Syrian Refugees - Should we be alarmed Yet?In all of History Refugees are women and children and elderly seeking to escape a bad situation while the young strong men have remained behind to fight...
But today the Syrian 'refugees' are the young men, strong and well dressed and what do they do when they get to Greece? Riot and PROTEST and make DEMANDS
Where are the women and children? These do not look like refugees... they look like an invasion force
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03432/lesbos2_3432356b.jpg)
A Greek police officer stops refugees trying to board a ferry traveling to Athens Photo: APQuoteFresh clashes erupted between police and migrants on the Greek island of Lesbos on Monday night, which authorities said was "on the verge of explosion".
A dozen or so coastguards and riot police armed with batons struggled to control some 2,500 migrants on Lesbos, screaming "Keep back" at the crowds as they surged towards a government-chartered ship bound for Athens.
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03432/lesbos3_3432357b.jpg)
Refugees wait to board the ferryQuote"I stayed here eight, nine days - oh my God, I can't even remember," said Aleddin, an engineering student who is hoping to join his brother in Germany.
"Some people have been here for 14 or 15 days. The government doesn't care."
Hours after a Greek passenger ferry sent lifeboats to rescue 61 migrants off Lesbos, junior interior minister Yiannis Mouzalas told To Vima radio the port of "Mytilene currently has 15,000-17,000 refugees... The situation is on the verge of explosion."
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03432/lesbos_3432354b.jpg)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/11850162/Migrant-crisis-Lesbos-on-verge-of-explosion-after-fresh-clashes.html
Seriously? they been there a few weeks and are already protesting and making demands? Those are NOT REFUGEES
Look at these guys... tell me they are refugees.. WHERE are the elderly, the women, the children? These guys look like they all worked out nd are ready for conflict..
And what do they do in their new freedom? Stage a riot and make demands.
So, they get to Greece and make demands. Who sent them, the IMF? :P
ISIS threatens to send 500,000 migrants to Europe as a 'psychological weapon' in chilling echo of Gaddafi's prophecy that the Mediterranean 'will become a sea of chaos' Quote* Italian press today published claims that ISIS has threatened to release the huge wave of migrants to cause chaos in Europe if they are attacked
* And letters from jihadists show plans to hide terrorists among refugees
* In 2011, Muammar Gaddafi ominously predicted war would come to Libya
* He was deposed in a violent coup and killed in October of the same year
* Islamic State executed 21 Egyptian Christians on Libyan beach this week
* Crisis in Libya has led to surge in number of migrants heading for Europe
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/02/18/25C46C3600000578-2958517-image-a-18_1424269004531.jpg)
Breaking point: The officials at Lampedusa airport (pictured) are struggling to process the 1,200 newly arrived migrants in a reception centre built for a third of that number - and now Islamic State has threatened to send 500,000 to Europe's shoreshttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2958517/The-Mediterranean-sea-chaos-Gaddafi-s-chilling-prophecy-interview-ISIS-threatens-send-500-000-migrants-Europe-psychological-weapon-bombed.html
Quote from: ArMaP on September 10, 2015, 12:45:22 AM
So, they get to Greece and make demands. Who sent them, the IMF? :P
ISIS Dontcha read the news? :P
Europe is FINISHED, KAPUT, GONE
They be heading for Portugal next :D
Quote from: zorgon on September 10, 2015, 12:50:45 AM
ISIS Dontcha read the news? :P
Europe is FINISHED, KAPUT, GONE
They be heading for Portugal next :D
I refer you to the post I just made on astros thread.
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=8665.msg118454;topicseen#new
Quote from: zorgon on September 10, 2015, 12:50:45 AM
ISIS Dontcha read the news? :P
ISIS, IMF, CIA, it's all the same. :P
QuoteThey be heading for Portugal next :D
If they want to come to Portugal let them come, we have had Celts, Phoenicians, Carthaginians, Romans, Suebi, Buri, Visigoths and Moors, migrations are a natural thing with humans. :)
On the news earlier.. it showed a large group of refugees landing on a Greek Island. There were women with children as well as some younger men.
and yes they started making demands..
and some of the Greeks who are having a tough time themselves were complaining when interviewed..saying that now the country maybe having to offer them in some cases better things than what their own people have. Maybe offer better housing to the incoming families as an eg.
