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R&D on Treatment and Disposal of Radioactive Waste resulting from Accident at Fukushima Daiichi NPS

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by Citizenperth
User ID: 66515138
Australia
07/17/2015 11:04 PM
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2906776/pg1#51237268


Here are isotopes of interest from the Fukushima Daiichi man made nuclear disaster.

This is what has polluted the Pacific, caused extinction events and will continue to, and the industry has nothing but profit for it all.

The following radionuclides are selected referring to the radionuclides for evaluation in the existing disposal system (see page 13 of documents below from the first source link):

gamma;-ray nuclide : 60Co, 94Nb, 137Cs, 152Eu, 154Eu

beta;-ray nuclide : 3H, 14C, 36Cl, 41Ca, 59Ni, 63Ni, 79Se, 90Sr, 99Tc, 129I, 241Pu

alpha;-ray nuclide : 233, 234, 235, 236, 238U, 237Np, 238,239,240,242Pu, 241,242m,243Am, 244,245,246Cm

Sources:

http://irid.or.jp/_pdf/20150421_2.pdf
http://irid.or.jp/en/reports/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKiq5IgRiuA

Special thanks to D'un Renard and Richard Wood


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Alpha particles mean we are all dead and there's nothing we can do about it:

QuoteDue to the short range of absorption and inability to penetrate the outer layers of skin, alpha particles are not, in general, dangerous to life unless the source is ingested or inhaled, in which case they become extremely dangerous.[5] Because of this high mass and strong absorption, if alpha-emitting radionuclides do enter the body (upon being inhaled, ingested, or injected, as with the use of Thorotrast for high-quality X-ray images prior to the 1950s), alpha radiation is the most destructive form of ionizing radiation. It is the most strongly ionizing, and with large enough doses can cause any or all of the symptoms of radiation poisoning. It is estimated that chromosome damage from alpha particles is anywhere from 10 to 1000 times greater than that caused by an equivalent amount of gamma or beta radiation, with the average being set at 20 times. The powerful alpha emitter polonium-210 (a milligram of 210Po emits as many alpha particles per second as 4.215 grams of 226Ra) is suspected of playing a role in lung cancer and bladder cancer related to tobacco smoking.[6] 210Po was used to kill Russian dissident and ex-FSB officer Alexander V. Litvinenko in 2006.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_particle#Biological_effects

QuoteNineteen radioisotopes of americium have been characterized, with the most stable being 243Am with a half-life of 7,370 years

Americium-243
Americium-243 has a mass of 243.06138 g/mol and a half-life of 7,370 years, the longest lasting of all americium isotopes. It is formed in the nuclear fuel cycle by neutron capture on plutonium-242 followed by beta decay.[14] Production increases exponentially with increasing burnup as a total of 5 neutron captures on 238U are required.

It decays by either emitting an alpha particle (with a decay energy of 5.27MeV)[14] to become 239Np, which then quickly decays to 239Pu, or infrequently, by spontaneous fission.[15]

243Am is a hazardous substance, because it can cause cancer. 239Np, which is formed from 243Am, emits dangerous gamma rays, making 243Am the most dangerous isotope of Americium.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_americium

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- http://irid.or.jp/_pdf/20150421_2.pdf

Quote from: this_is_who_we_are on July 18, 2015, 06:43:33 AM
Here are isotopes of interest from the Fukushima Daiichi man made nuclear disaster.

This is what has polluted the Pacific, caused extinction events and will continue to, and the industry has nothing but profit for it all.

Could you provide evidence that those isotopes are being found in the Pacific? I could only see them listed on the list of isotopes to look for on the samples taken from the area around the reactor, but I didn't read the whole PDF.

QuoteAlpha particles mean we are all dead and there's nothing we can do about it:

Seeing that we aren't dead I suppose there aren't that much alpha particles being absorbed.

MOST EXCELLENT!

And for those who desire more information:

How Radioactive is Our Ocean? (http://ourradioactiveocean.org/results.html)

QuoteIn August, Tepco admitted that a cumulative 20 trillion to 40 trillion becquerels of radioactive tritium had "probably" leaked into the Pacific Ocean since the disaster; the legal limit of radiation in water is 30 becquerels per liter.

QuoteJapan recently agreed to accept the help from France, which will help decommission and dismantle the crippled nuclear reactors at Fukushima. Russia, which originally offered to help Japan contain the Fukushima nuclear disaster (and again recently renewed its offer), is still waiting to be taken up on its offer.

But while Chernobyl and Fukushima were the only two nuclear disasters to measure Level 7 on the International Nuclear Event Scale, Chernobyl only contained 180 tons of nuclear material prior to the catastrophe; comparatively, Fukushima contained 1,760 tons of nuclear material.

Fukushima Radiation Now A Global Disaster: Japan Finally Asks World For Help, Two Years Too Late (http://www.ibtimes.com/fukushima-radiation-now-global-disaster-japan-finally-asks-world-help-two-years-too-late-1416058)

Quote from: thorfourwinds on July 18, 2015, 04:13:48 PM
How Radioactive is Our Ocean? (http://ourradioactiveocean.org/results.html)

Quotethe legal limit of radiation in water is 30 becquerels per liter.

OK, how many litres does the Pacific ocean has?
According to NOAA, the Pacific ocean has 660,000,000 km³, equivalent to 6.6e+20 litres, so 40 trillion becquerels (40,000,000,000,000? We don't use billions and trillions like the US uses) on the Pacific ocean represent something like 6.1e-8=0.00000061 becquerels per liter, so I doubt it will negatively affects distant areas of the Pacific ocean. Around that area is a different story.

PS: I do not guarantee that the results of my calculations are correct. :)

Quote from: ArMaP on July 18, 2015, 12:51:57 PM
Could you provide evidence that those isotopes are being found in the Pacific? I could only see them listed on the list of isotopes to look for on the samples taken from the area around the reactor, but I didn't read the whole PDF.

I'll hop on a plane, then a boat, and head out there with the required equipment ASAP. Give me a few weeks. *chuckles*

Quote from: ArMaP on July 18, 2015, 12:51:57 PM
Seeing that we aren't dead I suppose there aren't that much alpha particles being absorbed.

243Am has a half-life of 7,370 years, so give it some time. It's a slow-motion extinction level event. But it is without a doubt an extinction level event. *not laughing so much now*

Quote from: ArMaP on July 18, 2015, 07:26:38 PM

OK, how many litres does the Pacific ocean has?
According to NOAA, the Pacific ocean has 660,000,000 km³, equivalent to 6.6e+20 litres, so 40 trillion becquerels (40,000,000,000,000? We don't use billions and trillions like the US uses) on the Pacific ocean represent something like 6.1e-8=0.00000061 becquerels per liter, so I doubt it will negatively affects distant areas of the Pacific ocean. Around that area is a different story.

PS: I do not guarantee that the results of my calculations are correct. :)

I doubt it will negatively affects distant areas of the Pacific ocean?


Really. Haven't you been paying attention over the last 4 years?
If not, then here's the latest U.S. West Coast "head scratcher".
Scientists have been "baffled" by these mass die offs for four years.
What's so hard to understand?


Unprecedented emergency statewide fishing closures enacted in Pacific Northwest — "We've never had to do anything like this" — "Very alarming" mass die-offs linked to disease outbreak — Nearly 100% infection rate in some areas — Rotting gills, distended bellies — NOAA: It's a 'head scratcher'
Published: July 17th, 2015 at 2:26 pm ET
By ENENews
http://enenews.com/emergency-statewide-fishing-closures-pacific-northwest-unprecedented-weve-never-anything-like-before-disease-causing-very-alarming-mass-die-100-infection-rate-areas-rotting-gills-distended

A head-scratcher, eh? Disease outbreak, huh? Okeedokee.

