How you can REALLY go back to the future: Experts reveals just what it takes to build a time machine
Einstein's theory is if you want to slow down time you need to more fast
Our bodies can't survive stress going to future, but might going to the past
Spin a 100km long cylinder so fast it disrupts the fabric of space and time
First, you need a lot of money to buy a large cylinder.
When I say large, I mean very large, perhaps a 100km long.
The cylinder also needs to be at least the mass of the sun, but very densely packed together.
You then need to start it rotating, faster and faster, until it's rotating so fast that it starts to disturb the fabric of both space and time – and you would be able to detect a wash of gravity waves coming from this structure.
If you can get round this squashing problem, however, approach the rotating cylinder and start following its spin – as you get closer, strange things will start to happen.
Your path, which normally inextricably moves you forward in time, changes, since moving around the cylinder in the direction of rotation will shift you back in time.
To reset the movement to normal, simply move away from the cylinder, go back to Earth and you will be returned to the present – albeit a present in the past.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3462879/How-REALLY-future-Experts-reveals-just-takes-build-time-machine.html
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Observations:
1. We have EXPERTS on time travel! I did not know that! lol
2. They say we need the mass of the sun rotating at high speeds to manipulate time.
3. They say that all matter is drawn to each other because of distortions in space time.
Question...how does an atom with such a small amount of mass alter space time geometry enough to cause it to be attracted to other particles doing the same?
Doesn't the imply that even a tiny little atom has enough energy to bend space time and you do not need the mass of a sun?
See, that's a contradiction. And...that's because the "attraction" is caused by the flow of ETHER(space time) into the subatomic black holes that are subatomic particles. That is why such small amounts of "mass" can be drawn to each other. Movement of matter in the ETHER creates a wave and it is the tendency of that wave to remain in motion that is inertia. Gravity is a flow and inertia is a wave in the energetic dimension of time, the ETHER. All things take place in TIME.
Cosmo
Quote1. We have EXPERTS on time travel! I did not know that! lol
yep that was the first thought when reading the title of the thread
head explodes while screaming
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
for time to go backward the whole universe must move backwards and that aint gonna happen.
in other news,the us gov has hired a bunch of retarded people and gave them dr degrees in physics.
Looking at the way that article is written makes me think it's more of a personal article than a real newspaper article.
As I just skimmed the text and may have missed it, do they name the "experts" or is it just a word they use to give more "weight" to the article, as usual?
agreed Armap : )
there sure seems to be alot of science news garbage,. here lately.
or repeats of old science articles.
Quote from: robomont on February 25, 2016, 06:25:07 AM
head explodes while screaming
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
for time to go backward the whole universe must move backwards and that aint gonna happen.
in other news,the us gov has hired a bunch of retarded people and gave them dr degrees in physics.
I thought the only movement back would be of the approaching object not the whole universe. I think they could just get close to a natural phenomenon easier than ever building one of their own.
Quote from: robomont on February 25, 2016, 06:25:07 AM
head explodes while screaming
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
for time to go backward the whole universe must move backwards and that aint gonna happen.
What about light rays that travel backwards in time?
Allowing us to see possible futures?
Quote from: zorgon on February 25, 2016, 08:46:30 PM
What about light rays that travel backwards in time?
Allowing us to see possible futures?
POSSIBLE futures! Yes, we must keep that in "mind". Don't forget that the universe does not really exist as we perceive it with our normal senses. The underlying substrate is a quantum probability ocean and it is only upon observation that it resolves into the material reality we experience. This is the ancient mystery that the Hindu masters describe in the Upanishads. We live in Maya, a translation of that energetic universe, the eternal illumination that they call Brahman, the source of all. If we think of how the universe behaves only in terms of our "normal" senses, then we will be in error. I try to keep that in mind when I am thinking about "time travel". How would that work in a universe that is really in a quantum probability state and transforms, faster than light, into the universe we perceive. Would not all possibilities be "possible"? Is there anything like linear time travel that we tend to think of? I think that may not be the case and that the only thing that materially exists is the instant of now, the instant of the probability wave collapse, with all of time always existing in that energetic state, with no real material past or future, only NOW. Just thinking...
