Einstein's most incredible prediction may be proven right on February 11 — or a wild rumor debunked
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Gravitational waves may have been detected for the first time, but we won't know for sure until February 11, 2016 — when scientists will either confirm or dispel the rumors, sources close to the matter tell Tech Insider.
Detection of gravitational waves would be unprecedented. Whoever finds them is also likely to pick up a Nobel prize, since the phenomenon would confirm one of the last pieces of Albert Einstein's famous 1915 theory of general relativity.
Confirming they exist would tell us we're still on the right track to understanding how the universe works. Never detecting them would suggest our best explanation for gravity isn't correct.
"Gravitational waves are ripples in the fabric of space-time, predicted by Einstein 100 years ago," Szabi Marka, a physicist at Columbia University, told Tech Insider. "They can be created during the birth and collision of black holes, and can reach us from distant galaxies."
Black holes are the densest, most gravitationally powerful objects in existence — so a rare yet violent collision of two should trigger a burst of gravitational waves that we might detect here on Earth. Colliding neutron stars and huge exploding stars, called supernovas, are thought to generate detectable gravitational waves, too.
However, any sort of signal has eluded the planet's brightest minds and the most advanced experiments for decades.
Until now — maybe.
A 'major' event?
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Columbia University in New York City is hosting a "major" event the morning of Thursday February 11, 2016, a source who is close to the matter, but asked not to be named, told Tech Insider.
Another source also confirmed the event but downplayed the significance of the event as anything "major."
Regardless, several physicists and astronomers with expertise in gravitational wave science are scheduled to attend.
The topic? The latest data from the Laser Interferometer Gravitational-Wave Observatory (LIGO), a $1 billion experiment that has searched for signs of the phenomenon since 2002.
LIGO has two L-shaped detectors that are run and monitored by a collaboration of more than 1,000 researchers from 15 nations, and Marka is one of them.
Marka said that he and his colleagues have worked in the field for more than 15 years, and that "these are very exciting and busy times for all of us."
He also said that Advanced LIGO, an upgrade that went online in September 2015, finished a period of hunting for gravitational waves on January 12, 2016. (That was one day after we saw the first alluring rumors of detection.)
But speaking on the phone with Tech Insider, Marka, along with his Columbia and LIGO physicist colleagues Imre Bartos and Zsuzsanna Marka (related), would neither confirm nor deny any information — either the Columbia event or related rumors. "We are prohibited" from doing so, the researchers said.
Thursday's LIGO-related event at Columbia wouldn't seem so unusual if it weren't for rumors of a LIGO-related study that's supposed to be published online the same day (February 11) by Nature — one of the foremost scientific journals in the world.
The Nature study rumor comes from a "Woohoo!" email that Cliff Burgess, a physicist at McMaster University and the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics (both in Canada), sent to his academic colleagues last week.
Burgess thinks a student probably leaked a screenshot of the email to Twitter, which Adrian Cho at Science Magazine reported on. (Burgess confirmed to Tech Insider that the email definitely came from him.)
Here's what it said:
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If Burgess' sources are correct, then LIGO has detected gravitational waves traveling at the speed of light that came from two black holes colliding deep in space, each about 30 times the mass of the sun.
"If this is true, then you have 90% odds that it will win the Nobel Prize in Physics this year," Burgess told Science. "It's off-the-scale huge."
But it's not over until it's over
When we told Burgess about the upcoming Columbia event, he said that was "very interesting" but seemed uncertain if the rumors he sent by email days before were still true.
"Whatever it is, it sounds like they are going to describe something," Burgess told Tech Insider. "It seems they've done a lot of checks and it's going to be important."
What could "important" mean? Anything from confirmation of gravitational wave detection to the fact that LIGO failed to find anything significant during its latest run — and might offer some corrections to our understanding of the physics of gravity and spacetime.
The rumors make it tempting to believe that LIGO made history and detected the gravitational waves of two colliding black holes, but a collaborator who asked not to be named said you can only hope this is true.
The reason: Leaders of the LIGO experiment sometimes inject fake gravitational wave data into the system to see if everyone is paying close enough attention.
