Back again to Rover Opportunity at the Mars Nereus Crater for more anomalous items. There are numerous real anomalies at this crater, and here are two more.
I am posting a screen shot that depicts three bright/white objects. Each of these white objects is very different in appearance. These caught my eye, and they are apparent whether or not using magnification.
Also, I am posting by screenshot a significantly different black object in the same Nereus Crater area, that has features that are indicative of some sort of intelligent design. Look at this closely, even with a magnifying glass, to see the intricate details. This object has the appearance of being a part of something, as it has various 3-dimentional aspects, with vertical features/posts, and slotted/groove features.
I am simply posting these for your reviews, thoughts, and comments, as these are indescribably different. Here is a direct link to a Rover Opportunity photo that has both of these showing.
As a reminder, this crater is an area where there are other major anomalies that have been posted here previously, one including the Mars Reptilian Humanoid Cadaver!
These Rover Opportunity photos are from Mars Sol Day 2010
http://areo.info/mer/opportunity/2010/1P306625552EFFA600P2410L5M1_L2L5L5L7L7.jpg
(http://s8.postimg.org/3la1wp67p/3_White_Objects_w_locator_Screen_Shot_2015_08_07.jpg)
(http://s8.postimg.org/heu9rdqd1/Black_Object_w_Locator_Screen_Shot_2015_08_08_at.jpg)
(http://s4.postimg.org/mvr9xn7ot/Black_Object_Black_7_White_w_Locator_Screen_Shot.jpg)
What's strange about them? ???
Here are those two areas from the radiometrically corrected version.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/1p306625463rada600p2410l2c1_2.png)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/1p306625463rada600p2410l2c1_3.png)
And here's the whole image.
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/1p306625463rada600p2410l2c1.png) (http://s141.photobucket.com/user/armap/media/1p306625463rada600p2410l2c1.png.html)
Quote from: ArMaP on August 09, 2015, 12:16:54 PM
What's strange about them? ???
Here are those two areas from the radiometrically corrected version.
armap, in "your corrected version", the pics are not as clear as as are those I posted. Relative to "What is strange about them", they are anomalous to the rest of what is there in the photo. Especially the black object (more obvious), as it has very specific "not just a rock" features that can be clearly seen, with or without a magnifying glass. These features include "several" perfectly round small vertical (to us) posts, and includes other specific cuts/grooves. I do not know what this is, but by its look, it must be a small piece of some sort of intelligently designed object. ???
(http://s8.postimg.org/3la1wp67p/3_White_Objects_w_locator_Screen_Shot_2015_08_07.jpg)
rdunk, perhaps it is just my old eyes, but directly under the middle yellow line you have in the pic above I seen a distinct face that resembles a chipmunk or other small creature, complete with ears, eyes, nose, mouth, eyebrow ridges...
good and interesting find no matter what it actually is, since we don't have more than the pics to go by...
seeker
The second object the dark one, does look very "parts like' the front ring area especially interesting, but looking at the rock/rocks in the bottom foreground in the NASA picture you see it is covered by nubs in rows and some of the small rocks have protrusions similar.
Quote from: rdunk on August 09, 2015, 05:41:57 PM
armap, in "your corrected version", the pics are not as clear as as are those I posted.
The "not as clear" is a result of the images you posted having too much contrast, something many people do because it makes more defined edges but that removes information from the image, as is mostly visible in the "black object", that is just the part of that rock that's in the shade.
QuoteRelative to "What is strange about them", they are anomalous to the rest of what is there in the photo.
Maybe in the exaggeratedly contrasted version.
QuoteEspecially the black object (more obvious), as it has very specific "not just a rock" features that can be clearly seen, with or without a magnifying glass.
What, the JPEG artefacts?
QuoteThese features include "several" perfectly round small vertical (to us) posts, and includes other specific cuts/grooves.
That's what too much contrast does to JPEG artefacts.
QuoteI do not know what this is, but by its look, it must be a small piece of some sort of intelligently designed object. ???
No, the only intelligence there is from the people that created the JPEG compression method. ;)
Here are the images I posted before but after some level adjustments.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/1p306625463rada600p2410l2c1_2a.png)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/1p306625463rada600p2410l2c1_3a.png)
Quote from: Dyna on August 09, 2015, 06:13:04 PM
The second object the dark one, does look very "parts like' the front ring area especially interesting, but looking at the rock/rocks in the bottom foreground in the NASA picture you see it is covered by nubs in rows and some of the small rocks have protrusions similar.
Dyna, I see nothing else in the full Rover photo that resembles the features/"protrusions" on this black object. Could you please post pics of the "small rocks" which you are referring to??
Quote from: ArMaP on August 09, 2015, 06:44:47 PM
Here are the images I posted before but after some level adjustments.
armap, things would work equally well/better, if you would simply comment on what you see or don't see in an anomaly post, rather than attempting to change photos for whatever are you reasons, skeptic or otherwise. The NASA photos I posted are fine for anomaly determinations on this, but we do not yet know what you see in the posted photos!!