Will some take jobs ? ie the younger fitter refugees may replace the middle age Greek peoples manual labor type jobs even if they don't speak the language.
For those who do not like what may be happening..
and if it really does start to get well out of acceptance and threat to the nation or even ones family.
There seems fewer places to consider.
The best places maybe in the colder climates if you can deal with it as I doubt most Most Africans would want to go to or could deal with such places.
I am not sure how things are really getting in parts of the USA with the Mexican border crisis... but I suspect that is only really being badly effected in certain areas on a larger scale..
QuoteISIS Dontcha read the news? :P
Europe is FINISHED, KAPUT, GONE
They be heading for Portugal next :D
Quote from: astr0144 on September 10, 2015, 04:43:37 AM
Will some take jobs ? ie the younger fitter refugees may replace the middle age Greek peoples manual labor type jobs even if they don't speak the language.
I doubt it, they don't want to remain in Greece, they want to go to other countries, Greece is just their way to entry Europe.
QuoteThe best places maybe in the colder climates if you can deal with it as I doubt most Most Africans would want to go to or could deal with such places.
Most want to go to the richer northern countries like Germany or Sweden, and as one migrant said once on an interview, they don't want to got there to see snow, they want a job and a safe life.
I saw today on Euronews people in Denmark being stopped from going to Sweden (they go through Denmark from Germany trying to reach Sweden) and one man said that they go to Sweden because they only have to live there for three (I think it was) months before getting a special statute instead of one year in Denmark, so they know exactly what they want.
PS: one thing I noticed is that most people appear to speak English and good clothes and cell phones, besides the fact that some of the traffickers ask for 1000 Euros for the journey.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJtrBg8TQaM
Little wonder there are so many refugees. Who could live here.
My question is WHY???? How can one "human" do this to another and for what gain?
Quote from: micjer on December 24, 2015, 03:08:19 PM
My question is WHY???? How can one "human" do this to another and for what gain?
This has been going on in that region for over 2000 years...
It isn't about gain it is about ego and who is right...
A single religion comes along (from whatever original source) and then as time goes on people start to disagree with each other over the content, interpretation and understanding of that religion...
Then come the Prophets who claim to be direct from God and say "This old version is WRONG You must now believe in the New Version
So instantly you create animosity between the old believers and the followers of the new belief.
Add more time... People like Luther come along and say "I don't believe in the HELL portion" so he makes Lutheranism which then further gets split with more interpretatations with the end result that Christians are killing each other (IRA war Catholics angainst Protestants)
Prophet Mohamed comes along and creates Islam hundreds of years after Phrophet Jesus was the start of Christianity But today we see many Islamic sects that are once again killing each other over their interpretation of thei own prophet, same as Christians are split over Catholism and Protestantism
Add more time... along comes a new Prophet who says "No the old way is wrong, THIS is right" and you have Mormons appear
Orthodox Jews are against Zionist Israel and want to see it dismantled
On and on and on it goes split after split until we have lost count of how many sects of the three major branches their are And everyone of them says WE ARE RIGHT YOU ARE THE INFIDEL YOU MUST DIE
The only real progress has been we gave up clubs and now have nukes
This chart is pretty accurate but still leaves out many sub sects... but you get the idea
(http://files.shroomery.org/files/12-51/589843396-1353984296824.png)
Quote from: ArMaP on September 10, 2015, 12:45:22 AM
So, they get to Greece and make demands. Who sent them, the IMF? :P
LOOL.
Quote from: zorgon on December 24, 2015, 10:55:50 PM
This has been going on in that region for over 2000 years...
It isn't about gain it is about ego and who is right...
A single religion comes along (from whatever original source) and then as time goes on people start to disagree with each other over the content, interpretation and understanding of that religion...
Then come the Prophets who claim to be direct from God and say "This old version is WRONG You must now believe in the New Version
So instantly you create animosity between the old believers and the followers of the new belief.
