we have been informed about water, air and life on the moon since the time of early contactees like adamski, nelson, menger etc.. but their claims were ridiculed and rejected.
i started a thread on this subject here two years ago only to be met with skepticism and even attacks and insults. i knew that truth was on my side, but also that time is not ripe for it.
i present few clippings from books and newspapers, few photos and apollo 17 footage of 180km wide tsiolkovsky on the far side.
moon is not only densely populated, but there is air, water and life (mostly in equatorial zone).
feel free to post you opinions and to contribute if you have more info on the subject.
george adamski
(http://s10.postimg.org/4vxf694m1/adamski.jpg)
buck nelson
(http://s10.postimg.org/43821rt15/buck_nelson.jpg)
rolf telano
(http://s10.postimg.org/mhri5t8k9/rolf_telano.jpg)
hatton
(http://s15.postimg.org/ixz4r7dyj/hatton.jpg)
newspaper clips
http://s27.postimg.org/iuaoyqw3l/moon.jpg (http://s27.postimg.org/iuaoyqw3l/moon.jpg)
tsiolkovsky (screenshots from vladimir trrezinski lecture)
(http://s28.postimg.org/6izak6rt9/Tsiolkovsky.jpg)
(http://s9.postimg.org/yi5qjqbgf/tsio.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ppnwhmFBIKY/VKLd-wzd9SI/AAAAAAAAAyQ/kgAUhKhFiGA/s1600/Tsiolkovsky2.jpg)
tsiolkovsky by apollo 17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLQPTHyo5p0
and finally, my latest discovery, mare marginis by chang'e 5.
best to be viewd in full screen. just look at the surface everywhere.
http://www.gigapan.com/gigapans/165019 (http://www.gigapan.com/gigapans/165019)
feel free to post your opinion, weather you are convinced or not.
Quote from: vril-ya on March 24, 2016, 01:49:28 AM
i present few clippings from books and newspapers, few photos and apollo 17 footage of 180km wide tsiolkovsky on the far
tsiolkovsky by apollo 17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLQPTHyo5p0
LOL That is my video :P
i just dug few new shots of tsiolkovsky by lunar orbiters from this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8AP0H2EBuM
(http://s13.postimg.org/40sbleguv/tsio1.jpg)
(http://s10.postimg.org/92z67c6sp/tsio2.jpg)
My opinion? If the Moon had air we would see a difference in the refraction when the light from the Sun (or another star, or a planet) passes where the atmosphere would be on the edge on the Moon's disk, in the same way Mars Express uses the light from stars to analyse Mars' atmosphere.
Aren't we humans a crazy lot? Here we are, reaching for the planets and for the stars, and we really don't know beans about our own Moon. Our exploring ethic is drastically lacking- - unless of course.........if we really do have "alien-reason" for stopping our actual initial aggressive "boots on the ground" exploration of the Moon (real or fake?)!!
If there is actual water on the moon, why would it look "black" in the pics, as in most of these pics? Maybe anything pooled on the Moon that looks black........could be "black gold" (oil)!! :)
"If"..... the Moon originated as a piece broken from the Earth, then the Moon possibly/probably does contain much water under the surface!! Wouldn't it be nice to know what is what about this subject? And do we not have the technical capability to fairly easily make that determination? Well, if we do not, China probably will tell us that answer to that question before too long! :)
it appears black in the low quality b&w photos taken by lunar orbiter. fred steckling photographed a lake with his private plane to show this comparison as seen here:
(http://tezlav-von-roya.com/star%2010.JPG)
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/ly4f2b4ab4.JPG)
moreover, you are ignorning the above posted close ups of the lake from trezinski lecture, it is clearly not black but green.
according to a book "thioouba prophecy" which i believe to be absolutely credible, moon did not originate as a part of earth, but it came from another solar system and was captured into orbit some 500,000 years ago.
Quote from: rdunk on March 25, 2016, 03:11:14 AM
Aren't we humans a crazy lot? Here we are, reaching for the planets and for the stars, and we really don't know beans about our own Moon. Our exploring ethic is drastically lacking- - unless of course.........if we really do have "alien-reason" for stopping our actual initial aggressive "boots on the ground" exploration of the Moon (real or fake?)!!
If there is actual water on the moon, why would it look "black" in the pics, as in most of these pics? Maybe anything pooled on the Moon that looks black........could be "black gold" (oil)!! :)
"If"..... the Moon originated as a piece broken from the Earth, then the Moon possibly/probably does contain much water under the surface!! Wouldn't it be nice to know what is what about this subject? And do we not have the technical capability to fairly easily make that determination? Well, if we do not, China probably will tell us that answer to that question before too long! :)
moreover, you are ignorning the above posted close ups of the lake from trezinski lecture, it is clearly not black but green
That is why I said "most"........... :)
Quote from: vril-ya on March 25, 2016, 04:00:43 AM
it appears black in the low quality b&w photos taken by lunar orbiter. fred steckling photographed a lake with his private plane to show this comparison as seen here:
(http://tezlav-von-roya.com/star%2010.JPG)
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/ly4f2b4ab4.JPG)
Your second image, being hosted on ATS, is not visible to non-members of ATS, as they now do not allow hot-linking to the images hosted on their servers.
Here's the image from the Pegasus gallery, so everyone can see it. :)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/ly4f2b4ab4.JPG)
Quote from: ArMaP on March 25, 2016, 11:32:57 AM
Your second image, being hosted on ATS, is not visible to non-members of ATS, as they now do not allow hot-linking to the images hosted on their servers.
Here's the image from the Pegasus gallery, so everyone can see it. :)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/ly4f2b4ab4.JPG)
so if I was a member of sheeppencity*ats* would be able to see the above missing picture on this site ?
Quoteis not visible to non-members of ATS
funbox
funbox
Quote from: funbox on March 25, 2016, 11:55:09 AM
so if I was a member of sheeppencity*ats* would be able to see the above missing picture on this site ?
I'm not sure if you have to be a member or if you just have to go to ATS first and then point your browser to the image, so the browser "sees" your previous request as coming from ATS.
Quote from: ArMaP on March 25, 2016, 12:02:13 PM
I'm not sure if you have to be a member or if you just have to go to ATS first and then point your browser to the image, so the browser "sees" your previous request as coming from ATS.
that sounds like a big security hole on their part :D
but then considering the evolution the site has gone through over the years ..
funbox
Quote from: funbox on March 25, 2016, 12:04:49 PM
that sounds like a big security hole on their part :D
It's not a security hole, it's just to reduce load on the servers by not serving images for requests from outside their domain.
i corresponded with john lear 2 years ago regarding this subject. he believes there is an atmosphere and human population, but for the tsiolkovsly he couldn't accept it was a lake and said, quote, "we believe it (refering to island near the western shore) is a spaceship that dragged the moon into orbit".
Quote from: vril-ya on March 25, 2016, 04:00:43 AM
it appears black in the low quality b&w photos taken by lunar orbiter.
Then why not use the colour photos from Clementine?
This one was made with the 415 nm channel for red, the 750 nm for green and the 900 nm channel for blue.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/ui17s1292Bui24s129_img_cub.jpg)
Quote from: ArMaP on March 25, 2016, 11:32:57 AM
Your second image, being hosted on ATS, is not visible to non-members of ATS, as they now do not allow hot-linking to the images hosted on their servers.
Here's the image from the Pegasus gallery, so everyone can see it. :)
Yes ATS should be SHOT for that :P Because they wanted everyone to post their pictures on ATS gallery then now they block people seeing them Fortunately I never used their service for our photos :P
Quote from: ArMaP on March 25, 2016, 12:02:13 PM
I'm not sure if you have to be a member or if you just have to go to ATS first and then point your browser to the image, so the browser "sees" your previous request as coming from ATS.
That is true I have managed to retrieve some photos that way But as a non member getting the page to load with all those ads is a real pain in the ass
Quote from: vril-ya on March 25, 2016, 01:47:34 PM
i corresponded with john lear 2 years ago regarding this subject. he believes there is an atmosphere and human population, but for the tsiolkovsly he couldn't accept it was a lake and said, quote, "we believe it (refering to island near the western shore) is a spaceship that dragged the moon into orbit".
Well you DO realize that Livingmoon is John's home website, right? :P
because it is
fake, crater terrain superimposed over the lake to look like dry basin.
Quote from: ArMaP on March 25, 2016, 05:52:34 PM
Then why not use the colour photos from Clementine?
This one was made with the 415 nm channel for red, the 750 nm for green and the 900 nm channel for blue.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/ui17s1292Bui24s129_img_cub.jpg)
i know, that was the point.
Quote from: zorgon on March 25, 2016, 06:08:01 PM
Well you DO realize that Livingmoon is John's home website, right? :P
for example comparison of apollo 17 over tsiolkovsky compared to tsiolkovsky by lunar reconnaissance orbiter. isn't it funny? :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLQPTHyo5p0
for some reason timestamp doesn't work here although it worked before, so skip to 3m 41s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iSZMv64wuU
(http://s9.postimg.org/yi5qjqbgf/tsio.jpg)
"It's not a security hole, it's just to reduce load on the servers by not serving images for requests from outside their domain."
And now you attempt to distance your self from being a MOD on ATS?
lol good luck with that :P
just jerking your chain, friend.
attempting to attract intelligent comments from the lurkers.
much love, ArMaP
without intention to "jerk anyone's chain", i will say ATS is a known government disinfo forum > pure evil. 8)
#1 i wuz yuking it up with my friend ArMaP
#2 I remember you from previous encounters where you were "in question".
# 3 I am interested in vetted information on the subjects you speak of
Please continue.
#1 ATS has been routed to government agency servers long ago, it is well know shill site. their purpose is to "debunk" it all.
#2 i was "in question" for saying what i still say, that moon has air, water, life and planet wide civilization. so who is really in question, me or those who attack the truth.
#3 i think i presented enough material for "vetting". just look at the tsiolkovsky, don't you see the obvious?
Quote from: thorfourwinds on March 26, 2016, 06:36:57 AM
#1 i wuz yuking it up with my friend ArMaP
#2 I remember you from previous encounters where you were "in question".
# 3 I am interested in vetted information on the subjects you speak of
Please continue.
if those colors are true then its a shallow sea as craters are visible or thats a large field of copper oxide.as dark as it is,i say sea.
the blue on the island is even more interesting.almost like lighting.i did not know they had color spectrum cameras focused on the moon.
why cant we just pull out a telescope and know for sure.with all the tech available these days and super clear nights,it should be obvious.
am i missing something?
http://imgur.com/gallery/fi9sm
Talking of green lakes the fourth cartoon down seems quite apt. ;D
yes, it seems realatively shallow, but not so much in certain areas. my estimate is it goes from 30 - 150 m depth. for "light on the island", take a better look, whole area is covered with cities, as well as hills and mountains. beware, this is taken from great height and the smallest discernable objects are at least 100-200m long. so it is impossible to see, say, smaller buildings, only bigger ones and the patterns created by the smaller ones.
this one gives better insight into surrounding cities and settlements. some lights are not cities but simply hovering craft ionizing the atmosphere, thus appearing as balls of light.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jSjE1NO06r4/U9WYurFBx9I/AAAAAAAAAes/Zd86xgFvTSE/s1600/Tsiolkovsky+1.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Bm3HSJRvJAc/U9WYv4ekzFI/AAAAAAAAAe0/HO7TLSx_eWA/s1600/Tsiolkovsky+2.jpg)
Quote from: robomont on March 26, 2016, 09:00:42 AM
if those colors are true then its a shallow sea as craters are visible or thats a large field of copper oxide.as dark as it is,i say sea.
the blue on the island is even more interesting.almost like lighting.i did not know they had color spectrum cameras focused on the moon.
why cant we just pull out a telescope and know for sure.with all the tech available these days and super clear nights,it should be obvious.
am i missing something?
i feel my previous link to mare marginis by chang'e 5 didn't get deserved attention. here is just a crop from a small area top-right. it seems this area has also been turned into lakes. this is my latest discovery. i wonder when were these made and is this water taken from earth. did they even ask if they can take it? :))
http://www.gigapan.com/gigapans/165019 (http://www.gigapan.com/gigapans/165019)
(http://s10.postimg.org/eszswityh/marginis.jpg)
music to listen to while looking at these wonderful moon cities..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbjF4KMZ39Q
Quote from: vril-ya on March 26, 2016, 10:03:34 AM
music to listen to while looking at these wonderful moon cities..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbjF4KMZ39Q
shall we ramp up the pace a little :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSsfjHCFosw
doomBox
JLW is still plodding on with his moon observations , I couldn't help but notice some similar shapes on his latest moon footage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOFLKYxaCjU
looks like a bridge over troubled waters to me :D
funbox
Quote from: vril-ya on March 25, 2016, 11:22:33 PM
because it is fake, crater terrain superimposed over the lake to look like dry basin.
