. It could be that they have to still do testing on what will be possibly a much different design to previous older craft designs. They still refer to the importance of the new crafts radiation / heat shield design.
What I am not sure about however is how that Van Allen Radiation effects Living beings or us Humans..
and whether or not that the likes of various radiation shields that they may claim to have designed did prevent the radiation from causing harmful effects to living things.
QuoteNeed to include the fact that NASA is trying to figure out how to get a space craft through the Allen Radiation Belt :P
Quote from: zorgon on June 03, 2015, 08:48:00 PM
Now then some people say NASA went to the Moon... yet today while searching the Van Allen belt info I mentioned above I found THIS
From NASA directly :P
NASA's Van Allen Probes Spot an Impenetrable Barrier in Space
http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/van-allen-probes-spot-impenetrable-barrier-in-space
I don't understand it, aren't they talking about the van Allen belts having "a near impenetrable barrier" against fast electrons? ???
Is that unexpected? ???
Quote from: zorgon on June 03, 2015, 08:54:29 PM
Here is what I was looking for :P
I thought they had all this figured out?
For the new electronics using in "the guiding systems, onboard computers or other electronics on Orion", no.
Modern electronics are much more sensitive to radiation than 1960s (or even 1980s) electronics.
Quote from: ArMaP on June 04, 2015, 12:26:05 AM
Modern electronics are much more sensitive to radiation than 1960s (or even 1980s) electronics.
The problem with THAT theory is that since the 60's the Military has been making electronics EMP roof... and since NASA is Military :P I don't see why they would have an issue
Those UFO's that shut down that 60's Nuke plant It was there EM field that triggered the old sensors which resulted in a cascade event that shut down the system. Whether it was an Alien spaceship, a CRITTER snooping around for a meal or ball lightning... the same thing would happen
So the Military wanted this never to happen again
At Kirtland AFB they built a huge wooden trestle...
(http://www.vcpreservation.com/images/HP-4.jpg)
They would park bombers on it them bombard it with all they could.. radiation, EMP, etc to see if they could fry the electronics
So no I DO NOT BUY that story :P We have come a long way on EMP and radiation shielding
Just not for the cardboard models used on Apollo :O
There is NO WAY that this cardboard spacecraft EVER took anyone to the Moon and back :P
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Apollo_Fake/0a985c20.jpg)
Quote from: zorgon on June 04, 2015, 01:24:38 AM
The problem with THAT theory is that since the 60's the Military has been making electronics EMP roof... and since NASA is Military :P I don't see why they would have an issue
The radiation from an EMP is not the same thing as high energy particles, a high energy particle hitting a modern chip (with much smaller transistors packed much closer to each other) may create soft error (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_error#Cosmic_rays_creating_energetic_neutrons_and_protons).
But NASA do NOT need a large amount of shielding to only shield a microchip. No need to shield the entire craft just for a few microchips. It is easy just to shield some circuit boards. Even NASA are not that stupid!
NASA were definitely researching optical phenomena associated with tethered satellites and the ionosphere (therefore probably plasma phenomena). I don't understand any point denying that NASA were interested and they did kit the Shuttle to specifically look at this. I sense that something is being hushed up.
Quote from: ArMaP on June 04, 2015, 09:25:36 AM
The radiation from an EMP is not the same thing as high energy particles, a high energy particle hitting a modern chip (with much smaller transistors packed much closer to each other) may create
Yes but they were testing atomic bomb radiation to because they needed to be sure they could fly if war broke out
This from Facebook
Mark Nelson: That's true as I had a catalog of some of the parts a while back. More significantly though is they learned how to radiation harden chips which NASA uses.
Quote from: zorgon on June 04, 2015, 11:11:19 AM
Yes but they were testing atomic bomb radiation to because they needed to be sure they could fly if war broke out
At Kirtland AFB? ???
Did they test with cosmic rays?
QuoteMark Nelson: That's true as I had a catalog of some of the parts a while back. More significantly though is they learned how to radiation harden chips which NASA uses.
It would help to know what that Mark Nelson person was answering to, that way we only know that he was saying that something was true. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on June 04, 2015, 09:06:30 PM
At Kirtland AFB? ???
Did they test with cosmic rays?
This was long ago.... I will see if I can get you the details... Cosmin rays? not likely :P Gamma radiation? most assuredly Do not forget that Kirtland AFB is the home of the DEW Directorate DEW = Directed Energy Weapons
It is also home to one of the three "Space Lasers" One in Hawaii the other in White Sands.
White Sands also had the particle beam prototype in 1972
Quote from: ArMaP on June 04, 2015, 09:06:30 PM
It would help to know what that Mark Nelson person was answering to, that way we only know that he was saying that something was true. :)
Mark was replying to the issue of NASA chips LOL He confirmed NASA has access to those radiation hardened chips, hence the
"More significantly though is they learned how to radiation harden chips which NASA uses."
That should have been pretty obvious as it is in clear English
Quote from: zorgon on June 04, 2015, 11:59:21 PM
Mark was replying to the issue of NASA chips LOL He confirmed NASA has access to those radiation hardened chips, hence the
"More significantly though is they learned how to radiation harden chips which NASA uses."
That should have been pretty obvious as it is in clear English
I know they have radiation hardened chips, some days ago I posted about Curiosity's computer on another forum, and the processor is a RAD750 from BAE Systems (http://www.baesystems.com/our-company-rzz/our-businesses/electronic-systems/product-sites/space-products-and-processing/processors?_afrLoop=1734355804888000&_afrWindowMode=0&_afrWindowId=null#!%40%40%3F_afrWindowId%3Dnull%26_afrLoop%3D1734355804888000%26_afrWindowMode%3D0%26_adf.ctrl-state%3D78cdy1wsn_73), a radiation hardened version of the PowerPC 750 chip.
PS: sometimes, clear English is what confuses me the most. ;D
Quote from: ArMaP on June 05, 2015, 12:58:52 AM
PS: sometimes, clear English is what confuses me the most. ;D
Meu português é oxidado
Quote from: Pimander on June 03, 2015, 07:21:12 PM
I'll get back to you on this soon. I've decided to become an "expert" on this topic.
Well Herr Expert to Be....
Put it together and I will copy it to the web
I have Russian plasma experiment in space that shows a duble helix forms
I have the LEO Charging documents that show how the tether maintained a continuous arc and glowed like a fluorescent tube until it went into shadow (Direct from NASA :P)
Since the tether is collecting electrons what happens if an astronaut is in a space walk and touches the ship? Perhaps a
ZZAPPPPP enough to fry him? Hmmmmm I wonder
What happens when the Shuttle approaches the ISS... is there a giant spark that leaps out between the ships? Hmmm well there would be right?
ZZZAPPPPNASA says so :P
Quote from: zorgon on June 05, 2015, 02:15:06 AM
Meu português é oxidado
I suppose that should have been "O meu português está enferrujado". :)
Quote from: zorgon on June 05, 2015, 04:32:09 AM
Well Herr Expert to Be....
Put it together and I will copy it to the web
I have Russian plasma experiment in space that shows a duble helix forms
I have the LEO Charging documents that show how the tether maintained a continuous arc and glowed like a fluorescent tube until it went into shadow (Direct from NASA :P)
Since the tether is collecting electrons what happens if an astronaut is in a space walk and touches the ship? Perhaps a ZZAPPPPP enough to fry him? Hmmmmm I wonder
What happens when the Shuttle approaches the ISS... is there a giant spark that leaps out between the ships? Hmmm well there would be right? ZZZAPPPP
NASA says so :P
I'm off cycling for the weekend. I'll be chasing you for that information Monday.