At the moment at least in the US and UK..and I am sure in most of the World who are Muslims..
There is a lot being discussed about Donald Trumps recent comments...
There seems quite a variation on how his comments are being interpretated.
Many on a UK TV polictical discussion Program seem to be condeming him at the moment and some are suggesting he may be the Next Hilter and are concerned he may make President.
Others may think at least hes trying to find out what is going on and trying to address it..if it is something getting out of hand that the Government may have lost control on or even created some issues...for eg if some of the things Alex Jones suggest may be true...such as are the powers that be trying to flood immigrants into the western World...for what ever agenda that may have..
Some of the details as discussed by Alex Jones...I have not as yet watched any of them, so I can only assume that it gives some detailed explanations...
Trump Vs. the Muslims -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRgz8yxJITU
Carter Agrees With Trump On Muslim Ban
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WqiFoC5F58
the thing I don't get is how people are branding him a racist.. last time I heard that was a label used for prejudice against race/skin-color , not prejudice against an ideology/theology/religion
seems like the medias gone even more crazy to the point incorrect labelling
funbox
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t83VFKH6Lk
Quote from: Ellirium113 on December 11, 2015, 02:09:21 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t83VFKH6Lk
yes indeed .. double think never gets old does it :D , the media is painful to see atm
funbox
You make a good point Funbox !
Also Muslims do come in various Colored races.
I am not sure what Religion if any Obama maybe..
But if he was Muslim, that certainly would be a conflicting situation in the USA.
At the moment as I understood Trumps comments when I caught a clip on TV (I did not see the news for a few days so didnt get the story earlier on in detail)..
All he has said is he is indicating that they put a stop to ALL Muslims entering the USA... Until he or whoever finds out whats going on.
Hes not suggested a permanent ban..
But at the same time I can see many Muslims will see that offensive.... and hes possibly opened up a situation that really could get out of hand...
I am not sure how he would suggest stopping all Muslims... even temporary.. as many will be all Professions and many I am sure would visit the USA on business daily..and they will not been seen as being a threat...in the same way that maybe some could vision the migrant types who some may be seen as being possible terrorist...or more likely to be wanting to enter other countries fleeing from their own.
Its being suggested that Trump should come to the UK and explain himself..with most shown so far on the News as being against him and suggesting his view points as being one thing..
Then a news clip claimed he wrote on Twitter to explain his comments...to the UK...which I think still suggested that the U.K don't understand whats really going on !
Quote from: funbox on December 11, 2015, 01:34:35 AM
the thing I don't get is how people are branding him a racist.. last time I heard that was a label used for prejudice against race/skin-color , not prejudice against an ideology/theology/religion
seems like the medias gone even more crazy to the point incorrect labelling
funbox
Quote from: astr0144 on December 11, 2015, 12:08:16 AM
At the moment at least in the US and UK..and I am sure in most of the World who are Muslims..
There is a lot being discussed about Donald Trumps recent comments...and quite a variation on how his comments are being interpretated.
Many on a UK TV polictical discussion Program seem to be condeming him at the moment and some are suggesting he may be the Next Hilter and are concerned he may make President.
Others may think at least hes trying to find out what is going on and trying to address it..if it is something getting out of hand that the Government may have lost control on or even created some issues...for eg if some of the things Alex Jones suggest may be true...such as are the powers that be trying to flood immigrants into the western World...for what ever agenda that may have..
Some of the details as discussed by Alex Jones...I have not as yet watched any of them, so I can only assume that it gives some detailed explanations...
Trump Vs. the Muslims -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRgz8yxJITU
Carter Agrees With Trump On Muslim Ban
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WqiFoC5F58
Quote from: astr0144 on December 11, 2015, 02:30:15 AM
Then a news clip claimed he wrote on Twitter to explain his comments...to the UK...which I think still suggested that the U.K don't understand whats really going on !
ah , the "you should be thanking me" bit
so what gives Astro ? what's with all the misrepresentations, surely someone's in a high place, with a good view to gander ...
*a wickedly evil looking mfb steps out of a foul smelling portal ,guffs, and shouts " an eee's not talkin about the sniper, in the nest eva" *
funbox
I think, like many things... one can see or envision so many possible variations as to what may or may not be going on..for eg with this recent situation.
Anyone who has followed Alex Jones and may take his main viewpoints as being the more likely real truth...
or can so many Politicians, authorities and those who many believe on TV and the media really be wrong !