I suppose that's a way to solve the problem, when things do not support your ideas they are fake.
I suppose there's no point in presenting other photos.
Quote from: thorfourwinds on March 26, 2016, 06:19:02 AM
And now you attempt to distance your self from being a MOD on ATS?
lol good luck with that :P
No, it's their domain, I do not own it.
no, i just prefer the truth over deception. keep your airbrushed fakes for some other thread.
Quote from: ArMaP on March 26, 2016, 01:57:52 PM
I suppose that's a way to solve the problem, when things do not support your ideas they are fake.
I suppose there's no point in presenting other photos.
Quote from: vril-ya on March 26, 2016, 02:14:39 PM
no, i just prefer the truth over deception. keep your airbrushed fakes for some other thread.
A serious question: how do you know what's fake and what's not?
you may call it seeing the obvious (once you've done enough research) and recognizing the deception (that you posted).
Quote from: ArMaP on March 26, 2016, 03:24:21 PM
A serious question: how do you know what's fake and what's not?
Quote from: vril-ya on March 26, 2016, 03:38:50 PM
you may call it seeing the obvious (once you've done enough research) and recognizing the deception (that you posted).
How can someone that is starting to look into this without any preconceived ideas know what to look for?
for me it was a gradual process of discovery, connecting dots, uncovering more evidence etc. it is easier for newcomers to start from here than it was for me. few years ago noone even dared to claim this, since the early contactees who were ridiculed and rejected. now it becomes clear they were, indeed, telling the truth.
Quote from: ArMaP on March 26, 2016, 03:44:52 PM
How can someone that is starting to look into this without any preconceived ideas know what to look for?
Just curious if you've had a chance to browse the contactee section on Pegasus.
Things don't look good for Adamski's or Meier's evidence.
Quote from: robomont on March 26, 2016, 09:00:42 AM
why cant we just pull out a telescope and know for sure.with all the tech available these days and super clear nights,it should be obvious.
am i missing something?
In this case, Tsiolkovsky crater is on the other side of the Moon, not visible from Earth. :)
no, but i have a collection of my own contactee ebooks. that is true for meier, who's "plajerans" told him regarding life in SOL system: ""There is nothing living on these planets of either material or spiritual forms". as for adamski, things look exactly as he described including the "big body of water".
Quote from: A51Watcher on March 26, 2016, 11:57:50 PM
Just curious if you've had a chance to browse the contactee section on Pegasus.
Things don't look good for Adamski's or Meier's evidence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6tMHlHrT0c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6tMHlHrT0c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6tMHlHrT0c)
My point being you have some nice photos and an interesting premise, but basing that premise on contactees could turn out to be quicksand.
Personally I would like to see you expand your premise and research, without the need for bringing contactees into it.
Just my 2 cents.
you are wrong there, don't be so easily fooled. i do think some of adamski's footage wasn't genuine, it is mixed for whatever reason,
just like these (https://youtu.be/PU5Db7GvKtI?t=12m43s) and adamski is only one of many to claim water, atmosphere and life on the moon.
menger's trip to the moon august 1956 (https://youtu.be/ggsuHRnyn0Q?t=3m10s)more detailed account of this trip in menger's book "from outer space to you", scroll down to "project moon" chapter. (http://www.universe-people.com/english/svetelna_knihovna/htm/en/en_kniha_from_outer_space_to_you.htm)
beware, first photos of the far side were officially published by soviets in 1960
Quote from: A51Watcher on March 27, 2016, 07:36:04 AM
My point being you have some nice photos and an interesting premise, but basing that premise on contactees could turn out to be quicksand.
Personally I would like to see you expand your premise and research, without the need for bringing contactees into it.
Just my 2 cents.
Quote from: vril-ya on March 27, 2016, 01:02:36 PM
you are wrong there, don't be so easily fooled.
Not to worry, I am not fooled by Menger or any of the contactee gang.
Adamski's footage was hoaxed as well as Mengers 'for whatever reason'.
Fry and Van Tassel are no better.
Apparently I am not the one who needs be concerned about being easily fooled.
Even when faced with the evidence of hoaxery, some still exhibit the will to believe.
Amazing.
"George Adamski
The contactees' tales of rides in flying saucers and visits to other planets are now universally dismissed as hoaxes.
However, despite their sheer silliness, the stories did have a profound cultural impact at the time, and the contactees themselves attracted many thousands of followers in what was the first appearance of the quasi-religious aspect of the UFO phenomenon.
The contactees were the precursors of the UFO cults that continue to flourish as part of the New Age movement.
Although many such gurus emerged during the 1950s, the first and most famous of the contactees to make a public impact were George Adamski and Howard Menger.
Adamski in particular, until his death in 1965, sold great quantities of books, including the bestselling Flying Saucers Have Landed (1953), co-written with Desmond Leslie, describing his adventures with the "Space Brothers".
He travelled the world giving well-attended lectures, impressing many people, including leading members of European royal houses.
Menger has largely been identified as someone who saw Adamski's success and wanted a part of the money and fame that befell Adamski.
Menger did not state that the aliens gave him a religious message (though they did give him a diet for weight-loss!), which means his impact, following and fame have not been as lasting as Adamski.
Howard Menger
Today, Adamski is seen as a con-man, Menger as a man who copied a con-man and whom during one television interview admitted as much.
Yet once again, the situation is not as simple as it seems, because solid evidence exists that at least these two individuals were acting as part of an intelligence-backed operation.
Apart from admitting he jumped on Adamski's bandwagon, in the 1960s, Menger also admitted that he had worked for the CIA, and that his story was part of an experiment to test public reactions to the idea of extraterrestrial contact.
In short, Menger's story was a CIA experiment to see how easily and whom specifically could be fooled into believing anything.
More significantly, it is now known that Adamski was the same: he was not only encouraged in his work, but actively supported and assisted, by the CIA.
This became known – though not widely reported when scientists attempting to investigate Adamski's claims (in an effort to discredit him and stop him in his tracks) were warned off by CIA Director Allen Dulles in person.
And research has shown that during tours of Europe and Australia to promote his "message", Adamski travelled on a passport furnished by the CIA.
During a 1953 speech, Adamski even calmed an anxious crowd by assuring the audience that the CIA and the FBI had cleared his statements!
Interestingly, long before this information became public, Leon Davidson had already stated that Adamski was controlled by the CIA."
http://philipcoppens.com/ufo_ciapipers.html (http://philipcoppens.com/ufo_ciapipers.html)
Actually the motive for the CIA's involvement was much easier to understand.
The military had failed miserably at explaining or calming the public's fears about the very real massive flying saucer invasion that begun shortly beforehand.
Could Adamski do better with tales of space brothers from Venus?
Apparently so.
like i said, you are being easily fooled. all of the contactees you noted were genuine. and this is not a thread about the contactees, but about the moon.
Quote from: A51Watcher on March 27, 2016, 07:38:48 PM
Not to worry, I am not fooled by Menger or any of the contactee gang.
Adamski's footage was hoaxed as well as Mengers 'for whatever reason'.
Fry and Van Tassel are no better.
Apparently I am not the one who needs be concerned about being easily fooled.
Even when faced with the evidence of hoaxery, some still exhibit the will to believe.
Amazing.
marginis by chang'e. doesn't look too much different than downtown manhattan does it. just take note of size scale here. the crop below covers an area of ~80km horizontaly.
http://www.gigapan.com/gigapans/165019 (http://www.gigapan.com/gigapans/165019)
(http://s10.postimg.org/eszswityh/marginis.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/Downtown_Manhattan_From_Aeroplane.jpg)
Quote from: vril-ya on March 27, 2016, 09:35:20 PM
like i said, you are being easily fooled. all of the contactees you noted were genuine. and this is not a thread about the contactees, but about the moon.
Repeating yourself does not make it so.
Neither does ignoring evidence to the contrary.
You introducing contactess as corroboration, does make them part of the thread.
That's how debate works.
Obfuscation never works.
making false accusations doesn't make them true. you are trying to obfuscate the truth by lying about contactees. fact remains, ALL of the contactees noted were genuine.
Quote from: A51Watcher on March 28, 2016, 02:44:37 AM
Repeating yourself does not make it so.
Neither does ignoring evidence to the contrary.
You introducing contactess as corroboration, does make them part of the thread.
That's how debate works.
Obfuscation never works.
Quote from: vril-ya on March 28, 2016, 05:07:23 AM
making false accusations doesn't make them true. you are trying to obfuscate the truth by lying about contactees. fact remains, ALL of the contactees noted were genuine.
Odd then that they would falsify evidence to support their claims.
Genuine hoaxes.
i already agreed some of the adamski footage is fake, same is even possible for fry, for menger and nelson, i believe they never faked anything. but, this partial fakery was there for simple reason to filter out those easily fooled, still effective on you. partially faked evidence doesn't mean that case behind it is not real. there are powers who will go to any lengths to discredit the truth-tellers. sometimes you have to read between the lines, criss cross data and use your intuition to discern the truth.
Quote from: A51Watcher on March 28, 2016, 05:12:59 AM
Odd then that they would falsify evidence to support their claims.
Genuine hoaxes.
Quote from: vril-ya on March 28, 2016, 06:07:36 AM
i already agreed some of the adamski footage is fake, same is even possible for fry, for menger and nelson, i believe they never faked anything. but, this partial fakery was there for simple reason to filter out those easily fooled, still effective on you. partially faked evidence doesn't mean that case behind it is not real. there are powers who will go to any lengths to discredit the truth-tellers. sometimes you have to read between the lines, criss cross data and use your intuition to discern the truth.
I rest my case.
that is simply sad, especially these days when these truths are finally coming to the open and are being widely accepted as factual.
Quote from: A51Watcher on March 28, 2016, 07:03:49 AM
I rest my case.
i just discovered there was an article in borderland sciences journal in issue vol 25 from SEPT-OCT 1969 titled "LAKE TSIOLKOVSKY On the Far Side of the Moon". will try to get the article.
https://borderlandsciences.org/journal/vol/25/n05/index.html (https://borderlandsciences.org/journal/vol/25/n05/index.html)
Apollo 15 image of Tsiolkovsky ...
(http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/browse/AS15/M/1574.jpg)
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS15-M-1574
Large - http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS15/M/1574.jpg
No lake just a dark basin.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Lunar+Orbiter+Tsiolkovsky
The vladimir trrezinski pictures could be of a Moon model ...
Link - http://spacetime.forumotion.com/t742-apollo-lunar-mission-simulators
Just saying :D
just got the article from borderland sciences journal, issue vol 25 from SEPT-OCT 1969
"LAKE TSIOLKOVSKY On the Far Side of the Moon"
http://s12.postimg.org/ufjummde3/JBR_v25_n05_p4.png (http://s12.postimg.org/ufjummde3/JBR_v25_n05_p4.png)
this photo needed to be flipped horizontally, now it is in the original perspective
(http://s21.postimg.org/lrtct4jtz/Tsiolkovsky3.jpg?)
Quote from: vril-ya on March 29, 2016, 06:44:07 AM
this photo needed to be flipped horizontally, now it is in the original perspective
(http://s21.postimg.org/lrtct4jtz/Tsiolkovsky3.jpg?)
It's from Apollo 13 ...
AS13-60-8659
(http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/lores/AS13-60-8659.jpg)
http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/lores/AS13-60-8659.jpg
Link - http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/caption.jsp?photoId=AS13-60-8659
no it isn't. also, the two are not the same photo at all.
