Just ran across this video. It is really something different. I have watched it, but know nothing else about it. i wanted to post it for everyone, and see if anyone here has any knowledge on this stuff. Some of the "artifacts", if real, are really incredible.
Also, wasn't sure of just the right place to post this, so, if it should be in another place, the Sr. Mod. is free to move it! ;)
What do you think?
Note: This is much better if you can view in "full screen"! Also, as most would know, play can be "paused" for close study of an article
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxWSOvIPH5M
Dam' Ya beat Me to it! LOL!
While I was capturing and messing with contract, You were posting. The image I attach here is the clearest in stating We WERE visited in that whole sequence:
;D Slow Poke!
Yes, that artifact does pretty much reveal, in a "purposely designed piece" a complete story, to anyone with an inquisitive mind! Just a really clear piece of "art" that is being used to convey a wealth of information - or so it seems.
Of course, there are so many presented in the video that also broadly present the "originators' " intents (if real)
lol, I did try to rotate the pic, and then I say it was already in the right perspective anyway!
Where can one fond more info on this?
This does not seem Mayan, but more like Aztec as their calendar is shown, at the 4:34 mark, the sacred Teonanacatl, or the sacred mushroom, appears to be carved in said artifacts, many have reported contact with the "wanderers" while consuming it in certain places and rituals, and most report seeing the folk presented in the carvings.
We need more info regarding its origin and age, some do not trust Mr Haramein at all, but I do, in "The fractal nature of the Universe" he got my attention, as his descriptions are accurate according the ancient traditions, which on occasions have a bit more sense than the half truth we take for granted today.
As the OP says, if this is true, expect the unexpected, some ceremonial pieces were not meant to be seen by everyone, it seems the world is changing!
thanks for the heads up!
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http://www.blossomrivergroup.com/scientific_studies.php#relics
Well, here they are..
according to the site the UNAM, an university in Mexico, and one in Austria studied the pieces, they don't offer any proof of it tho, yet they claim the pieces are thousands of years old...
very odd, more research must be made, cheers!
I have briefly search on the net for more info, and so far, I an just finding other sites that have the video.
In looking more at the artifacts shown, there is so much incredible stuff depicted in some of them. Of course, we cannot tell from just seeing them whether they are real, but if they aren't, some one has gone to much effort to create these - - and for what purpose?
Now, I just found another presentation on some of this. I have only watched the first few seconds of it, but I already know it will be interesting,I will post this video below!
After now watching it, only the first few minutes are in English, and it is related to one of the disc artifacts. I will also look for the first part of this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXHviYiGKj4
Quote from: TheProphetOmega on February 27, 2012, 10:04:49 PM
Where can one fond more info on this?
This does not seem Mayan, but more like Aztec as their calendar is shown, at the 4:34 mark, the sacred Teonanacatl, or the sacred mushroom, appears to be carved in said artifacts, many have reported contact with the "wanderers" while consuming it in certain places and rituals, and most report seeing the folk presented in the carvings.
We need more info regarding its origin and age, some do not trust Mr Haramein at all, but I do, in "The fractal nature of the Universe" he got my attention, as his descriptions are accurate according the ancient traditions, which on occasions have a bit more sense than the half truth we take for granted today.
As the OP says, if this is true, expect the unexpected, some ceremonial pieces were not meant to be seen by everyone, it seems the world is changing!
thanks for the heads up!
..
http://www.blossomrivergroup.com/scientific_studies.php#relics
Well, here they are..
according to the site the UNAM, an university in Mexico, and one in Austria studied the pieces, they don't offer any proof of it tho, yet they claim the pieces are thousands of years old...
very odd, more research must be made, cheers!
Not sure why You mistrust Haramein... Maybe it's because I have a big crush on Him that I hang on His every word. Do You have info that leads You to conclude He is not on the up and up?
I agree that fractals are everywhere, even in society where (so far) one seed parameter is energy scarcity, giving rise to greed, poverty, power elite, hunger and the need for money (which merely accounts for meaningful energy expended).
I see You are new here and would like to invite You to sign My petition (linked in My sig) to release the 50+ year old tech of electrogravitics - one property of which is overunity ("free energy"). Read more about how I know about it at the petition.
You misread what I said:
QuoteSome do not trust Mr Haramein at all, but I do, in "The fractal nature of the Universe" he got my attention
I do trust him, some do not, I have read several of his works and have found a greater deal of clarity from his interpretations than from the mainstream cannon.
If he backs this artifacts maybe they might be the "real deal", but so far the site I posted seems very shady, I more than anyone else in the world would wish for these artifacts to be "real", and not for me but for the rest of the world, the wanderers and the visitors mean a lot to me!
So far there isn't much "meaty" information out there regarding the artifacts, I need more!
I know a bit about ancient mesoamerican art, and those seem to me like something they would have made, and kept for the priests only, its not unheard of that some old families in Mexico keep weird artifacts, some do pop up from time to time, but this, is game changing!
cheers!