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Cosmo
No I mean REAL lightwaves travelling backwards in time
"I don't understand . . .' " said Alice. "It's dreadfully confusing!"
"That's the effect of living backwards," the Queen said kindly: "it always makes one a little giddy at first- ''
"Living backwards!" Alice repeated in great astonishment. "I never
heard of such a thing!"
-Lewis Carroll
Imagine a mirror that reflects more light than was incident, that reflects a beam into the same direction regardless of the mirror's tilt, that eliminates image distortions by causing light rays to retrace their paths as if running backward in time, and that when looked at allows the observer to see absolutely nothing.
Science fiction, you say? Well, such mirrors have been the subject of intense investigation both here at Los Alamos and at other research laboratories around the world. Not only do they exist, but their practical applications may be far-reaching.
Project Looking Glass
Los Alamos National Laboratory
Through the Looking Glass with Phase Conjugation
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/03files/Project_Looking_Glass_LANL.html
Quote from: zorgon on February 25, 2016, 11:00:26 PM
No I mean REAL lightwaves travelling backwards in time
"I don't understand . . .' " said Alice. "It's dreadfully confusing!"
"That's the effect of living backwards," the Queen said kindly: "it always makes one a little giddy at first- ''
"Living backwards!" Alice repeated in great astonishment. "I never
heard of such a thing!"
-Lewis Carroll
Imagine a mirror that reflects more light than was incident, that reflects a beam into the same direction regardless of the mirror's tilt, that eliminates image distortions by causing light rays to retrace their paths as if running backward in time, and that when looked at allows the observer to see absolutely nothing.
Science fiction, you say? Well, such mirrors have been the subject of intense investigation both here at Los Alamos and at other research laboratories around the world. Not only do they exist, but their practical applications may be far-reaching.
Project Looking Glass
Los Alamos National Laboratory
Through the Looking Glass with Phase Conjugation
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/03files/Project_Looking_Glass_LANL.html
Interesting Z. But there is still an observer and the material of the mirrors and the images, which are all post collapse. What are they actually seeing? Time in the past or just a series of reflections of a moment of now?
Whenever human observation is involved, what is observed is always post collapse. That is one of the foundation blocks of the universe. The probability nature of the universe is real. We cannot bypass that and that is the tendency.
The real meaning of the triad: (by skyfish)
The universe is a quantum universe and exists in multiple states at once,
outside of time as we think of it. It is in a state of superposition. All particles exist in more than one state at a time. Science.
The 3 states of superposition:
1. The energetic, timeless quantum ocean, the raw material of creation (Brahman)
2. The intermediate realm, where the nature of the transition of this raw energy is determined, the template of creation, the tree of life. This is the realm of the Clockwork Elves, singing creation into being according to the predetermined template. This is why we all observe this common, material universe. The template and it's aspects are represented by the Mandala. Just as in the Mandala ceremony, it is swept away continuously in the act of destruction and creation. Metaphor.
3. The material universe we live in. It is the "result" of the observation of the collective unconsciousness. The collective unconsciousness is non-local and it is the "receiver" of the signal of the second state as the universe we observe is created anew each Planck instant.
That is why there is such a thing as quantum mechanics. All things exist in superposition. It is a QUANTUM universe. It really is!
, in the quantum world superposition can mean something different entirely. At the quantum scale, particles can also be thought of as waves. Particles can exist in different states, for example they can be in different positions, have different energies or be moving at different speeds. But because quantum mechanics is weird, instead of thinking about a particle being in one state or changing between a variety of states, particles are thought of as existing across all the possible states at the same time. It's a bit like lots of waves overlapping each other. This situation is known as a superposition of states. If you're thinking in terms of particles, it means a particle can be in two places at once. This doesn't make intuitive sense but it's one of the weird realities of quantum physics.
http://www.physics.org/article-questions.asp?id=124
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Where does the "past" or "future" exist in a quantum ocean that is ALL of time?
