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Title: Transfer consciousness into artificial bodies to Live Forever.
Post by: astr0144 on November 26, 2015, 07:49:20 PM
New startup aims to transfer people's consciousness into artificial bodies so they can live forever

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As advancements in technology continue at an ever-increasing pace, will there ever come a day when we'll be able to use science to cheat death? Australian startup company Humai seems to think so; it claims to be working on a way to transfer a person's consciousness into an artificial body after they've died.
"We want to bring you back to life after you die," says Humai CEO Josh Bocanegra on the company's website. "We're using artificial intelligence and nanotechnology to store data of conversational styles, behavioral patterns, thought processes and information about how your body functions from the inside-out. This data will be coded into multiple sensor technologies, which will be built into an artificial body with the brain of a deceased human. Using cloning technology, we will restore the brain as it matures."
In an interview with Australian Popular Science, Bocanegra said: "We'll first collect extensive data on our members for years prior to their death via various apps we're developing." After death, the company will cryogenically freeze members' brains until the technology is fully developed, at which point the brains will be implanted into an artificial body.
"The artificial body functions will be controlled with your thoughts by measuring brain waves. As the brain ages we'll use nanotechnology to repair and improve cells. Cloning technology is going to help with this too."

Bocanegra believes, somewhat optimistically, that his company will be able to resurrect the first human within the next 30 years. At the moment, Humai only has four staff but it is looking to recruit more members over the coming months.
A lot of what Humai says is pretty vague when it comes to precise details, and the company seems to be relying on a lot of scientific breakthroughs being made in the near future.
Bocanegra, meanwhile, doesn't come from a scientific background. He describes himself as "a serial entrepreneur, technology visionary and internet marketer" on his website. Before he started Humai, Bocanegra set up an Airbnb-Meets-OKCupid dating app called LoveRoom that lets two people live together for a week to see if they would be romantically compatable.

http://www.techspot.com/news/62932-new-startup-aims-transfer-people-consciousness-artificial-bodies.html
Title: Re: Transfer consciousness into artificial bodies to Live Forever.
Post by: Ellirium113 on November 26, 2015, 10:50:02 PM
Well this will amount to little more than this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QPiF4-iu6g

Without all the sensing organs the quality of life would extremely poor in my opinion. Better to keep the whole head I would have thought.
Title: Re: Transfer consciousness into artificial bodies to Live Forever.
Post by: astr0144 on November 26, 2015, 11:59:04 PM
Far fetched & Mind Blowing technology !

Is that Robot using Live Rats brains in their bodies ? or somehow preserving their brains thru other means.

It seems that they are being preserved somehow in a Jar ! and somehow using its Neurons..

so somehow preserving the brain out of its body ! and connecting it via bluetooth to connect them control the sensors in the robot.

But is this still using Consciousness ?


As usual the usually Scientists test things with animals first before trialing it with Humans.

With regards to living Mind or brain waves to send messages to control such cyborgs is one thing, but Its hard to comprehend such control to  still be active when ones body dies...

Then also wondering if Consciousness is related to the brain or mind or if its still something  that we do not know or as yet understand..

What ever it seems a closer step to trying to create cyborg technology...

Does consciousness continue on after death ? or can it somehow be preserved ?  Is consciousness separate from the Brain ?  I don't know !

Title: Re: Transfer consciousness into artificial bodies to Live Forever.
Post by: Ellirium113 on November 27, 2015, 12:59:12 AM
This explains how much better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcAyd6LokWo

Essentially this technology turns brains into a biofeedback pro logic controller.

QuoteWith regards to living Mind or brain waves to send messages to control such cyborgs is one thing, but Its hard to comprehend such control to still still be active when ones body dies... that's another thing hard to comprehend.

The soviets proved you merely need to keep oxygenated blood flowing through the organ to keep it alive...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb52JKOpfRI



Title: Re: Transfer consciousness into artificial bodies to Live Forever.
Post by: astr0144 on November 27, 2015, 02:37:45 AM
Interesting Videos E113,

Its something that I was not aware of...and I am not sure what to make of the content.

I don't claim to fully understand it or if I believe that this would become accepted or understood by the majority.

I can envision maybe using Brain tissue being used in some sort of conductivity with electrodes...but the brain tissue in one of the videos is disconnected from the body, yet seems to be kept activated as you perhaps suggest by oxygenated blood flowing thru it...

When suggested that the tissue can be used in operating the Flight simulator , that the Cells connectivity are then somehow able to be used to react to some sort of programming... I don't see it in terms of it having any sort of Intelligence...even thou that's what one would probably think would be required to operate the simulator.

I don't think we could envision a rats brain or IQ being able to operate a simulator..

It just seems that ANY brain tissue, be it human or animal.. has
the ability to carry and respond to the electrodes and that the brain cells would respond to the processes..

I don't think in the egs shown , that  there is any way that there is any actual intellect or consciousness  being involved in the process of operating the simulator... Its just that the brain matter can conduct and transfer the electrode signals and maybe somehow the brain cells can somehow develop and respond to certain parts of the process or the programming and maybe it adapts to it somehow.