Quote from: this_is_who_we_are on July 18, 2015, 07:59:35 PM
I'll hop on a plane, then a boat, and head out there with the required equipment ASAP. Give me a few weeks. *chuckles*

So, does that mean that you were just repeating what other people said, without any supporting data?

Quote243Am has a half-life of 7,370 years, so give it some time. It's a slow-motion extinction level event. But it is without a doubt an extinction level event. *not laughing so much now*

If it is a "slow-motion extinction level event" then it's not a consequence of alpha particles being eaten, as your post implies, as that results in a relatively quick death.

Quote from: this_is_who_we_are on July 18, 2015, 08:09:19 PM
Really. Haven't you been paying attention over the last 4 years?
If not, then here's the latest U.S. West Coast "head scratcher".
Scientists have been "baffled" by these mass die offs for four years.
What's so hard to understand?

Is that proved as being a result of radiation? Or all bad things that happen in the Pacific now are automatically branded as a result of Fukushima?

Facts, please. :)

PS: that ENENews link is about the drought and high temperatures affecting rivers in that area, it has no direct relation to radiation. The 100% infection rate they talk about is infection by a parasite, ceratomyxa shasta.

I prefer the original. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09LTT0xwdfw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09LTT0xwdfw

Quote from: ArMaP on July 18, 2015, 09:14:04 PM


Facts, please. :)

Fact is - three cores are missing, radioactive waste in untold amounts has been spewing into the Pacific for 4 years and everyone is basically saying it's really nothing to worry about. Is that the side of the argument you're on? Nothing to worry about. If you're ok with that, then so am I.

Meanwhile, back at the adult table...

snide remarks about those who do NOT agree with you or ASK you to prove your statements
will certainly keep YOU from the adult table

you should change your name to
this is who I am

Quote from: this_is_who_we_are on July 18, 2015, 09:48:51 PM
Fact is - three cores are missing, radioactive waste in untold amounts has been spewing into the Pacific for 4 years and everyone is basically saying it's really nothing to worry about. Is that the side of the argument you're on?

No, but I don't accept something just because someone says so.

The leak of radioactive material is a serious matter, and I'm sure that locally it has had more effects than we are told, but things like pointing to salmon dying in rivers of the west coast of the US as if it was a direct result of the leak is something for which I would like to see facts, otherwise it's just another case of fear-mongering.

QuoteNothing to worry about. If you're ok with that, then so am I.

Fear? No. Worry, yes, but not much.

ArMaP:

Quote...so I doubt it will negatively affects distant areas of the Pacific ocean

YOU doubt? Based on what?

Certainly not your continued research the past four years, based on your non-participation in THE definitive thread(s) on Fukushima on your home base, AboveTopSecret.

Or for that matter, here on Pegasus.    :P

QuoteFact is - three cores are missing, radioactive waste in untold amounts has been spewing into the Pacific for 4 years and everyone is basically saying it's really nothing to worry about. Is that the side of the argument you're on?

QuoteNo, but I don't accept something just because someone says so.

1) Three cores are missing

2) Radioactive waste in untold amounts has been spewing into the Pacific for 4 years

3) everyone is basically saying it's really nothing to worry about

Gentlepersons, let's attempt to keep this somewhat civil, or not, your choice.

I was personally recruited by Zorgon to come here and anchor the 'DENY NUCLEAR' forum.

And fully expected to encounter less-informed 'Fukushima Denier's, and be attacked by same.

So be it.

Our Fukushima threads are based on facts and facts cannot be denied.

OK, ArMaP, on each of the above itemized statements, do you agree or not agree with each one, if you please?

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Quote from: space otter on July 18, 2015, 10:01:13 PM

snide remarks about those who do NOT agree with you or ASK you to prove your statements
will certainly keep YOU from the adult table

you should change your name to
this is who I am

Yes, that was an error on my part.

And so, to ArMaP and the forum in general - an apology.

I have no excuse to have stooped to the level I exhibited earlier.

Quote from: this_is_who_we_are on July 18, 2015, 09:48:51 PM
Fact is - three cores are missing, radioactive waste in untold amounts has been spewing into the Pacific for 4 years and everyone is basically saying it's really nothing to worry about. Is that the side of the argument you're on? Nothing to worry about. If you're ok with that, then so am I.

Meanwhile, back at the adult table...

Struckthrough  - Sorry ArMaP. Old habits die hard.

Moving forward now, as Thor suggests - Do you agree with the above or not?

Just one more thing:

All I wanted to do was pass on what I thought was useful information.

I'm not a nuclear expert by any means - I have no proof of anything to offer; only the documents that I provided and a number of  informed opinions.

I'll have to leave the proofing to experts like Thor who have been on top of this since day one.

But then again, with 4 years of denial, obfuscation, cover-ups, minimization and the like from "The Authorities", how can someone expect a mere cog like myself to be able to PROVE anything with respect to the Fukushima debacle.

Quote from: this_is_who_we_are on July 19, 2015, 04:56:47 AM
But then again, with 4 years of denial, obfuscation, cover-ups, minimization and the like from "The Authorities", how can someone expect a mere cog like myself to be able to PROVE anything with respect to the Fukushima debacle.

PROOF is in the Pudding... :P or in this case in the FISHES

When we followed this from the beginning... we saw images of the plants with the huge pipes that connect the buildings all strewn around like pickup sticks... but the told us they had containment

Since Fukushima CHEATED by leaving out the safety called a heat exchanger, the radioactive water went directly from the reactor  to the turbines, through all those pipes that are now scattered all over the place

That one detail alone says HOW could they EVER have had containment?

A Canadian who worked in Plant 1 said that when the EQ there was a load crack and all the bells and whistles went off... All they could do was say "Holy Crap!" and get out.

Tepco managers tried to lock them in (this was later removed from the CTV interview) Told them they needed to be checked for radiation first.  They said screw you, pushed out and got in their cars  JUST BEFORE THE TSUNAMI HIT

So containment was lost in building 1 at the beginning

THAT is how you find proof...  observation :D


So the FISHES...

How much dilution there is or isn't in the ocean is irrelevant... what matters is that those heavy elements ACCUMULATE like mercury and lead.... so the little fished eat the tainted food and get eaten by bigger fishes....   and so on...

So we need to look at the FOOD CHAIN

Kelp... Kelp is taken to prevent thyroid cancer (like potassium iodide pills)

Date...  April 8, 2012  One year after Fukushima

Fukushima radiation found in California kelp

QuoteKelp off California was contaminated with short-lived radioisotopes a month after Japan's Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant accident, a sign that the spilled radiation reached the state's coastline, according to a new scientific study.
Scientists from CSU Long Beach tested giant kelp collected off Orange County, Santa Cruz and other locations after the March 2011 accident and detected radioactive iodine, which was released from the damaged nuclear reactor.
The largest concentration was about 250 times higher than levels found in kelp before the accident.
"Basically, we saw it in all the California kelp blades we sampled," said Steven Manley, a CSU Long Beach biology professor who specializes in kelp.

http://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Fukushima-radiation-found-in-California-kelp-3466414.php

Blue Fin Tuna.... Sushi Fish :P

Date: August 24, 2013

Radioactive Bluefin Tuna Caught Off California Coast

QuoteEvery bluefin tuna tested in the waters off California has been shown to be contaminated with radiation that originated in Fukushima. Every single one.