Only after collaborators report the event does anyone reveal the ruse.
"You have no idea until then if the signal is astrophysical [from space] or fake," our source told us, noting that, in the past, LIGO collaborators had gone so far as to pop champagne bottles, write a study, and submit it to a journal before they found out the signal was actually just a test.
Tech Insider was also warned that a lot of the rumors circulating are patently wrong and "laughable," but our source would not elaborate further.
How to find a gravitational wave
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Both LIGO instruments are L-shaped arrays of lasers and mirrors that should be able to detect gravitational waves.
Szabi Marka compared them to a pair of giant ears that can "hear" the spacetime ripples that result from black hole mergers, or some other catastrophic event in space.
The closer a collision is to Earth, the "louder" the signal should be.
LIGO's hearing is sensitive enough to detect mind-blowingly small disturbances of space, "much smaller than the size of the atoms the detector is built of," he said.
PhD Comics says LIGO's level of sensitivity is "like being able to tell that a stick 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 meters long has shrunk by 5mm."
Put another way, detecting a gravitational wave is like noticing the Milky Way — which is about 100,000 light-years wide — has stretched or shrunk by the width of a pencil eraser.
It would be no wonder why it has taken researchers so long to find gravitational waves.
It would also be no wonder why scientists might try to stay tight-lipped about the discovery yet "suck at keeping secrets just like everyone else," as Jennifer Ouellette wrote at Gizmodo.
But at this point, there's only one way to know for sure if the latest rumors are true: Wait until Thursday.
LIGO spokesperson Gaby Gonzalez responded to Tech Insider's query but would not confirm our deny any of the rumors.
Tech Insider also reached out to Nature and Columbia University for comment but didn't hear back from them in time for publication. We'll update this post if and when we do.
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Confirmed!!!
Published on Feb 11, 2016
Daniel Holz, associate professor in physics at the University of Chicago, explains the historic discovery of gravitational waves—ripples in the fabric of spacetime—by the Laser Interferometer Gravitational-Wave Observatory (LIGO), announced on February 11, 2016. In addition to Holz, the members of UChicago's LIGO team are Ben Farr, a McCormick Fellow in the Enrico Fermi Institute, and graduate students Hsin-Yu Chen and Zoheyr Doctor.
The UChicago physicists played a significant role in analyzing data from LIGO, helping to characterize the two colliding black holes that produced the signal that the facility detected on September 14, 2015.
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LIGO Detects Gravitational Waves from Merging Black Holes
Illustration Credit: LIGO, NSF, Aurore Simonnet (Sonoma State U.)
Explanation: Gravitational radiation has been directly detected. The first-ever detection was made by both facilities of the Laser Interferometer Gravitational-Wave Observatory (LIGO) in Washington and Louisiana simultaneously last September. After numerous consistency checks, the resulting 5-sigma discovery was published today. The measured gravitational waves match those expected from two large black holes merging after a death spiral in a distant galaxy, with the resulting new black hole momentarily vibrating in a rapid ringdown. A phenomenon predicted by Einstein, the historic discovery confirms a cornerstone of humanity's understanding of gravity and basic physics. It is also the most direct detection of black holes ever. The featured illustration depicts the two merging black holes with the signal strength of the two detectors over 0.3 seconds superimposed across the bottom. Expected future detections by Advanced LIGO and other gravitational wave detectors may not only confirm the spectacular nature of this measurement but hold tremendous promise of giving humanity a new way to see and explore our universe.
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ah something that has always been there
just recognized by silly humans.. sure deserves a cake
all recognitions should have a cake..don't cha think? ;D ;D
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Thursday's massive gravitational wave news was broken by a sheet cake (really)
In case you live under a rock, there's been some huge news in the physics world: On Thursday, scientists finally confirmed long-swirling rumors that they'd detected gravitational waves for the first time. But we heard it first from a picture of a cake.
Reporters (myself included) waited with baited breath as scientists prepared to take the stage at the National Press Club in D.C. Most of us knew the news that was coming, because we'd been told details under embargo — a promise not to share the story before a 10:30 a.m. Eastern time reveal. Scientists and universities often let journalists have the news a little early so we have time to report out stories on the subject.
