Fake Moon Landing...
Buzz Aldrin punches Bart Sibrel after being harassed by him
If the Moon Landings were faked I am surprised that the Authorities would allow this to be shown on TV.
I am just watching a TV program on the Fake Moonlanding Conspiracy and was surprised when It showed a clip of this !
Has anyone been aware or ever seen it before ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wptn5RE2I-k
It also shows Bart Sibrel confronting several Astronauts including Buzz Aldrin who punched him and Neil Armstrong and some others ! and asking them to swear on the bible that they really did or did not go to the moon...
This is another of his videos on the Moon Landings...I think its different to the TV Program that I have watched..
Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon? 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybJMuowl0UU
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_Sibrel
Jim Oberg is also in the TV Program talking about the Russians Space program and some of the things that the Cosmonauts got upto.
shown in the U.K...
Faking the Moon Landings: Conspiracy
Today on Channel 5 from 8:00pm to 9:00pm
Channel 5
Conspiracy - Series 1, Episode 10
Documentary series that puts the world's biggest conspiracy theories under the spotlight. Bart Sibrel and journalist Marcus Allen claim to have evidence that proves that the American moon landings in the late 1960s and 70s were faked. Gary McKinnon, who hacked into the Pentagon computers in 2002, claims that he found information about a secret US space fleet in orbit and powered by alien technology. Other theories surround supposed Soviet space-race cover-ups, including radio messages from the doomed secret Soviet space missions and and cosmonauts airbrushed from official photo
Buzz punching Bart is old news :P The fact that the others refuse to swear on the bible is noteworthy
Bart is an ass... going about it the wrong way...
But SOMETHING is not right about the Apollo Program
Like Roswell, Kennedy and 9/11 we may never know the truth
But John told us that they would find an excuse NOT to go back to the moon...
So far we have Obama cutting the budget for a new moon landing (and no Mars till 2025) and NASA Orion Scientists saying:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlXG0REiVzE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlXG0REiVzE
No I had never been aware before about Bart or him confronting various astronauts or Buzz Punching him.
It quite surprised me to see Buzz hit him..
As much as it was another program about the possibilities of a Fake Moonlanding..
One researcher who disagrees made a lot of valid points opposing the idea and its hard to disagree even though some of the evidence brought up may have suggested it had been faked.
How could so many persons and money be involved in such a huge project and not know if it was faked and keep it secret ?
If it was a fake to try to make out the USA being superior over Russia or the World... it was hard to believe they could go to such a massive task for that purpose..
But it is still a concern or mystery as to could they have overcome the van allen belt radiation that we are led to believe was impossible.
I had not fully realized that Jim Oberg had been a Nasa Mission Controller ..
I thought he had been in some other job at NASA.. as well as their UFO debunker :)
Otherwise it must be an amazing honor to have him as a member ! almost like having an astronaut or top scientist !.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Oberg
QuoteBut SOMETHING is not right about the Apollo Program
Like Roswell, Kennedy and 9/11 we may never know the truth
Quote from: astr0144 on October 30, 2015, 11:19:59 PM
How could so many persons and money be involved in such a huge project and not know if it was faked and keep it secret ?
How could so many men and money be involved in building an atom bomb and keep that secret until we dropped them on Japan?
::)
QuoteIf it was a fake to try to make out the USA being superior over Russia or the World... it was hard to believe they could go to such a massive task for that purpose..
How MASSIVE would it need to be? All they needed was a movie stage (and they had that) and a field of craters (USGS blasted that for them)
You want to see how EASY it is to fake it? Watch the IMAX remake :P
QuoteI had not fully realized that Jim Oberg had been a Nasa Mission Controller ..
So he claims... but then he says Clark McClelland is a liar
QuoteI thought he had been in some other job at NASA.. as well as their UFO debunker :)
Self imposed debunker :P He claims NASA doesn't pay him to debunk
QuoteOtherwise it must be an amazing honor to have him as a member ! almost like having an astronaut or top scientist !.
