So I took some time away from actual conspiracy theory forums, and have been trying out some new scenes..
But as you can imagine, all my opinions are still of a Deep Political nature, I'm naturally skeptical of everything the government/s tell me.
The amount of people I have giving me grief, straw man constantly.
I bring up Political Peadophillia, they bring up Reptilians and Aliens.
I'm finding it so frustrating.
I say that I think ISIS is a psy-op, they call me crack pot.
I'm also on a malfunctioning device, unable to edit this into my last post..
Was just wondering if you have similiar experience's and/or advice for navigating this sort of territory.
Oh, and I know I've been a sucky member over here recently, I'm sorry, but I've been having a sucky year... and my focus is mainly political pedophillia these days.
Pretty hard to give advice on people...usually a one on one basis. I always tell them to go check it out for themselves and not to take my word for it. Some people are just too lazy or it is just too uncomfortable or boring or whatever. I usually don't talk about sensitive topics with people I haven't deemed capable of handling it as a rule of thumb unless I am asked something specifically. Always keep in mind...it is always easier to just stay in the MATRIX.
It may depend upon what your intentions are...
Do you want to inform many of your friends and closer associates or tell the world !... maybe like another type of Alex Jones approach...but based on your own opinions.
I think after we have been thru a certain amount of research and gained certain knowledge in such subjects ...how we deal with it may also be an issue.
some can take it in their stride and not be effected, others maybe very fearful of what they have come across..
We also see things in differing ways at various times..
In you for eg, you are young....many persons twice your age may not even be aware of much of what you now know.
I am not sure if I think id like to have known what I know now at your age..as I do think some of it is very disturbing..
As we go along our views can change..
Somethings I still cannot conclude as to what is right or wrong..
I can see more that one side maybe depending upon ones situation or view point..
But this I suppose is part of our learning process.
Some things we know or seem wrong and evil..but many of us fear so many situations.. Sometimes we see what seems justice done, but later something goes wrong..and we see innocent persons seem to become victims ...
Is sometimes Karma responsible..maybe that person who seemed innocent had issues in their past..we never always know the whole story.
I was watching "Judge Judy" the other day and she was weighing up a case between two people..(It may have been something to do with someone buying a car and having issues with past car payments)...She came to a conclusion over the case and she said to the person who lost the case who was complaining about the outcome, something like to suggest that somethings he had done in his past..may have come back on him..and it maybe karma that's come back to hit you..
Now I thought she was well and truly wrong to even suggest that to someone without having any evidence to suggest it..No matter what the persons situation with regards to that case had been..
She was referring to something nothing to do with the case..and in my opinion imbarrassing him and making him look even worse..
she is a so called "Judge" who makes out to be almost perfect in her expectations on behavior at times. and thinks other people should be able to match her ideals...BUT there are so many people who do not have the good upbringing to the standards she often refers to...But on many occasion she seems to judge cases on her own opinions at times..and not purely by the true facts. IMO..
Otherwise if talking to people in general..I would have a similar view to Ellirium113..only to discuss such things when its brought up in a conversation with persons whom I thought I could or who I considered maybe able to handle it.
I have tried talking about somethings with my older brother and he most times says that's only a conspiracy that your referring to..
He rarely wants to discuss about such things..
He has quite a good life like many people and seems to use his time effectively doing a series of things...so he does not have time to consider such things especially on the sort of scale we are aware of..and a large majority of people who are happy in their lives will not want to consider depressing things...They see it as ,Live is too short..and what can we do about it anyway..
In someways that maybe the best approach..as what we don't know sometimes is for the better...but also at times no doubt we could be badly effected for not being aware..
Its only when the S.H.T.F... that they may take any notice...
Somethings I came across I would say at some point have had quite negative impacts on me...and been depressing..
Sometimes I just wish I was a kid again and totally unaware of many a thing...and could live life without the fear..
so whats the right or best solution one may wonder !
I am still not sure..
We can all try to decide certain things that we may want to do in life..create a series of things to or aim to do .and maybe part of that (a set %) should be to try to learn about certain things and inform others about it...
Certain things in Life seem to overall follow set things...and most people approach life those ways..some we are forced to do..others we have choices.
Between the ages of 1 and 16/25 seem to be about growing up and learning the basics of Life and study towards a job or career.
Then between 18 to 35...some will look to have relationships and a large % will get married and to have obtained a house. then have children or that's how it was say 50 to 20 years ago..
In recent years many an adult still live with their parents..in their 30s or older due to the economic and job security situation.
I really believe that the GOVT have created this to destroy families or reduce populations..Many will not have children..
35 maybe is the peak for some people in their strength , health...
if you have had children or not....
Then some will hit a mid life crisis...Most used to be between 40 to 50 yrs old...
Those who did not have children will be wondering why ?
Those who did maybe wondering about all the sacrifice..and missed opportunities.
If your parents are still living... Some may then have their parents have health issues.... This can take some years..
before one knows it they are in their mid 50s...
Then you start to wonder about ones remaining years..to retirement..
before you know it.. you may start to get health issues in the mid 50s to 65...
If you make retirement at 65... Its been said many people don't live more than 5 to 10 years..
many who live into their 70s will start to have health issues..
If this is a LIFE plan overall... before we know it.. many things pass by and will NEVER happen again..
we get caught up in so many things..
Is there a better way or solution...
YES I think there is..but most do not find it..
they are so caught up in the system...or they just do not have what it takes.. or are not born with it..OR Not educated to it..
MOst spend time working and obtaining a 25 year or more morgage..