Add more time... People like Luther come along and say "I don't believe in the HELL portion" so he makes Lutheranism which then further gets split with more interpretatations with the end result that Christians are killing each other (IRA war Catholics angainst Protestants)
Prophet Mohamed comes along and creates Islam hundreds of years after Phrophet Jesus was the start of Christianity But today we see many Islamic sects that are once again killing each other over their interpretation of thei own prophet, same as Christians are split over Catholism and Protestantism
Add more time... along comes a new Prophet who says "No the old way is wrong, THIS is right" and you have Mormons appear
Orthodox Jews are against Zionist Israel and want to see it dismantled
On and on and on it goes split after split until we have lost count of how many sects of the three major branches their are And everyone of them says WE ARE RIGHT YOU ARE THE INFIDEL YOU MUST DIE
The only real progress has been we gave up clubs and now have nukes
This chart is pretty accurate but still leaves out many sub sects... but you get the idea
(http://files.shroomery.org/files/12-51/589843396-1353984296824.png)
I don't know why you keep shifting the blame for all this destruction onto the people being destroyed.
I think someone's been spending too much time listening to Trump.
Quote from: Sinny on March 30, 2016, 12:04:02 AM
I don't know why you keep shifting the blame for all this destruction onto the people being destroyed
Well maybe because that is the truth...
"For 1400 years we have been slaughtering each other... why blame Britain or America?"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX23SOSNnEQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX23SOSNnEQ
QuoteI think someone's been spending too much time listening to Trump.
I think someone has been walking around with BLINDERS on too long :P
Syrians bombing Syria
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_iYQlMw0r0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_iYQlMw0r0
USA has only been around a couple hundred years. It's not our fault that Jews and Arabs can't get along
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m8eoaueI5k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m8eoaueI5k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ND13Ktn5dc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ND13Ktn5dc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0K7A_V7XHQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0K7A_V7XHQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAPKYKhTp8U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAPKYKhTp8U
So, how are muslim refugees different from the people who started these fine enclaves in our own US of A?
Heres some places in the US where specific ethnic groups have formed populations in their own locales over hundreds of years.....
http://www.chinatown-online.com (http://www.chinatown-online.com)
http://www.miamihispanicculturalartscenter.org (http://www.miamihispanicculturalartscenter.org)
http://www.exploreminnesota.com/travel-ideas/swedish-heritage-itinerary/ (http://www.exploreminnesota.com/travel-ideas/swedish-heritage-itinerary/)
http://www.visitflorida.com/en-us/articles/2011/june/1811-tarpon-springs-junction-of-greek-heritage-and-florida-history.html (http://www.visitflorida.com/en-us/articles/2011/june/1811-tarpon-springs-junction-of-greek-heritage-and-florida-history.html)
among the thousands of places here which show high percentage of non typical "American" citizenry, we dont really see a high percentage of dangerous interaction with surounding populations..for the most part..
Crime statistics are usually within standard guidelines for any ethnic community embedded in picket fence ideological cities and towns...to me there is one difference between these mainly peaceful locations and what the muslim refugees would have us allow them to construct once they arrive in greater numbers...
Sharia Law.
Watch what you wish for, those with a bleeding heart....history shows the outcomes of allowing extremist religions to take over various worldwide locations to have been very detrimental to those involved.
In religion, we find insanity, in insanity, the breakdown of logical discourse, and subsequently human advancement takes a real beating...everyone loses.
Even if they were destroying themselves, which I don't doubt has and is happening to an extent, what business have we got in adding to it?
Do you actually condone US, UK, and Israeli foreign policy?
(And their allies)
If you do, this is something which we will never agree on.
Well, I dont condone anything done by megalomaniacal leadership, but sadly, whether we condone any acts or behavior towards other nations or not, it wont matter as the power rift is far too great for us to effect any type of solution, or rational approach.
As for people..people usually do ok at keeping themselves safe and their societal behavior patterns are typically within the accepted norm for western ideology, but when you mix in an insane doctrine of misogyny and disregard for basic human rights on this planet...such as the right to live unfettered by insane doctrines....failure is the only option.
The religion of Islam has kept a good part of its brainwashed laity in caveman mentality now for over 1400 years, and islam is also playing catch up with christianity, which had its violent era, and is now a religion of inactivity and shame for many of its locked in membership.
Like the abrahamic religions, islam shows no hope for human progress in the mental arena, and stifles the human nature so badly, those who follow its twisted and insane doctrine spend their life in useless piety, we see in islam, the norm these days is to either blow up that which disagrees with their mindless march of madness, or to sit stewing in their own hateful and intolerant juices, awaiting the end result..either complete insanity, or death.