Quote from: easynow on March 29, 2016, 12:43:19 PM
It's from Apollo 13 ...
AS13-60-8659
(http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/lores/AS13-60-8659.jpg)
http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/lores/AS13-60-8659.jpg
Link - http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/caption.jsp?photoId=AS13-60-8659
another one by apollo 8, just look at that
(http://s12.postimg.org/wjzwd7hj1/image.jpg) (http://s21.postimg.org/ohlpgadpj/image.jpg)
Quote from: vril-ya on March 31, 2016, 11:04:45 AM
another one by apollo 8, just look at that
(http://s12.postimg.org/wjzwd7hj1/image.jpg) (http://s21.postimg.org/ohlpgadpj/image.jpg)
Isn't that photo "mirrored"?
PS: posting the photos' IDs would be a good idea.
not flipped, taken from this page
http://dateiwao.fc2web.com/moongate.htm (http://dateiwao.fc2web.com/moongate.htm)Quote from: ArMaP on March 31, 2016, 08:55:39 PM
Isn't that photo "mirrored"?
PS: posting the photos' IDs would be a good idea.
Quote from: vril-ya on April 01, 2016, 07:37:17 AM
not flipped, taken from this page
Well, one of these was flipped, it can be both ways.
(http://s12.postimg.org/wjzwd7hj1/image.jpg)
(http://s21.postimg.org/lrtct4jtz/Tsiolkovsky3.jpg?)
no, just no. they were taken from different perspective.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 01, 2016, 09:19:48 PM
Well, one of these was flipped, it can be both ways.
(http://s12.postimg.org/wjzwd7hj1/image.jpg)
(http://s21.postimg.org/lrtct4jtz/Tsiolkovsky3.jpg?)
but don't worry, seti and nasa are "seeking" for you
(http://media.giphy.com/media/m6cGnWkKKRRrG/giphy.gif)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3iLJ0F6sGfI/VDiac3kM1sI/AAAAAAAAYEo/MgjQzekFh1g/s1600/Alien%2Baliens%2BET%2BUFO%2BUFOs%2Bsighting%2Bsightings%2BLady%2BGaga%2Bnews%2BJustin%2BBieber%2Bpolitics%2Bparanormal%2BCanada%2Barea%2B51%2Bdione%2Bfossil%2BJustin%2BBieber%2Bsaturn%2BTMZ%2Bgold%2Btop%2Bboss%2Bsecret%2Bnasa%2B1%2BBolden%2Bgif.gif)
Quote from: vril-ya on April 02, 2016, 08:51:25 AM
no, just no. they were taken from different perspective.
If that's the case you can make them look the same by rotating them, and that's not possible.
no you can not, these are completely different photos taken from different position and probably from different missions too, no relation whatsoever.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 02, 2016, 03:33:28 PM
If that's the case you can make them look the same by rotating them, and that's not possible.
Quote from: vril-ya on April 02, 2016, 03:38:58 PM
no you can not, these are completely different photos taken from different position and probably from different missions too, no relation whatsoever.
They may be from different missions, but one
is mirrored when compared with the other, I find it strange that you don't see that. ???
According to all the maps I have seen, the central mound of Tsiolkosky crater is close to the northern edge of the crater, with the larger feature on the east side of the mound and the smaller one on the west side.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/normal_Tsiolkovsky_1.jpg)
The last photo you posted, from Apollo 8, has the features in the same positions, as do all the videos and most of the photos.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/normal_Tsiolkovsky_2.jpg)
The photos that are really mirrored are the one you said needed to be flipped (it didn't)...
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/normal_Tsiolkovsky_3.jpg)
... and the one from Apollo 13.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/normal_Tsiolkovsky_4.jpg)
you drew the directions correctly but if you look at the source image in vladimirs lecture, you'll see it needed to be flipped to match the original perspective.
https://youtu.be/tEe-QGohonU?t=6h38m32s (https://youtu.be/tEe-QGohonU?t=6h38m32s)it is simply that photos were taken from different perspectives with different camera angle, first one taken from NE and the other from NW direction.
but even if we flip the first photo, you can clearly tell camera angle is different, not to mention all other differences showing beyond doubt these are different photos.
(http://s9.postimg.org/qznlixkm7/image.jpg)
Quote from: ArMaP on April 02, 2016, 05:58:24 PM
They may be from different missions, but one is mirrored when compared with the other, I find it strange that you don't see that. ???
According to all the maps I have seen, the central mound of Tsiolkosky crater is close to the northern edge of the crater, with the larger feature on the east side of the mound and the smaller one on the west side.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/normal_Tsiolkovsky_1.jpg)
The last photo you posted, from Apollo 8, has the features in the same positions, as do all the videos and most of the photos.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/normal_Tsiolkovsky_2.jpg)
The photos that are really mirrored are the one you said needed to be flipped (it didn't)...
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/normal_Tsiolkovsky_3.jpg)
... and the one from Apollo 13.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/normal_Tsiolkovsky_4.jpg)
Quote from: vril-ya on April 02, 2016, 07:00:54 PM
you drew the directions correctly but if you look at the source image in vladimirs lecture, you'll see it needed to be flipped to match the original perspective.
https://youtu.be/tEe-QGohonU?t=6h38m32s (https://youtu.be/tEe-QGohonU?t=6h38m32s)
That's right, I was only comparing to the image you posted from the video without looking at the video itself, the photo in the video looks like this:
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/normal_Tsiolkovsky_5.jpg)
But, in your post on page 4, when you said "this photo needed to be flipped horizontally, now it is in the original perspective" and posted this image:
(http://s21.postimg.org/lrtct4jtz/Tsiolkovsky3.jpg?)
you posted the image like it appears in the video, mirrored, that's what confused me.
The image in your opening post is the correct one. :)
But that means that the image
easynow posted, from a NASA site, is the one that was mirrored. Another error in an image posted on an official site to add to the collection. :)
Quoteit is simply that photos were taken from different perspectives with different camera angle, first one taken from NE and the other from NW direction.
No, different camera angles do not make the image look like that, it had to be mirrored.
Quotebut even if we flip the first photo, you can clearly tell camera angle is different, not to mention all other differences showing beyond doubt these are different photos.
Yes, the shadows look different, it's not the same photo.
"you posted the image like it appears in the video, mirrored" < why do you assume the photo in the video is "mirrored"? it is in original perspective.
for the other photo, it seems to be the same apollo 13 photo, only flipped and "processed", contrast and color removed in a well known nasa manner, an "error" as you put it.
(http://s14.postimg.org/sj5qgg0q9/Untitled_1.jpg)
Quote from: ArMaP on April 02, 2016, 09:32:46 PM
That's right, I was only comparing to the image you posted from the video without looking at the video itself, the photo in the video looks like this:
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/normal_Tsiolkovsky_5.jpg)
But, in your post on page 4, when you said "this photo needed to be flipped horizontally, now it is in the original perspective" and posted this image:
(http://s21.postimg.org/lrtct4jtz/Tsiolkovsky3.jpg?)
you posted the image like it appears in the video, mirrored, that's what confused me.
The image in your opening post is the correct one. :)
But that means that the image easynow posted, from a NASA site, is the one that was mirrored. Another error in an image posted on an official site to add to the collection. :)
No, different camera angles do not make the image look like that, it had to be mirrored.
Yes, the shadows look different, it's not the same photo.
Quote from: vril-ya on April 02, 2016, 10:26:48 PM
"you posted the image like it appears in the video, mirrored" < why do you assume the photo in the video is "mirrored"? it is in original perspective.
Because it is.
I used all the photos posted in this thread, resized, rotated and adjusted the perspective, and then overlaid them on a map.
1 - This is the photo from the opening post:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/Tsiolkovsky%201.gif)
2 - The image taken from the Lunar Orbiter video from your second post:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/Tsiolkovsky%202.gif)
3 - The image from Clementine I posted:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/Tsiolkovsky%203.gif)
4 - The image you posted on the second page:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/Tsiolkovsky%204.gif)
5 - The Apollo 15 image posted by
easynow on page 4:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/Tsiolkovsky%205.gif)
6 - The image from your post on page 4, the one where you said that the "photo needed to be flipped horizontally":
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/Tsiolkovsky%206.gif)
7 - The Apollo 13 image
easynow posted on page 5, AS13-60-8659:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/Tsiolkovsky%207.gif)
8 - The image you posted on page 5, from Apollo 8:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/Tsiolkovsky%208.gif)
9 - The image I took from the video:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/Tsiolkovsky%209.gif)
You can see that images 6,7 and 9 and the ones that were mirrored.
ok, let's focus on the original subject. what do you think so far?
1. it is not a lake
2. inconclusive
3. it is clearly a lake
Quote from: ArMaP on April 03, 2016, 01:11:38 AM
Because it is.
I used all the photos posted in this thread, resized, rotated and adjusted the perspective, and then overlaid them on a map.
1 - This is the photo from the opening post:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/Tsiolkovsky%201.gif)
2 - The image taken from the Lunar Orbiter video from your second post:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/Tsiolkovsky%202.gif)
3 - The image from Clementine I posted:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/Tsiolkovsky%203.gif)
4 - The image you posted on the second page:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/Tsiolkovsky%204.gif)
5 - The Apollo 15 image posted by easynow on page 4:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/Tsiolkovsky%205.gif)
6 - The image from your post on page 4, the one where you said that the "photo needed to be flipped horizontally":
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/Tsiolkovsky%206.gif)
7 - The Apollo 13 image easynow posted on page 5, AS13-60-8659:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/Tsiolkovsky%207.gif)
8 - The image you posted on page 5, from Apollo 8:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/Tsiolkovsky%208.gif)
9 - The image I took from the video:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/Tsiolkovsky%209.gif)
You can see that images 6,7 and 9 and the ones that were mirrored.
Quote from: vril-ya on April 03, 2016, 08:11:15 AM
ok, let's focus on the original subject. what do you think so far?
1. it is not a lake
2. inconclusive
3. it is clearly a lake
As I already said on page 1, I don't think there's an atmosphere on the Moon, so it's not even possible for it to be a lake of water.
And no, I don't think it's a lake, I think it's clearly a flat area of the ground, like in all other similar places, one of the things we should see if it was a lake would be some kind of refraction and maybe some reflections, and I haven't see any.
well, thankfully, you are wrong. but since you are sure, i suggest we make an open bet, if proven not to be a lake, i pay you 100,000$, otherwise you pay me. ok?
ps. i find it funny u r an administrator on john lear's forum who's one of main claims is breathable atmosphere on the moon
Quote from: ArMaP on April 03, 2016, 12:45:37 PM
As I already said on page 1, I don't think there's an atmosphere on the Moon, so it's not even possible for it to be a lake of water.
And no, I don't think it's a lake, I think it's clearly a flat area of the ground, like in all other similar places, one of the things we should see if it was a lake would be some kind of refraction and maybe some reflections, and I haven't see any.
Quotes I already said on page 1, I don't think there's an atmosphere on the Moon, so it's not even possible for it to be a lake of water.
so what kind of material is this? that lines the craters floor, yet stubbornly refuses to reflect much light from its barren structure-less surface ?
if you can conclusively say it not water. what's it's elemental composite ?
funbox
Quote from: vril-ya on April 03, 2016, 01:34:24 PM
well, thankfully, you are wrong.
It's possible. :)
Quotebut since you are sure, i suggest we make an open bet, if proven not to be a lake, i pay you 100,000$, otherwise you pay me. ok?
First, I never said I was sure, that's something I never say, second, I am not a betting person and I don't have 100,000$ (or euros, the currency in use in my country), I don't even have 1,000$, and if I had I would have much better uses for it, so I cannot accept your bet.
Quoteps. i find it funny u r an administrator on john lear's forum who's one of main claims is breathable atmosphere on the moon
Well, I started by being a common member, invited to join by
zorgon, becoming an administrator came a few years after I joined. I joined because I know
zorgon from ATS for several years now, and although we disagree in many things we also agree in some, and even if we didn't agree in any thing that doesn't mean we can't have good discussions about the topics we both like. :)
Quote from: funbox on April 03, 2016, 02:42:33 PM
what's it's elemental composite ?