Cosmo
imho its just dc slowing down into an ac signal.
big debate over it last night at lop.brain got tired.we fought for over 24 hours.was great xercise but got no where.
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QuoteFalling from objective Truth (God) and accepting the (supposed) autonomous epistemic authority of his own desired perceptions, man chose to become his own god, but rather than achieving what he sought, his mind has become a prison for his own delusions, illusions and vanity. As a result, man is trapped in a cyclical prison that I'm going to call the "mystery of the serpentine mirror."
http://jaysanalysis.com/2013/09/05/the-mystery-of-the-serpentine-mirror/
dyna ,your mirror quote and your second signature seem to be in controversy to each other.
Quote from: robomont on February 26, 2016, 06:45:25 PM
dyna ,your mirror quote and your second signature seem to be in controversy to each other.
How so?
, his mind has become a prison for his own delusions, illusions and vanity."Resolve to be thyself; and know that he who finds himself, loses his misery." ~ Matthew Arnold
Quote from: robomont on February 26, 2016, 10:53:17 PM
, his mind has become a prison for his own delusions, illusions and vanity."Resolve to be thyself; and know that he who finds himself, loses his misery." ~ Matthew Arnold
Quotebut rather than achieving what he sought, his mind has become a prison for his own delusions, illusions and vanity. As a result, man is trapped in a cyclical prison that I'm going to call the "mystery of the serpentine mirror."
Know your TRUE self
I still don't see what your saying ;D
Quote from: Dyna on February 26, 2016, 11:26:56 PM
Know your TRUE self
I still don't see what your saying ;D
Not sure what that's got do do with time travel or quantum superposition. Can you elaborate?
Cosmo
The Planck scale...
Although in theory it may seem possible to divide time up into infinitely tiny intervals, the smallest physically meaningful interval of time is widely considered to be the Planck time, which is approximately 10-43 seconds. This ultimate limit means that it is not possible for two events to be separated by a time smaller than this.
But now in a new paper, physicists have proposed that the shortest physically meaningful length of time may actually be several orders of magnitude longer than the Planck time. In addition, the physicists have demonstrated that the existence of such a minimum time alters the basic equations of quantum mechanics, and as quantum mechanics describes all physical systems at a very small scale, this would change the description of all quantum mechanical systems.
The researchers, Mir Faizal at the University of Waterloo and University of Lethbridge in Canada, Mohammed M. Khalil at Alexandria University in Egypt, and Saurya Das at the University of Lethbridge, have recently published a paper called "Time crystals from minimum time uncertainty" in The European Physical Journal C.
"It might be possible that, in the universe, the minimum time scale is actually much larger than the Planck time, and this can be directly tested experimentally," Faizal told Phys.org.
The Planck time is so short that no experiment has ever come close to examining it directly—the most precise tests can access a time interval down to about 10?17 seconds.
Nevertheless, there is a great deal of theoretical support for the existence of the Planck time from various approaches to quantum gravity, such as string theory, loop quantum gravity, and perturbative quantum gravity. Almost all of these approaches suggest that it is not possible to measure a length shorter than the Planck length, and by extension not possible to measure a time shorter than the Planck time, since the Planck time is defined as the time it takes light to travel a single unit of the Planck length in a vacuum.
Motivated by several recent theoretical studies, the scientists further delved into the question of the structure of time—in particular, the long-debated question of whether time is continuous or discrete.
"In our paper, we have proposed that time is discrete in nature, and we have also suggested ways to experimentally test this proposal," Faizal said.