Over a year ago, in May of 2012, the Wall Street Journal reported on a Stanford University study. Daniel Madigan, a marine ecologist who led the study, was quoted as saying, "The tuna packaged it up (the radiation) and brought it across the world's largest ocean. We were definitely surprised to see it at all and even more surprised to see it in every one we measured."

Another member of the study group, Marine biologist Nicholas Fisher at Stony Brook University in New York State reported, "We found that absolutely every one of them had comparable concentrations of cesium 134 and cesium 137."

http://samuel-warde.com/2013/08/radioactive-bluefin-tuna-caught-off-california-coast/

So since the leakage has not stopped nor is likely to for many years to come...  look to the FISHES.  I like Tuna but I think I will make sure my fish come from the Atlantic

But then  the government is wanting to remove point of origin from meats... and they already raised the 'safe' limits  So can we trust we are getting accurate data?

I need a Geiger counter... was going to buy one before Fukushima  for $100.00  That same unit is now over $500.00

Quote from: thorfourwinds on July 19, 2015, 02:29:13 AM
ArMaP:
YOU doubt? Based on what?

Based on the fact that radiation effects depend on the concentration of the radiation, and if you "dilute" a strong radiation into a huge body of water like the Pacific ocean it will reach the areas most distant to the source as a very weak radiation added to what already exists naturally.

QuoteCertainly not your continued research the past four years, based on your non-participation in THE definitive thread(s) on Fukushima on your home base, AboveTopSecret.

Or for that matter, here on Pegasus.    :P

The fact that I do not participate doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about, it only means that I don't like to participate in those discussions.

And no, AboveTopSecret is not my "home base", my home base is my home, not some Internet forum.

Quote1) Three cores are missing

The atomic fuel from the reactor cores? From what I have seen, it's possible, but I don't know if there was any real confirmation of that.

Quote2) Radioactive waste in untold amounts has been spewing into the Pacific for 4 years

No doubts about.

Quote3) everyone is basically saying it's really nothing to worry about

That's subjective, as it depends on what you mean by "everyone".

QuoteGentlepersons, let's attempt to keep this somewhat civil, or not, your choice.

As always. :)

QuoteOur Fukushima threads are based on facts and facts cannot be denied.

Facts cannot be denied, but they should be supported by real data, not just presented as if they are confirmed facts.

QuoteOK, ArMaP, on each of the above itemized statements, do you agree or not agree with each one, if you please?

Done. :)

Quote
I'll have to leave the proofing to experts like Thor who have been on top of this since day one.

first off as much as I like thor  as a fellow human doing what HE feels is right

Thor is NOT an expert..
Thor is a purveyor of rumors and unproven opinions of others in splashing flashing lights

he is akin to a carnival barker shouting out the terrors you will find in his midway
scarier and scarier
the price you pay is your ability to reason for yourself and demand more than a show of words

step right up to see the terrors awaiting you..but only if you suspend your critic thinking and buy into the fear that is approaching or already here..
OH MY

Quote from: this_is_who_we_are on July 19, 2015, 04:56:47 AM
All I wanted to do was pass on what I thought was useful information.

No problems with that, I only wanted to know how useful that information was, but I probably worded it wrong. :)

Quote from: zorgon on July 19, 2015, 08:47:19 AM
How much dilution there is or isn't in the ocean is irrelevant... what matters is that those heavy elements ACCUMULATE like mercury and lead.... so the little fished eat the tainted food and get eaten by bigger fishes....   and so on...

It's not irrelevant, as the fishes from the areas with higher concentration will get more than those from areas with low concentration.

But yes, the big fishes will show the result.

QuoteFukushima radiation found in California kelp

http://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Fukushima-radiation-found-in-California-kelp-3466414.php

Yes, but it was short-lived radiation, that's why one month later there weren't any signs of radioactive iodine on the kelp.

The real danger is in the isotopes that emit alpha radiation, as the opening post says, and, as far as I have seen, that kind of isotopes hasn't been found in fishes, plants or water far from Fukushima.

QuoteRadioactive Bluefin Tuna Caught Off California Coast

http://samuel-warde.com/2013/08/radioactive-bluefin-tuna-caught-off-california-coast/

That's the kind of title the media uses to grab people's attentions, regardless of accuracy, the tuna was 3% more radioactive than normal.

Quote from: space otter on July 19, 2015, 05:10:40 PM
Thor is a purveyor of rumors and unproven opinions of others in...

Greetings:

So much for keeping it civil.

You, space otter are a liar and highly misinformed.

Obviously, you have not been involved in the Fukushima disaster from day one as we have and are not up-to-date on my Fuku threads, which are full of vetted information.

Even the quacks, trolls, and otherwise uninformed morons on Tango do not attack me and say the inane things you do, because they know better.

Read a few hundred of my pages on FUKU and come back here with something other than your own, unsubstantiated opinions, if you please.

You are absolutely right, I am no expert, but I do know enough about Fukushima to hold my own on various talk radio shows to be invited back.   :P

QuoteAnd fully expected to encounter less-informed 'Fukushima Denier's, and be attacked by same.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/lg50aa500a.gif)

Quote from: thorfourwinds on July 19, 2015, 08:31:08 PM
Read a few hundred of my pages on FUKU and come back here with something other than your own, unsubstantiated opinions, if you please.

That punishment is too cruel, I think the Geneva convention forbids it.  :P

first off as much as I like thor  as a fellow human doing what HE feels is right

Thor is NOT an expert..
Thor is a purveyor of rumors and unproven opinions of others in splashing flashing lights

he is akin to a carnival barker shouting out the terrors you will find in his midway
scarier and scarier
the price you pay is your ability to reason for yourself and demand more than a show of words

step right up to see the terrors awaiting you..but only if you suspend your critic thinking and buy into the fear that is approaching or already here..
OH MY




that is not a lie  - that is an opinion   and  very civil...

Obviously, you have not been involved in the Fukushima disaster from day one as we have and are not up-to-date on my Fuku threads, which are full of vetted information.


ok you live in a land lock state..so besides reading stuff and regurgitating it with flashing lights and overly long posts (Oh excuse me that is what you meant by vetting)  how have you been involved exactly..?



is involved visiting the country where this has happened for FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE?

or talking to anyone from that country who WERE involved for even second hand knowldege?

and no I personally have not been involved besides reading what is written - things that you continually take out of context opps ! again you were vetting ..
please explain how you have been involved besides that




Even the quacks, trolls, and otherwise uninformed morons on Tango do not attack me and say the inane things you do, because they know better.

tango smango  who gives a rats ass what those dudes have to say.. if you did you would stay there

and again that was not an attack it was an opinion I even made the print larger for you to doublecheck

your overly long endless pontificatic posts with the flashing lights are an attack on the senses and the brain of anyone able to read it in the original


Read a few hundred of my pages on FUKU and come back here with something other than your own, unsubstantiated opinions, if you please.

well I quit readling those hundred/thousands of your pages ages ago
and
I just did come back with an opinion..
if you missed it it's up above in green

You are absolutely right, I am no expert, but I do know enough about Fukushima to hold my own on various talk radio shows to be invited back.   :P

sorry but being invited to talk radio is no pat on the back in my opinion..it's just talk



I am deeply sorry if my OPINION has made you feel attacked...find a way to get over it
and I will not take up any more space here or engage in a flame war.. I have too much respect for Z


I do apologize to anyone still reading these threads for injecting my opinion here..
I wil fight to refrain in the future ;)

Quote from: ArMaP on July 19, 2015, 09:03:07 PM
That punishment is too cruel, I think the Geneva convention forbids it.  :P

Lol! I'm a newbie here, but my father was prominent during the golden age of ATS before it turned to.. well ya know. A condensed version for those not familiar as you, Thor, would be pretty neat. Is that any possibility? Please forgive me if there already is one. Also, I do understand the importance of being thorough so don't think i'm givin you shit. Honestly, I've been eating quite a bit of salmon lately so this thread ummmm reeled me in. ;)

QuoteThor is a purveyor of rumors and unproven opinions of others in splashing flashing lights
he is akin to a carnival barker shouting out the terrors you will find in his midway

I consider that an attack.