Otherwise...another thought or question maybe...

Is this to suggest that we can all be kept alive in some way ? That the technology is now here to do so.. :o

IF somehow the brain matter can be kept alive and still function with some form of consciousness or intellect.. even if in full or  just a partial form.. then that is something that is seeming a complete new discovery...and one wonders where is this leading to..

I would also question.. would this mean it has been possible to have kept dead relatives alive in someway if all or parts of their brains were kept in lab like conditions , also that maybe further in the future that they could be brought back to being fully functionable and even communicate with us in some way..

if so that would really make one question many things..

How long has this been possible,,

what if we could have had our relatives brains kept functioning after their bodies died...

what if we could have had a way of holding onto them for the last 10 to 50 yrs ago or more and most of us was never made aware about the possibilities to do this...

then if so what about OUR and existing living relatives Futures from now on ???

Very thought provoking  :o
Title: Re: Transfer consciousness into artificial bodies to Live Forever.
Post by: Ellirium113 on November 27, 2015, 04:56:08 AM
Here's something else to ponder... If by some chance they were to use a human brain to run an android, how long would it take for that brain to go insane? If you were to awaken in a coma like state and were being subjected to electrical pulses that stimulated a response from your brain, how do you think an individual would cope? What if the sensors you had for eyes, ears etc. aren't interpreted like they hope? What if you had to learn how to think in binary in order to survive? Will they pull the plug when their creation becomes depressed and suicidal?
Title: Re: Transfer consciousness into artificial bodies to Live Forever.
Post by: astr0144 on November 27, 2015, 02:40:40 PM
One may ask why do or what makes humans go insane ?

From what my life experience so far suggests, it seems all humans have a limit and can be broken mentally under certain circumstances.

If Humans were just existing as a brain / consciousness only...without any body parts to operate, other than the brain as such..(If that is possible)..then it would take certain things like Stress to make ones brain to become dysfunctional, I would think that effects its nervous system to break down, which I would think can eventually lead to it becoming Insane. or lead to the likes of a stroke that destroys the brain in someway and as we know it eventually leads to death.

This may be seen as destroying the brains functions or circuitry.

But I am Not sure How that effects actual consciousness.

I think we assume upon the brains death consciousness comes to an end.

but while alive, I am not sure if Consciousness and the functioning brain activities such as thought and understanding are somehow connected as being the same.

I could only imagine if a brain becomes Insane , that it becomes like an electric circuit that gets overloaded that eventually breaks down and dysfunctions.. and will no longer operate as one would expect.

But with regards to the brain being used in such circumstances as in an android... it maybe that they have a way to allow the brain to operate it and not be subject to the normal functions that we expect in  normal functioning brains activities.  That allows it to go beyond normal extreme stresses that would normally destroy a human brain.  So that the brain tissue can be used to function with what ever circuitry or electrode stimulations / sensors that an android maybe subjected to.

With that video of using part of the Rats brain matter to be used in operating that flight simulator.. I would have thought that it is only brain tissue and that it is no longer alive in terms of consciousness or functionality in terms of operating in any way on its own...

It is only operational in terms of outside connected stimulation that in terms acts like a circuit board being linked to electrical wiring connections.

If you do not link the wiring / outside stimulation..and blood supply into the tissue nothing would happen and the tissue would eventually fade away.

But I am not sure if that tissue is somehow being sort of kept alive and is being aided to somehow regrow and in a way redevelop with aids to the stimulations....IF it is that is hard to understand as to how far they can go with it..


QuoteHere's something else to ponder... If by some chance they were to use a human brain to run an android, how long would it take for that brain to go insane? If you were to awaken in a coma like state and were being subjected to electrical pulses that stimulated a response from your brain, how do you think an individual would cope? What if the sensors you had for eyes, ears etc. aren't interpreted like they hope? What if you had to learn how to think in binary in order to survive? Will they pull the plug when their creation becomes depressed and suicidal?
Title: Re: Transfer consciousness into artificial bodies to Live Forever.
Post by: Dyna on November 27, 2015, 07:50:51 PM
Quote from: Ellirium113 on November 27, 2015, 04:56:08 AM
Here's something else to ponder... If by some chance they were to use a human brain to run an android, how long would it take for that brain to go insane? If you were to awaken in a coma like state and were being subjected to electrical pulses that stimulated a response from your brain, how do you think an individual would cope? What if the sensors you had for eyes, ears etc. aren't interpreted like they hope? What if you had to learn how to think in binary in order to survive? Will they pull the plug when their creation becomes depressed and suicidal?