Like we also see with the arguements for Climate Change..
It seems so ofter on discussion programs that most still seem to support the Governments views that we do have such isses and that they are not seen by Scientists as being possibly natural changes that occur to our Planet due to astronomical / solar events etc..
Are they ALL in some sort of major conspiracy to serve certain Powers agendas..or do they just go along with the views when they arise..
overall who do the majority really believe ? I wonder ....
even when they may come across the likes of A.Js views..
(AJ may be one of the largest conspiricist around ) but world wide he may not really still be well known..% wise..
One thing that just came into my mind (For Now)..
Sometimes ones mind, may consider opposing views to what initially they may have earlier / previously considered..even if just for a short time ! while trying to reanalyse what maybe going on ! :-\..or maybe ones mind is just over thinking.. I dont know ! :)
If say Alex Jones was a SCRILL... He recently had Donald Trump on his show..and they both seemed to have similar views.
If say that Alex Jones is a plant to actually create ISSUES rather than oppose what he describes as the NWOs evil plans..
Then there may just be a possibility, that IF somehow Donald Trump did have some evil intentions ..such as being a Hitler type character... then what is happening now...maybe seen as a possible clever way to really create havoc !
As much as I do not like the idea of the western World being flooded by Migrants ...as they maybe seen as a threat..to our own peoples jobs, and security etc in certain cases...
an opposing view is some migration can be a benefit..
bring in some needed skills professions and labour in certain cases.
(But do we only get judged on what we are able to do ..not as a individual)
One view, we can sometime take, is all humans / races should have equal rights and should Not be restricted.
In the eg we see now... one group of people are in a way being possibly targeted or picked on..
So in that respect Trumps views may be seen as being wrong !
IN WW2 when Hitler wanted to wipe out other races ...Most of the rest of the world opposed him..
I suppose in reality I really don't know for sure at the moment what the real answers are...as it depends on ones own views and maybe how we feel at the time..and maybe ones views can alter or we just see other possible variational possibilities..and get even more unsure what the answers are !
ill just read this article on the second coming and get back to you.. need to get a better understanding of the prophesies , that, I do believe are root cause..
around a day or so :D
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/363/return-of-jesus-part-1/
funbox
That was quite some speech by Paul J Watson.
Don't think I have seen him quite so fired up before ...
It Offers so many facts to consider in this situation...with several of them needing to be noted..
Quote from: Ellirium113 on December 11, 2015, 02:09:21 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t83VFKH6Lk
and so he should be , im on chapter four , and apparently unbeliever's like him are mere food for the destroyers Gog and Magog.. *insert whistle jingle here*
oddly chapter three appears to be missing
funbox
An updated article that just came up on Yahoo.
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US presidential hopeful Donald Trump on Thursday said Britain should be grateful for his investment in the country as a record number of people signed a petition to ban him from entry.
The Republican frontrunner said Britain was trying to disguise a "massive Muslim problem" as politicians queued up to denounce him over his latest outspoken remarks.
Trump has called for a temporary ban on Muslims entering the United States after the mass shooting in California by a Muslim couple said to have been radicalised.
A record 450,000 people have signed a petition on the British government website calling for him to be banned from the UK.
But the tycoon said British politicians were "pandering to political correctness" as the country ditched him as a business ambassador and a university revoked his honorary doctorate.
He should instead be thanked for investing in Scotland, he said.
"The United Kingdom is trying hard to disguise their massive Muslim problem. Everybody is wise to what is happening, very sad! Be honest," Trump said on Twitter.
"Many people in the UK agree with me!"
Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has revoked his membership of the GlobalScot business network, saying he was no longer fit to act as a business ambassador for Scotland.
Meanwhile Robert Gordon University (RGU) in Aberdeen, on the northeast Scottish coast, revoked the doctorate of business administration he was awarded in 2010.
Trump, whose mother was a Scot, owns two golf courses in Scotland -- one outside Aberdeen and Trump Turnberry on the southwest coast.
Writing in The Press and Journal, a Scottish regional newspaper, the tycoon said that he should be thanked instead of being castigated.
"I have done so much for Scotland," the 69-year-old said.
"If they -- Nicola Sturgeon and RGU -- were going to do this, they should have informed me prior to my major investment in this £200 million ($300 million, 275 million euro) development, which will totally revitalise that vast region of Scotland.
"The UK politicians should be thanking me instead of pandering to political correctness."