What about the other real players? Like Russ Hamerlly Senior IT Department head at Boeing or LSWONE used to work at Dryden in the black ops section?
::)
I would have thought that The thing with the Apollo or space program.. I thought that It was more in the open...and I would have thought had a lot more people involved and more money put into it compared with the A bomb project..
Just building the actual space craft and all the associated things associated with the Space program was a massive task and expense... like the main NASA Building at Cape Canaveral.
Then the Ground Control Centre..
I can see how all that creation / engineering could be done ...
with all the persons involved...
but then to have maybe some Powers that be who may have been aware it was not really possible.. then to do some sort of false construction to fake it all after all the work involved in actually creating real Space craft and the related things associated with it... Just makes it hard to believe that they would go to such a project...
Then there were numerous space craft built before the Apollo program that led to its evolvement... that must have cost a fortune.. as well as more people involved in it..
QuoteHow could so many men and money be involved in building an atom bomb and keep that secret until we dropped them on Japan?
::)
I have seen LSWONE post but I am unsure about Russ Hamerlly..
You probably have had many a member of such caliber who many of us do not really know about..
I am still a newby compared to some of the members on here..or in PRCs past..
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What about the other real players? Like Russ Hamerlly Senior IT Department head at Boeing or LSWONE used to work at Dryden in the black ops section?
Quote from: zorgon on October 31, 2015, 12:55:03 AM
How could so many men and money be involved in building an atom bomb and keep that secret until we dropped them on Japan?
Because trusted employees like Klaus Fuchs could be relied upon to keep a secret?
Quote from: SerpUkhovian on October 31, 2015, 10:40:53 AM
Because trusted employees like Klaus Fuchs could be relied upon to keep a secret?
Yes, I agree! There was a time in the past when the general population had a much greater sense of commitment to God and to country. So, when "sworn" to secrecy, the people would stand on their solemn commitment, and they would keep it secret. Today, the societies of the peoples in the United States of America are much different, with some/many feeling they have no God to which to answer, and little if any feeling of patriotism to their country.
Of course, today most everything is in digital, and with sharp minds and very high-speed computers to do the work, there is probably no hack-proof security system. So, today, with the world-wide net, and enough time, searching hackers can find much of the secret stuff anyway. Just this week there were articles in the news about so much of the U.S. high-tech military hardware that had been copied through hacking by other countries, including China and Russia.
In the days of the atom bomb, true "spying" amounted to the "manual labor" of infiltration, with the hands-on stealing of drawings and documents, and sometimes supported by the direct use of film cameras. Today's "spying" is being done from anywhere on the Earth, through internet and satellite connections! :o :o
Back in the old days after WWII the phrase "Loose Lips Sink Ships" was pretty much the order of the day. Back then Americans had pride and supported their government.
If you were a conspiracy nut blowing the whistle you were very likely to get killed... and the average person would NOT want to listen to you and likely report you. Many researchers simply vanished in those days
So keeping a secret was easy... because it really was in the best interest of national security
But today with the ease of access to info and the number of people dissatisfied with the government, people like Ed Snowden who really know something, are leaking out the info.
So today the best way to keep a secret is to bury it in BULLSHIT :D People are easily swayed to believe the ludicrous and real truth is pushed aside as it doesn't fit what they have been conditioned to WANT to believe
So it begs the question... in this modern era of hackers and super computers in the hands of the average person... WHY do we still not have the secret of the TRUTH of Aliens leaked out?
Maybe because.... it's all a lie :P
Z said, "So it begs the question... in this modern era of hackers and super computers in the hands of the average person... WHY do we still not have the secret of the TRUTH of Aliens leaked out?"
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Maybe it has leaked out, not in words, but by action or non-action. How else can one explain, that in modern times, and with available vast technical resources, the United States has chosen to not pursue/continue its exploration of the Moon with many boots on the ground?? The Moon is simply right there in our own front yard, so-to-speak!! Besides the wealth of knowledge there for us to learn about the Moon, just "doing it" will teach and train us in most all of the areas needed for our significant exploration of this Solar System, and beyond.