But embargo breaks happen all the time: Weeks ago, when scientists announced the best-ever evidence for a hidden ninth planet at the edge of the solar system, the story went up three hours early because of some confusion about the time zone. When huge news breaks early, other outlets are left scrambling to decide whether to publish before the promised time. It's a controversial thing and annoying as heck, but we won't get into that now.
So it's not surprising that a couple of outlets went live a few minutes early, especially given the fact that rumors about gravitational waves have been circulating for months. What is surprising is the leak that prompted them to pull the trigger.
The leak came from a cake.
Somebody caked the embargo.
And here's the best part: This is actually the second time she's broken an embargo with a cake.
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Erin Ryan ?@erinleeryan
Cake for #LIGO #GravitationalWaves at @NASAGoddard today! 😀🎉
10:14 AM - 11 Feb 2016
The cake-tweeting culprit is Erin Lee Ryan, a research associate at the University of Maryland who works at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center.
"It was September of 2013, and someone had brought cake," Ryan recalled to The Post on Thursday. The lab would have coffee chats every Monday and Friday to discuss science, but cake was an anomaly.
"I was like, yes, there's cake at the coffee thing! So I tweeted it. That's how we'd get people from other labs to come over, by telling them we had food," Ryan said.
But the cake actually featured a picture of a scientific result that was embargoed for another two hours. Because scientists aren't typing up articles about their colleagues' findings and broadcasting them out into the world, they don't usually have to be aware of embargo times or think about what constitutes breaking them. But in the age of Twitter, that can become a problem.
"A couple hours later, I got a phone call from my boss, like 'where are you, do you know what's going down right now?' " Ryan said. "I mean, they weren't happy about it."
But in the end, her tweet actually got more attention than the press release that got tweeted out later.
"They told me to maybe chill with the tweeting for a week or so," she said — but she didn't get in trouble.
Fast forward to Thursday morning, when Goddard scientists received another embargoed confection — and Ryan tweeted it with 16 minutes to go until the press conference (she says some other folks at the lab did as well, and that it didn't occur to her that the cake would pose a problem). Ryan was aware of the 10:30 a.m. embargo but didn't realize it was still active when the cake arrived. She and her colleagues were even told to take pictures of the cake, Ryan said in an email. She didn't think tweeting the picture meant that she was breaking the embargo.
On the one hand, Ryan was right in thinking her cake tweet was probably harmless: Physicists had been talking about the findings announced Thursday for weeks. It's not like Ryan tweeted a picture of the official paper. But because of the definitive language on the cake — paired with the timing, just minutes before the press conference, and the fact that it came from a NASA employee — made it seem like more than just another rumor.
At least one outlet seems to have taken the cake as a serious embargo break, and went ahead with publishing.
"When I saw all the retweets I just thought, oh no," Ryan said, laughing. "I mean, this is the second time I've wound up tweeting a cake before an embargo!"
In her defense, she says, this is what science is like: It's hard not to want to share the exciting results of your peers. Or news of free food.
And Ryan was extremely excited about the gravitational wave detection, which she counts as one of the coolest things she's ever seen published.
Since we know you're wondering, we asked Ryan what she thought of the cake, too. "It was very tasty," she said.
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This refers to another similar related thread that I posted...
Gravitational Waves vs. Gravity Waves: Know the Difference! -
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Gravitational Waves vs. Gravity Waves: Know the Difference!
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So it looks like we'll be talking a lot about gravitational waves over the coming days, but why can't they be called "gravity waves?" In this social media world where brevity is key, it may seem that chopping "gravitational" to "gravity" is no big deal — it saves a whole six characters for an even more concise tweet!
MORE: Gravitational Wave Rumors: Colliding Black Holes?
Though you'll likely see many news headlines heralding the wonders of "gravity wave science," do not fall into the trap! While both have gravity in common,gravity waves and gravitational waves are two very different beasts. Read on to find out why and then show off your gravitational smarts to your friends the next time you're down the pub.