And I'm over it.

Thank you for your opinion.

BTW, 'those dudes' - which includes me - on the Tango mega-thread really do have their ducks in a row, and I never left there, should it be of any concern to you.

And, if you actually read and comprehend what is contained in those threads that you continue to denigrate after admitting that you 'only read a few', you would find the answers to the questions you posed.

Quoteyour overly long endless pontificatic posts with the flashing lights are an attack on the senses and the brain of anyone able to read it in the original

Again, your opinion.

Quote'overly long endless'

I'm at a loss for words to respond to this    ::)

Quote'pontificatic posts'

As you well know - OR NOT - depending on your due diligence, I'm not Roman Catholic.   :P

Not one other person has ever complained about my posts (OK, you and Sgt.RocknRoll utilize virtually the same verbiage   :P)... and many others that actually read and comprehend what information is shared there even post compliments.    ;D

As I said before, if you don't appreciate nor understand what we are trying to do with my Fukushima threads, it's OK.    ;)

BTW, what did you think about this story? More 'fear-mongering', or calling the government mouthpieces out with their absurd comment that rainwater does not equate to drinking water in Pennsylvania?

Or, do you have a different opinion of what is reported that makes you not care about the well-being of your family, pets, friends, perhaps your fellow world citizens?


28 March 2011
Radioactive Iodine-131 in Pennsylvania rainwater sample is 3300% above federal drinking water standard

Governor Corbett Says Public Water Supply Testing Finds No Risk to Public From Radioactivity Found in Rainwater

QuotePennsylvania Office of the Governor, March 28, 2011:
The [Iodine-131] numbers reported in the rainwater samples in Pennsylvania range from 40-100 picocuries per liter (pCi/L). Although these are levels above the background levels historically reported in these areas, they are still about 25 times below the level that would be of concern. The federal drinking water standard for Iodine-131 is three pCi/L. ...

On Friday, rainwater samples were taken in Harrisburg, where levels were 41 pCi/L and at nuclear power plants at TMI and Limerick, where levels were 90 to 100 pCi/L.

Corbett emphasized that the drinking water is safe and there is no cause for health concerns.

"Rainwater is not typically directly consumed," Corbett said.

"However, people might get alarmed by making what would be an inappropriate connection from rainwater to drinking water. By testing the drinking water, we can assure people that the water is safe."

As those who are familiar with the challenges leaking from Fukushima at the rate of (at the very least) TEPCO-admitted 400 tons per day, it is a known factor that I-131 decays with a half-life of 8.02 days with beta minus and gamma emission.

QuoteDue to its mode of beta decay, iodine-131 is notable for causing mutation and death in cells that it penetrates, and other cells up to several millimeters away.

Courtesy of the Jet Stream, that fallout reaches the U.S. in 48-72 hours.

One might think that to have the Pennsylvania Governor Corbett admit to Fukushima fallout contamination of public drinking water in any amount should raise an eyebrow and engender further investigation from any concerned 'local.'


And this from Forbes:

28 March 2011
UPDATE: Radioactive Iodine-131 in Pennsylvania rainwater sample 3300% above federal drinking water standard
EPA: Expect More Radiation in Rainwater
Forbes Blog, March 28 2011

[Emphasis Added]

Quote... The levels [of iodine-131 in rainwater in Pennsylvania and Massachusetts] exceed the maximum contaminant level (MCL) permitted in drinking water, but EPA continues to assure the public there is no need for alarm:

"It is important to note that the corresponding MCL for iodine-131 was calculated based on long-term chronic exposures over the course of a lifetime – 70 years. The levels seen in rainwater are expected to be relatively short in duration," the [EPA] states in a FAQ that accompanied yesterday's brief news release. ...

EPA said it is receiving "verbal reports" of higher levels of radiation in rainwater... "We continue to expect similar reports from state agencies and others across the nation given the nature and duration of the Japanese nuclear incident."

And you probably remember this when you were performing your due diligence before making absurd statements and attacking me personally... did you see this information anywhere else?

Cesium-137 Threat Grows While MSM Remains Silent

QuoteCesium-137 has been detected in drinking water and milk here in the United States.

Cesium and Tellurium were found in Boise, Las Vegas, Nome and Dutch Harbor, Honolulu, Kauai and Oahu, Anaheim, Riverside, San Francisco, and San Bernardino,  Jacksonville and Orlando, Salt Lake City,  Guam, and Saipan while Uranium-234, with a half-life of 245,500 years has been found in Hawaii, California, and Washington.

17 APRIL 2011
Have the real Cesium-137 fallout maps been hidden from public?

Compare these two images.

First the publicly released Cs-137 total column fallout map for 24th March. This analysis was made on 26th March.


Now the map on the server here for the same time on the same date. The key gradient is the same. This analysis was made the day before, on the 25th March.


That's right, it shows the Northern Hemisphere getting absolutely plastered with radioactive Cesium-137. If this is incorrect, why is it kept on file and not the public one?

If it is the real version, why is it not publicly released?

Source: five minutes in here (http://squid.nilu.no/~burkhart/sharing/MOVIES/?C=M;O=D).

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Looks like I've unintentionally stated a war. Or at least a skirmish.

In addition, I find it interesting that someone has asked for facts, but then doesn't seem to be genuinely interested in reviewing them when they are readily available as evidenced by this overlooked exchange:

Quote from: ArMaP on July 18, 2015, 09:14:04 PM
Facts, please. :)

Quote from: thorfourwinds on July 19, 2015, 08:31:08 PM
Greetings:
you have not been involved in the Fukushima disaster from day one as we have and are not up-to-date on my Fuku threads, which are full of vetted information.

Quote from: ArMaP on July 19, 2015, 09:03:07 PM
That punishment is too cruel, I think the Geneva convention forbids it.  :P

Meanwhile, I thank those who have come to the aid of this thread where I couldn't.

QuoteLooks like I've unintentionally stated a war. Or at least a skirmish.

you need to read some history here between Thor and I  to correct your assumption....we mostly agree to disagree there is no skirmish or war





ok the only reason I have returned is because I would never attack anyone and if  you think I have attacked you I do hope to change that thought
our styles and opinions do not mesh and when I am bored enough to comment you get all huffy...




