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Total Emergency Alert: Elite Now Evacuating.

Alex Jones update...

He has covered a lot recently about the state of the Economy and threats of Martial Law and Possible WW3..and a possible Major Market Crash that could occur any time..He is suggesting that some of the Elites are getting out of the USA...

and shows a lot of Newpaper and internet Articles that suggest that things are looking seriously concerning right now !

My thoughts on a possible Market crash for this year  based upon my own Stock market Cycle timing analysis...This is based upon the Dow Jones Index.

With the Dow making recent highs last week.
I think its possible we may have another high made this week...and the start of a decline from between 22nd June this week to end of the Month...
maybe down to between July 4th to 9th.

(These Cycle Dates often will find turns in the Market...but also they can Inverse...ie find say a high instead of an expected low. Trying to determine the turn dates is hard.. but its even harder to say if the dates will be highs or lows... although for some time periods.. I can often pick them out or estimate them reasonably well.)

or if not. and the market holds up..maybe after the US July 4th Holiday.

14th and 27/28th July may see high or low pivots..

and  a decline to either August 6th (expected if Market still declines after July 9th) or August 30th.

I think we should see a High this year around
Sept 3rd to 9th. or around Sept 21st..or 30th.

This was roughly the same dates that occurred at the top of the 1929 stock Market Crash.

Oct 4th to 10th were other high pivot days before the start of the steeper large decline started.

I am expecting the Dow to hit a high somewhere inbetween 18400/18550  to 18880.

The Dows present all time high is about 18364 made on May 19th 2015.

This shows a chart for the Dow..

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=djia&insttype=&freq=1&show=&time=8

Then a decline into  4th or 21st to 28th near end of December or into early January 2016.

If the market fails to fall below last years 15th Oct 2014 low of about 15850...

I would think we will see another rally at least into 2016 maybe to new highs..


Longer term...I did think we may see the Dow remain upwards into 2019.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnGl8Nz0oLE

He is even indicating that China as well as Russia maybe be preparing for War against the USA.

Lets hope that its just some sort of Hoax.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6RrqZpkJ3s

So basically this 'emergency alert' is the same alert we have been on for over four decades haha (not laughing at u astro)

Total Emergency Alert: Elite Now Evacuating.

Did he mention how he knows this?
Didn't he say this before a long time ago?

I still feel everything points to a known disaster such as a large object from space being planned for if elete actually ever do disappear somewhere it is really major.

IF a big THING from space is coming to wipe us out there will be no place for the Elite to hide

IF Chemtrails are poising our air, how are the Elite avoiding breathing it>

What I have seen in the news is that the Elite have lost confidence in America and are buying cheap awesome land in foreign countries were the dollar still buys a lot and transferring their money to other offshore banks.  This is because they don't trust the future here from a monetary point  and Swiss banks are no longer a safe haven... the US just closes down accounts and takes the money

Bush family has been buying land in Paraguay, Brazil and Argentina...

Halliburton has move corporate offices to Dubai...

Meanwhile the Chinese are buying up American foreclosures (and Chase Manhattan Plaza) for pennies on the dollar

I would join them  :P Argentina is not bad  I can still dig up dinosaurs there... but I am too old to make a move like that. I considered Australia... but things are too expensive over there

So I will have to ride it out here in Las Vegas

So I look outside... nice sunny day with a light cloud cover and breeze  (yay!!!) temp at 105F  No riots in the streets... no tanks rolling through town... cheap food at awesome buffets (50% of for locals) and the 99cent store have awesome gourmet food for a buck

These oatmeals go for $2.50   I get em 3/$1.00 :P

(http://www.minimus.biz/images/F25-2609311-6200bg.jpg)

Jack's Links Pepperoni 5ounce (beef or turkey)  Walmart price $5.98   Just picked up a case of 30 at $1.00 each

(http://i5.walmartimages.com/dfw/dce07b8c-1728/k2-_27596ee5-936b-49e5-bfb6-862aa52abf83.v1.jpg)

:P

Life is good. all quiet outside, not even a Mexican gang stirring these days and the pantry is full

So keep your DOOM PORN :P   

If an asteroid is coming (and it will eventually :P  not much we can do about it so why worry> Where ya gonna run to?

::)

I posted this as I thought that it may have some connection to the Jade Helm posts that Thor has posted as well as what seems a lot of internet conspiracy that something big is going to happen this year.

After so much we have seen said either by the likes of Alex Jones or other conspiracist indicating so many things..as many a thing has not occurred as yet...and hopefully they wont ! ... maybe the thoughts of it all have just become a bit less concerning or tiresome..

Having said that, it may just be that this may appear to become the case for many who have observed this sort of stuff for a few years... and maybe we start to disbelieve and not take it as seriously....

then all of a sudden something big may happen unexpected.

But no doubt if anything does, the majority of us may not be able to do much about it anyway.

So ... now being so made aware of so much potentially disturbing information and possibilities..

unless we can do something about things if they happen..

Maybe we should just try to get back to normal life and try to enjoy what we can...

With regards to Life ...The way I see things IMO at the moment...It sucks !...if one wanted to move abroad or go elsewhere.

It seems as one gets older... one just sees more and more restrictions and dangers...and little real freedoms..

The Living Costs involved  in the 1st world are made extortionate  in terms of being able to obtain a reasonable property to live in ....Unless one is bright today with good qualifications and grounding..One has limited opportunities to make a decent living.

Yes there seems few reasonable places that one can move to that would be affordable if one wanted to move abroad...Without Money...Life does become unsatisfying if one wants the good life and are not able to afford things to get what ones aims maybe.

One can however live the simple life and still have some satisfactions. its just that to make ones dreams happen seems to have too many restrictions of them at this present time.

Seems on the internet "Something Big" is going to happen every few months... it never does but no worries  someone will find the next "Something Big" soon enough

Eventually law of averages says "Something Big" will happen (sh!t happens is a universal law :P )

Then all the people who said "Something Big" is going to happen will thump their chest and say "See? Told you "Something Big" is going to happen

When "Something Big"  does NOT happen this time, all the New Age Light Workers will pat themselves on the back and say "See we did Light Work Magic and stopped "Something Big"  from happening, aren't we SPECIAL?"

Got the picture?

8)

Quote from: astr0144 on June 22, 2015, 04:00:18 AM

Maybe we should just try to get back to normal life and try to enjoy what we can...

Now THERE is an awesome thought :D

QuoteWith regards to Life ...The way I see things IMO at the moment...It sucks !...if one wanted to move abroad or go elsewhere.
It seems as one gets older... one just sees more and more restrictions and dangers...and little real freedoms..

Well I got old  my legs are rotting and the wife moved out (yay!! :P )  but I have a roof over my head and can just manage the bills. Pantry has a good years supply of food and weapons locker is stocked. Sold some stuff from a yard sale and that got me tents a trailer and a vehicle so life is good :P

I just need to stop wasting time posting and get serious about selling And teaching people who to save a buck, make a buck and fix bad credit

QuoteThe Living Costs involved  in the 1st world are made extortionate  in terms of being able to obtain a reasonable property to live in ....Unless one is bright today with good qualifications and grounding..One has limited opportunities to make a decent living.

Well it depends on many things 

Here is an example in Las Vegas 

Mobile home for sale, movíng sometime the begining of August. nice are calm never had issues security on the village day and night, year model made in 1978 titán 24 by 40ft 3 bebedor ok 2bath got the certificate of owenership any questions call .....

Price? $5,500.00

(http://images.craigslist.org/00202_4lYVtzs9X52_600x450.jpg)

Bonanza and Nellis  halfway between my palace and Johns  :D    Lots of deals like that all over the USA  (if I had $6K spare cash I would grab it for a rental :P)

QuoteYes there seems few reasonable places that one can move to that would be affordable if one wanted to move abroad...Without Money...Life does become unsatisfying if one wants the good life and are not able to afford things to get what ones aims maybe.

Money is relatively easy to get... I have shown people how... but I can only show, I cannot make them go and do it. That double wide house above is a 3 bedroom house. Even if you stayed temporarily you can always rent it later and move up

Here is a lot approved for motor home   $1995 ...1.20 ACRES. ....BY OWNER..Golden Valley (GOLDEN VALLEY)

Want to start a retreat? 80 acres for $30K

Remote Beauty - Windmill Ranch - 80.2 Acres - $29,995.00 (AQUARUIS MOUNTAIN RANGE)

(http://images.craigslist.org/00h0h_50S1UhVOpSQ_600x450.jpg)

These were just a quick glance at private sales (no agents) on Criagslist :P

QuoteOne can however live the simple life and still have some satisfactions. its just that to make ones dreams happen seems to have too many restrictions of them at this present time.

About that... I have a dream a BIG ONE LOL  One that would cost $200 million dollars to build

I do not have 200 mil... but that does not matter because all I need to get the 200 mil is a measly 10 million

8)

I do not have 10 million :P BUT what I do have is a PLAN to get it... Based on that plan I was given a piece of paper that says I can have the 200 mil

What I do NOT have anymore is a team of serious volunteers to make it happen

The problem with the internet is everyone is scattered around the world... We cannot just get together for a meeting and build a dream... so end result is we get nothing done

How much money do YOU need?  How much money do YOU have?  If you have none to spare then you cannot dream big to start right?  Well not true.... all you need is a good idea :D

But small works too.  My sister's hubby lost a high paid job... she was in danger of loosing the house a few years back...  Today she just paid off that house....

Remember I said sh!t happens is a universal law? Works for both good sh!t as well as bad sh!t :P

Maybe I should move to the South West USA !

That's one thing that I like about Parts the USA. (as long as things do not get or go like as the conspiracist describe.)

is that in the South West ... you can live in those mobile type homes and generally not worry about being cold...I imagine your heating bills are very low over the year..

Those are reasonable prices to at least have a roof over your head and somewhere to keep ones things.

We have mainly Brick and Mortar homes in the UK
and generally the House prices are quite high all over...or were not so long ago.

One could possibly obtain a similar type mobile home...but many who do not have a brick home live in Caravans...mobile or static ones. That's not so bad in mild years or summer..but in cold years...or winter.. its not very comfortable. and you cannot store that much compared to what Id call a standard normal type house.

One can buy 2nd hand Mobiles or caravans..at reasonable prices. but maybe not as cheap or as good a deal as you have shown in your posts.

My dream used to be to not have  to be restricted to one permanent residence and to be able to travel to other parts of the World when I want and stay as long as I want rather than settle in one place.

Using the Internet to make my Income. ! and have no job at any specific company..where I am held 40 hrs a week.

There are many I know who do make a good living via the internet and travel the world...its now a very real possibility...but one has to have either a good idea or business that works on the net. and be able to run it...Running it may only be applicable to certain people, like normal businesses in general and that may be the issue.

If one had huge money maybe to buy several homes..not always expensive ones... but reasonable places in locations that I like. so that I can have the main things that I would need stored.

But as I have got older... This is now less appealing and less likely.  :(

I recall you mentioning about some Big Business idea that you had some time back.

I was not sure if you had managed to continue with it or had some issues that restricted you.

such as obtaining the persons you need for eg.

Generally I suspect it depends upon how you decide to go about it or if you are fortunate enough to have things work out.. such as having suitable people you know in your own area who you trust and have the right abilities and would or could work the project with you. Depending upon their commitments..

Otherwise you may require money to recruit certain people and pay them.. but the length of the project may determine if you can keep up payments etc.

Also being able to convince the persons that it is likely to work..

sometimes we can have some good ideas... but others may see obstacles we cannot vision.

It maybe down to being lucky to getting the right people.

and being able to manage it..

I think you have a lot more contacts and associate than many and can deal with many things.. that you could manage such projects.. but you may have some issues if you have certain health issues.