So, in a nation so wrapped up in Kardashians, government sponsored race baiting, and corporate greed that has grown to Rome type proportions...do we really want to incorporate another entire segment of people who will add exactly zero to our culture, and even less to our forward progress as a nation of strength in the world....all the while either wanting to blow us up for denying allah as a god, or actually blowing us up as a certain percentage of them most surely will try to do?
I say, if one is inept of mind enough to want these people to enter their country for whatever pretense, let them have them, the US although an aggressor over the last century, has kept Europe and other nations safe from certain doom on more than one occasion, and possibly even your nation, if these refugees gain a toehold in your society.
As for the US, I think we have accepted enough deadweight and human fodder through the years, and a drive through any heavily ethnic socialistic housing project here will tell you they make lots of babies, and are now a large segment of the populace...perhaps it is time to filter in immigration for the people who truly will add to our society, and filter out those who wish to force their insane doctrines upon us because they feel it is for our own good.
Do not ever think for one minute, total sharia law is anything but their full and certain goal for every nation they infect with it, because that is when you are leaving the door open for the complete and utter failure of humanity as a whole.
Christianity has tried to numb us down, Jewish people have kept their bloodlines somewhat pure, and here we are, still the place everyone wants to come to love, letting another entire segment of the worlds religious insanity come here and then mollycoddling them is not on the menu for the majority of Americans.
Is it too ironic to say...
Cheers?
Quote from: Littleenki on March 31, 2016, 04:26:35 PM
The religion of Islam has kept a good part of its brainwashed laity in caveman mentality now for over 1400 years, and islam is also playing catch up with christianity, which had its violent era, and is now a religion of inactivity and shame for many of its locked in membership.
What keeps people brainwashed is ignorance, so it's no surprise that on all those countries where the people was not really allowed to get information and knowledge people are easier to control. There are millions of Muslims living in "western" countries, do they act in the same way?
If they do then we can say it's a religion thing, if they do not then we cannot.
QuoteLike the abrahamic religions...
Islam is an Abrahamic religion.
QuoteSo, in a nation so wrapped up in Kardashians, government sponsored race baiting, and corporate greed that has grown to Rome type proportions...do we really want to incorporate another entire segment of people who will add exactly zero to our culture, and even less to our forward progress as a nation of strength in the world....all the while either wanting to blow us up for denying allah as a god, or actually blowing us up as a certain percentage of them most surely will try to do?
Looking at your own example of what is now your country's culture, maybe it would be better to get a new one.
QuoteI say, if one is inept of mind enough to want these people to enter their country for whatever pretense, let them have them, the US although an aggressor over the last century, has kept Europe and other nations safe from certain doom on more than one occasion, and possibly even your nation, if these refugees gain a toehold in your society.
Yes, the good old US of A, saviour of mankind... ::)
This is what I do not like in many people from the US, that "we are the good ones, everyone else is either our enemy or should be grateful for our existence".
Funny, if it wasn't sad...
It's only sad looking from your side of the fence ArMap, you know secretly in your heart you love the good ole USA. ;)
Islam as for being monotheistic, and based on certain tenets of both hebrew and christian ideals is an Abrahamic religion, but the use of a demiurge such as Mohammed makes it different as he was a prophet, not a messiah...and the hebrews had no messiah....its still structured mind control at best.
It is parallel to christianity as I said, just 600 years behind.
Id also guess somewhere in the last hundred years, your own country has been protected or shielded by the US , whether you knew it or not...from the people who wish to do harm to western society, just because you didnt or dont see it, dont assume we havent been there for your country at some point.
Its just beyond your pay grade to know how and when.
Actually as for Islam here in the US, we do have quite a number of people who incite radicalist ideologies, and pass down extreme hatred for ole whitey....I myself in the business I am in, run into dozens of them every weekend, and they almost always act as if they could give two poops about me or my life and beliefs.
So, no, ours arent any different from those in muslim nations, except they know if they try their crap in the US, someone is going to either kill them, or make them wish they were dead.
But then again, our propoganda is different from yours, so as you say, we"count yourself, but not me" are sheep in the field.