Thor is a purveyor of rumors and unproven opinions of others in splashing flashing lights
he is akin to a carnival barker shouting out the terrors you will find in his midway

I consider that an attack.
actually it is an observation of your posting style not an attack
I feel too deeply about humans in general to attack any is not my intent

And I'm over it...
good

Thank you for your opinion. you are welcome
and I don't go to that other place..I only have time for this one on most days

I will only address your pursuit of the pa  thing.. just to make a point

number one you rarely add the sources of your info..
I know few would be bothered to check but it's nice when you have a question as to the slant of the quote to go read the whole thing
not that this little blurb has much to go with it

and you may have gotten confused by my use of pontificate because I mis speeled it..sorry.. I have no interest in bringing anyones religion into any discussion
sooooooooooo   just to be clear


pon·tif·i·cate
verb

express one's opinions in a way considered annoyingly pompous and dogmatic.
"he was pontificating about art and history"
synonyms: hold forth, expound, declaim, preach, lay down the law, sound off, dogmatize, sermonize, moralize, lecture;




now to the part  you copied about the pa gov..thank you for including that date.. but you do realize that it is 4 years ago,

why did he say that? what is the context that statement is taken from..no link to the source so I guess I need to hunt it down
was there any reports after that of anyone having problems?..
how diluted does the rain water become when mixing with ground water or ponds and such

all that is here is a slant making it look like there is a problem..where is the substantial reports  that backs that up?


I do agree with him rain is not the same as drinking water..at least not in this state..the drinking water here is put thur water facilities that clean and test it before it is piped to the homeowners...test results are posted or you can go to the office and check them out.. you can also  get an independent lab to test your drinking water and compare the results

I found  links (all from what I would call conspiracy theory places) that only had a small piece of info with no relation to anything else
if these are the types of places you subscribe to  I now better understand the way you also present  your opinion
none said where the gov's quote was from or the rest of the story.. if there was one


here's one
http://enenews.com/radioactive-iodine-131-in-pennsylvania-rainwater-sample-3300-above-federal-drinking-water-standard
ENENews.com – Energy News 


Governor Corbett Says Public Water Supply Testing Finds No Risk to Public From Radioactivity Found in Rainwater, Pennsylvania Office of the Governor, March 28, 2011:

[Emphasis Added]

... The [Iodine-131] numbers reported in the rainwater samples in Pennsylvania range from 40-100 picocuries per liter (pCi/L). Although these are levels above the background levels historically reported in these areas, they are still about 25 times below the level that would be of concern. The federal drinking water standard for Iodine-131 is three pCi/L. ...

On Friday, rainwater samples were taken in Harrisburg, where levels were 41 pCi/L and at nuclear power plants at TMI and Limerick, where levels were 90 to 100 pCi/L.

Corbett emphasized that the drinking water is safe and there is no cause for health concerns. ...

"Rainwater is not typically directly consumed," Corbett said. "However, people might get alarmed by making what would be an inappropriate connection from rainwater to drinking water. By testing the drinking water, we can assure people that the water is safe." ...
Read the release here.

See also: EPA: Radioactive Iodine-131 levels in PA & MA rainwater "exceed maximum contaminant level permitted in drinking water"




your entire bunch of stuff makes me think of the commercial that cracks me up every time I hear it
talking about    cage free eggs...
no mention of the chickens those eggs come from  but damn the eggs were never in cages..
bwhahahahahahahah 

Thor, I guess I'm in the boat with you.  You know about my thread on Fukushima on the old OMF.  I'm not an expert either but I did have some Nuclear, biological and chemical training in an Army school back in the 70's.  I listened to some scientists and engineers regarding the Fukushima issue. (I still have the thread in PDF form).  Some people shot at me when I was trying to just bring out the message, but I kept putting out the information anyway.  I haven't gotten involved here because I didn't want to wiggle my way into your subject matter regarding Fukushima.  I'm with you...Fukushima is the gift that keeps on giving...unfortunately the people of the world have short attention spans but the problem is there and not going away.  Keep putting out the information.  I learned one thing in my years of research on various subjects;  we can hold ourselves responsible for putting out the message...what people do or do not do with that information is their decision.

I have lost a number of friends along the way because of some of my opinions.  My response to that was OH WELL...and I continue with my message.  It's all about the message to be conveyed and not the person.  I'm with you.  Cheers.

Quote from: thorfourwinds on July 20, 2015, 03:34:38 AM

28 March 2011
Radioactive Iodine-131 in Pennsylvania rainwater sample is 3300% above federal drinking water standard

Governor Corbett Says Public Water Supply Testing Finds No Risk to Public From Radioactivity Found in Rainwater

QuotePennsylvania Office of the Governor, March 28, 2011:
The [Iodine-131] numbers reported in the rainwater samples in Pennsylvania range from 40-100 picocuries per liter (pCi/L). Although these are levels above the background levels historically reported in these areas, they are still about 25 times below the level that would be of concern. The federal drinking water standard for Iodine-131 is three pCi/L. ...

On Friday, rainwater samples were taken in Harrisburg, where levels were 41 pCi/L and at nuclear power plants at TMI and Limerick, where levels were 90 to 100 pCi/L.

Corbett emphasized that the drinking water is safe and there is no cause for health concerns.

"Rainwater is not typically directly consumed," Corbett said.

"However, people might get alarmed by making what would be an inappropriate connection from rainwater to drinking water. By testing the drinking water, we can assure people that the water is safe."

As the link at the end of your post doesn't work I had to search for a source of that information, and, as usual in the case of Fukushima, the first link I found was to enenews (http://enenews.com/radioactive-iodine-131-in-pennsylvania-rainwater-sample-3300-above-federal-drinking-water-standard), and it's an excellent example of why I prefer the original sources instead of second-hand information, as I went looking for the original source and found this document (https://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/document/1056964/2011-pahan-205-03-28-advso_final_pdf), that I suppose is the release referred to in the Enenews page.

In this document we can see that the sentence after what is the first sentence on the Enenews quote is:

QuoteAs a result of the findings, Corbett immediately ordered the Department of Environmental Protection's
Bureau of Water Quality, Radiation Protection and Laboratories to test the drinking water from six
regions in the state.

Samples were taken from facilities in Norristown, East Stroudsburg, Harrisburg, Williamsport, Greenville
and Pittsburgh. After repeated testing throughout the weekend, results showed normal levels of radioactivity and no Iodine-131 above the federal limit. In fact, no Iodine-131 was detected in the drinking
water samples.

When reading the whole quote we can see why they said that drinking water is safe.

PS: I know that the quote from Enenews is not the same you used on your post, but I used it as an example of how important it is (to me) to have the original sources listed and why I don't like Enenews.
Information is power, but what happens when we have the wrong (or partial) information?

Edit: I only noticed now that the link at the end is just for the last part of the post. :)

you guys...really    ::)    ::)     ::)    ::)    ::)

let me try again for clarity of my opinion  in very simple sentences I hope you can understand

I am not attacking anyone..especially not thor as a person or poster

I have no objection to postings on fuku or anything else

I obviously have no problem with long threads

my objection is to the slant that is painted by  text taken out of context and inserted into  the op's post to boaster his/her opinion of what is going on

my objection is also lack of source material for such quotes that allow the reader to check for themselves

if you read what ArMaP just posted you may understand but at this point I doubt it..




it is slight of hand to a reader.. the cage free eggs statement...
but obviously that seems to be  what is expected

I leave you with a hug and a smile and a shake of my head as I truly  - for sure- walk away from this

I'll just step out of this thread.  I'm done.

Quote from: spacemaverick on July 20, 2015, 08:05:31 AM
I haven't gotten involved here because I didn't want to wiggle my way into your subject matter regarding Fukushima.

Greetings spacemaverick:

It seems like everyone wants to forget we're being slowly nuked... 1,592 days today.