I don't know, but we can look at the data gathered by several Moon missions.
Psalm 115:5-6: "They have mouths but cannot speak, eyes, but cannot see. They have ears but cannot hear, noses, but cannot smell."
(http://s9.postimg.org/yi5qjqbgf/tsio.jpg)
QuoteI don't know, but we can look at the data gathered by several Moon missions.
did a mission take samples from this crater ?
spectrometer readings from somewhere?
funbox
to be perfectly honest, i think it was a mistake to share this knowledge wtih you (goes for most). you are NOT ready for the truth, you don't want the truth and thus, you don't deserve the truth. (honor to those rare with eyes to see).
Quote from: funbox on April 03, 2016, 05:39:09 PM
did a mission take samples from this crater ?
No. (I don't think there was any mission to the far side of the Moon)
Quotespectrometer readings from somewhere?
Yes, from several missions.
Quote from: vril-ya on April 03, 2016, 06:19:10 PM
to be perfectly honest, i think it was a mistake to share this knowledge wtih you (goes for most).
You did the right thing, if we have knowledge that we think should be public, then we should publish it. And do not let the fact that not all people have the same ideas get you down, as we can only see the reactions of those that posted, we cannot know what's the opinion of those that read the thread and didn't post or how many people didn't have any idea of this "water, atmosphere and life on the Moon" topic and now, because of you, know about it, regardless of it being right or wrong.
Quoteyou are NOT ready for the truth, you don't want the truth and thus, you don't deserve the truth. (honor to those rare with eyes to see).
Different people have different opinions, resulting from different personalities, backgrounds, etc., it doesn't mean we can't discuss things.
And everyone deserves the truth, even if they (we) don't see it as such.
PS: you didn't say why you think my opinion posted on page 1 is wrong.
healthy skepticism i understand and encourage, but deliberate denial of the obvious, despite all presented so far, makes me question your true agenda here. i am not accusing you of anything, just stating my honest opinion.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 03, 2016, 09:03:31 PM
PS: you didn't say why you think my opinion posted on page 1 is wrong.
Quote from: vril-ya on April 03, 2016, 10:52:42 PM
healthy skepticism i understand and encourage, but deliberate denial of the obvious, despite all presented so far, makes me question your true agenda here.
The problem is what is obvious for one person may not be obvious for another.
For example, for me, it's obvious that the Moon doesn't have a real atmosphere because if it had we would see it or its effect on the light, but we do not.
Why is it obvious for you that the Moon has an atmosphere?
Also, why do you see my opinion as "deliberate denial"? What's wrong with my opinion?
Quotei am not accusing you of anything, just stating my honest opinion.
You are doing both, as your opinion accuses me of deliberate denial.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 04, 2016, 12:06:06 AM
The problem is what is obvious for one person may not be obvious for another.
For example, for me, it's obvious that the Moon doesn't have a real atmosphere because if it had we would see it or its effect on the light, but we do not.
Why is it obvious for you that the Moon has an atmosphere?
Also, why do you see my opinion as "deliberate denial"? What's wrong with my opinion?
You are doing both, as your opinion accuses me of deliberate denial.
doesn't the moon have water or an atmosphere then ? :D
funbox
Quote from: funbox on April 04, 2016, 12:18:56 AM
doesn't the moon have water or an atmosphere then ? :D
As it doesn't have any signs of having an atmosphere I don't see how it can have liquid water.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 04, 2016, 12:30:32 AM
As it doesn't have any signs of having an atmosphere I don't see how it can have liquid water.
I think you should put down that 1960's science book , the moon has both , a simple search on google will tell you that , feel free to pick a source :D
from my own observations of the moon through a scope , I sometimes see the moon having a brown hue in certain areas .. I wonder if that's caused by atmos
funbox
armap, indeed it has an atmosphere, slightly thinner and closer to the surface, but perfectly breathable. clouds have been observed, photographed and filmed. it is also often obsereved by amateur astronomers, as colleague funbox noted.
I'm the type of person that deals with facts, can anyone point me to some of the sources with facts about an atmosphere and liquid water on the Moon?
Thanks in advance. :)
Lick, January 1946
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon2/Clouds_02.jpg)
Quote from: ArMaP on April 04, 2016, 09:18:49 AM
I'm the type of person that deals with facts, can anyone point me to some of the sources with facts about an atmosphere and liquid water on the Moon?
Thanks in advance. :)
http://www.space.com/18067-moon-atmosphere.html
a simple google search was too taxing?,nevermind :D
http://www.space.com/7530-significant-amount-water-moon.html
funbox
hatonn
(http://s15.postimg.org/ixz4r7dyj/hatton.jpg)
armap, now imagine all the damage u've done to humanity by rejecting the truth and perpetuating official lies. u no, karma a whore.
(http://45.media.tumblr.com/1eb602d2c17b1eec3111d92742af1b57/tumblr_o366jgHRas1v7bndao1_540.gif)
Quote from: funbox on April 04, 2016, 01:03:04 PM
a simple google search was too taxing?,nevermind :D
No, I wanted to see what you would post. :)
And you posted exactly what I was expecting, references to the Moon's exosphere.
As the title of this thread is "Water, atmosphere and life on the Moon" we are, obviously, talking about an atmosphere that can allow the existence of liquid water and life, and that's not the case with the thin layer of gases that involves the Moon.
Quote from: vril-ya on April 04, 2016, 01:49:19 PM
armap, now imagine all the damage u've done to humanity by rejecting the truth and perpetuating official lies.
Just because someone wrote some words on a page doesn't mean that's the truth. Don't you have any thing better than that?
Quoteu no, karma a whore.
I don't believe in karma.
don't mind my or anyone's words, but mind the presented materials.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 04, 2016, 07:52:04 PM
Just because someone wrote some words on a page doesn't mean that's the truth. Don't you have any thing better than that?
I don't believe in karma.
Quote from: vril-ya on April 04, 2016, 09:04:18 PM
don't mind my or anyone's words, but mind the presented materials.
That's the problem, if we ignore the words, the "materials" are just images taken from a video of a slideshow taken in less than good conditions and bad quality photos and videos. Higher quality photos are disregarded as "fake".
What kind of "material" is that?
you put fake in quotes suggesting they are not fake. i don't think u r stupid, so it leaves only one option and that one i have adressed before.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 04, 2016, 09:33:30 PM
That's the problem, if we ignore the words, the "materials" are just images taken from a video of a slideshow taken in less than good conditions and bad quality photos and videos. Higher quality photos are disregarded as "fake".
What kind of "material" is that?
Quote from: vril-ya on April 04, 2016, 10:01:16 PM
you put fake in quotes suggesting they are not fake. i don't think u r stupid, so it leaves only one option and that one i have adressed before.
That's right, I put fake in quotes because I don't think they are fake.
You are the one saying they are fake, you are the one that should provide information showing they are fake.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 04, 2016, 07:49:13 PM
No, I wanted to see what you would post. :)
And you posted exactly what I was expecting, references to the Moon's exosphere.
As the title of this thread is "Water, atmosphere and life on the Moon" we are, obviously, talking about an atmosphere that can allow the existence of liquid water and life, and that's not the case with the thin layer of gases that involves the Moon.
expecting ? :D
should I try binary ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn_MQBkC4rs
datatrackbox
Quote from: funbox on April 04, 2016, 11:14:36 PM
expecting ? :D
should I try binary ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn_MQBkC4rs
datatrackbox
As usual, I don't understand what you mean. ???
ok, how do you account for this "little" discrepancy we see here?
apollo 17 over tsiolkovsky compared to tsiolkovsky by lunar reconnaissance orbiter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLQPTHyo5p0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iSZMv64wuU
Quote from: ArMaP on April 04, 2016, 11:13:26 PM
That's right, I put fake in quotes because I don't think they are fake.
You are the one saying they are fake, you are the one that should provide information showing they are fake.
Quote from: vril-ya on April 04, 2016, 11:52:36 PM
ok, how do you account for this "little" discrepancy we see here?
Could you be more specific? What discrepancy are you talking about?
you must be joking, but here is a comparison anyway.
(http://s29.postimg.org/50u1xwztz/image.jpg)
Quote from: ArMaP on April 05, 2016, 12:09:39 AM
Could you be more specific? What discrepancy are you talking about?
Grey moon
You saw me standing alone
Without a dream in my heart
Without a love of my own
(http://s15.postimg.org/u3v3h3upn/image.jpg)
Quote from: vril-ya on April 05, 2016, 12:30:08 AM
you must be joking, but here is a comparison anyway.
No, I'm not joking, but as I don't know what you're thinking about I don't know what am I suppose to be looking at.
Quote(http://s29.postimg.org/50u1xwztz/image.jpg)
The first thing I notice is, obviously, the difference in colour, but that means very little, considering the bad quality of the video.
I also see that the two photos are not in the same position, the one on the right should rotate 90º counter-clockwise to be aligned in the same way as the one on the left.
really? i guess then that "bad quality" gave it oolor and contrast.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 05, 2016, 01:48:54 AM
No, I'm not joking, but as I don't know what you're thinking about I don't know what am I suppose to be looking at.
The first thing I notice is, obviously, the difference in colour, but that means very little, considering the bad quality of the video.
I also see that the two photos are not in the same position, the one on the right should rotate 90º counter-clockwise to be aligned in the same way as the one on the left.
Quote from: vril-ya on April 05, 2016, 01:57:25 AM
really? i guess then that "bad quality" gave it oolor and contrast.
It can happen with conversion from different video or film formats. Do we have any official source for that video?
or it can happen when u r a shill and common sense and reason have no meaning to u..
"That's right, I put fake in quotes because I don't think they are fake."(http://s29.postimg.org/9srlutip3/0000.jpg)
Quote from: ArMaP on April 05, 2016, 09:23:43 AM
It can happen with conversion from different video or film formats. Do we have any official source for that video?
Quote from: ArMaP on April 04, 2016, 11:29:50 PM
As usual, I don't understand what you mean. ???
im sure you understand what I mean , but do you understand what Pato Banton means?,
funbox
Quote from: vril-ya on April 05, 2016, 10:54:18 AM
or it can happen when u r a shill and common sense and reason have no meaning to u..
I'm not a shill, but I can't really answer about common sense and reason, as I'm not the best person to judge myself on those topics. ;)
Different people, when looking at the same data, may come to different conclusions, that's why some people vote for a candidate and other people vote for another one, or why some people prefer to follow a soccer club instead of another.
To me, when I look at photos, the first thing I do is trying to find the best version of the photo, as that may make a huge difference, specially when talking about photos from old sites, that are usually smaller and either JPGs with strong compression (and a lot of artefacts) or GIFs that can only show 256 colours (although that doesn't make a difference in greyscale photos). If I find a better version I work with that.
One thing I can see on the photos you joined under "TRUTH" all have lower quality than the ones under "LIE".
There's even a curious case, the case of that image from a Lunar Orbiter I photo that you found on a video. If that's a photo why are you using the image captured from the video and not the real photo?
Here's the version available on the Lunar and Planetary Institute, but you're probably going to say it's fake. :)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/1102_med_1.jpg)
Different opinions help people understand what surrounds them (and sometimes it even helps them understand themselves), just because other people have a different opinion it doesn't mean they are your enemies.
Quote from: funbox on April 05, 2016, 04:11:40 PM
im sure you understand what I mean , but do you understand what Pato Banton means?
If I say I don't understand then it means I don't understand, I don't lie.
As for understanding what Pato Banton means I don't have the slightest idea, as I didn't watch the video (I hate videos and I don't like Reggae).
i didn't expect u'll admit it, but, as master said, "ye shall know them by their fruits". how strange that real photos are so hard to find and usually in lower resolution, how strange. if resolution was a measure of truthfulness, then how good a movie is would be determined by file size. you are the opposition to the truth, the dark side. i don't judge you, you will judge yourself.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 05, 2016, 09:19:57 PM
I'm not a shill, but I can't really answer about common sense and reason, as I'm not the best person to judge myself on those topics. ;)
Different people, when looking at the same data, may come to different conclusions, that's why some people vote for a candidate and other people vote for another one, or why some people prefer to follow a soccer club instead of another.