Our Moon is not fake, and whether the actual Moon landings were fake or not is now beside the point. We need to get on with a serious space exploration initiative, as the doing of it will yield huge benefits across the spectrums of our humanity, with new technology, with a lot of work for a lot of people, and with many different visions of opportunities for people of the world to be involved in so many different ways.
During the fairly obvious stagnation of the U.S. space program over many years, several other countries have likewise achieved a level of space exploration capability. So, our world is now better prepared to work toward exploring space, if there is a way to jointly come together for the development of agreed-to plans and objectives to "make it so"!! With most of these nations at some sort of serious odds with one another, this probably won't happen in many of our lifetimes, if ever!! :)
Quote from: rdunk on October 31, 2015, 07:51:37 PM
Maybe it has leaked out, not in words, but by action or non-action. How else can one explain, that in modern times, and with available vast technical resources, the United States has chosen to not pursue/continue its exploration of the Moon with many boots on the ground??
MAYBE it's because we really CAN'T get past the Van Allen Belt as NASA scientists say now :P
QuoteThe Moon is simply right there in our own front yard, so-to-speak!! Besides the wealth of knowledge there for us to learn about the Moon, just "doing it" will teach and train us in most all of the areas needed for our significant exploration of this Solar System, and beyond.
The true WEALTH is in the trillions of tons of HE3 on the surface enough to power the entire planet with a safe Fusion fuel for 10,000 years. I wonder how that would effect the OIL BARONS :P
QuoteOur Moon is not fake, and whether the actual Moon landings were fake or not is now beside the point. We need to get on with a serious space exploration initiative, as the doing of it will yield huge benefits across the spectrums of our humanity, with new technology, with a lot of work for a lot of people, and with many different visions of opportunities for people of the world to be involved in so many different ways.
The public has become so distrusting of anything the Government and NASA does they just won't support space exploration. This is why UMLR is not taking off. UMLR would have made MILLIONS in the Apollo era.
Yes it DOES matter whether it was fake or not because if it was fake, that means we cannot do it Certainly today we cannot do it... the old engineers are gone, they left no records and the young ones are starting from scratch NASA needs to bum a ride on Russian ships to even get to the ISS
QuoteDuring the fairly obvious stagnation of the U.S. space program over many years, several other countries have likewise achieved a level of space exploration capability. So, our world is now better prepared to work toward exploring space, if there is a way to jointly come together for the development of agreed-to plans and objectives to "make it so"!! With most of these nations at some sort of serious odds with one another, this probably won't happen in many of our lifetimes, if ever!! :)
Problem is the other countries are doing no better. China is FAKING most of it's missions and obviously so... even the non conspiracy peeps are catching them at it. Russia is planning a new moon mission for 2030
Russia just announced that it's sending humans to the moon(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bng8EyGap5s/VjOu7_MdtxI/AAAAAAAAGNQ/3z2KbvUJGC8/s640/lunar_base_by_simonfetscher-d79ix1i.jpg)
http://www.physics-astronomy.com/2015/10/russia-just-announced-that-its-sending.html
Look at that PICTURE and compare it to THIS ONE
Quotehe image below is a Sketch from 1895 of a Gold Mine in Operation on the Moon by Konstantin Tsiolkovsky. "Dreams of the Earth and Sky" (1895)
The tube connecting the pyramid shaped towers are clear glass as he shows people inside. This image would be of the Farside judging by the position of the Earth in the drawing and the shape of the spaceship above being that of what we call a standard UFO today is very interesting indeed.
He was a man ahead of his time, the Father of the liquid fuel rocket and even designed a space station with a revolving Torus (for gravity) complete with solar collectors, solar panels and a dish antenna... in 1896!!!! So how did he know about the Farside Mining Operation?