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Gravitational Waves are, in their most basic sense, ripples in spacetime. Einstein's theory of general relativity predicted them over a century ago and they are generated by the acceleration (or, indeed, deceleration) of massive objects in the cosmos. If a star explodes as a supernova, gravitational waves carry energy away from the detonation at the speed of light. If two black holes collide, they will cause these ripples in spacetime to propagate like ripples across the surface of a pond. If two neutron stars orbit each other very closely, energy is carried away from the system by — you guessed it — gravitational waves. If we could detect and observe these waves, a new era of gravitational wave astronomy may be possible, allowing us to differentiate between gravitational wave signatures and work out which phenomenon is generating them. For example, a sudden pulse of gravitational waves may indicate they came from a supernova explosion, whereas a continuous oscillating signal may indicate two closely-orbiting black holes before merging.
ANALYSIS: Advanced LIGO Resumes Quest for Gravitational Waves
So far, gravitational waves are theoretical, even though strong indirect evidence for their existence is known. Interestingly, as gravitational waves propagate through spacetime, they will physically warp the "fabric" of space, very slightly shrinking or expanding the space between two objects. The effect is minuscule, but using laser interferometers — such as the Laser Interferometer Gravitational-Wave Observatory, or LIGO, that measures the tiniest perturbations in lasers reflected along 2.5 mile-long L-shaped vacuum tunnels — the propagation of gravitational waves through our planet may be detected. In the case of LIGO, there are 2 stations located on opposite sides of the US separated nearly 2,000 miles. If a gravitational wave signal is real, its signature will be observed at both locations; if it's a false positive (i.e. a truck driving past) only one station will detect it. Though LIGO started operations in 2002, it has yet to detect gravitational waves, but in September 2015, the system was upgraded to Advanced LIGO and hopes are high that, finally, physicists may have some good news for us on Thursday.
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Extra Credit: Primordial gravitational waves. You may remember the kerfuffle about the BICEP2 "discovery" (and then un-discovery) of gravitational waves in the weak primordial "glow" of the Big Bang — known as the cosmic microwave background (CMB). Although the BICEP2 "discovery" turned out to be a dud, it is believed that tiny gravitational perturbations around the time of the Big Bang may leave their "fingerprint" in this ancient radiation as a special kind of polarized light. Should the fingerprint of primordial gravitational waves (i.e. gravitational waves produced by the Big Bang) be observed, certain models for cosmic inflation and quantum gravity may be confirmed. However, these are not the gravitational waves that LIGO is hunting for — LIGO (and other observatories like it) is looking for gravitational waves being generated by energetic cosmic events happening right now in our modern universe. The hunt for primordial gravitational waves is more of an archaeological dig into our universe's past.
EXPLAINER: Big Bang, Inflation, Gravitational Waves: What It Means
This NASA observation shows the formation of gravity waves in the atmosphere over the coast of Indonesia.
This NASA observation shows the formation of gravity waves in the atmosphere over the coast of Indonesia.
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Gravity Waves are physical perturbations driven by the restoring force of gravity in a planetary environment. In other words, gravity waves are specific to planetary atmospheres and bodies of water. In the case of atmospherics, as air blows across an ocean and then encounters an island, for example, that air will be forced to rise. Downwind from the island, the air will be forced to a lower altitude by gravity, but its buoyancy will work against gravity forcing it aloft again. The result is often a region of oscillating air in the atmosphere that can produce clouds in the waves' crests (or highest points) as moisture from lower altitude condenses. Also, in the case of oceans, surface gravity waves form at the atmosphere/water interface; wind blows the surface out of equilibrium causing the restoring force of gravity to force the surface back down, while the water's buoyancy pushes it back up. Wind-driven waves, tides and tsunamis are all examples of gravity waves.
So, the upshot is that gravity drives both gravitational waves and gravity waves, but they have very different properties that shouldn't be confused.
http://www.space.com/31879-gravitational-waves-vs-gravity-waves.html
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We've finally found gravitational waves, so can we time travel?
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9102.msg121974;topicseen#new
That whole thing just really takes the cake.
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Breakthrough: Scientists detect Einstein's gravity ripples.