Meanwhile a petition seeking to ban Trump from Britain -- started before his latest outburst -- has topped 450,000 signatures in the wake of his views on Muslim immigration.
It overtook the petitions "Accept more asylum seekers and increase support for refugee migrants in the UK" and "Stop all immigration and close the UK borders until ISIS (the Islamic State jihadist group) is defeated", which both have more than 440,000 signatories.
A "Don't ban Trump" counter-petition has received more than 17,500 signatures.
Petitions that top 100,000 are considered for debate in parliament.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/uk-politicians-thank-trump-153948419.html#2TVpQuu
im figuring him as Gog , I don't think Magog would style *^&%$ 's hair in such a way.
funbox
*no available noun :D
Well- - - regardless of opinions, the President of the United States, as by determined law, has the authority to do that which Donald Trump has suggested that he would do if elected. Even Jimmy Carter, a Democrat President, did similarly with Iranians during his term of office. The law is well established, as noted in the attached screenshot! So, a lot of people need "to get over it"!
Personally, I believe most US citizens will agree that until we have a good way to completely vet muslim immigration, muslim immigration does need to be STOPPED, because of the severe threat of terrorist possibilities.
Of course, and obviously, the life in the islam faith is totally and diametrically opposed to the tenants of life and liberty in the United States, especially for women, regardless of whether or not there is any terrorism. Islam will never stop its cause to gain total control of life and law (Shira), in the United States of America, and the whole earth!!!!!!!!
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Quote from: rdunk on December 11, 2015, 04:21:46 AM
Well- - - regardless of opinions, the President of the United States, as by determined law, has the authority to do that which Donald Trump has suggested that he would do if elected. Even Jimmy Carter, a Democrat President, did similarly with Iranians during his term of office. The law is well established, as noted in the attached screenshot! So, a lot of people need "to get over it"!
Personally, I believe most US citizens will agree that until we have a good way to completely vet muslim immigration, muslim immigration does need to be STOPPED, because of the severe threat of terrorist possibilities.
Of course, and obviously, the life in the islam faith is totally and diametrically opposed to the tenants of life and liberty in the United States, especially for women, regardless of whether or not there is any terrorism. Islam will never stop its cause to gain total control of life and law (Shira), in the United States of America, and the whole earth!!!!!!!!
(http://s15.postimg.org/rj4b6y7ij/Screen_Shot_2015_12_10_at_10_07_00_PM.jpg)
I think its about time for that invasion, are we thoroughly mixed yet >? *insert planetary ideological reset here*
funbox
Banning people from a specific religion from entering the country it's not the same thing as banning people from a specific country, but I think that even that is a stupid move.
One thing that has not been talked about (as far as I have seen) is what should be done about the Muslims living in the US, put them in those famous FEMA camps?
To me, Trump is being used as a test case, to see what people are willing to accept or not.
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Quote from: astr0144 on December 11, 2015, 02:30:15 AM
I am not sure what Religion if any Obama maybe..
But if he was Muslim, that certainly would be a conflicting situation in the USA.
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Trump Polling Lead Surges After Anti-Muslim CommentsQuoteDonald Trump, GOP frontrunner and self-styled anti-establishment candidate, knows how to entertain.
He also understands that he has built a political brand which garners momentum from the very type of controversy that would sink any other candidate in the field.
When you put those two things together, you have a recipe for bombastic rhetoric designed to hold the electorate in a perpetual state of shock and embed a tiny voice that says "you know, maybe he's right" in the back of voters' collective mind.
The genius of Trump is that he's been remarkably adept at making voters question whether what he says is actually crazy or just sounds that way because Americans have been conditioned to recoil at anything that breaks decorum or sounds like it might not be "PC." And that plays right into his message. He makes you wonder if it's you that's the crazy one. Perhaps you've been put in a stupor by years of watered down stump speeches and Trump is just speaking plainly and saying what everyone knows is true but is too scared to say in public. If that's true, he's a kind of nationalistic Morpheus trying to pull you out of a dangerous, misplaced multiculturalism Matrix. Or at least that's what he wants you to think. It could be that he is exactly what his detractors say he is: a demagogue that's stark raving mad.
As we said earlier this week, voters will ultimately decide what Trump is or isn't and render their judgement at the polls and make no mistake, the Donald's controversial suggestion that Muslims should be banned from entering the country has resonated with large swaths of the electorate and a new poll shows that in South Carolina, Trump has opened up a commanding lead since creating a firestorm on Monday.