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Tsiolkovsky/Moon_Mine002.png)
Quote from: zorgon on October 31, 2015, 08:02:16 PM
MAYBE it's because we really CAN'T get past the Van Allen Belt as NASA scientists say now :P
Where did NASA scientists say that?
QuoteYes it DOES matter whether it was fake or not because if it was fake, that means we cannot do it
No, it would mean only that it wasn't done.
Quote from: zorgon on October 31, 2015, 08:06:12 PM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bng8EyGap5s/VjOu7_MdtxI/AAAAAAAAGNQ/3z2KbvUJGC8/s640/lunar_base_by_simonfetscher-d79ix1i.jpg)
http://www.physics-astronomy.com/2015/10/russia-just-announced-that-its-sending.html
Look at that PICTURE and compare it to THIS ONE
That image is from some Deviant Art (http://boomergod.deviantart.com/art/Lunar-Base-By-Simonfetscher-d79ix1i-548130630) user.
"Z" posted a video of a NASA engineer saying so ! in his 1st reply (post 2)to this thread.
ArMaP
QuoteWhere did NASA scientists say that?
QuoteQuote from: zorgon on Today at 01:02:16 PM
MAYBE it's because we really CAN'T get past the Van Allen Belt as NASA scientists say now :P
If Jim Oberg is a non believer or a debunker... then he will say that Clark was a liar !.
I could not find too much on Clark McClelland in terms of any real detail...There doesnt seem a Wikipedia site on him for eg..But I have found some websites referring to him..
There is ref to him since now having his pension stopped and now being on Social Security..So I suspect maybe that NASA may now deny he ever existed as working for them or something corrupt.. unless its a set up one one way or other.
QuoteMcClelland claims the U.S. government has stripped him of his pension and forced him to live on social security, despite insisting he has served on more than 800 NASA missions.
Suggesting that he was a NASA engineer and a Space craft Operator...I dont know why they don't just say Astronaut..
but he was a Space Shuttle operator...
and it seems he was the one who said he witnessed a 9 Ft ET in the shuttle mission in 1991 that some suggest was a Tall White..That I now recall..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3016514/Former-NASA-engineer-claims-saw-NINE-FOOT-alien-1991-space-mission.html
Is Clark anyone who we should believe any more than anyone else ?..or is he Like some of the other astronauts who made claims to seeing UFOs / ETs..
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So he claims...(Jim Oberg ) but then he says Clark McClelland is a liar
Some Interesting comments , suggestions and theories from "Z" & RDunk !..
I wasnt sure what UMLR meant...
but I found this that is connected to PRC
I assume this is what you refer to..
Universal Mineral Lease Registry !
http://umlr.net/
This is a ref to He3...
QuoteHelium-3 (He3) is gas that has the potential to be used as a fuel in future nuclear fusion power plants. There is very little helium-3 available on the Earth. However, there are thought to be significant supplies on the Moon.
What do you mean that the Old engineers left no records ? and the young ones now have to start from scratch ?
Are you saying all that the Old Technology & Engineering info and data that was done say for the various Space missions , maybe even the likes of Apollo have disappeared ?
Kind of seems familiar with many engineering Companies going out of business and no longer having new ones replaced or new engineers trained to replace the past type ones, as much of it has now gone to the likes of the Far East ...
its no longer worth training new engineers to be able to create things anymore if we ever had to do so for our selves..and maybe some of that past technology has NOT been recorded like it should have been..
much of those skills have been lost..to some countries..
BUT....Much of the Old Space Technology and Engineering would now be replaced by more modern technology .. like Apollo being replaced by the Space shuttle as an eg..
Will we ever need to know some of the Older technology in the new erra or for the young engineers to know about ?
or maybe.. it Makes one wonder if they are doing away with all type of past technology and Engineering..not just in the Space industry..!
QuoteThe public has become so distrusting of anything the Government and NASA does they just won't support space exploration. This is why UMLR is not taking off. UMLR would have made MILLIONS in the Apollo era.