WASHINGTON (AP) — In an announcement that electrified the world of astronomy, scientists said Thursday that they have finally detected gravitational waves, the ripples in the fabric of space-time that Einstein predicted a century ago.
Astronomers hailed the finding as an achievement of historic proportions, one that opens the door to a new way of observing the universe and the violent collisions that are constantly shaping it. For them, it's like turning a silent movie into a talkie because these waves are the soundtrack of the cosmos in action.
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"Until this moment, we had our eyes on the sky and we couldn't hear the music," said Columbia University astrophysicist Szabolcs Marka, a member of the discovery team. "The skies will never be the same."
An all-star international team of astrophysicists used an excruciatingly sensitive, $1.1 billion set of twin instruments known as the Laser Interferometer Gravitational-wave Observatory, or LIGO, to detect a gravitational wave generated by the collision of two black holes 1.3 billion light-years from Earth.
"Einstein would be beaming," said National Science Foundation director France Cordova.
To make the finding easier to comprehend, the scientists converted the wave into sound. At a news conference, they played a recording of a single chirp — the signal they picked up on Sept. 14. It was barely perceptible even when enhanced.
"That's the chirp we've been looking for," said Louisiana State University physicist Gabriela Gonzalez, scientific spokeswoman for the LIGO team. Scientists said they hope to have a greatest hits compilation of the universe in a decade or so.
Some physicists said the finding is as big a deal as the 2012 discovery of the subatomic Higgs boson, known as the "God particle." Some said this is bigger.
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"It's really comparable only to Galileo taking up the telescope and looking at the planets," said Penn State physics theorist Abhay Ashtekar, who wasn't part of the discovery team. "Our understanding of the heavens changed dramatically."
Gravitational waves, first postulated by Albert Einstein in 1916 as part of his theory of general relativity, are extraordinarily faint ripples in space-time, the continuum that combines both time and three-dimensional space.
When massive objects like black holes or neutron stars collide, they send gravitational waves across the universe, stretching space-time or causing it to bunch up like a fishing net.
The New York Times - LIGO Hears Gravitational Wave ...Play video
The New York Times - LIGO Hears Gravitational Waves …
Scientists found indirect proof of gravitational waves in the 1970s by studying the orbits of two colliding stars, and the work was honored as part of the 1993 Nobel Prize in physics. But now scientists can say they have actually detected a gravitational wave.
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"It's one thing to know soundwaves exist, but it's another to actually hear Beethoven's Fifth Symphony," said Marc Kamionkowsi, a physicist at Johns Hopkins University who wasn't part of the discovery team. "In this case, we're actually getting to hear black holes merging."
In this case, the crashing of the two black holes stretched and squished Earth so that it was "jiggling like Jell-O," but in a tiny, almost imperceptible way, said David Reitze, LIGO's executive director.
The dual LIGO detectors went off just before 5 a.m. in Louisiana and emails started flying. "I went, 'Holy moly,'" Reitze said.
But the finding had to be tested and verified, using even conventional telescopes, before the scientists could say with confidence that it was a gravitational wave. They concluded there was less than a 1-in-3.5-million chance they were wrong, he said.
LIGO technically wasn't even operating in full science mode; it was still in the testing phase when the signal came through, Reitze said.
"We were surprised, BOOM, right out of the box, we get one," Reitze said.
Reitze said that given how quickly they found their first wave, scientists expect to hear more of them, maybe even a few per month.
Detecting gravitational waves is so difficult that when Einstein first theorized about them, he figured scientists would never be able to hear them. In fact, the greatest scientific mind of the 20th century came to doubt himself in the 1930s and questioned whether such waves really do exist.
In 1979, the National Science Foundation decided to give money to the California Institute of Technology and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology to come up with a way to detect the waves.
Twenty years later, they started building two LIGO detectors in Hanford, Washington, and Livingston, Louisiana, and they were turned on in 2001. But after years with no luck, scientists realized they had to build a much more sensitive system, which was turned on last September.
Sensitivity is crucial because the stretching and squeezing of space-time by gravitational waves is incredibly tiny. Essentially, LIGO detects waves that pull and compress the entire Milky Way galaxy "by the width of your thumb," Hanna said.