"It's no wonder Trump is leading," GOP mouthpiece Fox News (which has had its differences with Trump this year) says. "He's ahead among both those who prioritize national security and economic issues. He's the top pick among voters on the two most important candidate qualities -- strong leader and, to a lesser degree, honest and trustworthy. Plus, he's considered the most electable -- by a lot."
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-10/trump-polling-lead-surges-after-anti-muslim-comments
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BTW Has anyone noticed THIS?
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Even the Mainstream Media has had enough of Obama
Obama slammed by media for ISIS response and strategy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EHnSL9Pzm0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EHnSL9Pzm0
Obama Bows to Saudi King
(http://www.wnd.com/images/misc/100421bowingtwo.jpg)
As Leader of one of the most powerful Nations Obama should NOT have bowed. Protocol for bowing would have been a nod of the head while maintaining eye contact as a sign of respect for an equal.. NOT bowing like a VASSAL
Unless of course you ARE a VASSAL :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WlqW6UCeaY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WlqW6UCeaY
Now I need to add some more context to this ....
Not many people know this, even though a 12 year old girl showed that ALL the Presidents except one are connected by blood. And no the one is NOT Obama
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_-tlro8BilQ/UhfHbTVbqGI/AAAAAAAAAgc/MlvEORPOgcM/s1600/uf4fa8a25e.jpg)
Now it gets weird. How many have seen Bush bow to the Saudi King? Yes yes he was accepting a medal of some kind :P
Point is despite what Snopes says despite what FAUX news said here it is Bush Bowing to the Saudi King and getting his reward :P
(http://images.alarabiya.net/7f/f3/640x392_51832_44215.jpg)
Now for the REALLY WEIRD part...
(http://www.hermes-press.com/BushKiss2.jpg)
(http://upload.democraticunderground.com/top10/09/362_kiss1.jpg)
(http://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/bush_kissshafiq2.jpg)
(http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/files/2012/06/bush-king.jpg)
(https://melaniekillingervowell.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/bush-kisses-saudi-prince-4-15-09.png)
(http://www.voicesofliberty.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/George_W_Bush_Prince_Abdullah_kiss_.jpg)
(https://my2bucks.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/bush-saudi-hand-holding-2.jpg)
(http://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/01/23/world/JP-23ABDULLAH-1-obit/JP-23ABDULLAH-1-obit-articleLarge.jpg)
There are LOTS more but you can see why we are in a MESS
The Bush-Saudi Connection
By Michelle MairesseQuoteWith C.I.A. funding, Osama bin Laden imported engineers and equipment from his father's Saudi construction company to build tunnels for guerrilla training centers and hospitals, and for arms dumps near the Pakistan border. After the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan, the C.I.A. and the Pakistani intelligence agency sponsored the Taliban organization, a government composed of the fanatic Wahhabi Islamic sect, the same sect that is the state religion in Saudi Arabia. Although followers of the Wahhabi sect do not refer to themselves as Wahhabis, the label is useful because it applies to a single Muslim group with a set of beliefs peculiar to them alone: Wahhabis maintain that Shi'ites and Sufis are not Muslims, and that Muslims should not visit shrines or celebrate Mohammed's birthday. (3)
The Saudi sheiks have been Wahhabis since they intermarried with the family of a puritanical Muslim scholar, Mohammed ibn Abd al-Wahhab, in 1774. Supported first by Britain and later by the United States, the Saudis captured the Muslim holy cities of Mecca and Medina, easily gaining control of the entire Arabian peninsula.
Wherever they ruled, the Wahhabis imposed their medieval code on their hapless subjects, making public spectacles of stoning adulterers to death and maiming thieves, destroying decorated mosques and cemeteries, prohibiting music, sequestering women, and promoting war on infidels. The Saudi sheiks have lavished funds on anti-American and anti-Israeli terrorists-in-training while indoctrinating other Muslims through its worldwide network of religious schools, mosques, newspapers, and presses.
Just a few qoutes This article is very long and detailed and YES Osama bin Laden was part of this family
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QuoteThe Wahhabi Taliban in Afghanistan had the blessings of the Saudi royal family and of The Big Three--the bin Laden family, the al Ahmoudi family, and the Mahfouz family--the richest clans in that medieval kingdom. (Khalid bin Mahfouz is bin Laden's brother-in-law, according to the C.I.A.). The desert oligarchs profited from world-wide investments as well as sleazy banking schemes such as the infamous Bank of Credit and Commerce International.