For those who are not familiar with space maverick's previous incarnation, he started this particular thread on the very same day - 3 May 2011 -  that the EPA decided that there was no need to check for Fukushima radiation and shut down the system.

Please feel free to 'wiggle in' anytime to spread the word. Having read through your magnificent work that you were so kind as to share with me, you are more than qualified to wiggle in anytime, and we thank you for your service. Semper Fi, my friend.

QuoteRe: Radiation from Fukushima
Post by spacemaverick58 on May 6, 2011, 8:59pm
Feds Abandon Extra Radiation Monitoring of Milk, Water
Routine measurements will resume; nuclear expert calls decision "staggering"
Source: The Bay Citizen (http://s.tt/12nle) http://www.baycitizen.org/japan-disaster/story/feds-abandon-radiation-monitoring-milk/

QuoteRe: Radiation from Fukushima
Post by spacemaverick58 on May 3, 2011, 4:09pm http://opendata.socrata.com/Government/Precipitation-RadNet-Laboratory-Analysis/e2xy-undq Iodine 131 readings in several states.

QuoteRe: Radiation from Fukushima
Post by spacemaverick58 on May 7, 2011, 12:37pm
URGENT: Japan now admits Fukushima at 154 trillion Bq's/Day and West coast Radiation [1] (465 views)
Part 1 http://www.naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=78B6B30D92D1695D723818B3E84066B5

@calikid- This explains what you were looking at on the scale.

URGENT: Japan now admits Fukushima at 154 trillion Bq's/Day and West coast Radiation [2] (441 views) Part 2 http://www.naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=1A7EF81864FCC9C380C24D57D9AC18FE

QuoteRe: Radiation from Fukushima
Post by spacemaverick58 on May 10, 2011, 10:33am
Canada and U.S. cut back radiation reporting
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/05/09/bc-radiation-monitoring.html

Canadian and U.S. authorities have both cut back radiation reporting after detecting only minuscule increases following the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear crisis, despite ongoing clean-up efforts in Japan. "The quantities of radiation reaching Canada are very small and do not pose any health risk to Canadians," said a statement posted by Health Canada online.

QuoteI learned one thing in my years of research on various subjects;  we can hold ourselves responsible for putting out the message...what people do or do not do with that information is their decision.

DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER DISCLAIMER: THE POSTING OF STORIES, COMMENTARIES, REPORTS, DOCUMENTS AND LINKS (EMBEDDED OR OTHERWISE) ON THIS SITE DOES NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, IMPLIED OR OTHERWISE, NECESSARILY EXPRESS OR SUGGEST ENDORSEMENT OR SUPPORT OF ANY OF SUCH POSTED MATERIAL OR PARTS THEREIN.

QuoteI have lost a number of friends along the way because of some of my opinions.  My response to that was OH WELL...and I continue with my message.  It's all about the message to be conveyed and not the person.  I'm with you.  Cheers.

QuoteRe: Radiation from Fukushima
Post by spacemaverick58 on May 13, 2011, 12:26am
It's Official: Fukushima Was Hit With a Nuclear Meltdown
http://gizmodo.com/5801376/its-official-fukushima-was-hit-with-a-full+blown-nuclear-meltdown
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/13_03.html
Japan Broadcasting Corporation above link http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/8509502/Nuclear-meltdown-at-Fukushima-plant.html

These links all say meltdown and one is from Japan.

QuoteRe: Radiation from Fukushima
Post by spacemaverick58 on May 13, 2011, 12:46am
http://www.sharenews-blog.com/:8090/helma/twoday/sharenews/stories/5314/

Iodine 131 precautions
http://enenews.com/fukushima-forecast-shows-cesium-137-iodine-131-northwestern-5-videos
More news
http://www.epa.gov/rpdweb00/radionuclides/iodine.html

QuoteMay 13, 2011, 12:22am, spacemaverick58 wrote:
My apologies if I have alarmed anyone.

QuoteLooks to me like we're ****ed. How do you protect yourself from a radioactive cloud? I would think you don't unless you are already living underground in a controlled environment. I also wonder what altitudes these clouds are what is the volume they cover? For all we know that radiation crap could be high up in the atmosphere, but then again that sucks if it rains...

???????

QuoteThe cloud is only a fraction of the problem.

When these radioactive elements settle to the earth they contaminate the soil, plants water and everything else. The radiation is already in the food chain and likely already being consumed by humans.

Potasium Iodine may protect you short term from radioactive Iodine but it does nothing to protect against the plutonium, strontium etc. Even at low levels these particles have a long term cumulative effect on the body and as these particles get absorbed into the body they can damage the DNA of cells and form various cancers.

I think the best way to protect yourself is to look at organic cancer treatments and come up with a long term strategy as more reports start rolling in of contaminated food sources.

It is always surprising to us that so many peeps in denial will go after the messenger and not do any research on the message.

But, that's part of the game.   :P

Quote from: this_is_who_we_are on July 20, 2015, 04:49:09 AM
Looks like I've unintentionally stated a war. Or at least a skirmish.

It has happened before and it will, most likely, happen again, specially when the people involved have strong opinions. :)

Quote

Quote from: ArMaP on July 18, 2015, 09:14:04 PM
Facts, please. :)

Quote from: thorfourwinds on July 19, 2015, 08:31:08 PM
Greetings:
you have not been involved in the Fukushima disaster from day one as we have and are not up-to-date on my Fuku threads, which are full of vetted information.

Quote from: ArMaP on July 19, 2015, 09:03:07 PM
That punishment is too cruel, I think the Geneva convention forbids it.  :P

That exchange never existed, my comment was this:

Quote

QuoteRead a few hundred of my pages on FUKU and come back here with something other than your own, unsubstantiated opinions, if you please.

That punishment is too cruel, I think the Geneva convention forbids it.  :P

It was meant as a joke (the :P was supposed to help understand my intentions).

Quote from: spacemaverick on July 20, 2015, 08:05:31 AM
I have lost a number of friends along the way because of some of my opinions.

Then they weren't really your friends.

Quote from: thorfourwinds on July 20, 2015, 06:17:50 PM
It is always surprising to us that so many peeps in denial will go after the messenger and not do any research on the message.

But, that's part of the game.   :P

What I find a little strange is that you consider people with different opinions about the sources you post as "being in denial" or that they are "going after the messenger".

If anyone would like to have a PDF of the thread on Fukushima I put together, I will e-mail it to you.  It was socked full of information from various sources.  Just PM me.  I think I can e-mail it?  I cannot vouch for all the links still working but it is there nonetheless.

I would gladly share it.  I am sure Thor has a copy.

Fukushima, the gift that keeps on giving as well as the waste area in New Mexico that has/had a leak.  Well turn me over and cook the other side?  hehehehe...sorry.

Quote from: spacemaverick on July 20, 2015, 08:48:09 PM
I cannot vouch for all the links still working but it is there nonetheless.

That's a problem, from what I have seen many news sites have time-limited pages, and some even use the same pages for different news on different dates. :(

Some may be available on the Internet Archive (http://archive.org), but many have a specific "robots" directive to stop sites like the Internet Archive from "crawling" their sites.

This has always been an issue for me and in the past I used to archive webpages of import.  The most recent one  I was searching the Needles UFO cases by George Knapp and they are all gone from KLAS TV 8 and did not show up in any archive, not even their own

This is a problem with copyrights   They don't want you copying them but then they delete them and the story is gone forever

This is the bane of the internet... books can be burned but are more likely to survive.   Take all my work on the Livingmoon... 30 days after the bills are not paid the entire site will be erased

Quote from: spacemaverick on July 20, 2015, 08:05:31 AM
I have lost a number of friends along the way because of some of my opinions.