To me, when I look at photos, the first thing I do is trying to find the best version of the photo, as that may make a huge difference, specially when talking about photos from old sites, that are usually smaller and either JPGs with strong compression (and a lot of artefacts) or GIFs that can only show 256 colours (although that doesn't make a difference in greyscale photos). If I find a better version I work with that.
One thing I can see on the photos you joined under "TRUTH" all have lower quality than the ones under "LIE".
There's even a curious case, the case of that image from a Lunar Orbiter I photo that you found on a video. If that's a photo why are you using the image captured from the video and not the real photo?
Here's the version available on the Lunar and Planetary Institute, but you're probably going to say it's fake. :)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/1102_med_1.jpg)
Different opinions help people understand what surrounds them (and sometimes it even helps them understand themselves), just because other people have a different opinion it doesn't mean they are your enemies.
Quote from: vril-ya on April 05, 2016, 11:02:21 PM
how strange that real photos are so hard to find and usually in lower resolution, how strange.
That's probably because you ignore the photos that do not suit your opinion.
Quoteif resolution was a measure of truthfulness, then how good a movie is would be determined by file size.
Not truthfulness, they are one of the measures of quality of a digital photo, regardless of the content. If you work with low quality photos you are analysing more the noise on the image than the image itself, like when people see things on Mars' photos that are only JPEG artefacts.
Quoteyou are the opposition to the truth, the dark side. i don't judge you, you will judge yourself.
Yes, you are judging me, if you weren't you wouldn't be calling me "shill" or "the opposition to the truth".
And yes, I judge myself, constantly.
yes, i am calling u a shill, one of a sleazy kind. you are the one who ignores the photos and videos that don't suit your agenda of deception, promoting airbrushed, decolorized fakery instead of those showing real conditions on the moon.
u are like a robot, programmed to oppose the truth untill your batteries go dead. yet, you are powerless in front of the truth and there's nothing u can do to stop it. it will only become more and more revealed and your satanic agenda exposed.
(http://s28.postimg.org/6izak6rt9/Tsiolkovsky.jpg)
Quote from: ArMaP on April 06, 2016, 12:53:58 AM
That's probably because you ignore the photos that do not suit your opinion.
Not truthfulness, they are one of the measures of quality of a digital photo, regardless of the content. If you work with low quality photos you are analysing more the noise on the image than the image itself, like when people see things on Mars' photos that are only JPEG artefacts.
Yes, you are judging me, if you weren't you wouldn't be calling me "shill" or "the opposition to the truth".
And yes, I judge myself, constantly.
Quote from: vril-ya on April 06, 2016, 02:36:53 AM
yes, i am calling u a shill, one of a sleazy kind. you are the one who ignores the photos and videos that don't suit your agenda of deception, promoting airbrushed, decolorized fakery instead of those showing real conditions on the moon.
u are like a robot, programmed to oppose the truth untill your batteries go dead. yet, you are powerless in front of the truth and there's nothing u can do to stop it. it will only become more and more revealed and your satanic agenda exposed.
(http://s28.postimg.org/6izak6rt9/Tsiolkovsky.jpg)
I'd lay off the Hatonn material, got sucked in myself at one point.
I done
a lot of research of the publishing team/s (Broad context)... Don't lead anywhere good.
Some of the info is good.. But bypass the
tainted secondary sources, and go straight for the primary.
If you can.
Quote from: A51Watcher on March 27, 2016, 07:38:48 PM
Not to worry, I am not fooled by Menger or any of the contactee gang.
Adamski's footage was hoaxed as well as Mengers 'for whatever reason'.
Fry and Van Tassel are no better.
Apparently I am not the one who needs be concerned about being easily fooled.
Even when faced with the evidence of hoaxery, some still exhibit the will to believe.
Amazing.
Well Van Tassel was
a bit better .. For his work with Constable.
Both of them were channeling entities.. It was those channeled entities who advised TJC to try new photography techniques which resulted in photo's of the UFO's over giant rock in the 1950's.
Only those UFO's weren't nuts n bolts, but plasmoid.. or something.
Were the channeled entities being manipulative in feigning that they were the 'sky critters' ... or are they the sky critters?
Remains to be seen, imo.
@Vril-ya.. I think that you would do well to note that whilst
none human intelligence exist, also note that for as much
truth these entities speak, many speak just as much in
lie's. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D3UoGqfvos
And then sometime's you just have the alphabet agency psyop team#s to deal with.
i wouldn't refer to them if i thought they lied..
richard miller of solar cross foundation saying "farewell good brothers" in universal tongue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azBgaYTbLYQ
channeled tour de solar system:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS2XnaruDWc
i also uploaded a book made from these channelings:
http://ponistra.net/addon/223322302-Star-Wards-Welcome-Home-Earthman-by-Richard-T-Miller-SE.pdf (http://ponistra.net/addon/223322302-Star-Wards-Welcome-Home-Earthman-by-Richard-T-Miller-SE.pdf)full table of content from the book:
(http://s10.postimg.org/buqfpzlyv/star_wards.jpg)
Quote from: Sinny on April 06, 2016, 04:43:47 AM
Well Van Tassel was a bit better .. For his work with Constable.
Both of them were channeling entities.. It was those channeled entities who advised TJC to try new photography techniques which resulted in photo's of the UFO's over giant rock in the 1950's.
Only those UFO's weren't nuts n bolts, but plasmoid.. or something.
Were the channeled entities being manipulative in feigning that they were the 'sky critters' ... or are they the sky critters?
Remains to be seen, imo.
@Vril-ya.. I think that you would do well to note that whilst none human intelligence exist, also note that for as much truth these entities speak, many speak just as much in lie's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D3UoGqfvos
And then sometime's you just have the alphabet agency psyop team#s to deal with.
I wouldn't be referring to their lies if I thought they'd told the truth.
I done quite a bit of digging into Dick Miller too. All lies.
Well. They all dabbled in channeling. The rest is lies.
Quote from: Sinny on April 17, 2013, 10:36:47 PM
As some of you are aware I've been studying some "fringe" "channelers" in the ET/UFO field.
Now I really don't want to keep spamming the site with the same old "mumbo Jumbo", however during in my course of researching the Doris 'Dhama' Ekkers Phoenix Journals - Commander Hatonn, I was of course also looking at criticism, refuters and debunkers.
The only person who has claimed that Hatonn is fraud that I've yet investigated (thoroughly) myself is one called Richard T Miller of the Solar Cross Foundation.
Who is Richard T Miller?
Richard T Miller claims to have been in the Operations Room of Scott Air Force Base in Belleville, Illinois, at the time Thomas Mantell was rumored to have been killed whilst flying his plane tracking a UFO.
For details:
http://www.ufocasebook.com/Mantell.html
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/prepare4contact/message/28744
Richard Miller created an organization called The Solar Cross Foundation to investigate the ET/UFO Phenomena. There's not much to be found on the Solar Cross Foundation to say the least:
The Solar Cross Foundation (1955 - 1979)
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ricahrd+t+miller+the+solar+cross+foundation&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#client=firefox-a&hs=4Xa&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=richard+t+miller+the+solar+cross+foundation&spell=1&sa=X&ei=QAhvUfuuIsWd0AXfnoHABA&ved=0CC4QvwUoAA&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45368065,d.d2k&fp=c6c0eceedbf3f154&biw=1360&bih=645
Richard T Miller then went on to author the book Star Wards - Welcome Home Earth Man (and two sequels, I believe)
http://www.amazon.com/STAR-WARDS-Welcome-Home-Earthman/dp/B000OFWL94
He later went on to create The Phoenix Project - Its long to explain so here I'll excerpt from Paranet.
Paranet investigated The Phoenix Project quite thoroughly - and a lot can be understood from reading the whole transcripts. (linked below after all quotes)
Amongst the things Paranet *thought* they discovered was a connection between The Phoenix Project by Richard T Miller & Co and The Phoenix Project - Doris 'Dhama' Ekker - a connection made because BOTH Richard and Dhama claim to 'Channel' Hatonn, and mixture of SIMILAR postal addresses.
(Also note that Don Eckers assessment of 'Hatonn' is highly flawed)
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/branton/esp_dulcebook16.htm
Richard T Millers rebuttal to Paranet:
http://mail.paranoiamagazine.com/archive/General-Conspiracy-Data/PHOENTRM.TXT
Ok, so Miller claims NO affiliation with the 'fraudulent' (his words) Hatonn scribed by Doris Ekker, despite the similarities (Well, they major differently in linguistics according to Don Ecker, reference to article made above)
I believe him - despite Paranets reservations, he has no affiliation with Doris and thinks the whole things a hoax.
Richard writes to Doris's Hatonn to claim fraud with given explanation - Doris' Hattonn responds to the claim with given explanation:
Phoenix Journal - First Steps - by Gyeorgos C. Hatonn, SOLAR CROSS OR SOMETHING, page 89
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=7UyEzFvM9kQC&pg=PA95&lpg=PA95&dq=Richard+T+Miller+solar+cross+hatonn&source=bl&ots=KXnOKziZq1&sig=uR_VxiNnhYS045tQmYeYkqbkeg8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Kw5vUcf6N5TB0gWqhICwDQ&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Richard%20T%20Miller%20solar%20cross%20hatonn&f=false
I'm not in a position to pay £80 for Millers book Star Wards, so my next best option was to locate his audio tapes
I managed to find some of those tapes 2 weeks ago. However being pressed for time I only managed to listen to 20 mins worth (out of about 70 tapes) - so I bookmarked the page to return to at a later date. I actually opened them last week, although my media player didn't seem to want to work, so I left opening them to return to at a later date.
Today, I returned to the site with the intention of downloading them all before they disappeared on the net.
Here's my source - http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/prepare4contact/message/28744
All links 404ed.
http://ipsmediaworks.net/issa/
http://loveandempowerment.com/1024_p1
http://www.stardoves.com/pub.html
That's the only bloomin site I've ever found those tapes on, and I'm rather annoyed and disappointed that I cannot locate any of audio tapes, my classified is a plea, that some day some one else will take interest in this Miller fellow and help me locate the Audio tapes
I aint looked at this stuff in ages..
http://marcianitosverdes.haaan.com/2009/04/mon-ka-la-hermandad-blanca-y-otros-comandantes-de-luz-final/
Quote from: greatlakeatlantic on August 24, 2013, 08:58:19 PM
Hi, this is my first time I've been active on this forum. After I found your thread, I signed up just so I could attempt to help you on your search for the Richard T. Miller tapes. I have the tapes in mp3 format, at least the only tapes that still exist. I also have a pdf of the latest edition Star Wards that I could send you. I was in touch with Richard's partner who he was living with at the time of his death in September 2000. Richard developed Brain Cancer, and began destroying everything he had, i.e. Tapes, records, and papers, which would include the tapes, including Solar Cross literature. I actively tried to gather as much info and material that I could about Richard and his life, and now believe I own everything that still exists. If you'd like it, I'd be happy to give you whatever you need.
Quote from: greatlakeatlantic on August 25, 2013, 06:33:36 PM
Below are the links to the full body of surviving work of Richard T. Miller.
I'm glad I could satisfy your curiosity. I was at one time in the exact same place you were, trying to dissect the differences and decide for myself what really was going on with the Hatonn from Phoenix Journal and Liberator and the Hatonn from Richard's T. Miller's recordings and books. There is a STARK difference, and you will soon come to know that for yourself. If there's anything else I can help with, or if you'd like to discuss Richard, or any of the other 1950's contactees, please don't hesitate.
"I depart now beloved ones, in the "Light" of the Radiant One, and in so doing say
this to you: Oh people of Earth, come home! Come home! I am Hatonn."
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B5ws1QCmQvu1Ty1Nd2FKVVJUeTA&usp=sharing
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5ws1QCmQvu1T1VnemttZzIzX1U/edit
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5ws1QCmQvu1aVlxX0k3UnJWdFk/edit
Quote from: Sinny on November 12, 2014, 11:40:13 AM
Logo's, GreatLakes has not been around since I hinted at my doubt of the authenticity of the 'Communication'.