Life can be a bitch... sometimes we gain one thing and loose another...and one cancels the other out.

When one looks back sometimes we can see how one does need some luck for things to fall in place at the right time. and while we have our health and mental abilities at the time to persue them.

QuoteAbout that... I have a dream a BIG ONE LOL  One that would cost $200 million dollars to build

I do not have 200 mil... but that does not matter because all I need to get the 200 mil is a measly 10 million

8)

I do not have 10 million :P BUT what I do have is a PLAN to get it... Based on that plan I was given a piece of paper that says I can have the 200 mil

What I do NOT have anymore is a team of serious volunteers to make it happen

The problem with the internet is everyone is scattered around the world... We cannot just get together for a meeting and build a dream... so end result is we get nothing done

Yes, I think that I get the Picture..

Its like a never ending story !..

Always something potential new on the horizon to keep Conspiracist with something to offer to their followers. or for doubters to comment on.

but that's part of the story of "LIFE" that most of us will always have some interest in at one time or another I suspect and take one side or the other.

Maybe until we get wary or wise to certain things and may try to look at Life differently.

QuoteWhen "Something Big"  does NOT happen this time, all the New Age Light Workers will pat themselves on the back and say "See we did Light Work Magic and stopped "Something Big"  from happening, aren't we SPECIAL?"

Got the picture?

8)

I do think some of this stuff is happening, but I don't believe it's 'ramping up' in the way that Jones et al all put it.

I refer back to The Conspiracy Against the Dollar and the deeper politics around these issue's... Deep politics is the heart of all this, everything else is a symptom.

That is probably one good reason.

He refers to them wanting to possibly bring in either a one world currency or to ban cash altogether.

Assuming its another way for the to have more control over the mass population.

That they may say helps them manage the economy better.

With the Internet and Smart Phones and potential future of Chipping... I would assume that is probably the way things will eventually go.

And to be honest I am sorry to say that I don't really see much way to avoid it unless the masses rebel against it.

QuoteI refer back to The Conspiracy Against the Dollar and the deeper politics around these issue's... Deep politics is the heart of all this, everything else is a symptom. /quote]

hey Astro
didn't read the whole thread..sorry just reacting to the title

many questions

who are considered the elite  ?  what person gets to decide this?

where are they going  ?

if they require other humans for workers..where will they get them?
are they going to save themselves only to have to work later?  (lol)


the middle class may be disappearing but humans are very resourceful
my money's not on the "elite"  whoever they are

Hi Space Otter.

Video is only 12 mins..

Its easier for you  to watch and for me to try to explain to get a better idea about it..

but I will add in some points..

I suspect he refers to those in power..Govt..Miltary and business leaders for eg or those who are rich to be the Elites

He only seems to  refer to 3 or 4 Elites from the USA that he knows. But he says that they refer to several others that they know.

He says they are leaving for countries like New Zealand, the Cook Islands and Luxembourg.

He also says ALL Billionaires in Israel have left to go elsewhere .

He refers that the Elites are running to the Hills and Bunkers... make of that what you will !

If this was serious, such as WW3...or an space object collision.. I don't think they would be thinking about any workers...but may do so if it is some other reasons...Your guess on that is as good as mine.

He refers to Politcians like Ron Paul suggesting that the stock market may plummet any time.

and ref to Govts having runs on central Banks for Gold.... That I think happened in the 2007 crash when there was huge demand for Gold...

He says Texas wants its Gold from New York.

Germany wants its gold back from the USA and they wont give it to them..

Russia wants its gold back from them also..

China is pulling its gold out of the USA.

Not sure how these countries operate when it comes to lending their Gold or putting it direct into the USA.. or how much they hold onto in their own countries.

so if that is true... there may well be a crisis of some sort rising...
 

There is ref to the Greeks and a UK article saying to  hold onto Cash as bank crisis looms and the elites wanting to ban cash or bring in one world currency.

There is News articles referring to Super wealthy preparing bug out locations.

He also seems to be suggesting as I see it .. that he initially did not seem to take Jade Helm that serious...but now he seems much more concerned..and makes out about that  they now know which states wont go along with Martial Law..

Maybe suggesting that they may be more targeted and persuaded to do so, if that is the Elites agenda.

I suppose if this is all taking place. as he describes.all of a sudden potentially something very serious could be building up to a major crisis.


Having said all that.. it could still be that A.J is doing a Hollywood type interview and maybe over acting in trying to convince us  :)

He refers to various other issues like Middle east crisis.. War with Russia ...race wars being created.

and Creating a World Govt.

One can only make ones own judgement!

I am not saying that I fully agree with him..
but many things are certainly possible.

Id be surprised if we have a Major stock market crash this year..maybe more of a few weeks decline...

Quote from: astr0144 on June 22, 2015, 05:38:32 AM
Maybe I should move to the South West USA

Lots of room out here LOL  It's not really a desert. Las Vegas means "The meadows"  Like an oasis... but the Mojave desert has a lot of life

QuoteThat's one thing that I like about Parts the USA. (as long as things do not get or go like as the conspiracist describe.)

Most of the problems are in the Eastern states where the black vs white issue is being stirred up...  we are not seeing sh!t like that on the west coast yet and we have just as many blacks and lots of hispanics... so lets hope it stays on the east coast :P

Out here in Nevada we are surrounded by the top military bases... they are here because it is hard for any enemy to get here :P

But I can drive 30 minutes in any direction from my house and be so isolated it looks like the planet is deserted  LITERALLY

People who have never been out here are shocked at the hundreds of thousand miles of vacancy

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Quoteis that in the South West ... you can live in those mobile type homes and generally not worry about being cold...I imagine your heating bills are very low over the year..

True that  We do get winter, we get a lot of snow in the mountains This is a good idea  LOL Warm in the valley but 20 minutes drive to the snow

(http://www.joetheprogrammer.net/images/snow_vegas_mountains_121708.jpg)

QuoteThose are reasonable prices to at least have a roof over your head and somewhere to keep ones things.

If you are not picky where you live ie if your income is based from online sales, you can find cheap homes

My heating bill is practically ZERO (I do get lazy sometimes and turn on the heat)   Got this beauty from John's mine cabin   

(http://antiquestoves.net/dir/images/stove_images/1297_1_large.jpg)

QuoteOne could possibly obtain a similar type mobile home...but many who do not have a brick home live in Caravans...mobile or static ones. That's not so bad in mild years or summer..but in cold years...or winter.. its not very comfortable. and you cannot store that much compared to what Id call a standard normal type house.

One can buy 2nd hand Mobiles or caravans..at reasonable prices. but maybe not as cheap or as good a deal as you have shown in your posts.

What we call 'mobile homes' here are actually potable houses  They are pretty well planted to stay put but can be relocated.  There are however many retired folkes who sold their house and just live in RV Trailers so they can drive across the west, staying at parks. I hear they do this in Australia too

You can then live almost anywhere :D

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Yes they are cheaper out here  but then we have millions of them for sale and the bigger ones are extremely comfortable. Trailer parks are cheap rent  but you have freedom to move when you want to

Don't forget that the UK is about the size of just one state

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QuoteUsing the Internet to make my Income. ! and have no job at any specific company..where I am held 40 hrs a week.

That is what I do now... use the internet to make a living. Only I get lazy  LOL I need to focus on sales more so I can get my buffer back  Being on the edge is bad because when the AC goes out your screwed :P

QuoteThere are many I know who do make a good living via the internet and travel the world...its now a very real possibility...but one has to have either a good idea or business that works on the net. and be able to run it...Running it may only be applicable to certain people, like normal businesses in general and that may be the issue.

Well SELLING online is the way to start  You DO NOT need a business.  You can sell on EBAY and ETSY. The UK is full of old antiques and trinkets.  Here is an example

This is Ebay UK 

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/L0AAAOSwEK9UKV~H/$_57.JPG)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Antique-Hipolito-Brass-Camping-Stove-Original-Tin-with-Scouting-Design-/351427376958

If you have transportation and can look for stuff in old shops etc (do you guys have yard sales?)  buy cheap  list on line and wait for it to sell.   I do not use the auction pricing  I set my price with the 30 day buy it now with 'make an offer' listing.  I can then preset an offer I will automatically accept or refuse  or leave that open.

I look online for similar prices and make mine lower...  If it doesn't sell I will drop price

Here is my EBAY store (I had 650 items on it but they expire after 30 days so I need to relist them. I always wait for the free listing offers so it costs me nothing to list them) http://stores.ebay.com/Land-of-Legends-Gallery

You find stuff post it and wait for the money  Post Office picks up at the door

QuoteIf one had huge money maybe to buy several homes..not always expensive ones... but reasonable places in locations that I like. so that I can have the main things that I would need stored.

Over here people will buy a fixer upper house.... They get it cheap (tax sales) and move in. Live in it a few months while they do the repairs  then list it on the market. When it sells they do it again. In 5 years you can flip many properties

But yeah as you get older that option is not so appealing

But online sales of STUFF  there is no limit... All you need is a computer to do the RESEARCH on what sells and what has value

Example Old hardware from damaged trash bin furniture   I spot an old dresser on trash days... it is on the curb waiting for the trash man... It is beyond repair...

I toss it in my trailer... 20 minutes later the dresser is cut up firewood  (free energy :P)

HOWEVER  the old wood screws  and the drawer handles  have VALUE   I sold a small handful of old rusty wood screws for $7.99 on Etsy  People buy them to restore antiques

The drawer handles generally sell for $8.50 a pair  (I keep it at that range)

This is my Etsy shop (needs updating too)  Etsy you list an item for .20 cents and it stays active for four months

https://www.etsy.com/shop/PegasusRC

All this stuff we find at Yard Sales and thrift stores.  The only problem I have is we find so much stuff we cannot sell it fast enough  :P I spent $52.00 last Wednesday (Thrift stores have 30% off senior discount on wed)   One of the items was a designer jacket brand new with tags that had the origianl price tag on it  I paid $19,99 (less discount) the tag was $108.00   I will easily get $50.00 on that from Ebay.  I could get more but it is better to stay low and move it

$9.99 Toy bear set yielded $250.00   but it is FUN looking for deals and treasures. We tend to keep the really good finds for ourselves. Those never lose value so are an investment for the future

I just bought a meteorite from a dealer in Ireland... Got lucky and no one else bidding  Also got a set of old castle skeleton keys  from the Isle of Skye

There is STUFF all over the world

You can go to the dollar stores  but certain items for a buck  then resell them on Ebay for a good profit

These for example

(https://img0.etsystatic.com/059/0/7299035/il_570xN.697515420_lpt1.jpg)

Dollar stores get limited lots of good stuff in  Once it is gone they never get more...  So those bottles $1.00 each   Sold 3 sets so far at $28.50 a set.  It takes time  but I have time  Just need to waste less posting :P

I will have to take some time to look at your last two posts.... I have considered Ebay in the past..
But I had quite a few other ideas come along that side tracked me many a time..and one got spoiled for choice in trying to determine what may be the better option.

Then unfortunately.. while still being overwhelmed with ideas...Some of the earlier ones that I had considered at the time.. dried up and no longer worked as they did... That along with some Major Life issues getting in the way as distractions..sometimes one missed the boat.

Some of the ideas I had looked into a few years ago involved in selling INFORMATION Products...

So having something like a Ebook or CD / DVD that had some unique info on them that people wanted...  then setting up websites and promoting the websites...

That's how many a person has made their fortune quickly on the internet with very easy and limited complications... But this was when it was easy to get  cheap advertising on a reasonable scale..

That I thought was a great business model..

But over time it became flooded...with maybe too many doing the same thing...and it became harder and required more new ideas and approaches to the earlier days.