Quote from: ArMaP on July 20, 2015, 08:39:50 PM
Then they weren't really your friends.

This agree with I can.
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Quote from: space otter on July 19, 2015, 11:07:30 PM
tango smango  who gives a rats ass what those dudes have to say.. if you did you would stay there

When the Earthquake and Tsunami hit Japan there were several of us, myself included, that spent every waking hour tracking the event for well over THREE MONTHS as it unfolded... bringing the best possible sources of real info to the thread. As the situation developed the news media CHANGED THE STORY to try to make it less critical. There were several nuclear engineers in that thread and it is still one of ATS's TOP THREADS

At the beginning everyone watched the thread... we got kudos for the accuracy and speed of the news updates

Who cares what the dudes say? Well those 'dudes and gals'  were us before ATS decided we were getting to popular

I spent 6 years at ATS providing accurate data  Burntheships the same  Dimentional Detective was also one, he disappeared in is likely he was caught in the disaster We were THE top posters at ATS...

So your opinion is your opinion... but I still recall those three months of sleepless nights trying to bring up to date info because we thought people cared

We were wrong... no one cares and soon got bored with it... Since radiation is a slow creepy killer, it doesn't matter. Never mind the lessons of Chernobyl (which needs a new cover) and will be deadly for over 100,000 years...  Never mind that ex Prime Minister Nato Kan CONFIRMED in an apology what we said all along  that the first reactor was in full meltdown 8 hours after the earthquake

It doesn't matter anyway because there is NOTHING we can do about it  NOTHING  We do not have the tech to clean it up and we cannot cover it like they do at Chernobyl.  The Nevada desert where they did the atomic testing... the soli is so contaminated with Plutonium that has a half life of 25,000 years

Thor is a sensationalist No doubt :P  But he CARES...   

Germany has decided to DISMANTLE all their nuclear plants because of Fukushima

Imagine now what will happen when California gets 'the big one'  How many nuke plants are on THAT fault?

And the big one will come... the entire Ring of Fire has been active and producing huge quakes like Japan Chile and Sumatra... it is literally over due on the west coats. That is not fear mongering, it is simply a question of WHEN  not IF

Quoteand again that was not an attack it was an opinion I even made the print larger for you to doublecheck

Yes it was an opinion :P  but screaming in radioactive GREEN is a tad over kill :P 

Quotewell I quit readling those hundred/thousands of your pages ages ago
and
I just did come back with an opinion..
if you missed it it's up above in green

I do not think you read the original threads at ATS :P They are very well presented by all who participated... until people lost interest

I myself rarely post anything on Fukushima... there is no point  No one cares and there is no solution... so let's just forget about it... until the next time

::)

QuoteI am deeply sorry if my OPINION has made you feel attacked...find a way to get over it
and I will not take up any more space here or engage in a flame war.. I have too much respect for Z

Opinions can often be very strong :D  Sometimes the best solution is NOT to engage, though I admit that is not always easy to do :D

Now shake hands and let's get on with it :D

Nicely said Zorgon, nicely said and advice taken!  Thank you.

Quote from: ArMaP on July 20, 2015, 01:52:22 PM
As the link at the end of your post doesn't work I had to search for a source of that information, and, as usual in the case of Fukushima,

There is one thing you need to consider...

MANY times in news reporting the NEWS CHANGES

One case in point is the shooting down of the plane over Pennsylvania... Intial reports said it was shot down,,, there is STILL one youtube of Rumsfeld pupblicly saying it was shot down... but the story changed to heros that fought the pilot and made it crash

During Fukushima there was a CTV interview of a returning Nuclear worker from Toronto. They interviewed him at the airport on his return...

He clearly stated that the reactor #1 CRACKED OPEN right after the earthquake and all the bells went off. The techs then left the building and got into cars and escaped BEFORE the Tsunami hit

He also said that the Tepco staff had LOCKED THEM IN saying they needed to be tested for radiation... They forced the door and got out before the Tsunami hit...  He said he did not know if the Tepco staff made it out

HOWEVER if you look up that video now the part of being locked in has been ERASED  though it still has the comment about whether or not they made it out.

I saved the original... but today the only references to that locking in you will find is my posts

NEWS MEDIA   Lies, they propagandize (legally now) and they erase and change stories...  They give us false flag news and they sensationalize. Even during the Fukushima event the stories coming direct from Japanese news sources on the spot were changing and not reporting accurately.

So to say "prefer original sources" is a red herring when the original sources are not presenting the facts

Sure the non mainstream media exaggerates as well  so all we can do is try to sort it out from using MANY sources.

I do not know how many of you saw Nato Kan's apology ( he sent it by video rather than appear in person)  but it CONFIRMED everything we said


You do not need to be an EXPERT on nuclear anything to look at a picture and see with your own eyes that containment was IMPOSSIBLE with all the pipes strewn around between the buildings once you see that there was NO HEAT EXCHANGER in the system

Quote from: spacemaverick on July 20, 2015, 10:00:28 PM
PDF file....

You can send it to me and I can upload it to the server

standauffish@earthlink.net

Quote from: zorgon on July 20, 2015, 09:44:54 PM
Dimentional Detective was also one, he disappeared in is likely he was caught in the disaster

I remember his excellent threads of which there were many. Since leaving Tango (being thrown out actually) I haven't kept up over there at all. Although I do peek in every now and then.

Oh yeah... I digress:

Dimensional Detective disappeared? That's very sad news to hear. He was one of the good guys.

Quote from: this_is_who_we_are on July 20, 2015, 10:14:03 PM
Dimensional Detective disappeared? That's very sad news to hear. He was one of the good guys

Yes... someone checked up on that and it appears that he was 'boots on the ground" in Japan at the time... No word from him since that time. I don't recall who it was that mentioned it but it seems he may have passed in that disaster. Protoplasmic Traveler was also banned LOL He stopped in here briefly then did his own forum. Not heard from him in some years but then I haven't popped in on him either

I could never understand the mentality of ATS  to prop up the handful of true content providers  and then ban them when they get to the top...

and then use those awesome threads to promote ATS

LOL

Quote from: zorgon on July 20, 2015, 10:04:29 PM
So to say "prefer original sources" is a red herring when the original sources are not presenting the facts

It's not a red herring, it's what I want, regardless of how right that original source is/was, as that shows me what they said. And I prefer to start from the beginning instead of looking at a source that may be second or third hand information, without any way of knowing who may have "spiked" that information with what they wanted the target audience to see or who may have removed things that were not convenient to be seen by the target audience.

If the end story doesn't match the original source then we can look for the changes from version to version and we may not only get closer to the real information but we may also see who changed what, and so we get information those that did the changes.

Quote from: zorgon on July 20, 2015, 11:30:31 PM
I could never understand the mentality of ATS  to prop up the handful of true content providers  and then ban them when they get to the top...

:-X

;)

Z, it was me that started the search for DD; Armap checked and his last post was only a short while before the tsunami hit... I haven't heard a word, had an email or message from my friend since that day, and yes, he was in northern Japan...

@Armap: from the time Fukin'shima happened until it just became impossible to keep up with, Zorgon,  Burntheships, and myself amongst others like The Redneck were major-ly involved in that thread on spookz; all you need do is go back and look at the pics posted showing reactors 1,2,and 3; the whole damn top blew off of #3 and is lying in plain sight some yards away from the body of the vessel...