Yes it DOES matter whether it was fake or not because if it was fake, that means we cannot do it Certainly today we cannot do it... the old engineers are gone, they left no records and the young ones are starting from scratch NASA needs to bum a ride on Russian ships to even get to the ISS
I think the expressions here say it all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI_ZehPOMwI
Quote from: astr0144 on October 31, 2015, 08:33:14 PM
"Z" posted a video of a NASA engineer saying so ! in his 1st reply (post 2)to this thread.
Really? At what time does he say that?
Its in the title at the top of the Video..
Then if you watch the video it refers to the Van Allen Belt at the 3 minute mark..
I am unsure how legit that video is..
It refers to a Spacecraft called Orion... and is a up coming project..
The Video refers to saying that they have to overcome the Van Allen radiation belt before they can complete their expedition or something along those lines..
As the Engineer talks about it... there is some written text that shows up on the video and it says could they not use the technology used in Apollo to over come the radiation problem.
He then says "we need to over come this challenge before we can pass this region in space.".
then at 3 mins 40 secs ..another message appears and says OH really.... didn't we do this in 1969...
ArMaP
QuoteReally? At what time does he say that?
That is a long video to watch Dyna...
Can you give a shortened version of what you believe their expressions are suggesting ?
Assuming it refers to them referring in some way about the Apollo missions being for real...
Would you say that they appear truthful or deceitful in their expressions ?
Dyna
QuoteI think the expressions here say it all.
Quote from: astr0144 on November 01, 2015, 01:03:20 AM
Its in the title at the top of the Video..
Anyone can add a title and comments to a NASA video and upload it to YouTube.
QuoteThen if you watch the video it refers to the Van Allen Belt at the 3 minute mark..
I know, I have seen that video several times in the last few months. :)
QuoteI am unsure how legit that video is..
The original is a NASA video, this one with the added comments is not the original NASA video.
QuoteThe Video refers to saying that they have to overcome the Van Allen radiation belt before they can complete their expedition or something along those lines..
What he says is "We most solve this challenge before we send people through this region of space.", and what he was talking about was how the "radiation cam harm the navigations systems, on-board computers and other electronics on Orion". As Orion is supposed to be a recoverable vehicle to be used several times, its electronics must be more resistant to radiation than any other systems used before.
He never says that they can't pass through the Van Allen belts.
QuoteAs the Engineer talks about it... there is some written text that shows up on the video and it says could they not use the technology used in Apollo to over come the radiation problem.
That written text was not part of the original NASA video.
QuoteHe then says "we need to over come this challenge before we can pass this region in space.".
Not exactly, see above. :)
Edited to add a link to the original NASA video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2kSeINalHg
Quote from: zorgon on October 31, 2015, 05:38:51 PM
So it begs the question... in this modern era of hackers and super computers in the hands of the average person... WHY do we still not have the secret of the TRUTH of Aliens leaked out?
Maybe because.... it's all a lie :P
Or maybe it's because the truth of aliens is not on computer, but still in analog form -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJJw7e1Jbi8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJJw7e1Jbi8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJJw7e1Jbi8)
Think Pappy or Sappho are not reliable?
For shame.
I think that I recall that you have commented on this before..
I know that "Z" had posted it or a similar video before.
So ArMaP was already aware and was testing us ! ???
I cannot recall if I watched that video last time..I think I may have, and maybe had assumed that what "Z" had said about it was referring to the engineer suggesting that it was a challenge that we had yet to over come in order to pass that Zone..
Watching the video again, I can see what you were saying and it may refer to just that to do with Radiation effecting the Computers / electronics on the Orion Space Craft.
But It may have also suggested that we may not have been able to as yet pass that zone...
I agree however that was not made clear..
I assume you have commented on this with "Z" each time he posts it ! :D
I know sometimes we get things in our heads and still post and say things, that we may have considered in our pasts and believed at the time...even if questioned....and still post them in ref to future related topics..
So the question still maybe is there evidence that NASA has admitted or said that they or Apollo or space missions have never crossed thru the Van Allen Radiation Zone ?