In the Ideal world... say you had a great idea of something that you could create on a ebook or dvd or on a website that a downloadable products can be  obtained from after customers make payment for them. ..

and have a salesletter created to sell that product on the website with payment buttons so people could pay online...

That could almost be an ultimate business..

all you need do is promote it with ads each day..

You can even pay others to do it for you...

Thats the sort of Biz I was looking for..so that you do not have to keep looking for new stuff to sell like with ebay..

One guy I know had a special set of 22 dvds on a topic and sold them at £500 a time..

I seen him  make a Million in 2 yrs...

IT cost him about £1000/£2000 for a licence to own the product... and his abilities or expence to have a website and salesletter created..that may have been say £3000 to £5000.

He then used google ad words (Small ads on googles search engine under a specific related topic) when they were costing pennies to advertise.

This can still work, but there now much more competition. Unfortunately adwords cost much more  than they did say 5 to 8 yrs ago when he did it.

but it was an ideal biz that worked really well for him and hes travelled the world...

It was made out as anyone could do it.. and maybe that could be so... But there was quite a lot of a learning curve behind it... and skills required to learn effectively...

He was lucky in the way that he has his girlfriend  and Brother help him..and it turned out he was much cleverer than he initially made out...ie it was sold as if he was an average Joe who set up the biz... but he turned out to be university educated and a teacher status. so he was misleading people on his salesletter that he was someone who had been well in debt and had only had limited education..to sell his ideas to the people who visited his website to consider purchasing his products..

it was quite crafty how he went about it.

but that was a ultimate dream business.

The guy who sold him the idea made over £50 Million in 10 yrs..

Today many advice one to have a mentor or coach to help them learn and set up such businesses..and that is probably a good idea... but they can be expensive..and there is never any guarantee.

Oh Astro... I am so sorry to have misled you into thinking I cared one wit what aj has to say  - ever
I was being facetious
  aj only yells about what horror is next and how wonderful he is  for sharing
the only question about his shows are who is pulling the strings for the current one

well an maybe how much he is getting for it..

sigh

Quote from: astr0144 on June 22, 2015, 08:52:01 PM
But I had quite a few other ideas come along that side tracked me many a time..and one got spoiled for choice in trying to determine what may be the better option.

The official term for that is PROCRASTINATION  :P

Quote from: astr0144 on June 22, 2015, 08:52:01 PMSo having something like a Ebook or CD / DVD that had some unique info on them that people wanted...  then setting up websites and promoting the websites...

ETSY is limited to Vintage, Supplies, Hand Crafted items like Art etc

HOWEVER they do have a category for digital works  So you can sell Ebooks and other digital files on Etsy

I bought a collection of old Rosicrucian papers on a CD at Ebay  Home made but the material is not copyrighted so it is legal to collect and sell  Paid 28.95 for it because I needed one file on that

I did suspect that was your motive  :)

I understand that after having now observed A.J for sometime now that ones view of him may have altered and maybe rightly so.

On a positive side...in my view.. at least he has made me aware of certain things through out his time that I would never have become aware about if I had not looked at his videos.

Again maybe I would have been better of not seeing them or wasting time thinking about or becoming concerned about what he preaches.  ???

Quote from: space otter on June 22, 2015, 09:12:17 PM

Oh Astro... I am so sorry to have misled you into thinking I cared one wit what aj has to say  - ever
I was being facetious
  aj only yells about what horror is next and how wonderful he is  for sharing
the only question about his shows are who is pulling the strings for the current one

well an maybe how much he is getting for it..

sigh

It is quite an interesting location Vegas being between Lake Mead and the surrounding Mountains inc Mt Charleston Range... as well as the NTS / Nellis areas North of it.

I would have been tempted to consider Las Vegas a few yrs ago when I really wanted to know more about Area 51...but having spent so much time researching what we have done on PRC.. it no longer has the same appeal....

The expectations of finding more out about Aliens or UFOs has eroded over time to what it had once had been...unfortunately. Otherwise I would have really liked the idea of touring around that area in more detail.

Bob Lazar's story may still be true to keep that idea alive... but its not like it once was in the same way.

I don't think its easy to get in the USA today if you want to emigrate like it once was...maybe if I was an immigrant from surrounding countries..otherwise one has to apply through the channels..and I think they only allow so many in at set times and maybe only those with certain job skills that they require.

QuoteLots of room out here LOL  It's not really a desert. Las Vegas means "The meadows"  Like an oasis... but the Mojave desert has a lot of life

That is good to know that it is calm..and maybe mainly East Coast. I thought maybe LA could be also on the West Coast.

QuoteMost of the problems are in the Eastern states where the black vs white issue is being stirred up...  we are not seeing sh!t like that on the west coast yet and we have just as many blacks and lots of hispanics... so lets hope it stays on the east coast :P

Yes it is amazing how much land you have surrounding many of the South West Cities like Vegas.  One would think they could find some land and build ones own cabin .maybe on the edges of the desert.(If they could find materials)

I suspect the Govt / authorities don't easy allow anyone to set up house even on the desert  :-\

QuoteBut I can drive 30 minutes in any direction from my house and be so isolated it looks like the planet is deserted  LITERALLY

People who have never been out here are shocked at the hundreds of thousand miles of vacancy

Cooler Temp in the Winter mainly in Dec / Jan I believe between 50 to 60 degrees..rather than over 100 in July.

QuoteTrue that  We do get winter, we get a lot of snow in the mountains This is a good idea  LOL Warm in the valley but 20 minutes drive to the snow

That is good if generally these Homes are safe and secure..and cheaper and plenty of them to get good deals...Maybe could do with some of them being sent to UK where is some areas Housing is short.. and even wooden homes are better than nothing.

so many people cant afford or find homes in the UK and have to rent.  :( :(  its scandalous IMO.

QuoteWhat we call 'mobile homes' here are actually potable houses  They are pretty well planted to stay put but can be relocated.  There are however many retired folkes who sold their house and just live in RV Trailers so they can drive across the west, staying at parks. I hear they do this in Australia too

QuoteYes they are cheaper out here  but then we have millions of them for sale and the bigger ones are extremely comfortable. Trailer parks are cheap rent  but you have freedom to move when you want to

How did you do that ?  Place the UK over the USA Map ?  was it a find or did you use photoshop or something !  ???

QuoteDon't forget that the UK is about the size of just one state

The other things about considering moving to the USA as an outsider, is after seeing so many American movies and TV programs..many with Guns and Crime related... One would wonder is it even partly like that !  :o

That is the scary part of considering moving to new pastures.

As you guys all seem to be brought up with Gun Culture.. I get the impression that maybe how folk still deal with things should related issues arise.

something most folk from the UK would not easily take to I don't think !

What ever, that is very good that you are able to make your living on the Net..

As easy as It may seem to some.. again I suspect only a relatively small few can do it...

or it may take a lot of effort and time to learn to do it and start to build up the income that may seem a lot of effort for some who consider it.

QuoteThat is what I do now... use the internet to make a living. Only I get lazy  LOL I need to focus on sales more so I can get my buffer back  Being on the edge is bad because when the AC goes out your screwed :P

I had not been aware of ETSY..

But yes.. in the UK as an eg... there will be many items for sale that say may have appeal to maybe the people in the USA and Vice versa.

QuoteWell SELLING online is the way to start  You DO NOT need a business.  You can sell on EBAY and ETSY. The UK is full of old antiques and trinkets.  Here is an example

Yes that is a good idea and something I have considered...again many a thing came along and sidetracked me as I often thought that there were better options...

As long as you have a knack to spot some good potential items and can get them at a good price and you  can learn and do the process correct on ebay etc... yes I am sure over time one can build up to quite an income over time. its just getting started and doing it .. with some consistency.

we do have various charity shops in the Uk  that sell many an item or many an antique shop.... Car boot sales used to be big in the UK but maybe not like they were.. At one time one could go to the local tip and find all sorts.....Now UNFORTUNATELY...

that has all now become no longer allowed and the local tips are now like prisons in some ways.... With staff and sometimes cameras monitoring everything one does and fenced off at night with security..

There is so much waste...must be millions per yr in one tip in terms of value of some good stuff that goes to waste.  A real shame IMO. when times have been tough for so many.

QuoteIf you have transportation and can look for stuff in old shops etc (do you guys have yard sales?)  buy cheap  list on line and wait for it to sell.   I do not use the auction pricing  I set my price with the 30 day buy it now with 'make an offer' listing.  I can then preset an offer I will automatically accept or refuse  or leave that open.

You seem to have got it worked out well.

Had you ever took a course on Ebay ?..there are some biz event seminars from ebay gurus on them at times in the UK.. one guy from USA used to be a regular..who taught it.

I like your ETSY store.... some interesting items.

QuoteI look online for similar prices and make mine lower...  If it doesn't sell I will drop price

Here is my EBAY store (I had 650 items on it but they expire after 30 days so I need to relist them. I always wait for the free listing offers so it costs me nothing to list them) http://stores.ebay.com/Land-of-Legends-Gallery

Thats much better than having to take them to the post office like I was led one had to do... makes it much more appealing if you can do it that way.. not sure if this applies in the Uk.. will have to enquire !

QuoteYou find stuff post it and wait for the money  Post Office picks up at the door

Sounds good, but I am not sure I know what a Fixer upper house is exactly !

but yes if you can buy something, do it up reasonably cheaply and sell on and do it a few times over... one can probably make quite a return in a few years if one has the right inclination and drive to do it... sometimes its the paperwork side of things that can be a pain in the process.

QuoteOver here people will buy a fixer upper house.... They get it cheap (tax sales) and move in. Live in it a few months while they do the repairs  then list it on the market. When it sells they do it again. In 5 years you can flip many properties

You do seem to do well. and have shown some good egs...

Its nice if one can travel a few times and find certain types of shops that may sell unusual items that may have appeal.. buy some items and sell at a better price...That would be good of one could do that as they made there way around certain countries if they have the travel bug in them...and can spot good bargains or the right things that will sell.

When I went to the USA a few yrs ago.. I stopped of at Indian Springs and found a shop selling Red Indian items that I thought were interesting... that I would have thought may have sold well on ebay in places where buyers may pay more for certain types of items that may otherwise be hard to obtain elsewhere.

QuoteAll this stuff we find at Yard Sales and thrift stores.  The only problem I have is we find so much stuff we cannot sell it fast enough  :P I spent $52.00 last Wednesday (Thrift stores have 30% off senior discount on wed)   One of the items was a designer jacket brand new with tags that had the origianl price tag on it  I paid $19,99 (less discount) the tag was $108.00   I will easily get $50.00 on that from Ebay.  I could get more but it is better to stay low and move it

Quote from: zorgon on June 22, 2015, 09:29:06 PM
The official term for that is PROCRASTINATION  :P

Story of my life.

Not sure if I informed you all, but I recently quit my £1,500 pm office job to go work at Burger King for £400 pm. The only positive being more time to complete 'the story of my life', lmafo. 

That seemed a reasonable salary Sinny the compared to many a job in the UK.

Id be surprised you would do that to work at B.K..

unless you have some real positive alternative aim.

I thought that you may be a bit young to write your life story !...as yet..

or is this a wind up !  :)

QuoteStory of my life.

Not sure if I informed you all, but I recently quit my £1,500 pm office job to go work at Burger King for £400 pm. The only positive being more time to complete 'the story of my life', lmafo.

Not a wind up, but certainly a riske move on my behalf.
I wanted to change the direction I was going in and did so in dramatic fashion.
I can easily walk back into the office within the next year or two, I've already turned work down in the sector. I'm just trolling life atm. In a weird ungrouned state. I'm sure I'll figure it out.

Ps. Currently watching Womens World Cup, USA 1-0 Columbia.