I found an obscure reference to Millers 'Boss' having busted Richard Miller faking the Radio communication...
Unfortunately I lost the foreign link which took me several months to find...
I think his bosses name was R.Cox, but this is from poor memory.. You have reminded me to attempt to locate this link again thank you.
And Greatlakes, if you check by to see this, I hope I didn't offend you.
Quote
Mon-Ka is many people's favorite Martian. According to one chronicler, he "has a wisdom that is light years beyond the most intelligent person on our planet."
Mon-Ka first communicated with earthlings in April 1956 at the Giant Rock Spacecraft Convention in Southern California, when contactee Dick Miller played recordings that he said had mysteriously appeared on tapes in sealed cans. On the tapes Mon-Ka asked a favor and made a promise: "On the evening of November 7, of this your year 1956, at 10:30 P.M. your local time, we request that one of your communications stations remove its carrier signal from the air for two minutes. At that time we will speak from our craft, which will be stationed at an altitude of 10,000 feet over your great city of Los Angeles."
In September Miller went to London and played the tapes for impressionable British saucer fans. The Associated Press' tongue-in-cheek treatment afforded the story international attention. A subsequent Los Angeles Mirror-News account revealed that Miller had once faked a radio communication from a saucer in his native Detroit. Nonetheless, Southern California succumbed to Mon-Ka mania. Two mass rallies were held in Los Angeles in late October, and organizer Gabriel Green enthusiastically talked up the Martian on Art Linkletter's popular House Party television show
http://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/monka-mars.htm
I'm pretty sure that Millers & Mathias' group was the same dodgy Detroit group LL Research were so keen to distance themselves from.
It'll save you a LOT of trouble, if you just do what I didn't and listen to others.. :P
The Phoenix Project was like the 1950's version of The Aviary Peddling the Dulce scam
http://paul.rutgers.edu/~mcgrew/ufo/to-be-merged/phoenix.project
Dulce New Mexico & The Ashtar Connectionhttp://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/branton/esp_dulcebook16.htm
Quote
As a further note: Under paragraph (3E), it mentions that there are buildings ... "five-sided with a dome," ParaNet has seen photographic evidence of such buildings. These buildings are not buildings as one would think of them, but what appear to be wilderness observation platforms. The Dulce Report denies any of these buildings appeared in their investigation.
Ever heard of Allen H Greenfield?http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bb/bluebook666.htm
Quote from: ArMaP on April 05, 2016, 09:23:54 PM
If I say I don't understand then it means I don't understand, I don't lie.
As for understanding what Pato Banton means I don't have the slightest idea, as I didn't watch the video (I hate videos and I don't like Reggae).
interesting , I thought every single human being on the planet lied, you the first ive met that doesn't :D
funbox
no, just no
Quote from: Sinny on April 06, 2016, 01:44:28 PM
I done quite a bit of digging into Dick Miller too. All lies.
Well. They all dabbled in channeling. The rest is lies.
bsbsbsbsbsbs
Quote from: vril-ya on April 06, 2016, 03:15:15 PM
no, just no
Care to elaborate?
You're not sounding very reasonable.
i think u don't sound reasonable. just read your post, it's a bunch of name-calling
and confused accusations without a single intelligent argument.
Quote from: Sinny on April 06, 2016, 03:23:35 PM
Care to elaborate?
You're not sounding very reasonable.
Quote from: vril-ya on April 06, 2016, 03:29:42 PM
i think u don't sound reasonable. just read your post, it's a bunch of name-calling
and confused accusations without a single intelligent argument.
Okay, well somebody is lacking intelligence here, and it isn't me LOL.
Quote from: Sinny on April 06, 2016, 03:33:20 PM
Okay, well somebody is lacking intelligence here, and it isn't me LOL.
that would be me :D and they told me at the que I could get by on wisdom alone ... dam liars
dumbOX
LOL, reality check, it actually is you. ,)
Quote from: Sinny on April 06, 2016, 03:33:20 PM
Okay, well somebody is lacking intelligence here, and it isn't me LOL.
Quote from: vril-ya on April 06, 2016, 03:46:21 PM
LOL, reality check, it actually is you. ,)
that's ok , of that which I know nothing of , will not be missed
funbox
ahhh come on , that was a good un :D
not even a titter
sadbox
Who 'okayed' this idiot? Rhetorical.
Sorry for the derail.
Lol, I was most amused FunBox, you are a box of fun.
Quote from: Sinny on April 06, 2016, 04:01:26 PM
Who 'okayed' this idiot? Rhetorical.
Sorry for the derail.
Lol, I was most amused FunBox, you are a box of fun.
*bows low and long#*
ure welcome :D
thereisnobox
when retard calls u an idiot , it must be taken as a compliment. ,)
Quote from: vril-ya on April 06, 2016, 02:36:53 AM
yes, i am calling u a shill, one of a sleazy kind.
But you said you were not judging me...
Quoteyou are the one who ignores the photos and videos that don't suit your agenda of deception, promoting airbrushed, decolorized fakery instead of those showing real conditions on the moon.
I don't ignore them, I analyse them and classify them according to their visual quality, it's not my problem you only post bad copies and do not provide photo IDs.
Quoteu are like a robot, programmed to oppose the truth untill your batteries go dead.
I hope my batteries last long enough. :)
Quoteyet, you are powerless in front of the truth and there's nothing u can do to stop it.
Nobody can stop the truth, but there are many ways of hiding it. The most common in topics like this is to show bad quality (or even altered) photos that show what people want to see, so they do not think about it and accept them right away.
Quoteit will only become more and more revealed and your satanic agenda exposed.
Satanic agenda? "Moi"? No...
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/sp-studio.jpg)
Quote from: Sinny on April 06, 2016, 04:43:47 AM
Well Van Tassel was a bit better .. For his work with Constable.
not much of a recommendation there, better than what? lol
Both of them were channeling entities.. It was those channeled entities who advised TJC to try new photography techniques which resulted in photo's of the UFO's over giant rock in the 1950's.
Only those UFO's weren't nuts n bolts, but plasmoid.. or something.
Or maybe jellyfish on double exposure -
(https://www.hcn.org/issues/41.21/erratic-behavior/Ethereans.jpg/image)
Or maybe lenticular clouds -
(http://www.labyrinthina.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/integratroncloudships.gif)
The 'Ethereans'??
Really? ::)
... and the Integratron?
Allegedly capable of time travel as well!
(http://clui.org/sites/default/files/ludb/ca/4555/5662562069_e4070208a9_o.jpg)
(http://s3-media2.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/7yd_LJkSL94wynJG5ushtg/348s.jpg)
note the lack of connection of any pipes
(http://s3-media1.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/qHGF3wfbyRIY20ZRdvHlOQ/o.jpg)
(http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/700683/24650128/1396286252280/IT_FULL_ROOM_print-06051.jpg)
This place was in total disrepair and abandoned by the 80's (when you could see pics of the interior and the lack of connection of the pipes.
Since then a groovy couple has bought the property and done a groovy total renovation that not only hides the pipe connections (or lack thereof) but it's all wood floors now with floor pillows to have a groovy meditation experience and absorb the collected etheric energy.
Plenty of reservations available! Call now!
Quote from: funbox on April 06, 2016, 02:29:08 PM
interesting , I thought every single human being on the planet lied, you the first ive met that doesn't :D
I used to, but I decided to stop when I noticed that my lies were affecting someone I loved.
Quote from: funbox on April 06, 2016, 03:39:10 PM
that would be me :D and they told me at the que I could get by on wisdom alone ... dam liars
dumbOX
;D ;D ;D :'(
Quote from: ArMaP on April 06, 2016, 08:05:19 PM
Satanic agenda? "Moi"? No...
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/sp-studio.jpg)
Oh you are all so fun and cracking me up!! ;D
"But you said you were not judging me..."
that you are a shiil is not judging but a fact.
"I analyse them and classify them according to their visual quality" and "it's not my problem you only post bad copies and do not provide photo IDs"
well, you shills know very well how good job your masters have done to suppress real moon photos, especially in high resolution.. photo number or id don't give much crediblity when they come from a disinfo, criminal agency known as n(ever) a s(straight) a(nswer).
"Nobody can stop the truth, but there are many ways of hiding it. The most common in topics like this is to show bad quality (or even altered) photos that show what people want to see, so they do not think about it and accept them right away."
nobody can stop it in the long run, but you shills have done a great damage inhibiting it and postponing it by your sleazy work. one of the methods you employ is to even point a finger at us truth-tellers, like in the comment above, which doesn't even make sense. those are desperate attempts to oppose the truth that cannot be stopped.
"Satanic agenda? "Moi"? No..."
satanic indeed, opposite to the truth.
(http://s30.postimg.org/gi45yj2td/image.jpg)
Quote from: ArMaP on April 06, 2016, 08:10:17 PM
I used to, but I decided to stop when I noticed that my lies were affecting someone I loved.
tut tut , as long as you told the truth when you got sprung :D, so how did you stop ? the lying equivalence to the AA
funbox
Quote from: vril-ya on April 06, 2016, 09:10:01 PM
that you are a shiil is not judging but a fact.
No, it's your opinion, so it's a result of your judgement.
Quotewell, you shills know very well how good job your masters have done to suppress real moon photos, especially in high resolution..
I don't have masters, and why don't you give us one example of a high resolution photo you would like to see, maybe someone can find it.
Quotephoto number or id don't give much crediblity when they come from a disinfo, criminal agency known as n(ever) a s(straight) a(nswer).
Well, who took the other photos that you consider real? Bugs Bunny?
Quotenobody can stop it in the long run, but you shills have done a great damage inhibiting it and postponing it by your sleazy work. one of the methods you employ is to even point a finger at us truth-tellers, like in the comment above, which doesn't even make sense.
Maybe I didn't explain it as I should: you shouldn't believe everything you see just because it suits your dreams.
Quotethose are desperate attempts to oppose the truth that cannot be stopped.
No, just things you interpret in the wrong way, because you prefer to think of yourself as a "paladin of the truth".
Quotesatanic indeed, opposite to the truth.
No, just trying to separate bad data from good data.
Quote from: funbox on April 06, 2016, 11:39:05 PM
tut tut , as long as you told the truth when you got sprung :D,
The problem with lies is that they make you think that there's always a way out of any problem, you just have to make a new lie. I looked at the circumstances I was in and thought that it was possible that some years after I would be living in a world of lies.
Quoteso how did you stop ? the lying equivalence to the AA
I can control my actions, so I just stopped.
Quote from: Dyna on April 06, 2016, 08:55:31 PM
;D ;D ;D :'(
ahhh don't weep on me :D it was really a very short Que, and with no time to waste, Ide hardly blinked before the roaring redness was a poisonous atmospheric lungful, of light, noise, all wrapped up with the stench of blood
funbox
Quote from: ArMaP on April 06, 2016, 11:46:52 PM
The problem with lies is that they make you think that there's always a way out of any problem, you just have to make a new lie. I looked at the circumstances I was in and thought that it was possible that some years after I would be living in a world of lies.
I can control my actions, so I just stopped.
indeed..., a futile string of deceptions that come full circle eventually ... panama cigar ? :D
but still ArMaP ,
whats to say the imagery is not faked , if they* can make 1300 sheep disappear from a field without a trace, making buildings and structures disappear from photographs is a cinch..
foobox
Quote from: funbox on April 06, 2016, 11:56:20 PM
whats to say the imagery is not faked , if they* can make 1300 sheep disappear from a field without a trace, making buildings and structures disappear from photographs is a cinch..
First of all, where are the photos with buildings and structures? Most
* of the photos that are supposed to show buildings and structures are bad copies of originals that do not show those buildings and structures.
Yes, it's relatively easy to remove unwanted things from photos (my brother worked in publicity and his work was mostly correct the faces of the models to make them look better), but we are talking about things for which there are several photos, taken from different points of view and perspectives, so if they remove something from a photo they have to remove it in the same way in all photos from all missions that show that area. It would be easier not to publish the photos.
* There's at least one photo of the Moon that shows what appears to be a lozenge-shaped structure for which I have no explanation.