Salem bin Laden, Osama's brother, has conducted all his American affairs through James Bath, a Houston crony of the Bush family. Bath's former business partner Bill White testified in court that Bath had been a liaison for the C.I.A. In 1979 Bath invested $50,000 in Arbusto, George W. Bush's first business venture. Rumor had it that Bath was acting as Salem bin Laden's representative. "In conflicting statements, Bush at first denied ever knowing Bath, then acknowledged his stake in Arbusto and that he was aware Bath represented Saudi interests."
QuoteIn June 1990, Bush Junior sold his Harken stock for a juicy $848,000, enabling him to pay off the loan he had assumed on buying shares in the Texas Rangers. Never mind that the Harken stock promptly tanked when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, for Abdullah Bakhsh, a major Harken shareholder and an investor in BCCI, who had purchased 17% of Harken Energy in 1987, got his money's worth. By 1990, Bakhsh's representative on Harken's board, Talet Othman, began attending Middle East policy discussions with President Bush Senior.
Now that Bush Junior occupies the White House, Bush Senior receives frequent CIA briefings (his prerogative as a former president). "In July 2001, Bush personally contacted Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah to 'clarify' his son's Middle East policies. Also during the summer of 2001, Bush forwarded his son a North Korea policy plan penned by 'Asia expert' and former ambassador to Korea, Donald Gregg. Gregg is a 31-year CIA veteran and the elder Bush's former national security adviser whose expertise involved participation in the Vietnam-era Phoenix Program (death squads), Air America heroin smuggling, 'pacification' efforts in El Salvador and Guatemala, the 'October Surprise,' and the Iran-Contra operation (for which Gregg received a Bush pardon in 1992)." (20)
Bush Junior has received more than advice from his father. He has taken on the team of hustlers and criminals that worked with George Herbert Walker Bush when he was Vice President and President of the United States of America.
Just as his father did, he invokes executive privilege to hide all evidence of collusion with the petroleum pashas who have enriched the Bushes and intimidated the rest of us.
Sandy Tolan, an I.F. Stone Fellow at the Graduate School of Journalism at UC Berkeley, asserts that what the Bush administration really wants in Iraq is a remapping of the Mideast. "The plan is, in its way, as ambitious as the 1916 Sykes-Picot agreement between the empires of Britain and France, which carved up the region at the fall of the Ottoman Empire. The neo-imperial vision, which can be ascertained from the writings of key administration figures and their co-visionaries in influential conservative think tanks, includes not only regime change in Iraq but control of Iraqi oil, a possible end to the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries and newly compliant governments in Syria and Iran -- either by force or internal rebellion."
The Bushes are carriers of the deny-destroy-and-be-damned virus. Prescott Bush never apologized for trading with the Nazis. George Bush Senior professed to know nothing of the drug and arms dealing that funded the bloody, illegal Iran-Contra operations, although it was common knowledge that he directed them. He and his sons enriched themselves through shady real estate deals and financial manipulations that brought down entire banking and savings and loan institutions. They are all consummate inside traders, looting and leaving ruin in their wake.
President-Select George Bush is no exception. He has no scruples about exploiting his office for personal and family gain. The Texas governor who could joke about frying prisoners in the electric chair will not, as president, agonize over the decision to send young men and women into battle--or over denying them medical care when they are injured.
(http://www.hermes-press.com/tower12.jpg)
There is irrefutable evidence that highly-placed Saudis aided and supported the terrorists who murdered over 3000 American citizens on September 11, 2001. Yet George Bush persists in protecting and colluding with those who sponsor terrorists. Is this not an an act of treason?
Will George Bush ever be tried and convicted for war crimes?
http://www.hermes-press.com/BushSaud.htm
QuoteTo me, Trump is being used as a test case, to see what people are willing to accept or not.
I have to agree with ArMaP here..
I think his rhetoric is a test;
a test for the popularity of the things he proposes
a test before a major move of some type in the states
wheather it is a sweep of removing certain folk or a transfer of governing to a certain group..
but it is surely a test of just what can be done to the populace without them rebelling
imo of course
Is that to suggest that you think that Trump is part of the establishment who ever that maybe..Govt / NWO ... and that he is playing the part for them...and that He was suggested by them to make his statement ?
Or did he make his statement on his own accord and that the Govt/NWO are now taking advantage of what he has said to see what is likely to happen...or thees a combination of the public challenging him a well as some possible Govt plants...
or something else ?