One possible test involves measuring the rate of spontaneous emission of a hydrogen atom. The modified quantum mechanical equation predicts a slightly different rate of spontaneous emission than that predicted by the unmodified equation, within a range of uncertainty. The proposed effects may also be observable in the decay rates of particles and of unstable nuclei.
Based on their theoretical analysis of the spontaneous emission of hydrogen, the researchers estimate that the minimum time may be orders of magnitude larger than the Planck time, but no greater than a certain amount, which is fixed by previous experiments. Future experiments could lower this bound on the minimum time or determine its exact value.
The scientists also suggest that the proposed changes to the basic equations of quantum mechanics would modify the very definition of time. They explain that the structure of time can be thought of as a crystal structure, consisting of discrete, regularly repeating segments.
On a more philosophical level, the argument that time is discrete suggests that our perception of time as something that is continuously flowing is just an illusion.
"The physical universe is really like a movie/motion picture, in which a series of still images shown on a screen creates the illusion of moving images," Faizal said. "Thus, if this view is taken seriously, then our conscious precipitation of physical reality based on continuous motion becomes an illusion produced by a discrete underlying mathematical structure."
"This proposal makes physical reality platonic in nature," he said, referring to Plato's argument that true reality exists independent of our senses. "However, unlike other theories of platonic idealism, our proposal can be experimentally tested and not just be argued for philosophically."
http://phys.org/news/2016-02-physicists-implications-quantum-mechanics-philosophy.html
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Yes, creating the illusion of continuous motion, creating an illusion of a "past" and a "future". What we perceive as time is just a series of instances, moments of NOW, stored between your ears and strung together into the reality we observe. MAYA
Cosmo
Quote from: COSMO on February 27, 2016, 12:00:48 AM
Not sure what that's got do do with time travel or quantum superposition. Can you elaborate?
Cosmo
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My link was the discussion concerning mirrors serpent eating tail, symbolism of cyclical wheel of time. I thought it relevant and interesting.
QuoteI propose that in order to understand the nature of man's psyche, the objective world and spacetime, rather than the modern approach of mere linguistic expression, symbology should be sought as the primary means of conveying the truth.
http://jaysanalysis.com/2013/09/05/the-mystery-of-the-serpentine-mirror/
I guess this statement got me off topic.
Quotedyna ,your mirror quote and your second signature seem to be in controversy to each other.
Quote from: Dyna on February 27, 2016, 06:29:37 PM
http://jaysanalysis.com/2013/09/05/the-mystery-of-the-serpentine-mirror/
I guess this statement got me off topic.
I see, thanks Dyna. Have you looked in biocentrism? I think it has great value. We must keep in mind the nature of the quantum wave realm as indicated by the double slit experiment. Particles have a wave/particle duality and our material world is only realized upon the instant of observation. That raw, quantum ocean is the energetic dimension of time, but it is not the concept of a past and future that is stored in our brain chemistry as memories. This material reality is created each instant of wave collapse. It is a ongoing, never ending process and it happens faster than light. This has been verified in the labs.
What I am currently going into and trying to gain a better vision of, is that translation phase. It happens faster than light so thought is not the proper tool as all of our organic brain activity is all post collapse, an instant AFTER the observation, an instant after the act of material creation. Our consciousness is integral to that and that is why I think biocentrism has value. We are beings with a dual nature but for the most part folks are stuck in one, living in the creation while losing sight of the ACT of creation.
Here is the interesting point for me. What is it that determines that we all experience THIS reality??? What makes water water and trees trees, etc. Why do we all experience this world the same? That points to a collective unconsciousness(Jung...love that guy) that acts as the receiver(transactional interpretation of quantum mechanics...which I think is totally accurate) and creates this universe according to something like a template. (in Hinduism this is relegated to various deities...just aspects of the creation process) I do know that this collective unconsciousness is NON-LOCAL and I think that explains it. When I talk about that type of consciousness, I am not talking about human thought. That's all between your ears.
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Cosmo