I was not sure if you had been at work or Uni  or maybe both...

I may  understand...Life's choices can be very hard to determine ...potentually we may have numerous options and trying to find the right path that one really may want can be quite a challenge.

Unfortunately often for most.. its very hard to find the right one and for various reasons the way things are.. these choices can be restricted.

I often have thought.. one can have 10 , or 100 choices... and only one may be what I really want.
But I am not sure what that is until I have looked into some in more detail.

QuoteNot a wind up, but certainly a riske move on my behalf.
I wanted to change the direction I was going in and did so in dramatic fashion.
I can easily walk back into the office within the next year or two, I've already turned work down in the sector. I'm just trolling life atm. In a weird ungrouned state. I'm sure I'll figure it out.

Yea, I do uni on the side, but that's a few years from over.
Dunno, I was just having a few nihilistic months, and decided on a random one.
I don't know what I want in life, but I know what I dont want.

I mean £16,000 a year, or £6,000. I'm never going to be 'rich', either way, I've never cared for material possesions. So in my case, time is more valuable than money... And that office job ate away at all my time and all my life.

I' rather be a broke hippy than a reaonably broke stiff.

We'll see how it turns out if I still know you in a few years haha.

I had to google nihilistic...never heard of it before.
But I may understand your comment better.

If you like your Uni Course, could you not consider doing that full time as one alternative option. It would get you to that goal faster if you thought it was more a part of your plan .

Otherwise ... I know what its like to be in a Job you may dislike or that seems to have little meaning other than money.. it can seem quite demeaning or draining.

Unfortunately we need money to live what most consider the Average standard in our society..
but one can get by on much less.. and yes Time is often a key... we all have various perceptions of it...
and at various times thru out our life's.

As I got older and been thru various changes in my own life experience... when one looks back.. it can seem strange when one looks at what one has done in ones life or the choices one may have taken. Good or bad.

some seem a complete waste..others not so bad..
and in my case so far... I have not as yet obtained what I think id like to achieve..Many a thing I now believe I just was not born with what was needed to have even had a chance of succeeding even at my best as I am sure Millions or most of us realize at some point.

One questions what is ones purpose for being here and if there is something that one should be doing.
or the right thing for each of us...

but even with regrets... unless one becomes severely depressed. and no longer function too well. one can usually move onto something else that they may feel better doing for whatever the situation maybe.

Its also funny how as we reach different stages in life how our views can change..and what we used to be very passionate about say in our twenty's... we no longer even consider in our 30s or 40s...

and sometimes we end up doing things when older that we would never have considered when we were younger, be it good or bad.

I still wish however that I had more mental powers to put my life in a better path and NOT have so many ups and downs.

some of these are down to my own mistakes , some are from other reasons beyond my control..
and they are the ones that can be very frustrating.

Sometimes we just seem to have no solutions to questions and have to accept either the way we are or what may be creating a problem at least until we may find a solution.

Some problems can last  a long time or permanently...and they can really suck !
What can be really annoying is finding a solution 10 yrs too late.. :-\

I am still not sure if Life is what we make of it or if it is what happens along the way !

some of my philosophies as I see as I write..
That may change tomorrow !  :)


I would think that you would be quite ok earning good money doing what you prefer doing... an maybe that's what you need to try and determine.. hopefully sooner than 10 yrs later...

Life can be seen as a gamble... but I am sure millions of us would like to have found the right path early on rather than many years later.

But we do need to have certain experiences to discover things ...

If one has a few options in mind they want to consider..and is trying certain things...somethings are better to fail fast...and move onto the next option. 

QuoteYea, I do uni on the side, but that's a few years from over.
Dunno, I was just having a few nihilistic months, and decided on a random one.
I don't know what I want in life, but I know what I dont want.

Greetings:

Here's an idea.

astr0144 has a goldmine within reach and may not be interested in the selling aspect.

astr0144 acts as a 'finder' and puts together a shipment and we facilitate the transport (in the old days, it was MACHOP "for a favor"; perhaps spacemaverick has an update and can help here) to CONUS and Zorgon sells it and everyone gets their fair share.

It would seem that bulk shipment from the UK - like a container - would make it a worthwhile investment, as opposed to acquiring the items and warehousing them in the UK.

Whatever, let's do something with Zorgon's great ideas!

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With great respect,
tfw
Peace Love Light
Liberty & Equality or Revolution

Hec'el oinipikte  (that we shall live)

Hi Thor,

I await with curiosity with further details and possible further comments to try to understand more.

A few things have been discussed in this and other threads that I do believe could be very valuable if done in the right way if that is what "Z" and the Interested members of PRC considered them.

I think as a Group.. it may be possible to make some interesting things happen..

QuoteHere's an idea.

astr0144 has a goldmine within reach and may not be interested in the selling aspect.

astr0144 acts as a 'finder' and puts together a shipment and we facilitate the transport (in the old days, it was MACHOP "for a favor"; perhaps spacemaverick has an update and can help here) to CONUS and Zorgon sells it and everyone gets their fair share.

"Fixer upper" is a house that is run down, some damage... but still livable

Took me a minute to figure out what a tip was :P

Yeah Toronto tried to do that  make it illegal to scrounge trash from the curb... didn't last long though becaues people raised a big stink... how stupid is it to send stuff to an over full land fill if someone can use it?

They just don't want you making free money :P

What is odd though is in the UK if you find treasure, you get to keep it all

Weird rules   Oh well I tried :P

As for Ebay school... no I learned the hard way :P  but they do have a book.... and the internet is a great tool to research what has value

But yeah I don't know what things are like on that Island  Pity you can't just pack a bag in fly out

Quote from: Sinny on June 23, 2015, 02:38:35 AM
So in my case, time is more valuable than money...

A woman after my own heart.  I live by that maxim.  ;)

I have walked away from a number of well paid jobs for a either ethical reasons or the one you give above.  I tried to explain to my old boss when he tried to persuade me to stay that no amount of money can buy the most precious thing of all back.  That thing is time.

I have a secret that would so surprise you if we ever meet. ;)

Quote from: Pimander on June 23, 2015, 12:50:43 PM
A woman after my own heart.  I live by that maxim.  ;)

I have walked away from a number of well paid jobs for a either ethical reasons or the one you give above.  I tried to explain to my old boss when he tried to persuade me to stay that no amount of money can buy the most precious thing of all back.  That thing is time.

I have a secret that would so surprise you if we ever meet. ;)

Your just full of secrets Pi ;) haha.

I look forward to finding out, and no doubt we'll meet up soon, perhaps before the year is out..

Aye Astro, all I know is that I do not know... Oh the mysteries of life eh.
A saint is a sinner who keeps on tryin  :P

Yes, with the Tips or maybe I should have said Rubbish tip (A term from the old days) or now maybe its more  modern Environmental term is
Recycling centre. It does seem quite disturbing to me at times when I go to one just how much really good looking stuff is being destroyed..

We do have quite a few charity shops.. but it seems more potential things that could go to these shops just gets taken to the Tips instead and wasted.

Its good how they have arranged the recycle centres if it really is helping the environment..as it does get certain items sorted to some degree.

There is things or areas like for Electrical Items OLD TVs and Computers etc where I am sure many are just being replaced by updated ones and may work perfectly well.. IF they go to scrap.. they say some of the various metals may get separated and recycled.. That maybe a good thing.

But I am sure many a TV or computer could be reused and the items do not get checked to see if they are in working order..which may be a shame.

But also you may be right.. it may be yet another way to keep people down from making money with them if they were to obtain and sell them.

Another thing they have started doing is coming around in a van doing free collections of electrical goods.. arranged I think by the councils..

its a bit like the old rag and bone without the Horse and carriage... that used to collect all sort of items from the public.. I suspect the authorities put a ban on them.. now they oly collect electric items free.. you have to pay to have collection on other items.

QuoteThey just don't want you making free money :P

What is odd though is in the UK if you find treasure, you get to keep it all

Weird rules   Oh well I tried :P

There were some seminars in the UK that were on Ebay a year or two ago.. initially it seemed good.. maybe it was ... but there later were concerns that the people selling some of the ideas were misleading or ripping clients off..

There were certain things taught that seemed good along with special software that they were selling... to help in the listings. presentation and photo layouts etc.

Its great if you can find the items that will really sell.. but chances are they only sell for so long and then you have to find new things that are in demand..
There are methods to try to determine that.. but it can be quite a lot of work and demanding of ones time... does seem any easy given items that will sell day after day and make one a fortune that they will give away as they are the ones with such secrets.

You used to be able to sell info products on ebay like ebook and cds etc.. but they put a stop to it.

There are some ways around it.. but it my take longer to get it to work compared to how it once did.

QuoteAs for Ebay school... no I learned the hard way :P  but they do have a book.... and the internet is a great tool to research what has value

I am sure many do just arrive on a one way ticket and are never seen again..probably 1000s..
I suspect that just have to have ways of not easily being identified if they have not gone thru the right procedures.

Its just these days with security being much tighter.. it may be something that they can track you down.

If one tried to get a Job in the USA from the UK.. unless one knows have to trick the system.. They may soon be caught out and either arrested or sent back !

if one could make there living without a proper job however... they could probably get by quite well.

It would be interesting to know how best to go about such a thing or what the issues would be and consequences should it not go to plan.

Its like the benefits system in the Uk and the many immigrants that are fleeing to the UK and europe.

Many don't really know how best  to go about it, but others are well informed prior.and many do manage to succeed..

I suppose when one is in such a situation and maybe it could happen to any of us..who knows what the future may hold... then one may question who has the right to say who lives in such a country !

QuoteBut yeah I don't know what things are like on that Island  Pity you can't just pack a bag in fly out

Must be nice to be in such demand ! and know your worth so much to them. or have what is wanted and the abilities to obtain the well paid jobs. as well as be in a position or to think that time may be more important than money.

That what Matrix preaches and I am sure most of us would like to be in that position.

But unfortunately for many.. they seem to have to work if they want a certain std of life ...

QuoteI have walked away from a number of well paid jobs for a either ethical reasons or the one you give above.  I tried to explain to my old boss when he tried to persuade me to stay that no amount of money can buy the most precious thing of all back.  That thing is time.

I am sure  you can find some solution.

If you do manage to find something good and don't mind sharing an idea or two..it may be appreciated.

Many are still searching for a better way no matter how long they have lived.

QuoteAye Astro, all I know is that I do not know... Oh the mysteries of life eh.
A saint is a sinner who keeps on tryin  :P

Not sure what happened..I thought that I was amending and adding to the similar earlier prior post 35...but somehow it has posted this as a 2nd post.

I can see that I was no longer able to amend the earlier one..as if I could, I would delete this one and just amend the prior one.

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Yes, with the Tips or maybe I should have said Rubbish tip (A term from the old days) or now maybe its more  modern Environmental term is
Recycling centre. It does seem quite disturbing to me at times when I go to one just how much really good looking stuff is being destroyed..

We do have quite a few charity shops.. but it seems more potential things that could go to these shops just gets taken to the Tips instead and wasted.

Its good how they have arranged the recycle centres if it really is helping the environment..as it does get certain items sorted to some degree.

There is things or areas like for Electrical Items OLD TVs and Computers etc where I am sure many are just being replaced by updated ones and may work perfectly well.. IF they go to scrap.. they say some of the various metals may get separated and recycled.. That maybe a good thing.

But I am sure many a TV or computer could be reused and the items do not get checked to see if they are in working order..which may be a shame.

But also you may be right.. it may be yet another way to keep people down from making money with them if they were to obtain and sell them.

Another thing they have started doing is coming around in a van doing free collections of electrical goods.. arranged I think by the councils..

its a bit like the old rag and bone without the Horse and carriage... that used to collect all sort of items from the public.. I suspect the authorities put a ban on them.. now they oly collect electric items free.. you have to pay to have collection on other items.