Each LIGO has two giant perpendicular arms more than 2 miles long. A laser beam is split and travels both arms, bouncing off mirrors to return to the arms' intersection. Gravitational waves stretch the arms to create an incredibly tiny mismatch — smaller than a subatomic particle — in the beams' signature wave curves. That mismatch is what LIGO detects.
A giant team of scientists had to keep the discovery secret until it was time to be announced. The study detailing the research in the journal Physical Review Letters had 1,004 authors.
Kip Thorne, the Cal Tech physicist who co-founded LIGO and has been working on gravitational waves for more than half a century, said he kept the secret even from his wife until just a few days ago. When he heard about the wave, he said, "it was just sort of a sigh of happiness."
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Online:
LIGO: https://www.ligo.caltech.edu/
National Science Foundation's video Einstein's Messengers: http://www.nsf.gov/news/mmg/mmg_disp.jsp?med_id=58443
http://news.yahoo.com/breakthrough-scientists-detect-einstein-predicted-ripples-154314697.html
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Gravitational Waves Are the Ringing of Spacetime
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I don't think a lot of us find this so surprising. What this does is validate the linkage of space, time and gravity and proves that space and time can be modified with GRAVITY. (as long as you know what gravity REALLY is) I think this has been a common understanding with some on this forum for a long time. What I don't agree with is the theory that space time is like a rubber sheet that is distorted by mass, causing gravity. Tesla told us the truth with his Dynamic Theory of Gravity a long time ago and Ben Rich told us that "the equations were wrong" meaning the truncation of Maxwell's equations eliminating the ETHER. So, interesting news, but no surprise and don't be confused to think this validates the rubber sheet/space time analogy. Space time is a super fluid.
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6666.0
Just look at the world around you and then the universe above. Fluid dynamics all around in profusion. Kind of hard to miss. As above so below. Everything IS connected in the same primary medium and all matter and energy are distortions, movement, kinetic energy in this medium, from subatomic to cosmic. Even your very thoughts.
I take heart knowing that space time and gravity are malleable and that will provide a means to star travel, gravity and time manipulation and abundant clean energy. Right Astro? lol
Cosmo
If what you say is correct Cosmo...
It certainly seems exciting and amazing stuff..
This is a topic that Id need to try to study when I have no other things on my mind.. as it requires very deep thought.. I think...as there is still things that maybe Im not as yet clear about.. and ref to Black Holes and Bob Lazars theories on Gravity "A" strong atomic bonding of the Atoms and Gravity "B" waves..Gravity that effects the Stars and Planets..
Another interesting looking link that I could do with creating a post for if I can find time...
there seems a LOT of good related articles being created with some interesting content and images about this topic.
one image eg
(https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp-content/uploads/sites/36/2016/02/2300-gravitywaves-633x1024.jpg&w=1484)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2016/02/12/everything-you-need-to-know-about-gravitational-waves-in-gifs/
QuoteJust look at the world around you and then the universe above. Fluid dynamics all around in profusion. Kind of hard to miss. As above so below. Everything IS connected in the same primary medium and all matter and energy are distortions, movement, kinetic energy in this medium, from subatomic to cosmic. Even your very thoughts.
I take heart knowing that space time and gravity are malleable and that will provide a means to star travel, gravity and time manipulation and abundant clean energy. Right Astro? lol
Cosmo
another article
Gravitational Waves: What Their Discovery Means for Science and Humanity - See more at:
(https://www.yahoo.com/sy/uu/api/res/1.2/RRUKvVg0H9tnoeHTCEkdkA--/Zmk9c3RyaW07aD0zODA7cHlvZmY9MDtxPTgwO3c9MzgwO3NtPTE7YXBwaWQ9eXRhY2h5b24-/http://slingstone.zenfs.com/offnetwork/8f0b355e939f9b485bfef4e1950b776a.cf.webp)
(http://www.space.com/images/i/000/053/219/original/gravitational-waves-simulation.jpg?interpolation=lanczos-none&fit=inside%7C660:*)
http://www.space.com/31922-gravitational-waves-detection-what-it-means.html
I forgot to add this link to this thread..