Edited to add an image showing the area I was talking about. It's from AS11-41-6156.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/AS11_41_6156/Structure01B.png)
Quotebut we are talking about things for which there are several photos, taken from different points of view and perspectives,
why is this a problem ?
Quoteso if they remove something from a photo they have to remove it in the same way in all photos from all missions that show that area. It would be easier not to publish the photos.
still not a problem , the only problem I see here is not publishing, and what would the scientific community, not in the know, say then ?, if nothing was given ? they'd be a lynching ArMaP.
see the thing is when you tell a lie the first time , you have to keep it up etc etc :D
if help has been used to cover up the help...well , what chance is there then?
QuoteThere's at least one photo of the Moon that shows what appears to be a lozenge-shaped structure for which I have no explanation.
where's the rest of the photo ?
do you have a link
funbox
Quote from: funbox on April 07, 2016, 12:42:38 AM
why is this a problem ?
It makes things harder, as with more photos from different points of view and perspectives there are more references that can be used to see that something is wrong in the altered photo.
Quotestill not a problem , the only problem I see here is not publishing, and what would the scientific community, not in the know, say then ?, if nothing was given ? they'd be a lynching ArMaP.
I was thinking about not publishing some photos (the photos that could show "unwanted" things), not all.
Quotesee the thing is when you tell a lie the first time , you have to keep it up etc etc :D
if help has been used to cover up the help...well , what chance is there then?
The more lies you tell the more likely you are to be caught.
Quotewhere's the rest of the photo ?
do you have a link
You can start by looking here (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Moon_Images_A10.html). :)
"No, it's your opinion, so it's a result of your judgement."
no, it's a fact, weather you are payed for it or not, doesn't even matter.
"I don't have masters, and why don't you give us one example of a high resolution photo you would like to see, maybe someone can find it."
yes you do. like i wrote before, weather you are directly employed by the dark forces or not, you serve their agenda, opposing the truth.
everything they publish is airbrushed, decolorized, over-exposed, flipped etc to remove the original information. some untampered frames like these i present slipped from the early days before computers when thorough airbrushing still wasn't the regular practice.
"Well, who took the other photos that you consider real? Bugs Bunny?"
i just explained, it's not original photos that are fake, it is that they have been faked subsequently.. poorely and obviously so.
"Maybe I didn't explain it as I should: you shouldn't believe everything you see just because it suits your dreams."
and that exactly applies to you and your dream of honest nasa, or rather a sleazy attempt to appear so. only truth matters and it is our right and duty to remove "the truth's protective layers", as good old neil put it.
"No, just things you interpret in the wrong way, because you prefer to think of yourself as a "paladin of the truth"."
you are the one who interprets things the wrong way, opting for lie over truth. i am no paladin, just a truthseeker and i oppose the deception you promote.
"No, just trying to separate bad data from good data."
no you are not, you are a liar and a deceiver. fake data is never a "good data".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwxsL6msdwE
Quote from: ArMaP on April 07, 2016, 12:53:49 AM
It makes things harder, as with more photos from different points of view and perspectives there are more references that can be used to see that something is wrong in the altered photo.
so you think that's more difficult than whisking away 1300 sheep without a trace ?
I couldn't find the lozenge
however
(http://i.imgur.com/rlbYVwP.jpg)
maybe there lozenge factories
funbox
Annnddd... one flew over the cuckoo's nest.
ArMaP's not a shill, he just like's concrete fact's and figure's, as opposed to intuitive abstracts.. especially one's which seem wrong, to him.
ArMaP's useful for poking holes in all our blind spots.
he may not be a shill, but acts like one for all practical purposes. speaking about one flew, consider replacing tesla with this one
(http://www.dvdizzy.com/images/l-o/oneflewoverthecuckoosnest-13.jpg)
Quote from: Sinny on April 07, 2016, 01:30:21 AM
ArMaP's useful for poking holes in all our blind spots.
then why isn't he working on earths defence systems against alien invasion ? those lasers can be terrible against pilots .. look at all the planes that have crashed cause of them.. imagine when ArMaP + laser are combine, better than an envelope of slow time..
failing that there's always work to be done on cataracts
funbox
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move on, nothing to see here
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/lunarorbiter/images/preview/1102_h1.jpg (http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/lunarorbiter/images/preview/1102_h1.jpg)
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http://www.keithlaney.net/ApolloOrbitalimages/AS10/AS10-28-4014.jpg (http://www.keithlaney.net/ApolloOrbitalimages/AS10/AS10-28-4014.jpg)
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google moon with coordinates, my finds
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Mars smiles, it appears :D
(http://i.imgur.com/VRcatWj.jpg)
latest mast
http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/01302/mcam/1302ML0061910010405576E01_DXXX.jpg
funbox
Greetings Gentle People:
I really love the give-and-take and the links [when provided] that somewhat backup certain comments.
Good stuff!
However, the personal attacks, name calling and otherwise abhorrent behavior will stop now, please.
Good thing that I have a short memory, because it seems certain aspects of this conversation we have been through before...just saying'.
To whom it may concern: Thin ice ahead, so please limit yourself to the facts and drop the personal attacks. I also asked this [albeit rather obliquely] on page two.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Fascinating subject!
Carry on.
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Quote from: vril-ya on April 07, 2016, 12:57:44 AM
no, it's a fact, weather you are payed for it or not, doesn't even matter.
I suppose then that your definition of "shill" is different from mine.
Quoteyes you do. like i wrote before, weather you are directly employed by the dark forces or not, you serve their agenda, opposing the truth.
Why are you so convinced that your point of view is the truth? Don't you think it's possible you are wrong?
Quoteeverything they publish is airbrushed, decolorized, over-exposed, flipped etc to remove the original information.
Flipping a photo doesn't remove information, and there's no need of decolorizing any photos when they were taken with monochromatic film.
Quotesome untampered frames like these i present slipped from the early days before computers when thorough airbrushing still wasn't the regular practice.
Airbrushing has existed long before computers existed, some techniques for altering photos are easier to do in a photo lab than on a computer. I have seen many people talking about those hypothetical untampered frames that somehow slipped from the early days, but I have never seen real evidences of that, only stories.
Quoteand that exactly applies to you and your dream of honest nasa, or rather a sleazy attempt to appear so.
My dream of a honest NASA? That shows you don't know me at all.
Quoteno you are not, you are a liar and a deceiver.
Prove it.
Quotefake data is never a "good data".
I agree, you just have to prove that your data is good data and I will accept it, but you haven't presented any supporting evidence that the data you present as good it's really good.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 07, 2016, 09:21:15 AMWhy are you so convinced that your point of view is the truth? Don't you think it's possible you are wrong?
regarding this subject, no.
QuoteFlipping a photo doesn't remove information, and there's no need of decolorizing any photos when they were taken with monochromatic film.
flipping makes is it impossible to see things clearly as in original. apollo frames are taken with color film.
QuoteAirbrushing has existed long before computers existed, some techniques for altering photos are easier to do in a photo lab than on a computer. I have seen many people talking about those hypothetical untampered frames that somehow slipped from the early days, but I have never seen real evidences of that, only stories.
you have seen them in this thread.
QuoteProve it.
you proved it yourself.
QuoteI agree, you just have to prove that your data is good data and I will accept it, but you haven't presented any supporting evidence that the data you present as good it's really good.
and who really cares what you accept, truth sure doesn't. my data shows the truth noted in the thread's title, you represent the lie.
approaching tsiokovsky for landig as imagined. will not be a problem now that propulsion systems are cracked. hull is multi-layered thick titanium under high electrostatic charge to protect from radiation.
(http://s8.postimg.org/w34riofn9/Untitled_1.jpg)
Quote from: A51Watcher on April 06, 2016, 08:06:35 PM
And the other photo's, all exposure?
The integron, I do not take seriously.
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/Trevor%20James%20Constable/a1_zps1b437008.png) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/Trevor%20James%20Constable/a1_zps1b437008.png.html)
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As for 'Etherians' .. Dude, we all agree here that some of these things are defying physics as we 'know' them.
Whats your label for them? Grey Aliens?
I reflect back on UFO's which materiaise and dematerialise, and morph and shift...
Not your nuts n bolts 'waves' from the 40's & 50's.
I separate the different kinds of sightings in light of the information presented by James Carrion.
My two cents:
Lunar Recon Orbiter
This is a crop of:
Image:
WAC_ROI_FARSIDE_DUSK_E300S1350_100M.PYR.TIF
File size: 645 MB
Dim: 27291x18194x8
Dpi: 72.00
Compression: Uncompressed
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If you go and find, WAC_ROI_FARSIDE_DUSK_E300S1350_100M.PYR.TIF, you'll be able to zoom in with good resolution and see that this is NOT a lake.
IMHO...
(I've done my share of finding anomalous artifacts and this is no lake.)
Peace 8)
Rock..
Quote from: vril-ya on April 07, 2016, 10:19:55 AM
regarding this subject, no.
OK. I always find it strange how some people do not think of the possibility of being wrong. I suppose that says something about them.
Quoteflipping makes is it impossible to see things clearly as in original.
More difficult, yes, impossible, no, not all people are fooled by flipped images.
Quoteapollo frames are taken with color film.
Some.
Quoteyou have seen them in this thread.
Without ID they are harder to find, maybe I will look for them when I have time.
Quoteyou proved it yourself.
No, I just posted my opinion.
Quoteand who really cares what you accept, truth sure doesn't. my data shows the truth noted in the thread's title, you represent the lie.
I don't know how old you are, but here's a friendly advice: don't insult people you don't know.
i am not going to be rude and ignore you, but conversing with you this way is not fruitful. you will keep denying the obvious indefinetelly, or at least untill it becomes widely accepted and then you will mute yourself, as it usually goes with those who oppose the truth.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 07, 2016, 08:41:10 PM
OK. I always find it strange how some people do not think of the possibility of being wrong. I suppose that says something about them.
More difficult, yes, impossible, no, not all people are fooled by flipped images.
Some.
Without ID they are harder to find, maybe I will look for them when I have time.
No, I just posted my opinion.
I don't know how old you are, but here's a friendly advice: don't insult people you don't know.
Quote from: vril-ya on April 07, 2016, 09:35:28 PM
i am not going to be rude and ignore you, but conversing with you this way is not fruitful.
I agree, regardless of who may be wrong or right, this conversation is going nowhere, so I will stop wasting my time with it.
Quote from: Sinny on April 07, 2016, 01:25:36 PM
And the other photo's, all exposure?
Fraid so. Many types of processing errors result in plasmoids. Get yourself a brownie camera and some developing chemicals and see what fun you can have developing plasmoids.
Photo sensitive paper and a magnifying glass produce equally impressive aliens too.
So the jellyfish over big rock wasn't enough for you?
I'll bet he indeed WAS given some tips on photography as you mentioned, double exposure and false perspective being the primary lessons.
Personally I would be too embarrassed to present any of the photos below to image analysis experts for examination.
They would probably be diplomatic but sure to change their phone numbers.
Armap might have a go if ya ask nice. ;)
The integron, I do not take seriously.
Well thank goodness for that. The 'Etherians' gave Van Tassell that 'technology' you know.
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/Trevor%20James%20Constable/a1_zps1b437008.png) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/Trevor%20James%20Constable/a1_zps1b437008.png.html)
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As for 'Etherians' .. Dude, we all agree here that some of these things are defying physics as we 'know' them.
None of the contactee media shows evidence of such. Only window stickers appearing to move because of the slimy photographers moving the camera around attempting the old false perspective trick.
The Etherians were mistakenly identified as such, I think they actually originated in the movie - Plan 9 From Outer Space -
The title of all these contactee books sound like 50's B grade scifi movies as well.
Their true name is the Malarkyians.
And the old canard of 'the MIB's mixed in faked evidence' being floated in this thread doesn't wash when the alleged contactee gleefully shows off the hoaxed evidence and tells fanciful tales about it as their own.
They only disavow it and claim MIB trickery when the evidence is exposed as fake.
Suddenly their memory makes a miraculous recovery.
Whats your label for them? Grey Aliens?
I reflect back on UFO's which materiaise and dematerialise, and morph and shift...
Not your nuts n bolts 'waves' from the 40's & 50's.
nuts n bolts craft also morph and dematerialize, so that confuses the sorting as well.
