Petroglyph Found on Mars?
It sucks that all our anomaly hunters went POOF and we need to find these goodies second hand :P
(https://scontent.flas1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11800375_957112794310018_7477780034536011751_n.png?oh=995667e02c2539b89fe746a8254de6d9&oe=564124F2)
NASA RAW Image
(http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/00710/mcam/0710MR0030150070402501E01_DXXX.jpg)
http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/00710/mcam/0710MR0030150070402501E01_DXXX.jpg
http://mars.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/?rawid=0710MR0030150070402501E01_DXXX&s=710
(http://thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars6/Curiosity/Petroglyph/Clip_001.png)
http://thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Mars_Images_77_Petroglyph.html
That does not look like a rock.
8)
Found something which has some similarities. However, the lack of water doesnt back this up. ;D
(http://images.viralnova.com/000/031/106/weird-animals20.jpg)
Aww it's a cute little baby Sarlacc... :P
(http://ca.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2012930/1024.12sw.ls.103012.jpg)
Do we know the size of that object? It looks almost nest like to me.
An interesting feature, but as often is the case with anomalies, this anomaly really cannot be seen well enough to actually see it for what it is. It does have features that give it a look of being something other than a rock! :)
Thanks for posting it anyway. As to your other comment........not all anomaly hunters have "went poof", as you say. But, if you will look back on some of the "what I consider numerous major Mars anomaly posts" here, you won't find much recognition of them, nor interest in them. I am a little surprised that newer members who might be interested in Mars anomalies do not at times also post replies/comment on some of our existing anomaly posts - maybe they don't understand that is ok to do that too, if they would like to express their thoughts about them.
From the less compressed (and apparently white balanced) IMG file, resized by me to 300% without resampling:
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/0710mr0030150070402501e01_drcl_lbl_cub_1.png)
Hmm, looks almost like a lion; has four legs visible, what appears to be a full mane surrounding the head along with the approximate shape and features of a lion's face...
interesting...
seeker
Well, this subject has made Breitbart News, which even has a typical/expected type comment from Seth Shostak, a comment similar to one he gave to me directly, while discussing a different type of anomaly in the past. :)
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/03/huffpo-mars-has-crabs/
Quote from: ArMaP on August 03, 2015, 09:01:14 PM
From the less compressed (and apparently white balanced) IMG file, resized by me to 300% without resampling:
So the artifact what ever it IS ... is actually there... not pareidolia... not jpeg artifacts :P
Quote from: rdunk on August 04, 2015, 09:58:35 PM
which even has a typical/expected type comment from Seth Shostak, a comment similar to one he gave to me directly, while discussing a different type of anomaly in the past. :)
he said, "Seth Shostak, Senior Astronomer and Director of the Center for SETI Research, said he gets images showing formations such as this one about once a week."
This guy is an idiot. How can such a joke be involved in SETI? I think I need to call him out. Someone get me this schmucks email
>:(
Okay found him!!!
I am going to get him!
(http://www.seti.org/sites/default/files/styles/general-image-profile/public/seth-shostak.jpeg?itok=JS-y0CTq)
QuoteSeth Shostak
Senior Astronomer and Director, Center for SETI Research
sshostak@seti.org
Big Picture Science Radio Show (hosted by Seth)
Phone: 650-960-4530
Seth claims to have developed an interest in extraterrestrial life at the tender age of ten, when he first picked up a book about the solar system. This innocent beginning eventually led to a degree in radio astronomy, and now, as Senior Astronomer, Seth is an enthusiastic participant in the Institute's SETI observing programs. He also heads up the International Academy of Astronautics' SETI Permanent Study Group.
In addition, Seth is keen on outreach activities: interesting the public – and especially young people – in science in general, and astrobiology in particular. He's co-authored a college textbook on astrobiology, and continues to write trade books on SETI. In addition, he's published nearly 300 popular articles on science, gives many dozens of talks annually, and is the host of the SETI Institute's weekly science radio show, "Big Picture Science" And, as might be evident from this overly effusive bio, he is also editor of the Institute's Explorer magazine.
http://www.seti.org/seti-institute/staff/seth-shostak
Quote from: zorgon on August 04, 2015, 10:38:44 PM
Okay found him!!!