Gravitational Waves Found in 1.3 Billion Year Old Black Hole Collision
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9103.msg121975#msg121975
does this mean that sometime in the far distant future, all that will be left is a rather bloated ginormous black hole ?.. and maybe something that was flung out of the big bang initially ,decides it like's gravity after all, and returns for a repeat performance ? :D
oncoreBox
Your Guess as as good as anyones I would think Funbox..
it may be one big cycle that repeats or expands then contacts..or something along such lines..
All very complex and I wish Einstein would return or E.T would pop along to explain and clarify... :)
Quote from: funbox on February 13, 2016, 12:27:47 AM
does this mean that sometime in the far distant future, all that will be left is a rather bloated ginormous black hole ?.. and maybe something that was flung out of the big bang initially ,decides it like's gravity after all, and returns for a repeat performance ? :D
oncoreBox
Quote from: funbox on February 13, 2016, 12:27:47 AM
does this mean that sometime in the far distant future, all that will be left is a rather bloated ginormous black hole ?.. and maybe something that was flung out of the big bang initially ,decides it like's gravity after all, and returns for a repeat performance ? :D
oncoreBox
I don't think so. But I don't subscribe to the big bang either. It's a multiverse, with every black hole being the genesis of a new volume of space time, a new universe.
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6829.0
Cosmo
A couple more thoughts come to mind.
It would be interesting to check for seismic and solar activities at the time the G-wave hit the sun and earth.
Also, is anyone asking how a G-wave from so far away and so long ago can continue to travel through space to be measured all these light years later? If it is distorting space time, how can it propagate with no resistance, at the speed of light through those vase distances in space time?
It could be that space time(ETHER) is a super fluid and provides no resistance.
Space time and gravity ARE the same things, just in different states. Gravity is just movement of space time. So, to manipulate gravity, you must move space time, which is really just the ETHER as described by Tesla. We see that happening in the universe all around us in black holes, the uni-polar inductor, modifying space/time/gravity, demonstrating the linkage and the way.
(http://www.plasma-universe.com/images/thumb/2/20/Galactic-inductor.jpg/669px-Galactic-inductor.jpg)
And...we know the kind of forces/fields involved in the torsion of black holes.
Cosmo
QuoteIf it is distorting space time, how can it propagate with no resistance, at the speed of light through those vase distances in space time?
also, how do they isolate the apparatus if the apparatus is also subject to space time laws
did they explain this ?
funbox
I wonder what the creation of a black hole looks like from the other side :P Maybe it would appear as a big bang from that perspective
Quote from: zorgon on February 13, 2016, 11:52:47 PM
I wonder what the creation of a black hole looks like from the other side :P Maybe it would appear as a big bang from that perspective
Hi Z,
I think it would certainly be an area of high energy and space time movement. I think this helps explain the "great atrcactor" also and the movement we see there. While it would certainly be an are of space time influx as the volume expands, like "inflation", it would NOT represent a singularity as proposed by the big bang theory. It may leave some evidence...maybe something like this:
(http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/blogs/6a00d8341bf67c53ef01348996689a970c-800wi.jpg)
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6829.msg95767#msg95767
Funbox, LIGO is not isolated, that is how it measure the distortions.
Cosmo
QuoteFunbox, LIGO is not isolated, that is how it measure the distortions.
there lies my problem understanding
if space and time are subject to influence by incoming gravitational waves , how does the two mile laser mirror configuration, detect them if the entire machine and the time space around it are subjected to it at the speed of light simultaneously*?* . wouldn't the machine the space around it and the earth ripple in tandem?
why did Einstein believe we would never detect them ?
so little detail atm , how deep are these waves ? , whats the sphere of influence , is there a kind of Doppler effect as they pass ?
to many questions for me atm :D
funbox
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXlg3cr-q44
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXlg3cr-q44 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXlg3cr-q44)
I see , so time is the differentiating factor
cheers for the graphically swanky vid, and to think,a new use for old math graph paper :D
funbox
Quote from: funbox on February 16, 2016, 02:03:42 AM
I see , so time is the differentiating factor
Hmm, could go a long way to explaining 'time slips' perhaps.