ArMaP
QuoteWhat he says is "We most solve this challenge before we send people through this region of space.", and what he was talking about was how the "radiation cam harm the navigations systems, on-board computers and other electronics on Orion". As Orion is supposed to be a recoverable vehicle to be used several times, its electronics must be more resistant to radiation than any other systems used before.
He never says that they can't pass through the Van Allen belts.
I recall "Z" saying that any real Top Secret stuff would not be on easily connectable systems that could be hacked..such as the .likes of the Gary Mckinnion incident
Probably there would be Few persons who would be aware of such highly classified stuff..and sourced not likely to leak it..
but in the events like Roswell..when we are led to believe various levels of people were involved... there would seem too many persons involved to keep it from being leaked.
With regards to ETs using Analog form...
in what ways would this be... in space or here on Earth..
do you mean how they communicate their messages thru space ? or to other sources anywhere..?
A51
QuoteOr maybe it's because the truth of aliens is not on computer, but still in analog form -
After Roswell it was arranged for President Truman to receive weekly private briefings on the UFO situation from an AF officer.
The catch was these briefings were made in a verbal only presentation with no record of them being made or kept.
So the AF officer in effect became the analog record of these briefings.
So too the Henderson's became an analog record of aliens being recovered in the wreckage.
Quote from: astr0144 on November 01, 2015, 03:07:51 AM
So ArMaP was already aware and was testing us ! ???
The best way of showing someone that they are wrong is to make them see why they are wrong. ;)
QuoteBut It may have also suggested that we may not have been able to as yet pass that zone...
That video is only talking about the tests made to ensure that all systems are working as expected for a ship that is supposed to go through the Van Allen belts many times, as that's something no other ship has done (as far as I know).
QuoteI assume you have commented on this with "Z" each time he posts it ! :D
Yes, because the only thing I hate more than a misunderstanding is a lie, and this is how lies start.
QuoteSo the question still maybe is there evidence that NASA has admitted or said that they or Apollo or space missions have never crossed thru the Van Allen Radiation Zone ?
From what I have seen, nobody has presented any real evidence of NASA saying that.
PS: although it's not as strong as the rest, the South Atlantic Anomaly in the inner Van Allen belt is crossed by the ISS frequently. Also, the Space Shuttle has gone through it many times, specially when going to the Hubble Telescope, as its orbit passes through the South Atlantic Anomaly, and according to this (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/flyout/flyfeature_shuttlecomputers.html), although astronauts were not affected, more modern computers were.
Edited to add that some Gemini missions also passed through the South Atlantic Anomaly.
That would be the best way to keep information maybe as secret as one could get...
Maybe those guys also had almost photographic memories. As many would be the top people involved.
But having no form of recorded info makes it ever impossible to prove anything from what I envision on the researchers behalf..
and real proof will always be at question ..
A51
QuoteThe catch was these briefings were made in a verbal only presentation with no record of them being made or kept.
So the AF officer in effect became the analog record of these briefings.
So too the Henderson's became an analog record of aliens being recovered in the wreckage.
It may be the best way to get someone to at least look at something with more thought or consideration..and may show them that they are wrong..But there maybe other things that a person questions or other associated facts or info that maybe involved...
ArMaP
QuoteThe best way of showing someone that they are wrong is to make them see why they are wrong. ;)
In this case you may be right !
ArMaP
QuoteThat video is only talking about the tests made to ensure that all systems are working as expected for a ship that is supposed to go through the Van Allen belts many times, as that's something no other ship has done (as far as I know).
Your comments seem Worthy until proven otherwise... :)
Thank you for posting that article..it looks interesting...I need to look at it in more detail..but at an initial browse it looks interesting and may contain some further answers or raise more questions..
I suspect you had posted this at sometime before in a similar discussion ..
I am Not aware of some of the things that you have wrote such as the S.A.A
IF you are correct then this seems to suggest that Man has or is capable of passing the Van Allen radiation belt zone and probably have been to the Moon...