I am going to get him!
(http://www.seti.org/sites/default/files/styles/general-image-profile/public/seth-shostak.jpeg?itok=JS-y0CTq)
http://www.seti.org/seti-institute/staff/seth-shostak
This phony is a tool. The guys full of it and his face gives his foolishness away to us who can see the truth. He's a tool.
Dear Mr Shostak
I am writing you in response to your lack of interest in the latest 'anomaly' found on Mars... namely the one attached below
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars6/Curiosity/Petroglyph/Clip_002.png)
Before I get into that I would like to share with you an article and a letter...
We should scour the moon for ancient traces of aliens, say scientists
"Online volunteers could be set task of spotting alien technology, evidence of mining and rubbish heaps in moon images"
"Prof Paul Davies and Robert Wagner at Arizona State University argue that images of the moon and other information collected by scientists for their research should be scoured for signs of alien intervention. The proposal aims to complement other hunts for alien life, such as the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (Seti), which draws on data from radio telescopes to scour the heavens for messages beamed into space by alien civilizations.
"Although there is only a tiny probability that alien technology would have left traces on the moon in the form of an artefact or surface modification of lunar features, this location has the virtue of being close, and of preserving traces for an immense duration," the scientists write in a paper published online in the journal Acta Astronautica.
"If it costs little to scan data for signs of intelligent manipulation, little is lost in doing so, even though the probability of detecting alien technology at work may be exceedingly low," they add."
<Snipped>
"An alternative approach would be to send tens of thousands of amateur enthusiasts images over the internet for examination, though this could lead to disagreements over what constituted an unusual, and potentially alien, feature."
SOURCE: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/dec/25/scour-moon-ancient-traces-aliens
Also covered by the Huffington Post
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/12/26/aliens-moon-acta-astronautica-seti-nasa-
The news spread like wild fire around the net... only to lead to yet another disapointment
I also bring to your attention an article by SETI On Lunar Archeology.
"In 1992, the Search for Alien Artifacts on the Moon (SAAM) — the first privately-organized archaeological reconnaissance of the Moon — was initiated. The justifications of lunar SETI, the wording of specific principles of lunar archaeology, and the search for promising areas on the Moon were the first stage of the project (1992-95). Preliminary results of lunar exploration6 show that the search for alien artifacts on the Moon is a promising SETI strategy, especially in the context of lunar colonization plans.
SOURCE: The Society for Planetary SETI Research (SPSR)
SOURCE: New Frontiers in Science, Vol. 1 No. 2, Winter 2002 PDF Detailed HERE on our site
So based on those premises, we offered our services as 'amateurs' to seek out interesting anomalies on the Moon and Mars from images provided by NASA. And we wrote the team to do so... They had even published a PAPER on this so we thought they were serious...
http://www.public.asu.edu/~rvwagner/
Searching for alien artifacts on the moon
My Letter:
Letter to ASU
Greetings Dr Davies.
I am contacting you on behalf of our group in regards to this article;
We should scour the moon for ancient traces of aliens, say scientists
Looking for anomalies on the Moon and on Mars is something our group has been doing for many years. When we saw the announcement that you are seriously considering having amateurs look for such items to see if there might be any Alien artifacts on the Moon... well all I can say is we were stunned. For decades those of us that have looked seriously have been ridiculed and called nut cases. Despite that we have continued to look, mostly because it is interesting and fun.
There are images that one can clearly put down to pareidolia, some are most likely odd rock formations, but some are just too odd and interesting to brush off. If you are indeed serious about this we would love the opportunity to participate, as we are already doing it anyway. And we have already had interaction with ASU, indirectly. The first time was when Mark Robinson moved from North Western University to ASU. Someone linked us to the Color Clementine images before they were moved and a few weeks before USGS released their 'Map-a-Planet' site. At the time we were posting on ATS and created a popular thread on those images
Revealed for the First Time Color Images of the Moon from Clementine Satellite
Patricia Garcia of USGS even wrote a thank you to me for making the opening day such a success by the number of hits we generated.