I wonder if they could shower  :P
Title: Re: Transfer consciousness into artificial bodies to Live Forever.
Post by: Ellirium113 on November 27, 2015, 10:12:06 PM
I think an "armor-all" wipe would suffice. :P
Title: Re: Transfer consciousness into artificial bodies to Live Forever.
Post by: Dyna on November 27, 2015, 11:29:14 PM
Quote from: Ellirium113 on November 27, 2015, 10:12:06 PM
I think an "armor-all" wipe would suffice. :P

ewy thinking "love-bot" capabilities. :-[
Title: Re: Transfer consciousness into artificial bodies to Live Forever.
Post by: Ellirium113 on November 28, 2015, 12:21:22 AM
In that case there would probably be some sort of removable disposable liner. I'll leave it up to your imagination which partner deals with that. Regardless I am quite certain the experience for the brain powered droid would likely not even remotely in any way compare to the actual flesh & blood experience. Just because an algorithm sends electronic pulses to the pleasure center of the brain this may be radically different to the actual experience that the brain would normally have. There is a lot more to it than electrical signals and sensory inputs that needs to addressed before this sort of thing will ever be considered a success.
Title: Re: Transfer consciousness into artificial bodies to Live Forever.
Post by: Sinny on November 28, 2015, 01:48:38 AM
Robotoids and synthetics come to mind.
Title: Re: Transfer consciousness into artificial bodies to Live Forever.
Post by: zorgon on November 29, 2015, 07:02:55 PM
Many years ago....  somewhere before the internet...

I read that the human brain could easily last for 500 to 5000 years as long as it had proper nutrients

Most disease is caused by lack of some chemical the body needs. If doctors would focus more on that we could already live longer.

They have isolated the aging gene... there is no reason we should age. It seems there is a glitch in our system that starts us aging

We SHOULD be able to regrow a limb cut off... the information is in our coding  but we can't  yet cut off a finger tip and it does regrow..

If you take that Bible as Gospel :P people lived a thousand years back then...

So WHO or WHAT altered our programming? We use about 10% of our DNA the rest is dormant... We use about 5-10% of our brain capacity... the rest is dormant  Geniuses use a bit more than common folks but not much more... and then the line between insanity is closer (hence the Mad Scientist meme)

Dog produce Vitamin C  We USED to but now we don't

SOMETHING messed us up

As to moving your consciousness into a machine... if I was on the verge and that was an option I would take it... :P

Not sure how they can bring you back from the dead I suppose that depends on where consciousness is stored.

As you get older you lose memory  Where does it go? Is it just brain cells dying or is it that we lose the ability to access it?  I know many people suffering from memory loss that sometime have moments of clarity... so maybe the data is still there but the pathways are getting clogged

Interesting concept... I doubt they will have that ready in time for me LOL but who knows?

Title: Re: Transfer consciousness into artificial bodies to Live Forever.
Post by: Sinny on December 07, 2015, 12:12:55 AM
Cool ideas.
Title: Re: Transfer consciousness into artificial bodies to Live Forever.
Post by: Flux on December 07, 2015, 01:00:22 AM
A game called SOMA has been out for some time now on PC and now released for PS4.
The game is all about transfer of the human consciousness into a machine. A horror game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgKFZRWh6QM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgKFZRWh6QM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syhcF0Mx0j0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syhcF0Mx0j0
Title: Re: Transfer consciousness into artificial bodies to Live Forever.
Post by: Dyna on December 12, 2015, 06:38:57 PM
Personally I think most everyone is way behind what is really being done out there. There are scientists who just have to know, they could care less about laws, there are places to work without worry of laws.

Then there is the military, knowing what was done by the Nazis already how can people believe that they have only done what they tell us, such as the cloning of Dolly. The real stuff was already way past that! No WAY WAY past that we are not going to be hearing about it.

QuoteFinally, Mussa-Ivaldi of Northwestern took a completely intact, independent lamprey eel brain. This is a brain from a lamprey eel. It is living -- fully-intact brain in a nutrient medium with these electrodes going off to the sides, attached photosensitive sensors to the brain, put it into a cart -- here's the cart, the brain is sitting there in the middle -- and using this brain as the sole processor for this cart, when you turn on a light and shine it at the cart, the cart moves toward the light; when you turn it off, it moves away. It's photophilic. So now we have a complete living lamprey eel brain. Is it thinking lamprey eel thoughts, sitting there in its nutrient medium? I don't know, but in fact it is a fully living brain that we have managed to keep alive to do our bidding.
https://www.ted.com/talks/paul_root_wolpe_it_s_time_to_question_bio_engineering/transcript?language=en
Title: Re: Transfer consciousness into artificial bodies to Live Forever.
Post by: astr0144 on December 13, 2015, 06:33:04 AM
Yes I agree Dyna,

I am sure that there are some Frankenstein type creatures and things beyond our imagination that could have been created...

Some of the conspiracies what maybe going on in certain underground bases including one main one also in the U.K.

I read of some very disturbing things that maybe going on.

QuotePersonally I think most everyone is way behind what is really being done out there. There are scientists who just have to know, they could care less about laws, there are places to work without worry of laws.

Then there is the military, knowing what was done by the Nazis already how can people believe that they have only done what they tell us, such as the cloning of Dolly. The real stuff was already way past that! No WAY WAY past that we are not going to be hearing about it.