Containment??? only of the truth about what actually happened...


seeker

Quote from: the seeker on July 21, 2015, 02:42:59 AM
@Armap: from the time Fukin'shima happened until it just became impossible to keep up with, Zorgon,  Burntheships, and myself amongst others like The Redneck were major-ly involved in that thread on spookz; all you need do is go back and look at the pics posted showing reactors 1,2,and 3; the whole damn top blew off of #3 and is lying in plain sight some yards away from the body of the vessel...

Containment??? only of the truth about what actually happened...

Did I say that it didn't happen or that it was contained?

These items may be of interest:

Release of Radioactive Substances into the Sea and International Law: The Japanese Experience in the Course of Nuclear Disaster
- Yukari Takamura
"The International Law of Disaster Relief"
ediited by David D. Carson, Michael J. Kelly, Anastasia Telesetsky
Cambridge University Press, 2014
https://books.google.com/books?id=Ai8DBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA89&dq=editions:ISBN1107665604&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q=editions%3AISBN1107665604&f=false



Gov't Official: Chilling report from Pacific Ocean... "Silence on the seas" — "Quite literally, there isn't any fish" — Japan Professor: Fukushima posing reproduction risk to marine life, ongoing concern over bio-accumulation of radioactive material
Published: July 21st, 2015 at 9:16 pm ET
http://enenews.com/govt-official-chilling-report-pacific-ocean-silence-seas-very-very

Quote"Senator Penelope Wright, Parliament of Australia, Mar 5, 2015 (emphasis added): "Like many others, I read an article in 2013 by Ivan Macfadyen called 'The ocean is broken'. It was published in The Sydney Morning Herald... He is an experienced sailor, so he had the ability to compare his experience then with... other trips. It was chilling. It was heartbreaking really. He had noticed changes in the last years. Basically, he was confronted by the silence that he heard, the silence on the seas, and he realised that this was attributable to the fact that they saw very, very few birds. They also caught very few fish... two fish."

CBC: We all thought we're doomed from Fukushima, it's "going to spread across Pacific and they'll be no fish and the sea life will be dead" — Professor: It's releasing radioisotopes directly into ocean as we speak and we can't predict when it will end; An ongoing disaster, reactors not under control
Published: August 17th, 2014 at 6:09 pm ET
http://enenews.com/cbc-all-felt-doomed-fukushima-spreading-across-pacific-theyll-be-fish-sea-life-will-be-dead-professor-releasing-radioisotopes-directly-ocean-speak-sight-reactors-control-ongoing-disaster-audio-vid



TV: Mystery 'green goo' decimating fishing on West Coast — "Like ectoplasm in Ghostbusters" — Experts: "About as severe as we could ever anticipate... Lot of unusual things going on" — "We're not catching any fish... Never as bad as right now... Almost non-existent... Worst season ever"
Published: July 20th, 2015 at 9:40 pm ET
http://enenews.com/tv-like-ectoplasm-ghostbusters-major-problem-west-coast-fishermen-pulling-thick-blankets-slime-instead-fish-experts-about-severe-could-anticipate-lot-unusual-going-catching-fish-never-bad



Fukushima Accident — Contamination of the Environment, IRSN (at 7:30 in): The Fukushima accident resulted in the largest release of radioactive substances every observed over a short period of time... The ocean currents disperse the radioactive pollutants away from Japan and towards the coast of the United States. Nevertheless, the area close to the shore of Fukushima is likely to remain polluted... Watch the film here:
http://www.irsn.fr/EN/publications/thematic-safety/fukushima/Pages/2-fukushima-understanding-environment.aspx

How about THIS one? (Thanks A51 )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HwPOQXKvSg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=10&v=1HwPOQXKvSg

Yeah this one appears to have unsettling implications -

The jet stream(s) appears to have no problem carrying quite a dose not only across the Pacific, but as far east as Ontario as well. It is then reasonable to assume that covering the relatively small remaining distance to the east coast is quite likely.

The next question is then - just how tenacious are these jet steams and clouds?  Could they possibly make the journey across the Atlantic?

The jet streams don't have any problem crossing the Atlantic or the Pacific, the only thing that may make them less of a "radiation/pollution highway" is their altitude.

US Gov't Expert: Fukushima is always on people's minds... a lot of concern and worry about radiation's role in unusual marine deaths — Reports of shrunken or enlarged organs, black kidneys, sores on liver, slime in mouth, discolored skin — Mortality in intertidal zone like "we haven't seen before" (VIDEO)
Published: August 11th, 2015 at 12:40 am ET
By ENENews
http://enenews.com/govt-expert-fukushima-always-peoples-minds-lot-concern-about-radiations-role-unusual-marine-deaths-reports-shrunken-enlarged-internal-organs-blackened-kidneys-sores-liver-slime-coming-mouth-discolo

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Gay Sheffield, NOAA Sea Grant (US Dept. of Commerce) marine advisory agent, July 2014 at 31:00 in (emphasis added): "I'm here in Bering Strait and I know there's people [on this call] from all over the state, so they may not be familiar with some of our events.


A long list of unusual events soon after Fukushima may explain why it's "always on people's minds" in Alaska:


Nanwalek, AK... Change in barnacle numbers raises harvest questions... Above normal amounts of barnacles [have] fallen from the coastal rocks. They are concerned about the amount of change in the shellfish... We have not seen this before and... are worried about the safety of chitons and shellfish to eat.

Shishmaref, AK... Discolored seal with sores on side flipper... Hopefully this seal will bring us closer to understanding what may be causing the illness and disease that our marine mammals are being affected by... [Another seal] came from Russia, colored orange.

Shishmaref, AK... Unusual bearded seal... slime within the mouth... upon butchering there was hardly any fat... the liver was described as small... approximately 1/2 the size of a normal liver... kidney was approximately twice as big as the other... the bigger kidney had the appearance of darker color, and also most black... [sores] on the liver and kidney.
Old Harbor, AK... Three dead whales...This is an unusual sighting for us.

McDonald Spit, AK... Intertidal zone barnacle mortality... The fauna on the intertidal rocks seems to decreased... A lot of the large barnacle shells are empty... [We] are concerned and curious what caused this change.

St. George, AK... Two marine mammal carcasses were found... I'm getting out information so if other dead mammals are spotted... we could get a better understanding

Nome, AK... Beached decaying grey whale washed up

Elim, AK... Several sightings of dead baby belugas... over the past few days. There is at least two more baby belugas washed up on the beach... we don't see stranded ones very often... We are concerned... and wonder why they occur.

Moses Point, AK ... dead beluga whale.

Old Harbor, AK... Dead humpback whale... Our concern has to do with the impact it might have to our subsistence lifestyle. It is unusual to find so many dead whales.

Saint George, AK... Red colored water observed in harbor... The community members who brought this to my attention said they haven't seen anything like this.

Quote from: A51Watcher on July 23, 2015, 05:10:02 AM

Yeah this one appears to have unsettling implications -

The jet stream(s) appears to have no problem carrying quite a dose not only across the Pacific, but as far east as Ontario as well. It is then reasonable to assume that covering the relatively small remaining distance to the east coast is quite likely.

The next question is then - just how tenacious are these jet steams and clouds?  Could they possibly make the journey across the Atlantic?

Quote from: thorfourwinds on August 11, 2015, 04:44:04 PM

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10005/Fuku_Fallout_Forecast_580~0.jpg)

What's that supposed to show?