Calls to ban Donald Trump from the UK rejected by George Osborne
George Osborne rejects calls for US presidential hopeful Donald Trump to be banned from the UK despite more than 100,000 people signing a petition demanding the move.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/video/calls-ban-donald-trump-uk-143400289.html
Quote from: astr0144 on December 12, 2015, 02:14:39 AM
Is that to suggest that you think that Trump is part of the establishment who ever that maybe..Govt / NWO ... and that he is playing the part for them...and that He was suggested by them to make his statement ?
Mostly yes.
From what I have seen in recent years, it looks like the presidential candidates in the US are chosen for what they may represent to the public instead of what they propose to do. For example, the choice between Obama and Hilary Clinton looked like a test to see if what some people said (that the US will elect a black president before electing a woman) was true.
Also, their politics, regardless of political side, look too close for people to have a real choice, so they use people that can be chosen for other reasons.
Quote from: space otter on December 11, 2015, 03:50:42 PM
I have to agree with ArMaP here..
I think his rhetoric is a test;
a test for the popularity of the things he proposes
a test before a major move of some type in the states
wheather it is a sweep of removing certain folk or a transfer of governing to a certain group..
but it is surely a test of just what can be done to the populace without them rebelling
imo of course
I agree... and so does FOX NEWS )of all people :P )
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That could be an interesting theory..
With Trump.. I was unsure if he is / was someone who was deciding to oppose the existing system or if hes part of it..
Again IF Alex Jones is a Schill.. and they have slowly led to a series of events between them or maybe many others who we are not sure about.. then that does make it very hard to try to work out whats really going on..
With Trump being a High profiled Businessman...I considered that he maybe someone who overall was Honest and maybe was really concerned that the System was getting out of hand and that he decided to challenge it..
or...
Are all the MAIN Candidates (Obama/Bush/Clinton/Trump) all in on this and acting it out in some way I wonder ?
and is the system so corrupt that NO one dare challenge it..
It seems it maybe a risk if anyone really ever considered it...
and may change ones views on many past theories..
or is the system what we all should accept and its honest and we should all be happy with ! ???
Its also disturbing and depressing..
Is there anyone who maybe really opposing anything in reality ?
or just one big whole drama to keep the masses in the belief someones challenging it..
ArMaP
QuoteMostly yes.
From what I have seen in recent years, it looks like the presidential candidates in the US are chosen for what they may represent to the public instead of what they propose to do. For example, the choice between Obama and Hilary Clinton looked like a test to see if what some people said (that the US will elect a black president before electing a woman) was true.
Also, their politics, regardless of political side, look too close for people to have a real choice, so they use people that can be chosen for other reasons.
Quote from: astr0144 on December 13, 2015, 02:40:44 AM
Again IF Alex Jones is a Schill.. and they have slowly led to a series of events between them or maybe many others who we are not sure about.. then that does make it very hard to try to work out whats really going on..
I do think Alex Jones is a schil, someone like him is in a very good position for that, and if he was bad for TPTB they would have shut him up a long time ago, there are many simple ways of doing that without attracting attentions.
QuoteWith Trump being a High profiled Businessman...I considered that he maybe someone who overall was Honest and maybe was really concerned that the System was getting out of hand and that he decided to challenge it..
I don't think that "high profile businessman" and "honest" should be on the same sentence. :P
QuoteAre all the MAIN Candidates (Obama/Bush/Clinton/Trump) all in on this and acting it out in some way I wonder ?
The main candidates are all from just two political parties, so the only thing that is needed is that both political parties have some kind of agreement or are just acting in the name of another, unknown, power. Judging by how politics in the US are the result of lobbying, I think that a hidden lobbying power could be behind this, choosing which candidate appears to have the higher public acceptance and presenting that one as the next president, so people do not suspect when he/she wins the elections.
Quoteand is the system so corrupt that NO one dare challenge it..
It's easy, no one challenges it because they are all part of it, why kill their chicken (or goose, I don't remember the story ;D) that lays the golden eggs?
Quoteor is the system what we all should accept and its honest and we should all be happy with ! ???
Nobody should accept it, but in this kind of things most Americans appear to be blind, accepting things as they are instead of asking for a more direct election.
QuoteIs there anyone who maybe really opposing anything in reality ?
As things are, I don't think there is, as people are happy in their ignorance and as long as they let them have their guns they will let the government and other political powers to do whatever they want.