Quote from: Sinny on February 16, 2016, 02:34:22 AM
Hmm, could go a long way to explaining 'time slips' perhaps.
maybe , just so long as they don't awaken the toaster again :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy8EGtoW9QE
so what is it again ?
funbox
Spot on Cosmo, the best graphic yet.
Quote from: COSMO on February 13, 2016, 05:56:46 AM
A couple more thoughts come to mind.
It would be interesting to check for seismic and solar activities at the time the G-wave hit the sun and earth.
Also, is anyone asking how a G-wave from so far away and so long ago can continue to travel through space to be measured all these light years later? If it is distorting space time, how can it propagate with no resistance, at the speed of light through those vase distances in space time?
It could be that space time(ETHER) is a super fluid and provides no resistance.
Space time and gravity ARE the same things, just in different states. Gravity is just movement of space time. So, to manipulate gravity, you must move space time, which is really just the ETHER as described by Tesla. We see that happening in the universe all around us in black holes, the uni-polar inductor, modifying space/time/gravity, demonstrating the linkage and the way.
(http://www.plasma-universe.com/images/thumb/2/20/Galactic-inductor.jpg/669px-Galactic-inductor.jpg)
And...we know the kind of forces/fields involved in the torsion of black holes.
Cosmo
Torsion..spin,spin,spin...where does it all come from and go to?
Check that gravity wave graphic weve been seeing..seems like a couple of torsional vortices getting all knotted up around each other, doesnt it?
Gravity waves are density differentials in the All, or Ether if you will, layered upon each other just like we see with pressure differentials on our planet creating weather events.
Gravity is the movement within the All of regions of differing density..learn to fly on the layers/baroclines, go to distant galaxies with ease.
Maybe someone can call a seamstress and get this untangled someday?
Cheers
Hi Dave,
Yep, torsion, torsion field physics. It is what the Germans were working on in the Wunderwaffe projects. They said it was "engineer-able". Richard Hoagland knows.
Chinese scientists reveal three massive projects to make it 'world leader' in gravitational wave research
Chinese scientists have unveiled three separate projects to investigate gravitational waves, state media said Wednesday, days after earthshaking US discoveries that confirmed Einstein's century-old predictions.
Space officials said such research would give China - which has an ambitious, military-run, multi-billion-dollar space programme that Beijing sees as symbolising the country's progress - an opportunity to become a 'world leader' in the field.
Gravitational waves are direct evidence of ripples in the fabric of space-time, and their first-ever observation was announced by US scientists last week.
www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3450573/Three-gravitational-wave-projects-unveiled-China.html#ixzz40UE9uehO
Leave it to the Chinese. They have been pursuing HFGW research for years.
Where is the U.S. program????
Oh yeah...Lazar told us.
Cosmo
Quote from: COSMO on February 18, 2016, 03:33:37 AM
Leave it to the Chinese. They have been pursuing HFGW research for years.
Where is the U.S. program????
Back when Bigfatfurrytexan was here we were pursuing that. BFFT was searching for Dr Ning Li formost US any gravity researcher Als Dr Norman Baker and his team including another Dr Li and Buzz Aldrin.
Posted that on page one here too
Quote from: zorgon on February 11, 2016, 11:00:24 PM
GRAVWAVE LLC
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http://www.gravwave.com/
Gravwave Team Buzz Aldrin Senior Scientific Advisor
PDF GravWave Team 7-20-08.pdf (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiu1tf05_DKAhVM12MKHXKiA6cQFggqMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gravwave.com%2Fdocs%2FGravWave%2520Team%25207-20-08.pdf&usg=AFQjCNHcEHq2LXyomJ1EN-YuKB3QQ28tgQ&bvm=bv.113943164,d.cGc) - Gravwave.com
So here is your US Gravity Wave projecttt IN CHINA :P
CHINESE & US GRAVWAVE JOINT HFGW PROJECT >>http://www.gravwave.com/chi_joint_project.htm