Cheers
Quote from: Littleenki on April 01, 2016, 12:40:09 AM
It's only sad looking from your side of the fence ArMap, you know secretly in your heart you love the good ole USA. ;)
No, why would I love a country that got war ships with their guns pointing to my country's parliament just in case we got to close to Communism?
QuoteId also guess somewhere in the last hundred years, your own country has been protected or shielded by the US , whether you knew it or not...from the people who wish to do harm to western society, just because you didnt or dont see it, dont assume we havent been there for your country at some point.
Who are that "people that wish to do harm to western society"? In fact, what is that "western society"?
QuoteIts just beyond your pay grade to know how and when.
Ah, the old excuse, "your too low on the food chain to be important and only important people know about that".
QuoteActually as for Islam here in the US, we do have quite a number of people who incite radicalist ideologies, and pass down extreme hatred for ole whitey....I myself in the business I am in, run into dozens of them every weekend, and they almost always act as if they could give two poops about me or my life and beliefs.
That's because your "western society" is an extremist society, always talking about enemies (and looking for them) and about hate. Before I joined ATS (the first Internet forum I joined) I had never seen so much talk about hate, I even made a thread asking why the US appears to have the need to feel hated.
QuoteBut then again, our propoganda is different from yours, so as you say, we"count yourself, but not me" are sheep in the field.
Sorry, I don't understand that sentence. ???
Well ArMap, all opinion, all the time....thats all it is, and yours is no better than mine..
The query was staged, I responded, cuz its one of dem dare forum thingies, remember?
Methinks now in retrospect, you dont like us folks in the US, since I personally do the behest of my leadership in your opinion..oh theres that word..opinion again.
Wow, someone from another country that blames so much on the US, from a standpoint of thousands of miles away..and dont say the internet this or that...you are a product of what your own leadership spews...propaganda defined.
So, heres what is happening right now in the good ole US....
Tomorrow I am being sent to spread democracy to a third world nation...should be a fun day, wonder how many bombers and ground troops Ill need. Day in the life of a typical 'Murican, right?
I condemn all aggressive behavior, whatsoever, just like you.
Opinion?
Mine is....until we see a need for bringing undocumented Syrian refugees into our country, they should be kept out..hows that? No hate, just common sense. Can you debunk that, sir?
Pretty simple, but then again, opinions are said to be like ...um..what is that word.....
Now chop me up into little quotes, and try to compartmentalize your reply to this post...its all opinion anyways, so it doesnt matter.
Cheers
Excellent ArMaP.
I wonder if the aliens will build in some cut out switches this time.
would anyone blame them ?
funbox
Quote from: Littleenki on April 01, 2016, 02:00:52 AM
Well ArMap, all opinion, all the time....thats all it is, and yours is no better than mine..
True, but I do not present my opinions as if they are facts.
QuoteThe query was staged, I responded, cuz its one of dem dare forum thingies, remember?
Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by "the query was staged". ???
QuoteMethinks now in retrospect, you dont like us folks in the US, since I personally do the behest of my leadership in your opinion..oh theres that word..opinion again.
You are wrong, I have nothing against the people in the US, I just don't like the actions of a small percentage of them, but I never mix a few with the whole.
QuoteWow, someone from another country that blames so much on the US, from a standpoint of thousands of miles away..and dont say the internet this or that...you are a product of what your own leadership spews...propaganda defined.
If you are talking about me, yes, I blame the US for bringing their war ships to a fellow NATO country and pointing the ships' guns to the Portuguese parliament, I saw them.
QuoteMine is....until we see a need for bringing undocumented Syrian refugees into our country, they should be kept out..hows that? No hate, just common sense. Can you debunk that, sir?
You don't see
their need as a strong enough reason?
Quote from: ArMaP on April 01, 2016, 09:31:12 PM
If you are talking about me, yes, I blame the US for bringing their war ships to a fellow NATO country and pointing the ships' guns to the Portuguese parliament, I saw them.
Did you get any pics?
Quote from: A51Watcher on April 02, 2016, 04:18:15 AMDid you get any pics?
No, I was going with my family to visit my uncle and my aunt on the other side of the Tagus river and we could see the ships on the river while we were crossing the bridge to Lisbon side of the river. We only knew what they were doing there later, but we thought it was strange for them to be so up the river, as war ships usually anchor closer to the entrance.