QuoteThey just don't want you making free money :P

What is odd though is in the UK if you find treasure, you get to keep it all

Weird rules   Oh well I tried :P

There were some seminars in the UK that were on Ebay a year or two ago.. initially it seemed good.. maybe it was ... but there later were concerns that the people selling some of the ideas were misleading or ripping clients off..

There were certain things taught that seemed good along with special software that they were selling... to help in the listings. presentation and photo layouts etc.

Its great if you can find the items that will really sell.. but chances are they only sell for so long and then you have to find new things that are in demand..
There are methods to try to determine that.. but it can be quite a lot of work and demanding of ones time... does seem any easy given items that will sell day after day and make one a fortune that they will give away as they are the ones with such secrets.

You used to be able to sell info products on ebay like ebook and cds etc.. but they put a stop to it.

There are some ways around it.. but it my take longer to get it to work compared to how it once did.

QuoteAs for Ebay school... no I learned the hard way :P  but they do have a book.... and the internet is a great tool to research what has value

I am sure many do just arrive on a one way ticket and are never seen again..probably 1000s..
I suspect that just have to have ways of not easily being identified if they have not gone thru the right procedures.

Its just these days with security being much tighter.. it may be something that they can track you down.

If one tried to get a Job in the USA from the UK.. unless one knows have to trick the system.. They may soon be caught out and either arrested or sent back !

if one could make there living without a proper job however... they could probably get by quite well.

It would be interesting to know how best to go about such a thing or what the issues would be and consequences should it not go to plan.

Its like the benefits system in the Uk and the many immigrants that are fleeing to the UK and europe.

Many don't really know how best  to go about it, but others are well informed prior.and many do manage to succeed..

I suppose when one is in such a situation and maybe it could happen to any of us..who knows what the future may hold... then one may question who has the right to say who lives in such a country !

There was a Strike at Calais in France by staff working for the Channel Tunnel yesterday and on the News it said Many Migrants may well have been able to take advantage of it...

It is no doubt getting quite concerning for those who believe it to be issues for these European countries.

These guys do not even have a one way ticket..but it wont stop some making a new life in a new country  ???

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/migrants-try-advantage-calais-strike-133040339.html#Z36TXxM

QuoteBut yeah I don't know what things are like on that Island  Pity you can't just pack a bag in fly out

Could you live tiny? Here's how one couple found room for their dreams.

This shows how one can get by even in something like a converted shed that cost them $500. :-\


Our boots sloshed around in the mud. It was a dreary Pacific Northwest day filled with slate-colored clouds and the feeling it could downpour any minute.

After several "pardon mes" and "coming throughs," we got the tripod inside and forgot about the looming storm. We settled into a world of nooks and crannies, warm blankets — and the smell of chocolate.

It's what you do when you live in a tiny home. You get cozy. And you make brownies on a rainy day.

Tina, the tiny home

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Leah Wymer and Brady Ryan's house-on-wheels wasn't some big, planned project. Wymer's dad, a carpenter, thought it would be fun, so they bought a used trailer off Craigslist for $500 and started building.

Two years later, the tiny home named Tina developed into "this huge thing." Not a huge footprint — she's only 98 square feet — but a huge, move-to-the-island and start-your-own-business thing.

Redefining happiness

From an apartment in Seattle, where they paid about $1,400 a month, Wymer and Ryan moved to a family farm on San Juan Island. They traded in a closet full of shoes for a pair of work boots and a house smaller than most people's garage.

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Ryan insists they aren't "hardcore tiny homies" because his parents' house is nearby. But for many owners of tiny homes it isn't about escaping normal life or community, anyway.

"We've had many times where we'll sleep upstairs and then our friends, usually a couple, will sleep down here on the pull-out and it's like a sleepover," Ryan says. "I love sleepovers. I'm still a little kid at heart."

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Wymer says it instantly brings you closer because your proximity is so close, but she's the first to admit living "tiny" isn't for everyone.

"If you leave your laundry on the ground, it's in the kitchen," she says. "Everything kind of overlaps a little bit."

But if you don't mind things — and people — overlapping, making do with less can be life-changing.

"Things don't bring you happiness," Wymer says. "Our lifestyle brings us happiness."

The cog in the wheel

It's not easy making money on an island. Wymer has her own wedding-flower business, and Ryan keeps busy making honey and sea salt.

"The tiny home is like the cog in the wheel that allows the whole thing to spin," Ryan says. Not only are the couple's living costs reduced significantly, but they're able to do what they love most right in their backyard.

"There have been a lot of times where I wonder if I'm dreaming, really, because of the beauty that is all around us," Wymer says. "I love when it gets later in the season, and the grass comes up to your waist. ...There is nothing like walking out there and brushing your hands against it."

https://homes.yahoo.com/news/could-you-live-tiny--here-s-how-one-couple-found-room-for-their-dreams-173132724.html

Quote"Fixer upper" is a house that is run down, some damage... but still livable

Or Maybe Consider moving to Sicily near Italy for a Free House !

A town in Italy is giving away free homes — under one condition

Want a free house?

The Sicilian town of Gangi, tucked away in the central part of the country, needs newcomers to replace its vanishing populace.

So the local government has decided to offer up vacant homes to businesses that want to spruce up the area with hotels and individuals looking for a European fixer-upper.

In a 102-word release, Gangi — local population: 7,000 — curtly explained the terms of the deal.

"Those who will be assigned the free houses have to bear the expenses for the transfer of ownership," the release explains.

In other words, it's your problem now.

The formal requirements stipulate that new owners must present a plan for renovation within one year of purchase and complete those renovations within three years.

The fixes won't be quick. Many of the Gangi homes are dilapidated, not having seen any human attention in decades.

Still, international attention has been arriving faster than the government can give the houses away.

Some of the abodes have already been bestowed to Sicilians in search of second homes and foreigners looking to add to their collection. There are 200 houses left and a waiting list that isn't getting any shorter.

Gangi's decision to surrender its homes comes after several decades of people uprooting their lives in Sicily to live out American dreams and, later, South American Dreams, Marcello Saija, the director of a network of emigration museums in Sicily, told The New York Times.

Between 1892 and 1924, roughly 1,700 immigrants from Gangi landed in Ellis Island. By the 1930s and 40s, New York had been usurped by Argentina as the hot spot for a new life.

With increasing buzz for the houses, City Hall has the luxury of being selective. If you're looking for a summer home, you might be out of luck.

"We don't want people just because they have money," Gangi mayor Giuseppe Ferrarello told the Times, adding that preference will be given to applicants whose goal is to improve not just a house, but Gangi as a whole.

The city isn't the first to employ the new strategy. Stateside, small towns like Gary, Indiana and larger cities like Indianapolis and Detroit have put their displaced homes up for cheap, either giving them away for $1 or offering them outright.



http://uk.businessinsider.com/town-in-sicily-giving-away-free-houses-2015-6

I mentioned my thoughts about the Stock Market in the 1st post in this thread.

The Dow Jones had just opened over 300 points down at 17625 from Fridays Close which had been 17946 for what is known as the cash market..but it closed higher in the last 15 mins of the futures Market at 17970 ish.

I have not seen anything like this for some years.

A financial trading Company that I know are presently charging 7 times more to allow anyone to trade the Dow Jones at the Moment than would be the Norm...

This is a sign of EXTREME Volitility...

I have NEVER seen anything this extreme  even as far back as  the 2000 crash and 2007 crash....

They are saying its due to the uncertainty with Greece. and are saying there could be huge movements in the market.

Crashes do not normally happen at this time of the year.. they usually occur  between  Late August September and October.... such as the 1929 , 1987 , and 2007 crash.  and although the 2000 crash started between January and March .. the big decline started in September.

I just have never seen such overcharging in the markets that occur during high uncertain volitile times....

I thought we may see a rally from today into the July 4th Holiday  Period .. but with the volitilty being this high may see a huge decline..

QuoteMy thoughts on a possible Market crash for this year  based upon my own Stock market Cycle timing analysis...This is based upon the Dow Jones Index.

With the Dow making recent highs last week.
I think its possible we may have another high made this week...and the start of a decline from between 22nd June this week to end of the Month...
maybe down to between July 4th to 9th.

 What to watch out for if Greece leaves the euro.

This is a report wrote by one of the Companies financial analysts..


The eurozone crisis has bubbled away in the background for five years now, with the Greek situation steadily declining amid the ever-looming prospect of the nation leaving the currency union. Traders need to be wary that a Greek exit could have an enormous impact on the financial markets and many different asset classes.

To a large degree we're in uncharted territory here. The very fact that no country has ever left the union means there's no blueprint for Greece's departure; neither in terms of the political process, nor the financial ramifications.

While Greece accounts for less than two percent of the eurozone's GDP, there are some compelling reasons for keeping it within the fold. Not least to save face and retain some unity among fellow members. If the indebted nation makes a break for it, could other struggling countries like Spain, Portugal or Ireland follow them? One clear advantage of Greece staying for the rest of the member states is that it keeps the currency artificially low.

Orderly vs disorderly exit

It is not just a question of whether Greece leaves the euro, but also how it is handled. An unexpected and sudden announcement that Athens is going it alone would send shockwaves through the eurozone and further afield. And that's precisely why it is not likely to be conducted in that manner. This style of Greek exit would lead to low risking taking by traders, and assets that are perceived to be safe would be in demand.

If Greece leaves the currency union in a controlled and orderly fashion, the market would experience a jump in volatility at the very mention of it, and dealers would initially take a low risk stance. But if the move is drawn out over a number of months (and it is clear that only Greece will be leaving the eurozone) confidence will return in the medium to long term, with traders taking on more risk as the dust settles.

The euro

There is no doubt the single currency itself has taken a hammering since the Greek debt crisis began. The euro has come under pressure repeatedly during the various Greek bailouts and when other countries had to be rescued during the sovereign debt crisis. But while other bailed-out nations got on with imposing austerity measures and restoring some confidence, the dire Greek situation kept holding the euro back.

How the currency reacts to a Greek exit all depends on the handling of the ordeal. The initial fear would be that this could be the end of the currency union, and panic selling could ensue. However, if the European Central Bank manages to reassure investors that Greece is the only country exiting the currency area, the euro could push higher as it will no longer have the weight of the Greek problem pulling it down.

There will be external pressures as well. The US hasn't ruled out an interest rate hike this year, and that will put EUR/USD in the spotlight. The Bank of England is also looking to raise interest rates next year, followed by a likely jump in trading volumes for EUR/GBP. Wary traders will need to keep an eye on EUR/JPY as well. Although the yen is seen as less of a threat to the euro even with a Grexit, set against the bigger quantitative easing battle between the Bank of Japan and the ECB.

Indices

If Greece were to leave the eurozone it would be like a financial earthquake for stock markets, with those closest to the epicentre suffering the most, but further afield none would fully escape the effects. The eurozone equity markets have benefitted greatly from the ECB's QE policies, and the decline from the May highs would be significantly accelerated should Greece decide to leave. The ramifications would ripple through Europe, across the Atlantic and on to the Far East. Dealers have a way of selecting the wheat from the chaff, and some equity markets will fall more than others. The core eurozone markets like the Germany 30 and the France 40 will be hit first. The UK may not be in the currency bloc, but it is its biggest trading partner, and in turn the FTSE 100 will also feel the ripples of a Greek exit.

Banks

As the Greek debt crisis has been chugging along for five years, banks in the eurozone have gradually reduced their direct exposure to Greece's debts. The German financial system alone has €15 billion worth of exposure to Greece, but the majority of that is held by a state controlled bank. Publically-listed firms like Deutsche Bank and Commerzbank have €298 million and €400 million worth of exposure respectively. By the end of 2013, France's BNP Paribas still had €700 million worth of Greek debt on its books. Credit Agricole has the same level of exposure.