Quote from: rdunk on August 10, 2015, 01:50:29 AM
armap, things would work equally well/better, if you would simply comment on what you see or don't see in an anomaly post, rather than attempting to change photos for whatever are you reasons, skeptic or otherwise.
I thought my question about "what is wrong with them" would be enough to understand that I see them as simple Martian rocks, not different from the others on that photo.
And no, I do not "attempt to change photos", I either change or do not change, and when I do I say what I did, and I do it so people can see the best possible version of the photo.
QuoteThe NASA photos I posted are fine for anomaly determinations on this, but we do not yet know what you see in the posted photos!!
You could start by getting things right, as the colour image you posted is not a NASA photo. Those colour images are created by Holger Isenberg with the NASA photos posted on the JPL Marsrovers Gallery (http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/). The method Holger Isenberg uses tries to compensate the fact that the filters used on the Mars rovers have a small bandwidth, so they do not catch the full red, green and blue ranges of the Sun's light.
NASA's (or whoever does the processing, identified by one letter in the image name) radiometrically corrected images use a different system (based on the calibration data they have for the cameras) to achieve the equivalent result for the individual greyscale images for each channel, so that's the ones I usually use.
As the processed (radiometrically corrected or just converted from the original raw format (not the format posted on the JPL Marsrovers Gallery, those are JPEG images with automatic contrast and brightness applied)) are only posted on the PDS every three month or so, only images older than those 3 months are available, but in this case the images are from some years ago, so they are available either on the PDS or on the Analyst's Notebook (http://an.rsl.wustl.edu/), from where I got it.
I downloaded the IMG version of the radiometrically corrected photo and only changed the levels to make the photo look closer to what the images you posted look (too much contrast), but I did it without exaggerating the contrast, so no image data was lost.
So, after all that, what I see in the photos?
In the images you posted, rocks with JPEG artefacts. In the images I posted, rocks without JPEG artefacts.
Edited to add the raw image, converted from the IMG file with NASAview.
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/1p306625463effa600p2410l2c1.gif) (http://s141.photobucket.com/user/armap/media/1p306625463effa600p2410l2c1.gif.html)
I used image 1p306625463effa600p2410l2c1 for both the radiometrically corrected and raw versions.
armap said, "You could start by getting things right, as the colour image you posted is not a NASA photo".
Armap, you are funny, and you do go to extremes to try and to make your normal skeptic contribution. You can talk all you wish to about how you deal with NASA photos for whatever are your reasons. The bottom line on this OP is, the basic black and white NASA photos (without your changes) likewise show the features of the anomalies as is in the colorized pics I posted. That is even absolutely obvious in the OP, as I purposely posted for the black anomaly both a colorized pic and the natural NASA black and white pic - the anomalous features are fairly easy to see identically in both the color and the black and white.
I am sorry that you cannot see the anomalous features on the black anomaly. The white objects are a little crazy looking anyway - almost a ghostly appearance, but I considered them interesting, and that is why I included them as seemingly anomalous! But that black thing.........nope, not a jpeg artifact, as you say!
I did forget to post the link to the basic NASA B/W photo in the OP, so I will add that here, for anyone who would like to see that too.
http://mars.nasa.gov/mer/gallery/all/1/p/2010/1P306625463EFFA600P2410L2M1.JPG
(http://s12.postimg.org/aduz4h3fx/B_W_Screen_Shot_2015_08_10_at_10_26_22_AM.png)
Quote from: rdunk on August 09, 2015, 11:11:40 PM
Dyna, I see nothing else in the full Rover photo that resembles the features/"protrusions" on this black object. Could you please post pics of the "small rocks" which you are referring to??
Actually most of the rocks in the photo seem to me to have many of the same type of nubs or protrusions looking at them and their shadows.
The white rock in the center seems to have a weird hole in it unless I am mistaken.
Anyway like this one in front
(http://i1167.photobucket.com/albums/q621/dyna145/nub%20rock_zpsh9izygrq.jpg)
Quote from: rdunk on August 10, 2015, 04:48:41 PM
Armap, you are funny, and you do go to extremes to try and to make your normal skeptic contribution.
No extremes needed, and my contribution was more technical than anything else.
QuoteYou can talk all you wish to about how you deal with NASA photos for whatever are your reasons.
It was supposed to help you understand the situation, but it looks like you don't want to learn. And I already said what my reasons are.
QuoteThe bottom line on this OP is, the basic black and white NASA photos (without your changes) likewise show the features of the anomalies as is in the colorized pics I posted.
I only changed the levels on the images I identified as changed, all the other images were posted as converted from the original IMG files from NASA.
QuoteI am sorry that you cannot see the anomalous features on the black anomaly. The white objects are a little crazy looking anyway - almost a ghostly appearance, but I considered them interesting, and that is why I included them as seemingly anomalous! But that black thing.........nope, not a jpeg artifact, as you say!
Is the anomalous black visible in the images I posted, either the radiometrically corrected one or the raw?