As so many similar things were discussed in the past..that seemed to have no real evidence.. is this something newly posted to prove otherwise ! :o :)
QuoteFrom what I have seen, nobody has presented any real evidence of NASA saying that.
PS: although it's not as strong as the rest, the South Atlantic Anomaly in the inner Van Allen belt is crossed by the ISS frequently. Also, the Space Shuttle has gone through it many times, specially when going to the Hubble Telescope, as its orbit passes through the South Atlantic Anomaly, and according to this, although astronauts were not affected, more modern computers were.
Edited to add that some Gemini missions also passed through the South Atlantic Anomaly.
Quote from: astr0144 on November 01, 2015, 03:00:08 PM
But having no form of recorded info makes it ever impossible to prove anything from what I envision on the researchers behalf..
Communication between departments can be kept on a personal, non-documented way, but if there's some work being done, not having documentation about it is the best way of losing the work already done.
QuoteI suspect you had posted this at sometime before in a similar discussion ..
I don't remember posting it before, but it's possible. :)
QuoteI am Not aware of some of the things that you have wrote such as the S.A.A
One interesting thing about the SAA is that it covers most of South America, an area that has many UFO sightings. Could that be related to the closer proximity of the Van Allen belt on that region? I don't have the slightest idea, but it's a thought. :)
The very beginning is enough, people normally smile when getting a standing ovation, these guys look pained by it, ashamed.
Quote from: Dyna on November 01, 2015, 04:38:29 PM
The very beginning is enough, people normally smile when getting a standing ovation, these guys look pained by it, ashamed.
This is a short clip... when Sir Patrick Moore asks them if they saw stars on the Moon :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyjppxh2-C0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyjppxh2-C0
It maybe the 1st time we have been informed about the details of the NASA computers and the S.A.A then.. and this seems quite a complex subject.Trying to determine what it is and or how this effects things relative to the Spacecrafts effects or possibilities of being able to pass thru the Van Allen belt or not may not be an easy task.
but its perhaps something new to consider..
QuoteI don't remember posting it before, but it's possible. :)
The article about NASAs computer systems makes ref to what was involved and what they had to come up with to find the right designs that would work in such Space conditions...
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Designers also found out that laptops would crash when the shuttle passes through the "South Atlantic Anomaly," which is an area where the magnetic field draws in to Earth, again offering less radiation filtering for spacecraft flying through it.
Maybe its an interesting thought to consider..something that I suspect few of us were aware about...
And I am not sure if you may refer to Extra Terrestrial UFOs or Man made ones ? ???
but that could be an interesting thing to try to do some research on, as to looking into how many and what types of sightings take place around these zones.
There is a LOT of info to try to digest in order to try to get some understanding..and a hard thought process in trying to make a conclusion as to what is said maybe correct or not..and then to try to make a conclusion if have we managed to pass this zone or not ?
Not something that could be done without a fair bit of study and research I think ! and then having the abilities to try to conclude :-\ Chances are few of us will be much wiser !
QuoteOne interesting thing about the SAA is that it covers most of South America, an area that has many UFO sightings. Could that be related to the closer proximity of the Van Allen belt on that region? I don't have the slightest idea, but it's a thought. :)
Some Info on the Van Allen Radiation belt..
QuoteA radiation belt is a layer of energetic charged particles that is held in place around a magnetized planet, such as the Earth, by the planet's magnetic field. The Earth has two such belts and sometimes others may be temporarily created. The discovery of the belts is credited to James Van Allen and as a result the Earth's belts bear his name. The main belts extend from an altitude of about 1,000 to 60,000 kilometers above the surface in which region radiation levels vary. Most of the particles that form the belts are thought to come from solar wind and other particles by cosmic rays.[1] The belts are located in the inner region of the Earth's magnetosphere. The belts contain energetic electrons that form the outer belt and a combination of protons and electrons that form the inner belt. The radiation belts additionally contain less amounts of other nuclei, such as alpha particles. The belts endanger satellites, which must protect their sensitive components with adequate shielding if their orbit spends significant time in the radiation belts. In 2013, NASA reported that the Van Allen Probes had discovered a transient, third radiation belt, which was observed for four weeks until destroyed by a powerful, interplanetary shock wave from the Sun.[2]
and its Implications for Space Travel..