(I think this whole talk about gun rights may be just another way of making people look the other way)
Quoteor just one big whole drama to keep the masses in the belief someones challenging it..
Yes, that's the easiest way of doing things: create your own "enemy", one you control, and present it as an active danger when you see people are disliking what you want, as then you will appear as a co-victim of the actions of the "enemy" and people will support you.
That's one of the reasons I think Obama has been doing all these late actions that make him lose support, to make it easier for him to be replaced by the next dummy.
FWIW!! I believe that Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, and Ben Carson are individually crusading for what they think is best for we the people, and for the United States of America. And many many of the electorate of this country are making it clear in the "polls" (for what polls are worth??) that they are supporting and agreeing with these candidate's on the severe change specifics they are continuing to express.
Even before Obama, this country was going down the road of government over-reach, and that such has been highlighted to the extreme with the current administration, even taking it outside Constitutional law. The voices of the people have begun to "cry out in the wilderness", and FINALLY their voices are being heard. There is so much that needs to be done to get this country back on the standard track of American values and way of life in a land of and by and for the people - not "FOR" the government.
The World of today is rapidly changing, and right now this change is not being well managed, particularly not being "managed" in the normal fashion thru the strength and greatness of the United States. I believe Trump and/or Cruz are fully capable of leading this country in every area of needed change/correction. I also believe Ted Cruz to be the candidate with the strongest evidence of being a true conservative in thought and action.
It will be the votes of the people that give light to the truth of this matter!!! :)
Canada Will Welcome 25,000 Refugees, But No Single Straight MenCanada is allowing Syrian refugees in. Seems they are hand picked and funded PRIVATELY by undisclosed people
However Canada is also banning SINGLE MALES (like the ones we see all over the news stirring up the trouble) So Trump isn't the only one sending a harsh message
(http://s.newsweek.com/sites/www.newsweek.com/files/styles/embedded/public/2015/11/24/11-24-refugees.jpg)
Displaced people from the minority Yazidi sect, fleeing violence from forces loyal to the Islamic State in Sinjar town, walk towards the Syrian border, near the border town of Elierbeh of Al-Hasakah Governorate, August 11, 2014. RODE SAID/REUTERSQuoteCanadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced on Tuesday that the country will go ahead with its plan to resettle 25,000 Syrian refugees, moving the deadline from the end of the year to February 2016.
Earlier reports by CBC News had refugee advocates worried, citing an unnamed source who said Canada would only accept families, lone women or children because single men are considered too much of a security risk. On Tuesday, government officials said single gay men—a group often targeted by the Islamic state militant group ISIS—would still be welcome.
According to CBC News, Canadian authorities have started processing hopefuls, screening around 100 refugees a day in Lebanon in order to reach the government's self-imposed target.
http://www.newsweek.com/canada-will-welcome-25000-refugees-no-single-straight-men-398045
Great Words... Time to REMEMBER THEM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AG6baobrlM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AG6baobrlM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlgTwp93E48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlgTwp93E48
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiRySXzyqk8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiRySXzyqk8
Trumps is going to win.
Here's the CNN video from this morning
Link - http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/13/politics/donald-trump-muslim-ban-state-of-the-union/index.html
post edited to be nicer :P
Quote from: easynow on December 13, 2015, 09:29:39 PM
Trumps is going to win.
We will see about that when the time comes, but I don't think he will.
are YOU registered to vote?
this many folk may be deciding the next pres
126,144,000
..be afraid..be very afraid ::)
http://www.statisticbrain.com/voting-statistics/
Voter Registration Statistics Data
Total number of Americans eligible to vote 218,959,000
Total number of Americans registered to vote 146,311,000
Total number of Americans who voted in the 2012 Presidential election 126,144,000
Percent of Americans who voted in the 2012 Presidential election 57.5 %
State with the highest voter turnout rate (Minnesota) 75 %
State with the lowest voter turnout rate (Utah) 53.1 %
Voter Registration by Demographics Percent
Hi ArMaP,
I probably should try initially to answer your comments in a certain way first..and may have to come back to that..
but something sometimes just pops in my mind.. so I write it when it does....but I may get back to your other comments later if I can.
What you say could possibly be correct IF that is how it really is ! and your comments may make good sense.
Its possibly a good description and explanation.
But I am now thinking could there be another side to this !
as much as I am sure there could be numerous possibilities.
What Id like to know is this..
IF the overall system is corrupt..ran by a manipulative criminals..
One assumes there is also a Group of similar Persons who MAY Oppose them / the System..who are also in Powerful positions.