Quote from: TheProphetOmega on February 27, 2012, 10:47:53 PM
You misread what I said:
I do trust him, some do not, I have read several of his works and have found a greater deal of clarity from his interpretations than from the mainstream cannon.
If he backs this artifacts maybe they might be the "real deal", but so far the site I posted seems very shady, I more than anyone else in the world would wish for these artifacts to be "real", and not for me but for the rest of the world, the wanderers and the visitors mean a lot to me!
So far there isn't much "meaty" information out there regarding the artifacts, I need more!
I know a bit about ancient mesoamerican art, and those seem to me like something they would have made, and kept for the priests only, its not unheard of that some old families in Mexico keep weird artifacts, some do pop up from time to time, but this, is game changing!
cheers!
You're right! I did indeed. Mea culpa. Thanks for...er...clarifying!
EDIT to add: I have a deep sense that these are the real deal. Since, through Sumerian work and The Terra Papers, I had concluded We were genetically engineered by extraterrestrials, this stuff fits right in. And, well...Haramein said so! LOL!
On Saturday (when I first saw this video on another forum) I sent an email to the Austrian museum, and that's why they changed the text they had, that said that the museum had made several tests for which they do not even have the equipment. Now they say that the Austrian museum only made the "materials test" and that the result was "kaolin".
Those artefacts look fake to me (that's why I sent the email to the museum), and the fact that they ask for 75 and 47 million dollars for two pieces (another member of that other forum asked them) doesn't help.
And I never trust in something just because someone says it. :)
Ah, but You know puppy love is blind. What can I say? Haramein has every element I look for in a man... Tall, dark, handsome, and, ESPECIALLY, bright and science oriented.
I'm just a sucker for a man like that.
Quote from: ArMaP on February 28, 2012, 12:08:23 AM
On Saturday (when I first saw this video on another forum) I sent an email to the Austrian museum, and that's why they changed the text they had, that said that the museum had made several tests for which they do not even have the equipment. Now they say that the Austrian museum only made the "materials test" and that the result was "kaolin".
Those artifact's look fake to me (that's why I sent the email to the museum), and the fact that they ask for 75 and 47 million dollars for two pieces (another member of that other forum asked them) doesn't help.
And I never trust in something just because someone says it. :)
Well ArMaP, of course none of us knows the credibility of these objects yet. But I, and maybe some of the others here could benefit if you could tell us just why, as you say, "Those artifacts look fake to me". I assume you have some experience with such things as these that the rest of us do not. I certainly don't!
Obviously, for most of us, we cannot say yea or nay, about these, and you say they look fake. Please enlighten us on what you are seeing that gives you that impression of fakeness.
Quote from: rdunk on February 28, 2012, 01:24:54 AM
I assume you have some experience with such things as these that the rest of us do not.
I don't have any experience with real ancient objects, I have only seen photos.
But from what I can see on that site, the artefacts look too uniform, with perfect grooves, with no clear damages to the edges of the grooves, the straight lines are perfectly straight, etc., while the real ancient artefacts show, besides a lack of such perfect lines, signs of the time passed.
Quote from: ArMaP on February 28, 2012, 01:47:41 AM
I don't have any experience with real ancient objects, I have only seen photos.
But from what I can see on that site, the artefacts look too uniform, with perfect grooves, with no clear damages to the edges of the grooves, the straight lines are perfectly straight, etc., while the real ancient artefacts show, besides a lack of such perfect lines, signs of the time passed.
Hey, ArMap, and what a unique set of circumstances, eh?
I for one have experience with actually touching and physically examining authentic artifacts, and have seen much more accurate and perfect renditions of events on stone,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumapunku
so the detail isnt really important as is the subject matter on them.
What the artifacts show is so controversial to some, who have been searching their whole life for proof, and now cant believe they have found it, is the truth about their history.
Of course there is always the possibility of fraud, but Klaus Dona, and several other well known scientists would have gone down with him if he got caught faking it.
Not enough reason imho to compromise your integrity, for a lifetime of ridicule and being cast off.
Thanks for the banter, and happy dreams tonight!
Littleenki
In the Aztec world, a select few were allowed to make stone or ceremonial artifacts, let alone carve the images of their deities on mundane items, the caste that was trained since childhood to be the vessels of the expressive forces were called Tlakuilos, or the carvers in stone or wood, here are a few examples from the Mendoza Codex (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Codex_Mendoza_folio_70r_portion.jpg)
Certain stylistic designs were taught and said to be preferred over certain others, this can be seen studying several ancient images, where one can find that almost all of their designs look alike, the materials and colors were also important and had meaning, for instance things carved in bone had a different meaning than things carved in stone, even if they were the same model.