However, the sector might not be quite out of the trees just yet, particularly if we see a disorderly exit. If confidence in the region's banking system is falling, all the finances houses will feel the effects. Funds have been flowing out of Greek banks and the country at a fast rate, and that cash flight will only pick up. Traders would be paranoid about a contagion throughout the eurozone, still fearing what dark asset secrets the banks might have on their books. The credit crunch saw a number of banks go to the wall, and the eurozone debt crisis saw a few countries bailed out. Greece's exit could trigger a similar round.

Gold

The metal is considered to be a safe-haven investment, and during times of uncertainty it's always going to be in demand. The all-time high for gold was reached in 2011, when the eurozone debt crisis drove traders out of the equity markets and into lower-risk assets like cash, high-rated government bonds and gold. When the US lost its triple-A credit rating in the summer of 2011, gold was propelled to a record high. Despite gold losing some attractiveness since, a similar historic event is bound to send demand for the metal soaring.

I just saw on Euronews that Greek banks are closed and remain closed until the referendum.

Quote from: ArMaP on June 29, 2015, 09:25:07 AM
I just saw on Euronews that Greek banks are closed and remain closed until the referendum.

I hear there were talks of a run on the bank  They don't like that so slam the door shut

Quote from: zorgon on June 29, 2015, 09:43:58 AM
I hear there were talks of a run on the bank  They don't like that so slam the door shut

People started to go to the ATMs on Saturday, to take all the money they could, so this reaction was expected.

Quote from: astr0144 on June 29, 2015, 03:39:19 AM
Gold

The metal is considered to be a safe-haven investment, and during times of uncertainty it's always going to be in demand. The all-time high for gold was reached in 2011, when the eurozone debt crisis drove traders out of the equity markets and into lower-risk assets like cash, high-rated government bonds and gold. When the US lost its triple-A credit rating in the summer of 2011, gold was propelled to a record high. Despite gold losing some attractiveness since, a similar historic event is bound to send demand for the metal soaring.

I dam well HOPE so LOL  I don't have a lot of gold... mostly old scrap from jewelry making and electronic scrap...

But I held on to it because the 'experts' said it would go higher..  NEVER listen to the 'experts' :P They KNOW NOTHING

::)

Gold hit close to $1890.00
(http://goldprice.org/NewCharts/gold/images/gold_5_year_o_x_USD.png?0.43729235557839274)

and Silver at almost $50.00

(http://goldprice.org/NewCharts/gold/images/silver_5_year_o_x_USD.png?0.09443395212292671)


I missed the boat  because today gold and sliver have been steadily declining 

Gold  $1,177.42

Silver $15.73

http://goldprice.org/

That is quite a loss  so I will just have to wait and hope it goes up again. At least by next time I will have the gold and silver in refined form :D

It seems that there was a lot of uncertainty and attempts to suggest other solutions to solve things last week after that large 300 point decline on the Dow Jones..It fell to just  under 17600.

I did think we may see a reversal for a rally at this level  if the market holds up after Sunday/Monday. at least temporary back up to at least the 17880 level.

The Greek People are said vote on a referendum and  whether to stay in the Euro on Sunday July 5th.


As for the Gold &  Silver Markets.

I had not realised that Silver had fallen so much.

Its last 25 yr low low was $4.10 per ounce made on 27th Nov 2001 and its all time High was made around 28th April 2011 about $50 an ounce.

Silver has fallen with a huge decline of about 70% to $15 an ounce since its 2011 high within just over 3 years..

Gold has fallen about 40%...to just under $1200 an ounce.

Gold Made its 25 yr low around 21st June 1999 at about $252 an Ounce... and Made its all time high 23rd August 2011 or Sept 6th 2011 at price level or value of  about  $1913 an ounce although charts may suggest a high of $1880.

Another date in August may be Aug 15th that 44 years prior..

President Richard M. Nixon announced  on August 15, 1971, that the U.S. would no longer officially trade dollars for gold, we have been enjoying a new era of human history.

Doing some of my other time analysis based on certain past main high and low dates in Gold and Silver... I have August 6th  Aug 15th or August 25th or  early Sept 3rd to 7th  as Dates of possible main turning points that Also are dates that I have for the Dow Jones.

So if Gold / Silver makes  Lows on one or more of these dates I think it could reverse and rally sometime in that months period.

Quote from: astr0144 on July 04, 2015, 06:07:01 AM
The Greek People are said vote on a referendum and  whether to stay in the Euro on Sunday July 5th.

No, the referendum is to say "yes" or "no" to the plan proposed by the "troika" on June 26, not to stay or not in the Euro.

As I thought that I understood in trying to simplify it if that's possible....

The Vote is seem as a referendum to see if they accept the IMFs offer (Troika) with funds to help them pay their debts and to stay in the euro zone. but that may keep them with future longer term financial and tax issues.

If they reject it, then initially they may be in severe Turmoil.. but longer term they may allow them more control over their own destiny...with no other euro countries dictating what they can do.

I think that may also suggest that they will come out of the Euro Currency. Would that suggest that they revert to their old currency ? the Drachma !

If that happens, I wonder how this will effect the Currency and World Stock Markets ? and if that will have worse effects than if the Greeks vote to remain in the Eurozone / Euro Currency !

Quote"the vote is widely seen as a referendum on whether Greece should continue being part of the Eurozone"

                  ------------------------

QuoteOn Sunday, the people of Greece will cast a historic vote on their place in Europe. If they vote "yes," it will mean more spending cuts, more tax hikes, and more rounds of tense negotiations with European creditors. But in the long run, it could lead to a more united Europe.

If the Greeks vote "no," it will likely trigger Greek exit from the Eurozone. That would cause turmoil for the Greek economy in the short run, but could ultimately give Greece more control over its destiny.

Officially, the people of Greece are voting on whether to accept a June 25 offer from the International Monetary Fund, European Union and the European Central Bank (collectively known as "the Troika") to provide Greece with desperately needed bailout money. In exchange, the Troika demanded that Greece implement a list of tax increases, spending cuts, and economic reforms.

In practice, the vote is widely seen as a referendum on whether Greece should continue being part of the Eurozone — even if it means submitting to what many Greeks see as onerous financial conditions. Euro membership isn't officially on the ballot, but if the Greek people vote no it makes Greek exit from the common currency a lot more likely.


http://www.vox.com/2015/7/2/8883393/greece-crisis-referendum-explained

QuoteNo, the referendum is to say "yes" or "no" to the plan proposed by the "troika" on June 26, not to stay or not in the Euro.

QuoteThe Greek People are said vote on a referendum and  whether to stay in the Euro on Sunday July 5th.

With regards to Gold...some analysts are still suggesting further declines in the price of maybe another 40%.

Before the rally in Gold and Silver.. it had been at a very low price since the decline after the last main high in the 1980s...
and went in a low range for about 20 years...

Many had been saying Silver had become less in demand back in the late 1990s early 2000.... but it surprised many an analyst with its huge rally into 2011.

Its since had a huge decline and the movements in the ups and downs of the precious metal markets seem to be bigger and quicker than that of Gold.

Those who Trade Silver in whats known as the Futures Markets were able to profit on those moves as the market rallied and as it  has fallen..With Futures you can make profits on declining markets..known as short selling...

Maybe with Silver now having declined much further than Gold so far since 2011s high... it may be a better option to consider and a cheaper deal if it should re rally again.

Silver Coins may be a good option to consider..if one wants to hold Silver in an actual Physical form other than bullion.
and  generally better for a longer term  hold investment...

If one has a futures trading account.. it may be worth considering buying, but it is a HIGH risk investment as the moves can be very volitile....but it can be very rewarding for those who get it right.

and very good quick profits can be made that are highly  leveraged and have the potential to be severely compounded...
where you can purchase further contracts on profits made from an initial contract...so you may do a type of 2 , 4, 8, 16, 32 pyramid type of trading that you initially start on using just a small deposit of what the true Silver futures contract is really worth.

Much easier described than done.. but some of the financial gurus do this to make quick huge profits...say for eg turning $2000 into $4K then $8 k then $16 k..but each build up on contacts add up in a larger total..

it does require extreme accuracy in both price analysis and timing.and if it went wrong and extremely against you, it could also result in extremely potentially huge losses.

often to avoid this they use Other financial derivatives to hedge their positions.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/trangho/2015/07/04/the-loathsome-truth-about-gold-and-why-it-should-crash-40-2/?utm_campaign=yahootix&partner=yahootix

Quote from: astr0144 on July 04, 2015, 06:07:01 AM
So if Gold / Silver makes  Lows on one or more of these dates I think it could reverse and rally sometime in that months period.

I can only hope  :D

I will send all my scrap to the refinery now though so I will have it in good metal. Easier to see that way (or use) I will get it back as jewelry metal. either wire or sheet

There is no premium on that like there is on bullion or coins. The refinery takes their fee out of the metal so won't cost me anything. I have one refinery that pays out 95% of actual value on the day of processing.

I don't have a lot of gold. mostly years of electronic scrap collecting and jewelry bench scrap.. but it adds up at that price

I do have several pounds of silver  from finding old damages silverware and old jewelry


And if I get it returned as wire and sheet, I can always use it to make jewelry :D

Casting grain is another form that is useful

Quote from: astr0144 on July 04, 2015, 06:11:22 PM
In practice, the vote is widely seen as a referendum on whether Greece should continue being part of the Eurozone — even if it means submitting to what many Greeks see as onerous financial conditions. Euro membership isn't officially on the ballot, but if the Greek people vote no it makes Greek exit from the common currency a lot more likely.

Yes, that's what the media has been saying, but not what I have seen most people from Greece saying when interviewed by the media.

As for the situation with silver, could it be that the almost end of chemical, silver based, photography has resulted in less demand?

What would you basically describe the Greek peoples views or what they are  saying ?

QuoteYes, that's what the media has been saying, but not what I have seen most people from Greece saying when interviewed by the media.

Yes I think back in the late 1990s early 2000 with the new at the time digital technology for Photography....there was much less demand for Silver in the Photographic film or development industry..

But they used to often Say Silver would follow Gold..and since at least the 1970s... the chart image movements have been quite similar.

There was no doubt about it.. seeing something like Gold and Silver stay low in price for so long would have been very frustrating to investors who looked to purchase it..

but when it finally did take off.. it was a huge move that took 10 tears and was VERY profitable for those who managed to hold onto it and sell at a reasonable high level.

I think those large moves would have really surprised most..

when you looked at the stock market (Dow and S&P 500 for eg) since its low in 1932..

it took 75 years to reach its highs in Oct 2007...

Those markets fell about 60% within 18 months..

All that long term 75 year gain wiped out in 1 1/2 years..

That was quite unbelievable...

But to then see it re rally to new highs in just over 6 years...is also amazing....and I think was very unexpected by most investors... as often huge MAJOR crashes of 50 % or more often result in further sell offs.

BUT I believe it was down to Government manipulation.." .."Quantitative easing". that may be relatively new and I don't think ever done on such a scale before..

QuoteQuantitative easing (QE) is an unconventional form of monetary policy where a Central Bank creates new money electronically to buy financial assets, like government bonds. This process aims to directly increase private sector spending in the economy and return inflation to target.

Now we have had a similar thing with Silver so far.