It maybe a question as WHO is the most Powerful...Would that be down to Numbers, money.. Intellect, mental strength, Brawn...High Testorone...breed or what ever..I am not entirely sure..
But if there was such a Elitest Group...Is there a reason to let the Corrupt ones appear to be running the World ?
Or Could they Take Over if they desired and change things ?
If they attempted to take over.. they may still be subject to being targeted by the other Groups..
So do they stay in the Shadows and do they have other ways that may effect what goes on I wonder..
With regards to A.J... yes they could shut him down...in many ways... if he was legit in terms of being who he claims to be..as a type of Revolutionist..
If they did I am not sure how this would effect things or the masses who may follow him..
Butt it could just be that one day he has been found deceased in a Car crash or something..and most people may not overall know what to think as much as his followers may always suspect fowl play..
We see the likes of the Bond Movies and are led to believe Bonds side is the good guys and hes opposing the bad ones...
But those of us who have tried to investigate some of this stuff are aware that likes of the Secret Services work for the system..
be it Govts or whoever ...
You / maybe I would had thought that there could be such a Elite group that could be able to oppose things...But one wonders what it is they maybe doing about it..
QuoteI do think Alex Jones is a schil, someone like him is in a very good position for that, and if he was bad for TPTB they would have shut him up a long time ago, there are many simple ways of doing that without attracting attentions.
If they say they will only accept Gay males..One assumes its down to the populations control issues or maybe that they are seen also as less a threat..
I wonder how they would be 100% certain that the males they accept would be 100% Gay.
Do they have a way of knowing who is Gay ?
What if Straight males claim to be Gay !
As that's what may happen if they are desperate to get in !
QuoteCanada Will Welcome 25,000 Refugees, But No Single Straight Men
Canada is allowing Syrian refugees in. Seems they are hand picked and funded PRIVATELY by undisclosed people
However Canada is also banning SINGLE MALES (like the ones we see all over the news stirring up the trouble) So Trump isn't the only one sending a harsh message
Quote from: astr0144 on December 14, 2015, 02:07:55 AM
If they say they will only accept Gay males..One assumes its down to the populations control issues or maybe that they are seen also as less a threat..
I wonder how they would be 100% certain that the males they accept would be 100% Gay.
Do they have a way of knowing who is Gay ?
What if Straight males claim to be Gay !
As that's what may happen if they are desperate to get in !
We are talking Muslim here To them being Gay is punishable by death or worse
::)
Now you clarify that "Z".. I see your point..
I had initially also considered that some Countries only accept certain people.. not just down to ones Sexuality...so I was thinking also in terms that some of the male population may want to get into Canada and are being denied.. in this case because they are Straight..
Is that being Biased ? or right ?
Quote from: astr0144 on December 14, 2015, 02:00:19 AM
IF the overall system is corrupt..ran by a manipulative criminals..
One assumes there is also a Group of similar Persons who MAY Oppose them / the System..who are also in Powerful positions.
Why? ???
QuoteWith regards to A.J... yes they could shut him down...in many ways... if he was legit in terms of being who he claims to be..as a type of Revolutionist..
If they did I am not sure how this would effect things or the masses who may follow him..
Butt it could just be that one day he has been found deceased in a Car crash or something..and most people may not overall know what to think as much as his followers may always suspect fowl play..
It's much easier to create some case about him that makes him look bad and then, as we say in Portugal, "put it on the shelve", meaning that he would get a contract with some company but wouldn't do any work.
Quote from: astr0144 on December 14, 2015, 12:18:52 PM
Is that being Biased ? or right ?
I think it's just stupid.
If their idea is to accept gay men because they (theoretically) would be persecuted by ISIS and so are not terrorists, how are they going to know if they are gay or not? Ask them?
Quote from: ArMaP on December 14, 2015, 09:25:30 PM
I think it's just stupid.
If their idea is to accept gay men because they (theoretically) would be persecuted by ISIS and so are not terrorists, how are they going to know if they are gay or not? Ask them?
Either that or they know that no gay Muslim would openly admit it so they can just ban all young single males but make it look like they care :P
Quote from: zorgon on December 15, 2015, 12:59:06 AM
Either that or they know that no gay Muslim would openly admit it so they can just ban all young single males but make it look like they care :P
In that case, the ones not worried with lying would be the terrorists, as they see the lie as just another thing they have to do to reach their goal.
Which is why background checks are not working :P