I can see some inconsistencies in the gallery , Item 6 does not look like of ancient design, the calendar at its feet is the Aztec sun calendar, for them the symbol was a great deal, and something they did not use lightly, the proportions and the general outlines do not seem to me like a true work as it is a different expressive style, now, there are some others like Item 55 do look very similar to some glyphs I have personally seen elsewhere.
I know they are Aztec if indeed they all are of the same batch basing me on the depiction of the Sun calendar and Item 12, which depicts a similar glyph for coyotl, here are some images for comparison so you can know what Im talking about:
(http://www.holmerarts.com/rick/codex/dates/week18.jpg)
As I mentioned earlier, in Mexico from time to time, artifacts do pop up, or one hears about someone being in possession of something very special, for instance, my ex wife has some relatives that had a very ruined pyramid on a lot they owned in the state of Veracruz, ancient dinosaur figurines have been found in that state BTW, the locals knew of the pyramid there but since the owners were influential members of their community no one made much fuss about it, they sacked and sold lots of stuff from that site over the years, so its not unheard of.
As for the looks of the pieces, yeah its a bit suspicious, some look too clean while others too worn down, regarding the general lines well, one just need to take a look at this:
(http://www.famsi.org/research/graz/borgia/page51.jpg)
they were more than capable of depicting star visitors if they ever had contact with them, it was as significant then as it is now.
The money making schemes will always follow stuff like this around, sadly its the way of the world right now, I have my doubts, some look like real pieces while others do not, time will tell, we still need more than "some universities, and "central Mexico" as proof!.
Some look as if new, but lets remember that some Egyptian artifacts look brand new also, after thousands of years, several conditions must be met for an item to get preserved like that, humidity, enclosure, etc, etc, but if they were well kept it would not be so far fetched to have been preserved like that, it is quite unusual.
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Regarding the last post, yeah the Klaus factor does add up some points towards this being real! could it possible be? ;)
hopefully we will know soon
Quote from: TheProphetOmega on February 28, 2012, 02:40:14 AM
In the Aztec world, a select few were allowed to make stone or ceremonial artifacts, let alone carve the images of their deities on mundane items, the caste that was trained since childhood to be the vessels of the expressive forces were called Tlakuilos, or the carvers in stone or wood, here are a few examples from the Mendoza Codex (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Codex_Mendoza_folio_70r_portion.jpg)
Certain stylistic designs were taught and said to be preferred over certain others, this can be seen studying several ancient images, where one can find that almost all of their designs look alike, the materials and colors were also important and had meaning, for instance things carved in bone had a different meaning than things carved in stone, even if they were the same model.
I can see some inconsistencies in the gallery , Item 6 does not look like of ancient design, the calendar at its feet is the Aztec sun calendar, for them the symbol was a great deal, and something they did not use lightly, the proportions and the general outlines do not seem to me like a true work as it is a different expressive style, now, there are some others like Item 55 do look very similar to some glyphs I have personally seen elsewhere.
I know they are Aztec if indeed they all are of the same batch basing me on the depiction of the Sun calendar and Item 12, which depicts a similar glyph for coyotl, here are some images for comparison so you can know what Im talking about:
(http://www.holmerarts.com/rick/codex/dates/week18.jpg)
As I mentioned earlier, in Mexico from time to time, artifacts do pop up, or one hears about someone being in possession of something very special, for instance, my ex wife has some relatives that had a very ruined pyramid on a lot they owned in the state of Veracruz, ancient dinosaur figurines have been found in that state BTW, the locals knew of the pyramid there but since the owners were influential members of their community no one made much fuss about it, they sacked and sold lots of stuff from that site over the years, so its not unheard of.
As for the looks of the pieces, yeah its a bit suspicious, some look too clean while others too worn down, regarding the general lines well, one just need to take a look at this:
(http://www.famsi.org/research/graz/borgia/page51.jpg)
they were more than capable of depicting star visitors if they ever had contact with them, it was as significant then as it is now.
The money making schemes will always follow stuff like this around, sadly its the way of the world right now, I have my doubts, some look like real pieces while others do not, time will tell, we still need more than "some universities, and "central Mexico" as proof!.
Some look as if new, but lets remember that some Egyptian artifacts look brand new also, after thousands of years, several conditions must be met for an item to get preserved like that, humidity, enclosure, etc, etc, but if they were well kept it would not be so far fetched to have been preserved like that, it is quite unusual.
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Regarding the last post, yeah the Klaus factor does add up some points towards this being real! could it possible be? ;)
hopefully we will know soon
It does add up, but youre right, a few of the pieces look questionable, and it's entirely possible the collection is "fluffed up" with some fake pieces, too.
Great breakdown on the codex, BTW, I see youve done your homework!
Ive seen that more than once on a dig, when there isnt any oversight until someone finds something big. That's why fences, and locked gates are so important on the most exposed sites, and taking everyone's shovels away at night.;)
Hopefully, Klaus' credentials were enough to keep it real. We shall see!
Cheers!
Littleenki