QuoteImplications for space travel[edit]
Spacecraft travelling beyond low Earth orbit leave the protection of earth's geomagnetic field and transit the Van Allen belts. Beyond these, they face additional hazards from cosmic rays and solar flares. A region between the inner and outer Van Allen belts lies at two to four Earth radii and is sometimes referred to as the "safe zone".[26][27]
Solar cells, integrated circuits, and sensors can be damaged by radiation. Geomagnetic storms occasionally damage electronic components on spacecraft. Miniaturization and digitization of electronics and logic circuits have made satellites more vulnerable to radiation, as the total electric charge in these circuits is now small enough so as to be comparable with the charge of incoming ions. Electronics on satellites must be hardened against radiation to operate reliably. The Hubble Space Telescope, among other satellites, often has its sensors turned off when passing through regions of intense radiation.[28] A satellite shielded by 3 mm of aluminium in an elliptic orbit (200 by 20,000 miles (320 by 32,190 km)) passing the radiation belts will receive about 2,500 rem (25 Sv) per year. Almost all radiation will be received while passing the inner belt.[29]
The Apollo missions marked the first event where humans traveled through the Van Allen belts, which was one of several radiation hazards known by mission planners.[30] The astronauts had low exposure in the Van Allen belts due to the short period of time spent flying through them. Apollo flight trajectories bypassed the inner belts completely to send spacecraft though only the thinner areas of the outer belts.[31][32] The command module's inner structure was an aluminum "sandwich" consisting of a welded aluminium inner skin, a thermally bonded honeycomb core, and a thin aluminium "face sheet". The steel honeycomb core and outer face sheets were thermally bonded to the inner skin.
Astronauts' overall exposure was actually dominated by solar particles once outside Earth's magnetic field. The total radiation received by the astronauts varied from mission to mission but was measured to be between 0.16 and 1.14 rads (1.6 and 11.4 mGy), much less than the standard of 5 rem (50 mSv) per year set by the United States Atomic Energy Commission for people who work with radioactivity.[
Quotehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belt
Info on the South Atlantic Anomaly (S.A.A)
QuoteThe South Atlantic Anomaly (SAA) is an area where the Earth's inner Van Allen radiation belt comes closest to the Earth's surface dipping down to an altitude of 200 km (124 mi). This leads to an increased flux of energetic particles in this region and exposes orbiting satellites to higher-than-usual levels of radiation. The effect is caused by the non-concentricity of the Earth and its magnetic dipole, and the SAA is the near-Earth region where the Earth's magnetic field is weakest relative to an idealized Earth-centered dipole field.
QuotePosition and shape[edit]
The Van Allen radiation belts are symmetric about the Earth's magnetic axis, which is tilted with respect to the Earth's rotational axis by an angle of approximately 11 degrees. The intersection between the magnetic and rotation axes of the Earth is located not at the Earth's centre, but some 500 kilometres (300 mi) further north. Because of this asymmetry, the inner Van Allen belt is closest to the Earth's surface over the south Atlantic ocean where it dips down to 200 km (124 mi) altitude, and farthest from the Earth's surface over the north Pacific ocean.[2]
Quotehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Atlantic_Anomaly
Quote from: astr0144 on November 02, 2015, 04:14:19 AM
The article about NASAs computer systems makes ref to what was involved and what they had to come up with to find the right designs that would work in such Space conditions...
High energy particles have been known to interfere with modern computers for some time, as modern electronics are more likely to have soft errors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_error).
QuoteAnd I am not sure if you may refer to Extra Terrestrial UFOs or Man made ones ? ???
Only UFOs, as I have no way of knowing their origin. :)