A Huge move to new all time highs. at least since the 1970s...and I think even since the Silver market was created..some 100s of years ago .and now we have seen a similar  70% decline...

this is a 200 yr chart.. but I think there may be charts since 1000s of yrs ago as gold/silver  has been in supply and demand since when ever . :o   :)

seems maybe about the 1930s (Guess July 1932 low of stock market ) was the low in last 200 yrs..

infact that may even be 83 years ago this week coming..

iff it was then that could be interesting !!!..and may even see a reversal from here as July 4th Holiday weekend was another important date I had in mind.. ???

or maybe some date around April 1933... I need to try and find out that date for its Low...

QuoteOn April 19, 1933, the U.S. Government abandoned the exist-ing Gold Standard and began to purchase foreign silver under the Silver Purchase Act of June 19, 1934

http://www.enterpriseintegrators.com/palmer/history/3-tulane&jub/historyofgold&silver.htm


In fact I just found this and added it in..

Quotesilver fell to an all-time low of 24¢ in December 1932, during the world-wide Depression of the 1930s

I think an 83 year cycle from this date in Dec 2015 may also prove important in Both the Precious metals and Stock Market.



(http://goldsilverworldscom.c.presscdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/silver_price_chart_200_years_1800-2012.gif)

http://goldsilverworlds.com/gold-and-silver-prices-over-200-years-long-term-gold-and-silver-charts/

That top in Silver came about 4 years after the Stock Market 2007 high... and has fallen now in about 4 years.

again an amazing Huge move...

One wonders what may be coming next !

if we face financial uncertainty they often say to buy precious metals.. as a safe haven.

I believe that the Chinese and other countries are looking to heavily buy again..


At one time it was said that if the stock market fell precious metals would rise..

but Both the stock and Gold / Silver markets did rally at least into 2007..and as the stock market crashed Gold . Silver continued to make new all time highs...upto 2011...

but now we have NEW recent stock market highs again.. since May 2015.. we are seeing Gold and Silver at Lows. doing the opposite. as is usually expected..

QuoteAs for the situation with silver, could it be that the almost end of chemical, silver based, photography has resulted in less demand?

Quote from: astr0144 on July 04, 2015, 08:25:57 PM
What would you basically describe the Greek peoples views or what they are  saying ?

They mostly see this referendum as a way to tell other countries (specially Germany) that the Greeks are a proud people that is tired of being treated more as a commodity than a people.

Even those that talk about a possible exit from the EU and the Drachma say that they don't see how they could bring it back, as it would cost a lot of money, but most people do not even talk about exiting the EU or the Euro.

Thanks for your description.

I think that I can understand that is how they may view it.

I seems hard to understand how this has occurred...

I was watching a Politics Program the other day with someone suggesting that the Greeks had been carelessly spending in its past..and the person suggested that they have brought it on themselves...

I don't know if there is truth in what he says, but for the average Greek person I am sure that they don't see it that way.

QuoteThey mostly see this referendum as a way to tell other countries (specially Germany) that the Greeks are a proud people that is tired of being treated more as a commodity than a people.

Even those that talk about a possible exit from the EU and the Drachma say that they don't see how they could bring it back, as it would cost a lot of money, but most people do not even talk about exiting the EU or the Euro.

Quote from: astr0144 on July 04, 2015, 09:06:01 PM
I was watching a Politics Program the other day with someone suggesting that the Greeks had been carelessly spending in its past..and the person suggested that they have brought it on themselves...

It's partly true, but then we have cases like this (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/apr/19/greece-military-spending-debt-crisis).

I now see what your referring to.

As is often the case..so many things go on that may make it hard to fully determine what may have been going on.

but it would not surprise me that the other countries who may have profited from the Defence transactions from Greece.

I think in the past other countries have been in debt and they just had them wrote of...

Sometimes certain  countries just seem to print money to solve issues a bit like the US Gov may have done with their Quantitative easing that offers more time !  :)

Do they get in more debt or can it be continually avoided ? sometimes it seems to be so ....

I wonder if that may happen in one way or the other with Greece.


There was some suggestion I read somewhere that they may even cancel the vote on Sunday....We will see what happens soon.

Quote"One could argue that with 1,300 tanks, more than twice the number in the UK, Greece has many more than it needs. But no one forced it to spend so much. It happened because of the threat perception from Turkey and the need to balance Turkey militarily," he said.

He said there was an element of hypocrisy in the criticism being levelled at Greece in France and Germany.

"Knowing the economic situation of the country, and all the talk about Greece's overspending for the last 20 years, one feels like saying 'hold off, gentlemen, with the criticism'," he said. "It's hypocritical to ignore the fact that a not insignificant amount was spent on buying weapons systems from EU members Germany and France."

QuoteIt's partly true, but then we have cases like this.

Quote from: astr0144 on July 04, 2015, 10:33:44 PM
I think in the past other countries have been in debt and they just had them wrote of...

Yes, it has happened in other cases.

The case for Greece: when it forgave Germany's debt (http://news.yahoo.com/case-greece-forgave-germanys-debt-154706236--finance.html)

Greece debt crisis: Greek voters reject bailout offer.


Similar to last weeks open.... The Dow Jones just declined a further 250 points to a low of 17453...

Have to see what happens the rest of this week into August..

With two-thirds of ballots counted, results from the Greek referendum show voters decisively rejecting the terms of an international bailout.
Figures published by the interior ministry showed 61% of those whose ballots had been counted voting "No", against 39% voting "Yes".
Greece's governing Syriza party campaigned for a "No", saying the bailout terms were humiliating.
The "Yes" campaign warned this could see Greece ejected from the eurozone.
Some European officials had also said that a "No" would be seen as an outright rejection of talks with creditors.
But Greek government officials have insisted that a "No" vote would strengthen their hand and that they could rapidly strike a deal for fresh funding in resumed negotiations.
Greek banks will reopen by Tuesday, they say.
Follow our live updates
Reacting to the result, Greek Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis called it "a big yes to a democratic Europe".
He said Greece would be "positive" in negotiations with its creditors.
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Euclid Tsakalotos, Greece's deputy foreign minister, told Star TV that two developments would allow Greece to pursue "a solution that is financially viable".
"Firstly, the government now has a new popular mandate and the second is the latest [International Monetary Fund] report which says that the Greek debt is unsustainable."
Greece had been locked in negotiations with its creditors for months when the Greek government unexpectedly called a referendum on the terms it was being offered.
Banks have been shut and capital controls in place since last Monday, after the European Central Bank declined to give Greece more emergency funding.
Withdrawals at cash machines have been limited to €60 per day.
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Analysis: Mark Lowen, BBC News, Athens
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The partying by the "No" camp will go well into the night here and the government will be popping open the ouzo. Alexis Tsipras has called the eurozone's bluff - and it appears to have gone his way.
But the triumphalism won't last. There is still a sizeable chunk of the Greek nation deeply unhappy with what has happened. And the government will have to unite a divided country.
More than that, a deal with the eurozone has to be struck fast.
Greek banks are running critically low and will need another injection of emergency funds from the European Central Bank.
Given the bad blood of the past two weeks - Greece's Finance Minister, Yanis Varoufakis, calling the eurozone's strategy "terrorism" - it will be hard to get back around the negotiating table. And with the banking crisis and tax revenues plummeting amidst the instability, Greece's economy has weakened again, making a deal even harder to reach.
The eurozone's tough rhetoric will continue. But Greece's government will have its answer prepared: we put your demands to a democratic test - and they were rejected.
Peston: Banks running out of cash
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Mr Varoufakis is due to meet senior Greek bankers later on Sunday. State Minister Nikos Pappas, a close ally of Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras, said it was "absolutely necessary" to restore liquidity to the banks now the referendum was over.
Italian Foreign Minister Paolo Gentiloni tweeted: "Now it is right to start trying for an agreement again. But there is no escape from the Greek labyrinth with a Europe that's weak and isn't growing."
Belgium's finance minister said the door remained open to restart talks with Greece "literally, within hours".
Eurozone finance ministers could again discuss measures "that can put the Greek economy back on track and give the Greeks a perspective for the future," he told the VRT network.
Leaders meet
French President Francois Hollande and German Chancellor Angela Merkel are scheduled to meet in Paris on Monday to discuss the situation, Mr Hollande's office said.
Greece's latest bailout expired on Tuesday and Greece missed a €1.6bn (£1.1bn) payment to the IMF.
The European Commission - one of the "troika" of creditors along with the IMF and the European Central Bank - wanted Athens to raise taxes and slash welfare spending to meet its debt obligations.
Greece's Syriza-led government, which was elected in January on an anti-austerity platform, said it had been presented with an "ultimatum".
The Greek government's opponents and some Greek voters had complained that the question on the ballot paper was unclear. EU officials said it applied to the terms of an offer that was no longer on the table.
The projected turnout in Sunday's referendum was about 60%.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33403665

Update on this thread since it was initially posted on June 20th..

The Dow did find a high level around June 22nd..

and initially declined to around July 4th/9th (Making 3 low dates in this time frame.The weekend 4/5th July being the main low)

It then rallied into July 16th/20 and made another high (slightly lower high then June 22nd)..

It then declined to July 27th...then rallied back up 31st July...

and finally declined to a new 6 month low since early February..that hit 17360 today .


so far that has been a decline from a level of 18186 made around June 22nd...

to a low today August 6th of 17360...

A total of 826 points..



I want to see if it holds at that level and  starts rallying back up to Late August 30th / to either Sept 3rd or 21st/23rd  /Oct 4th or 10/11th where if it does I believe we could see a series of tops..with a decline to the end of the year.

Today was hard to say where it would bottom out..as new lows can sometimes see huge declines on the last day..we may see further decline overnight into early Tomorrow if that low gets taken out..

but I would hope we see the market start moving back up by the end of this week/early next week.


http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=djia&insttype=&freq=1&show=&time=5

Both Gold and Silver also declined into this week to make new lows..

Gold hit a low close to 1080

This is a Chart of the USA Gold Futures..

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=GOLD&insttype=Future

Silver hit a level of 14.40. on Aug 4th.

Comex Silver Futures chart.

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=SILVER&insttype=Future&freq=1&show=&time=5


Both have hit levels of Interest and it may be a very good buying opportunity if they can hold..


Posted June 20th 2015..

QuoteWith the Dow making recent highs last week.
I think its possible we may have another high made this week...and the start of a  decline from between 22nd June this week to end of the Month...
maybe down to between July 4th to 9th.

(These Cycle Dates often will find turns in the Market...but also they can Inverse...ie find say a high instead of an expected low. Trying to determine the turn dates is hard.. but its even harder to say if the dates will be highs or lows... although for some time periods.. I can often pick them out or estimate them reasonably well.)

or if not. and the market holds up..maybe after the US July 4th Holiday.

14th and 27/28th July may see high or low pivots..

and  a decline to either August 6th (expected if Market still declines after July 9th) or August 30th.

Well now, with Puerto Rico defaulting on 58 billion with no bail out options, they are thinking bankruptcy. Thing is, Puerto Rico is home 20 for the IRS. Then we have the astroid event coming in September and Gas prices falling to all time lows by December, Ya somethings up.

It maybe that with the various countries collapsing economies that it could have a major impact on the World Financial markets this year.

Usually Stk Markets Start to crash between Late August to October...

I was expecting a reversal in the USA Index markets from Aug 6th...but it went lower on the 7th..

I just hope that its not going to continue down with at least a reversal into the Autumn...

(I also was expecting at least the start of a reversal before end of next week)

or that we see another similar  crash like we had in 2007/2009 this year.

This is Gerald Celenties comments.

http://www.examiner.com/article/gerald-celente-predicts-global-stock-market-collapse-before-end-of-the-year

QuoteWell now, with Puerto Rico defaulting on 58 billion with no bail out options, they are thinking bankruptcy. Thing is, Puerto Rico is home 20 for the IRS. Then we have the astroid event coming in September and Gas prices falling to all time lows by December, Ya somethings up.