The second time was when one of my team put in a request for LRO to look at the Tsiolkovsky Crater region.. particularly the lobate land mass that appeared to be recent movement. Yes we were seeking signs of activity, as in perhaps mining operations, but we put the request in for 'geological reasons'... looking for disturbed and/or moving rocks. The LRO did shoot that area about a week later and we found many moving rocks in the area... ;D
It is our belief that there are things going on on the Moon, whether secret operations, alien artifacts or something else. Since all we have to work with is NASA images, and most of our systems being window based, it does limit us in the search.
I imagine also that an announcement like this will likely swamp you with people sending stuff they think is important. But we are serious and very interested. Our forum is located at http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php. We have areas set up to be more private to avoid the trolls. If you could stop by and say hi, it would be greatly appreciated. We really would like to know more about what triggered this request. Understand that after years of ridicule, we find this idea coming from ASU a little bit of a shock, though a most welcome one.
No matter what we may or may not find, the search is important to us.
I would like to start off with one picture in particular, one that has even some hard core skeptics baffled and is easy to spot in the original without enhancements
The original image from Apollo
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-41-6156HR.jpg
The object
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/AS11_41_6156/Structure01B.png
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/AS11_41_6156/Structure01A.png
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/AS11_41_6156/Structure02a.png
The Location
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/AS11_41_6156/AS11-41-6156_Circled-Area.JPG
We would love to have a look at that crater with LRO
We have others but I will start with that one to see how we fare with this project. We naturally hope you are serious, and in reality you have little to lose except a bit of time looking over our finds. We will do the best we can to screen our best case finds. There were a lot in the old Lunar Orbiter series, despite the fact that those photos also had a lot of processing errors, and we have found some odd things in a few LRO images as well
We look forward to working with you on this project
Sincerely
Ron Schmidt
Pegasus Research Consortium
Las Vegas Nevada
The response was rather discouraging. Many of our members made comments similar to THIS one...
"This is hard to believe. After all the ridicule now they might ask for volunteers? They could have asked before!"
and THIS one;
"In my experience, if it sounds too good to be true it probably is. I can't see them giving up any pictures that are of any significance IMO. What would be the reason to allow this now?"
Well seems they were right!
Letter from Prof Davies Secretary:
From: Carol Hughes
Subject: RE: We should scour the moon for ancient traces of aliens, say scientists
Mr. Schmidt,
You had copied me on your email to Prof. Davies, who sent the response below and asked if I would forward it to you, along with a copy of the paper, which is attached.
Best,
Carol Hughes
Public Relations
FROM PROF. DAVIES:
Thank you for your interest in our paper (attached). If you read the paper, rather than the news commentary, I think you will see that what we are hypothesizing is very different from what you suggest. First, we think there is no evidence at this time of any life beyond Earth, let alone intelligent life. My own position was argued in detail in my book The Eerie Silence. However, if we take the optimistic view that there are at least some planets in our galaxy on which intelligent life may have arisen, the possibility of alien technology in the solar system arises. We have in mind a probe, or a robotic mission. Given that the solar system is only 4.5 billion years old, whereas the galaxy is 13 billion years old, the probability per unit time of such a "visitation" is roughly constant over the lifetime of the Earth. Therefore, the expected time for a probe to arrive is about 2 billion years ago. In our paper we make the more optimistic assumption that a "visitation" might occur 100 million years ago. The probability of aliens, or probes, arriving during the time of human habitation on Earth is infinitesimally small. Therefore, we are most certainly not claiming that there are aliens living on the moon (or Mars) at this time, only that some trace of a "visitation" up to 100 million years old might survive in lunar conditions. They would not survive in Martian conditions due to weathering. Even so, we consider that any visitation of any sort is exceedingly unlikely. Our interest is in whether it is detectable, and how this fascinating idea may be used as an educational tool to interest young people in science.
We have not arranged any systematic search of the LRO database; it is our intention to let an organization like the SETI Institute take the lead on that, so I am simply not in a position to accept your kind offer of assistance, to evaluate the photographs you have already assembled. I hope this brief reply is helpful to you.