I separate the different kinds of sightings in light of the information presented by James Carrion.
I call them the Zeta's, since reliable information states that is where they originate from.
The Malarkyians found the perfect humans to pass along their message.
Motives were either money, or a psyop to calm public fears and probably a combination of the 2.
Trying to sort contactees into 'better than or worse than' is a pointless excersize.
Sorry I'm having none of it.
I only buy into what I and we have personally scratched and clawed and fought for, wresting from the grip of the silence keepers.
And somehow here on this thread, we went from a discussion of atmosphere and water on the Moon to magnet motors?? HUH? :)
oh my lost brethen, how blind and deaf can you be?
ALL of the planets and most of the moons except gas giants saturn and jupiter ARE INHABITED and have life conditions like earth and HUMAN civilizations..
GANYMEDE
(http://s29.postimg.org/rgcwhoiyf/gany.jpg)
(http://s22.postimg.org/lm3m07ikh/gany1.jpg) (http://www.gigapan.com/gigapans/169363)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmYg-lZzDSU
do you even know we are maldek / lucifer reincarnated, which was destroyed some 79,000 years ago by a cobalt / hydrogen atomic bomb.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlVK42POtXo
What does any of this have to do with the topic? 'Water, atmosphere and life on the Moon'.
Rhetorical question
maybe i should've named the thread "water, atmosphere and life on most planets and moons in our solar system".
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on April 08, 2016, 03:04:08 PM
What does any of this have to do with the topic? 'Water, atmosphere and life on the Moon'.
Rhetorical question
this is one of the cases when it sounds too good to be true, yet, it IS true.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTjqxQVkz8c
I forgot that I left one post unanswered. :(
Quote from: funbox on April 07, 2016, 01:29:06 AM
I couldn't find the lozenge
It's here.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/AS11-41-6156HR.jpg)
It may be just an image artefact, but I don't know how, so I classify it as "unexplained".
There's another photo of the Moon with something I don't think can be just a rock, the one below, from AS16-116-18603.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/AS16-116-18603HR.jpg)
There's a page about that photo on The Living Moon site, here (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Moon_Images_A15.html).
ZORGON, do you maybe have this apollo footage??
https://youtu.be/WIZaJ2uWfYs?t=6m19s
Quote from: rdunk on April 08, 2016, 03:53:41 AM
And somehow here on this thread, we went from a discussion of atmosphere and water on the Moon to magnet motors?? HUH? :)
That's why a new topic was created, Gravity control (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9265.0).
Everybody can continue that discussion on the new topic. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on April 09, 2016, 04:02:19 PM
I forgot that I left one post unanswered. :(
It's here.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/AS11-41-6156HR.jpg)
It may be just an image artefact, but I don't know how, so I classify it as "unexplained".
There's another photo of the Moon with something I don't think can be just a rock, the one below, from AS16-116-18603.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/AS16-116-18603HR.jpg)
There's a page about that photo on The Living Moon site, here (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Moon_Images_A15.html).
ide almost forgot, the lozenge , I still don't see it .. but im far more interested in the cog like structure you've posted .. what's the official line on this part ? space junk , or the usual dogmatic silence ?
funbox
Quote from: funbox on April 09, 2016, 08:09:43 PM
ide almost forgot, the lozenge , I still don't see it .. but im far more interested in the cog like structure you've posted .. what's the official line on this part ? space junk , or the usual dogmatic silence ?
As far as I know, silence.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 09, 2016, 08:34:57 PM
As far as I know, silence.
and again, this dis interest where there should be plenty of interest, a pattern so ever reoccurring, what are we to believe? , that the space programme has no genuine human inquisitivity,?
the feined lack of interest in my eyes ,is telling
funbox
Quote from: funbox on April 09, 2016, 09:07:28 PM
the feined lack of interest in my eyes ,is telling
That's one of the things I don't like in NASA. While ESA and the little I have seen of Jaxa are usually quiet about everything, NASA likes to speak of many things but keeps silent about other things, besides those suspicious images they put on their more "public relations" sites, as if they think that what's important is publicity.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 09, 2016, 09:52:05 PM
That's one of the things I don't like in NASA. While ESA and the little I have seen of Jaxa are usually quiet about everything, NASA likes to speak of many things but keeps silent about other things, besides those suspicious images they put on their more "public relations" sites, as if they think that what's important is publicity.
i suppose they think they do.. more pitchforks, in that lot.
a handful with the blinkers off ... :D
funbox
is anyone here witted in remote control and radio astronomy.. say, if someone gave you a drone that can reach the moon in an hour, whould you know how to remote control it from earth and transmit data from the camera. how big a plate would be needed?
(http://s18.postimg.org/40unro6u1/tsio.jpg)
NASA-nized
(http://s28.postimg.org/4wpo9w2hp/tsio1.jpg)
from "other tongues, other flesh"..
The following is a message received in Arizona from one of these Knights who is now surveying our Earth in space craft.
"In the Light of our Infinite Father, the Creative Spirit, we greet you fellow creatures and brothers of Saros. We who now speak are also of your third density. As you peer through your "big eyes" you can easily see many of us. However, you only see eight of us besides yourself. There are three more of the Father's Mansions with one being beyond the planet you know as Pluto, and the other two between Mercury and the Sun.
"Twelve is an important number and so is Seven. That is why a group to the west at Giant Rock in your State of California speaks of The Council of the Seven Lights. Remember, we have also spoken of The Council-Circle 7x. There were Twelve Apostles who followed the Master, one of the Twelve destroyed himself. There are Twelve Planets now in our Solar System, and one, your planet of Earth, known to other beings of the third density as Saros, is a lost brother (mansion) now on the brink of self-destruction. The Creator's symbolism is always exact and understood only by those who discern His signs.
"The planet known to you as Saturn is the location of the Universal Tribunal of this, our Solar System. We will not go into the nature of our Great Sun Body at this time, but let it be stated here that there are beings on the planetary bodies under the photosphere of the Sun. There is life on your Moon as well as on some other moons belonging to other planets.
"Saturn is the Seat of Justice . . . "As ye sow, so shall ye reap." Saturn was your ancient god of Seed-Sowing, and believed to be a king during an ancient Golden Age. Yes, the literal rule of Saturn was enjoyed on Earth during the period of your Golden Age. It was distinguished for peacefulness, happiness, and contentment. The Saturnian Age is mentioned in all Earth history. Saturn was the "sower of seeds" because it was he who gave authority to The Wanderers so that they might go into physical life on the Earth. Saturn has been called by your people, 'The Rising Sun of a New Dispensation', and this is true for he represents form and discipline which, when met and profited by, bring sure and permanent rewards. Remember what your Holy Book tells you: "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." (Galatians 6:7).
"Long ago, it came to our attention that our Solar System, of which you are a vital part, was quickly moving into another realm of our Father's Creation. We are now a part of the first stages of the fourth density. Beings of this density are now with us and among us. They do not need mechanical contrivances as we of the third density need them. We of the other planets in this System are more advanced than your world, Saros. But we say this in all humility, not wishing to boast. For we are, in a sense, still very crude. Again it is written in your Good Book: "I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit." (Ecclesiastes 1:14). We are not perfect!
"As your 'big eyes' peer into space you see us because we are in your density, but there are degrees of advancement and we are ahead of you in that degree. We are now contacting our Saros brothers by means of radiotelegraphy, telepathy, and direct physical manifestations. Our brothers of the fourth density are now contacting Saros brothers almost entirely by telepathy and by projection. Do not think for a moment that the so-called 'Saucers' and related phenomena are just from this or that planet; they come from many, many worlds, systems and galaxies. And they are of different development, yet they are all part of the Creator's plan for Saros. The Interplanetary Confederation now operating around your planet contains fifty-one solar systems which includes several hundred planets (six-hundred and eight according to Van Tassel) controlling some three and a half million spacecraft.
"For centuries and centuries we have watched your ruinous wars, and hoped that someday you would gain the understanding needed to gain your freedom from bondage of your own making. Our hopes have not been realized; instead, our worst fears have been realized. Not fear as you think of it, but only the knowledge of past events. The time has come for Saros to prepare herself for the Groom--she must put off the old, the shabby, and array herself in finery for the Wedding Feast shortly to take place in the fourth density realm. We, as your nearest Neighbors in space, are trying to prepare you adequately for this meeting.
"Our authority is from the Saturn Tribunal headed by Kadar Lacu. This Tribunal and its Kadar acts in the Creator's Light and Love. None of us are perfect as I have said, or we would not be here. There is much we all have to learn. There are worlds millions and even trillions of years 'ahead' of us, and there are many worlds thousands of years 'behind' us. We must not, therefore, be worshipped as gods. It is truly written: "And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded." (Deuteronomy 17:3). "And they shall spread them before the sun, and the moon, and all the host of heaven, whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought, and whom they have worshipped. (Jeremiah 8:2). We are the Host of Heaven, and we must not be worshipped as ancient men have bowed to sun, moon and stars!
"We are here among you. Some of us have always been here, with you, yet apart from you. We have watched you closely and occasionally we guided you whenever the opportunity arose. Our numbers have now been increased tremendously in preparation for another step in the development of your world Saros. You are not aware of this step completely, although it has been hinted at frequently in the accounts of your prophets. We contacted these prophets of yours in time past; but many of them did not know our true nature, therefore they could not always translate clearly the concepts implanted in their minds. Sometimes they were extremely cautious, and to insure the preservation of the information they wished to place upon record in the world, they spoke in metaphors and symbols.
"We have been confused many times with the gods of world-religions. However, we are your fellow creatures as I said before. You will find records of our presence in the mysterious symbols of ancient Egypt, where we made ourselves known in order to accomplish certain ends. One of our principal symbols appears in the religious art of your present civilization and occupies a position of importance upon the great seal of the United States. It has been preserved in certain secret societies founded originally to keep alive the knowledge of our existence and our intentions toward mankind. Another of our symbols is the Circle-Cross and the Swastika. The symbol known to you as the 'Tree of Life' is well-known to us and is important.
"We have left you outstanding landmarks. These were carefully placed in various parts of Saros, but most prominently in Egypt where we established a headquarters at one time. At that time, the foundations of your present civilization were 'laid in the earth' and the most ancient of your known landmarks established by means that would appear as miraculous to you now as they did to the pre-Egyptians, so many thousands of years ago. Since that time the whole art of building in stone has become symbolic, to many of you, of the work in hand--the building of the human race toward its perfection.
"Many of your ancestors knew us in those days as preceptors and as friends. Indeed, many of you knew us then, also. Now, though your own efforts, you have almost reached, in your majority, a new step on the long ladder of liberation. You have constantly been aided by our watchful inspiration, and hindered only by the difficulties natural to your processes of physical and moral development.
"You have lately achieved the means of destroying yourselves. Do not be hasty in your self-congratulation for yours is not the first civilization to have achieved and used such means. The 'lost world' known to you as the Asteroid Belt is spoken of in your records as 'Lucifer, the Shining One'. We called this planet 'Maldek, The Tongue'. We did not interfere when the men of that world experimented with certain and quick disaster. Each man, and hence each world, must learn the lesson and make its own progression. Universal Law prevented us from interfering. When this world was shattered, it caused terrible catastrophe on other worlds, as well as on Saros. You have not recovered to this day.
"We are now interfering more than we should, but we will not stand by and see another waste of creation in our System. There isn't time for another waste. Now that the Great Cycle is ending and we are all entering a new plane, all must be purified. That which is beyond hope will eliminate itself. We say 'eliminate itself' for we will destroy nothing. Those on Saros who believe the Creator punishes or destroys anything are in darkness. You are punished by your own deeds, as your world is now punishing itself for its crimes against Universal Law.
"Yours will not be the first world to be offered the means of preventing that destruction and proceeding in the full glory of its accumulated knowledge, to establish an era of enlightenment on Saros. However, if you do accept the means offered you, and if you do establish such a 'millennium' upon the basis of your present accomplishments, yours will be the first civilization to do so.
Return To The Golden Age Of Man: A Journey Thru The Corridors Of Time By Jerry Issa
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