But do we have any evidence of  "Elite Now Evacuating" at all? ???

Quote from: Dyna on August 09, 2015, 06:27:13 PM
But do we have any evidence of  "Elite Now Evacuating" at all? ???

Meh, elite? You mean the guys who get a news article every week? I would hardly call them elite ( they are richt, big difference ) . Give people a few faces to hate and all is well. Problem is ( don't get me started on AJ ) is that the real people with power won't ever be filmed on camera let alone give a reason to post an article about them.

They are shadows, silent investors, people behind a desk with nothing more then a phone.
Remember

Quote"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years......It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."
? David Rockefeller

Yes the rich would have been a better description, as you say the true elite are not even known doubt anyone would see them bug out to their Underground/Mars/Moon hideaways.

Update since my earlier August post.

The Stock market indexes .. The Dow Jones Industrials and S&P 500 main USA markets continued  to have a severe decline to find a Low so far on August 24th at new  18 month lows since Feb 2014 to hit a level of around 15370 on the cash Dow Market.

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=djia&insttype=&freq=1&show=&time=9


I had indicated 2 dates that I thought may be important in August as possible Lows that may change the trend. That being August 6th and August 30th...

After the August 6th the market continued to decline so I was looking to see what happened come Aug 30th....I did have a timing date for the 24th... but I did not see that as important to that of August 30th.


With the Low upto now being the 24th August...This does look like what is known as a Spike Low in terms of chart analysis that would often see a reversal in trend...and so far it has shown a 1000 point attempted rally...

August 30th has came in as as a high point after the attempted rally...

If August 30th is as important as I suspected... then this could have came in as yet another high point and we may see  the start of another severe decline...

I highly suspect that we will see the answer to this in the next 2 to 3 weeks....and maybe by next week.

So I can only await to see what happens and which way the market will go from here.

So far the markets have fallen much further and quicker than I was initially suspecting... As usually Crashes occur from high levels between late August to Sept or October


I think if the Dow breaks to new lows again, that this could prove very serious...

and I would not count out a drop to the 14400/ 14200 level or my next lower target around 13800.


Alex Jones is making may suggestions as to whats going on and what may soon happen..

This video suggest that we may be soon to see a new biggest 1 day decline on the Dow Jones, that I suspect could see a fall of 800 to 1500 points maybe in one day... and that could be from September 13th.

See the ref to the Shemitah below..how the last 2 cycles that were 7 years apart have seen huge 1 day declines to the day..even to the minute from their start..

Anyone who knows about Stock Market  Sept Put Options may have chance to make quite a fortune if one can afford to purchase them.. if it occurs. Although its very high risk investing..but can offer huge rewards from relatively low stakes.

There is ref to the Blood Moon and Solar Eclipse..on the 13th Sept..

On Aug 24th the Dow rallied over 800 points in minutes.. There has NEVER been anything like that occur in its history..

If this collapse on the 13th occurs... there will be shear World wide panic..

and Its very hard to say what may follow..

I suggest that you ensure you stock up on certain Groceries and make sure that you take a reasonable amount of  money out of your bank.. as we may see bank closures yet again.

In the last Month I have had TWO of my Bank branches in my Area close down.. Was this a Warning of what is about to happen !

I suspect the Dow will decline at least into Sept 21st/23rd the Autumn Equinox ....

That would be similar to what happened after 9/11 that went on to decline a further few days to Sept 21st 2001.


Other Important date that I have that may see changes in short term trend or start of big moves..  or had were 6th to 7th Sept that I think may see a rally if the market remains strong today..and or  10th August..that could see another  high day..maybe also with the 13th if we are to see another start of a decline.....and also the 16th. then 22nd.




or the 28th Sept is another date of importance being mentioned.


Coming Shemitah Market Collapse: "8 Trading Days Until Wipe Out Day"

The end of the Shemitah cycle is fast approaching, and many are worried about an impending collapse, particularly considering we have already seen unprecedented stock market decline.

http://www.infowars.com/is-the-stock-market-now-too-big-to-fail/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcBhn9xHiJ0


http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/tag/the-shemitah-year



The Shemitah: The Biblical Pattern Which Indicates That A Financial Collapse May Be Coming In 2015
The Shemitah- Financial Collapse In 2015Does a mystery that is 3,500 years old hold the key to what is going to happen to global financial markets in 2015?  Could it be possible that the timing of major financial crashes is not just a matter of coincidence?  In previous articles on my website, I have discussed some of the major economic and financial cycle theories and their proponents.  For example, in an article entitled "If Economic Cycle Theorists Are Correct, 2015 To 2020 Will Be Pure Hell For The United States", I examined a number of economic cycle theories that seem to indicate that the second half of this decade is going to be a nightmare economically.  But the cycle that I am going to discuss in this article is a lot more controversial than any of those.  In his most recent book, Jonathan Cahn has demonstrated that almost all of the major financial crashes in U.S. history are very closely tied to a seven year pattern that we find in the Bible known as "the Shemitah".  Since that book was released, I have been asked about this repeatedly during radio appearances.  So in this article I am going to attempt to explain what the Shemitah is, and what this Biblical pattern seems to indicate may happen in 2015.  If you are an atheist, an agnostic, or are generally skeptical by nature, this article might prove quite challenging for you.  I would ask that you withhold judgment until you have examined the evidence.  When I first heard about these things, I had to go verify the facts for myself, because they are truly extraordinary.

So precisely what is "the Shemitah"?

In the Bible, the people of Israel were commanded to let the land lie fallow every seven years.  There would be no sowing and no reaping, and this is something that God took very seriously.  In fact, the failure to observe these Sabbath years was one of the main reasons cited in the Scriptures for why the Jewish people were exiled to Babylon in 586 BC.

But there was more to the Shemitah year than just letting the land lie fallow.

On the last day of the Shemitah year, the people of Israel were instructed to perform a releasing of debts.  We find the following in Deuteronomy chapter 15...

At the end of every seven years you shall grant a relinquishing of debts. This is the manner of the relinquishing: Every creditor that has loaned anything to his neighbor shall relinquish it. He shall not exact it of his neighbor, or of his brother, because it is called the Lord's relinquishment.

This happened at the end of every seven years on Elul 29 – the day right before Rosh Hashanah on the Biblical calendar.

So what does this have to do with us today?

Well, if you go back to the last day of the Shemitah year in 2001, you will find that there was an absolutely horrifying stock market crash.

On September 17th, 2001 (which was Elul 29 on the Jewish calendar), we witnessed the greatest one day stock market crash in U.S. history up to that time.  The Dow fell an astounding 684 points, and it was a record that held for precisely seven years until the end of the next Shemitah year.

At the end of the next Shemitah year in 2008, another horrifying stock market crash took place.  On September 29th, 2008 the Dow plummeted 777 points, which still today remains the greatest one day stock market crash of all time.  It turns out that September 29th, 2008 corresponded with Elul 29 on the Jewish calendar – the precise day when the Bible calls for a releasing of debts.

So on the very last day of the last two Shemitah years, the stock market crashed so badly that it set a brand new all-time record.

And now we are in another Shemitah year.  It began last fall, and it will end next September.

Could it be possible that we will see another historic market crash?

Author Jonathan Cahn has correctly pointed out that we should never put God in a box.  Just because something has happened in the past does not mean that it will happen again.  But we should not rule anything out either.

Perhaps God is using His calendar to make a point.  Cahn believes that if we are going to see something happen, it will probably occur as the Shemitah year comes to an end...

Cahn has pointed that, according to his research, the worst of the worst usually happens at the end of the Shemitah year, not at the beginning. In fact, the last day of the year, Elul 29 on the Hebrew calendar, which will occur on Sept. 13, 2015, is the most dreaded day.

The pattern revealed in "The Mystery of the Shemitah" is that the beginning of the Shemitah's impact is often subtle, but leads to a dramatic climax.

"The beginning may mark a change in direction, even a foreshadow of what will come to a crescendo at the Shemitah's end," he said.

And this time around, far more people are paying attention.  Back in 2001 and 2008, most Americans had absolutely no idea what a "Shemitah year" was.  But now it is being talked about on some of the most prominent alternative news websites on the Internet.  For example, the following is what Joseph Farah of WND has to say about the Shemitah year...

Farah believes the date Sept. 13, 2015 bears close watching – though he is quick to admit he has no idea what, if anything, will happen in America.

"A clear pattern has been established," he says. "I don't believe it's a coincidence what happened in America on Elul 29 in 2001 and 2008. It would be foolish to ignore the possibility that a greater judgment might be in the works – especially if America continues to move away from God and His Word."

The Shemitah year that we are in now does end on September 13th, 2015 – and that falls on a Sunday so the markets will be closed.

But what it comes to the Shemitah, we aren't just looking at one particular day.

And it is very interesting to note that there will also be a solar eclipse on September 13th, 2015.  Over the past century, there have only been two other times when a solar eclipse has corresponded with the end of a Shemitah year.  Those two times were in 1931 and 1987, and as Jonathan Cahn has told WND, those solar eclipses foreshadowed major financial disasters...

In 1931, a solar eclipse took place on Sept. 12 – the end of a "Shemitah" year. Eight days later, England abandoned the gold standard, setting off market crashes and bank failures around the world. It also ushered in the greatest monthlong stock market percentage crash in Wall Street history.

In 1987, a solar eclipse took place Sept. 23 – again the end of a "Shemitah" year. Less than 30 days later came "Black Monday" the greatest percentage crash in Wall Street history.

Is Cahn predicting doom and gloom on Sept. 13, 2015? He's careful to avoid a prediction, saying, "In the past, this ushered in the worst collapses in Wall Street history. What will it bring this time? Again, as before, the phenomenon does not have to manifest at the next convergence. But, at the same time, and again, it is wise to take note."

So what is going to happen this time?

We will just have to wait and see.

But without a doubt so many of the same patterns that we witnessed just prior to the financial crash of 2008 are happening again right before our very eyes.

It has been said that those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Perhaps you believe that there is something to "the Shemitah", or perhaps you think that it is all a bunch of nonsense.

But at least now you know what everyone is talking about.  What you choose to do with this information is up to you.



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The Seven Year Cycle Of Economic Crashes That Everyone Is Talking About
Blood Red MoonLarge numbers of people believe that an economic crash is coming next year based on a seven year cycle of economic crashes that goes all the way back to the Great Depression.  What I am about to share with you is very controversial.  Some of you will love it, and some of you will think that it is utter rubbish.  I will just present this information and let you decide for yourself what you want to think about it.  In my previous article entitled "If Economic Cycle Theorists Are Correct, 2015 To 2020 Will Be Pure Hell For The United States", I discussed many of the economic cycle theories that all seem to agree that we are on the verge of a major economic downturn in this country.  But there is an economic cycle that I did not mention in that article that a lot of people are talking about right now.  And if this cycle holds up once again in 2015, it will be really bad news for the U.S. economy.

Looking back, the most recent financial crisis that we experienced was bad.


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The Global Migrant Crisis Is Escalated by Design: 9/06/15 Full Show.

On this Sunday, September 6 edition of the Alex Jones Show, we take a look at Alex's "Total Emergency Alert Update: Global meltdown begins," a video posted on Saturday on the heels of a previous warning in June explaining how the destabilization of social and political systems orchestrated by the global elite imperils humanity. On this worldwide transmission we also break down the migrant crisis in Europe as the Pope demands churches across Europe open their doors to refugees driven out of Syria by the US-Saudi backed proxy war there. Other stories include the US State Department warning Russia to not help the besieged al-Assad regime in Syria and the global elite fine tuning new debt scams to consolidate wealth and drive the people of the world into poverty and desperation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUYqRFl6avE