With regards,
Paul Davies
Well that's that then... though I will contact SETI and see what they say... and if they will have access to the LRO database as the Prof. says. I will upload the paper shortly... at least it was a free copy
So I wrote SETI... sent to three departments. NEVER received a reply not even a "Not Interested"
Quite frankly I cannot comprehend how an image like the one below, merely enlarged from a NASA full resolution image on their own website can NOT be of interest to anyone... especially those claiming to be actively seeking Alien presence
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/AS11_41_6156/Structure02a.png)
Then we get the Martain "critter" and we get the same old rethoric. The Martian 'anomaly in that picture is not pareidolia nor is it an image artifact. And common person without photo editing skills can simply blow up the area and see it, (like the one in the Lunar crater above. So why is this being brushed off? Surely its not a monster, but it IS interesting.
In your Bio HERE it says "In addition, Seth is keen on outreach activities: interesting the public – and especially young people" yet in reality when the public IS interested in something, no matter the explanation. you simply dismiss them as nuts.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars6/Curiosity/Petroglyph/Clip_002.png)
I had previous occasion to contact another member of SETI, Dr Ragbir Bhathal "LASER like Signal Discovered" and had favorable response. We ARE interested and try to maintain some sanity.
To be sure a lot of things people post is pareidolia and that can waste a lot of time, but at the same time why stir up the pot with such an announcement only to slap people in the face when the enthusiasm is created?
As to radio telescopes.... do you signal seekers take into account that the planets move at several million miles per hour in several directions? That if you get a 'blip' (like the Wow signal) that may be artificial, that by the time you look for it not knowing which vector that 'blip' is moving in, how can you reacquire that signal?
And considering all the supposed UFO activity in and around Earth, has SETI ever thought to look for more local 'ship to ship' communications?
Quite frankly it seems to me that SETI is just a big waste of money... with people involved that really don't want to find aliens... in fact as Prof Davies said... "First, we think there is no evidence at this time of any life beyond Earth, let alone intelligent life." I suspect that his position on this is likely wide spread.
Prove me wrong
Sincerely
Ron Schmidt
Pegasus Research Consortium
Las Vegas Nevada
Quote from: Gigas on August 04, 2015, 11:40:06 PM
This phony is a tool. The guys full of it and his face gives his foolishness away to us who can see the truth. He's a tool.
I have the feeling all (or most) SETI "Scientists" are tools. As posted in the letter above I did find two who are sincere Dr Ragbir Bhathal (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/SETI_LASER_like_Signal_Discovered.html), an astrophysicist at the University of Western Sydney and Dr. Alexey V. Arkhipov (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Mars_Images_24.html) is a researcher at the Institute of Radio Astronomy, National Academy of Sciences of the Ukraine, and an Assistant professor at National Kharkov University
Quote from: zorgon on August 04, 2015, 10:25:54 PM
So the artifact what ever it IS ... is actually there... not pareidolia... not jpeg artifacts :P
Yes, it's there, although with a few JPEG artefacts, as the original photos are taken with JPEG compression.
That letter is too long, I doubt he (or anyone else) will read it. If I were you I would just send him a short question (and maybe an invitation to the forum, but you already called him an idiot :P).
When I approached Seth Shostak about an anomaly a couple of years ago, he pretty much directly said that if I wanted anyone in the technical field to even take a look at it, then I would need to write up a detailed paper, and get it published in an appropriate publication in the community. Only then might somebody even take a look at it! He exhibited absolutely no real interest at all in the anomaly/alien life arena.
He did actually reply to my email, but it likely was more to put me in my place, rather than his intent to express any interest, and certainly not to be of any help in any real search for evidence of actual alien life or intelligent design! >:( >:( >:(
I was very surprised by Seth's response, because I chose to contact him on the basis of what I thought were very supportive comments about him by others relative to his spacial and alien life interests. :o :o
So Z, don't be too surprised if you find him to still present himself likewise!! :)
PS - My supposition is, I think there remains considerable interest in FUNDING $$$$ needed to support SETI and all such related activities. And having people in various positions like Seth, for meetings and conferences, wherein the need for funds can be identified for Berkley/SETI and the who-so-evers that are dependent upon such funds to keep their jobs can be openly expressed. So, for some, like Seth, they do have to appear to be interested in the alien/ufo field, at least for the right folks/$$$ !!!
Quote from: ArMaP on August 05, 2015, 01:39:41 AM
Yes, it's there, although with a few JPEG artefacts, as the original photos are taken with JPEG compression.
Well GREAT Since we are experts at identifying jpeg artifacts and ArMaP has said it IS there :P Now we can try to figure out what IT is :D
Quote from: rdunk on August 05, 2015, 03:43:56 AM
When I approached Seth Shostak about an anomaly a couple of years ago, he pretty much directly said that if I wanted anyone in the technical field to even take a look at it, then I would need to write up a detailed paper, and get it published in an appropriate publication in the community. Only then might somebody even take a look at it! He exhibited absolutely no real interest at all in the anomaly/alien life arena.
Precisely my point and thoughts.
QuoteHe did actually reply to my email, but it likely was more to put me in my place, rather than his intent to express any interest, and certainly not to be of any help in any real search for evidence of actual alien life or intelligent design!
Yes some of these so called 'scientists' are the worst closed minded people on the planet and they take the Holier Than Thou attitude and talk down to people
Do you still have this letter?
QuoteI was very surprised by Seth's response, because I chose to contact him on the basis of what I thought were very supportive comments about him by others relative to his spacial and alien life interests. :o :o
Based on his bio I too am surprised and he IS the Director of SETI... and they rely on DONATIIONS from the public
QuoteSo Z, don't be too surprised if you find him to still present himself likewise!! :)
I EXPECT he will IF he even answers. I would like a copy of that reply to you
QuotePS - My supposition is, I think there remains considerable interest in FUNDING $$$$ needed to support SETI and all such related activities. And having people in various positions like Seth, for meetings and conferences, wherein the need for funds can be identified for Berkley/SETI and the who-so-evers that are dependent upon such funds to keep their jobs can be openly expressed. So, for some, like Seth, they do have to appear to be interested in the alien/ufo field, at least for the right folks/$$$ !!!
Well our website reaches 35,000 unique hits a month on average Most viewers of Pegasus take us seriously and do follow what we do...
Perhaps it is time to USE that power and bring this crap into the spotlight
I will wait until I get a reply... After that I will post that entire conversation with links from the VINDICATION thread on how they string everyone along.
I will then start a massive email campaign to SHARE that page with anyone who will listen... I will name names :P Because they already attached their names to it there will be no issues. Lets see how their funding is effected AFTER the people discover that NONE of them truly believe in Aliens and are just sucking in the cash and probably laughing at the gullible public
Quote from: zorgon on August 05, 2015, 05:24:36 AM
Now we can try to figure out what IT is :D
Proof of life on mars. :-X
Quote from: Ellirium113 on August 03, 2015, 02:39:54 PM
Aww it's a cute little baby Sarlacc... :P
(http://ca.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2012930/1024.12sw.ls.103012.jpg)
Well DANG! Maybe LOL
Or, it could be this.
(http://s7.postimg.org/5x7fzdjpn/Ancients_repository_of_knowledge_small.jpg)
After stopping to stare, it does this
(http://s10.postimg.org/ek7qh7595/Sg1_download_small.jpg)
Sucks your brain out and deposits something new.
Quote from: Gigas on August 05, 2015, 07:44:16 PM
Or, it could be this.
(http://s7.postimg.org/5x7fzdjpn/Ancients_repository_of_knowledge_small.jpg)
Only if it's a much smaller version, this thing appears to be just a few centimetres high.
QuoteAfter stopping to stare, it does this
(http://s10.postimg.org/ek7qh7595/Sg1_download_small.jpg)
Sucks your brain out and deposits something new.
In some cases that may be a good thing. :P
QuoteOnly if it's a much smaller version, this thing appears to be just a few centimetres high.
Ah thanks for that, I have been wondering the size all along. That is much smaller then I was thinking though.
ide guess it was around 3 feet across, if you look at the panorama ...well, a better gauge can be felt :D
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