SOME will look to try to find ways to make money..or a business and try to escape the system..but for most they just create another job for themselves..
A few find ways to the ideal lifestyle..escape the system and enjoy life to the full..but overall only a few achieve this..
Many more try to obtain this, but waste their lives trying and searching for the solution...
A large % just cannot escape the system...
and maybe the systems is the only way for a large % to live in our present society.
QuoteWas just wondering if you have similiar experience's and/or advice for navigating this sort of territory.
Quote from: Sinny on March 28, 2016, 10:30:45 PM
So I took some time away from actual conspiracy theory forums, and have been trying out some new scenes..
But as you can imagine, all my opinions are still of a Deep Political nature, I'm naturally skeptical of everything the government/s tell me.
The amount of people I have giving me grief, straw man constantly.
I bring up Political Peadophillia, they bring up Reptilians and Aliens.
I'm finding it so frustrating.
I say that I think ISIS is a psy-op, they call me crack pot.
QuoteI bring up Political Peadophillia, they bring up Reptilians and Aliens.
have you tried being more accommodating? if they want aliens, highlight the recent acceleration of horse and sheep mutilation that being passed off as rustlers , insurance frauds and Satanists ..
or point them to one of Mr Halls video's :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5BdplSagUE
funbox
I think part of the problem is that the people that get known by the common citizen as conspiracy theorists are the extreme cases, and many people that are "conspiracy minded" act like they are better than the "common citizen" (they usually like to say things like they are more "aware" or that the others are "sheep" or "sleeping"), so those "common citizens", instead of thinking about the conspiracy theories think more about the conspiracy theorists.
My suggestions (based on my general impressions and not specifically based in you, as I don't know you enough for that): avoid acting as a "know it all", sure about things that cannot be proved. Instead, try to make other people think for themselves, don't tell them the whole theory, show them real, undeniable facts and ask them why they think things are like that.
About your example of Political Paedophilia: if they answer with Aliens and reptilians, ask them why they think of that when you are talking about a different topic, what made them do that association and why they did it? Could it be that's just a way of making people avoid thinking about the subject and point them to things that are easier to disprove?
Make them think, they may like it. :)
Quote from: Sinny on March 28, 2016, 10:32:53 PM
I'm also on a malfunctioning device, unable to edit this into my last post..
Was just wondering if you have similiar experience's and/or advice for navigating this sort of territory.
Oh, and I know I've been a sucky member over here recently, I'm sorry, but I've been having a sucky year... and my focus is mainly political pedophillia these days.
It seems some subjects make people so uncomfortable that they will not look at all. They won't stop a moment and really look at the evidence. They will on the other hand deride anyone bringing discomfort into their vision.
I feel that it is wonderful that there are still people who will take the load on their shoulders and try to make these uncomfortable but desperately important things known instead of leaving them in the dark to grow in secret.
Quote from: astr0144 on March 29, 2016, 12:32:13 AM
It may depend upon what your intentions are...
Do you want to inform many of your friends and closer associates or tell the world !...
Well, I sorta wanna tell the world..
But I've seen mega crazy conspiracy people running wild over other forums, you know when they are trapped in that "OMG, everything we have ever been told is a lie, If only I could tell everyone so something can be done" types.. But many of them are the types to be falling for all the psy-ops too. Causing more damage than good when they run around telling everyone Ashtar Command is coming down to evacuate us. ::) The types of people that give us types of the people the bad name.
Luckily, pretty much everybody who knows me in real life take's my opinions seriously.
The people are 'awakening' slowly but surely.. But this is because of the political climate.. Not for all my screaming and shouting off the roof tops.
Quotemaybe like another type of Alex Jones approach...but based on your own opinions.
You know, I actually do have a very similar personality type to Alex Jones. However, being armed with that information give's me a chance to avoid the pit falls haha.
QuoteI think after we have been thru a certain amount of research and gained certain knowledge in such subjects ...how we deal with it may also be an issue.
Yea, and admittedly I lack the literary skills to do my own opinions the justice they deserve.
Quotesome can take it in their stride and not be effected, others maybe very fearful of what they have come across..
I have been finding that with the political pedo info. I stick to facts, but everyone else looses their minds.
QuoteWe also see things in differing ways at various times..
Yup, quite a few people seem to think that many of today's problems are caused by government and agency
incompetance, they won't have any of my reasoning to the contrary - that some of these agencies have been
very competent in some ways (and not in others).
QuoteIn you for eg, you are young....many persons twice your age may not even be aware of much of what you now know.
I am not sure if I think id like to have known what I know now at your age..as I do think some of it is very disturbing..
Yea could be.. I'm never anonymous online. Everyone knows who and what I am, age included. I love studying deep politics of the last century, and I often find my self more clued up in that regard than some of those who have even lived through the periods which I have researched. Spose that might taste sour to some.
QuoteAs we go along our views can change..
Tell me about it, just recently in the last few days I've stumbled upon some stuff which is making me question everything I thought I knew - once more.
QuoteI was watching "Judge Judy" the other day and she was weighing up a case between two people..(It may have been something to do with someone buying a car and having issues with past car payments)...She came to a conclusion over the case and she said to the person who lost the case who was complaining about the outcome, something like to suggest that somethings he had done in his past..may have come back on him..and it maybe karma that's come back to hit you..
Now I thought she was well and truly wrong to even suggest that to someone without having any evidence to suggest it..No matter what the persons situation with regards to that case had been..
She was referring to something nothing to do with the case..and in my opinion imbarrassing him and making him look even worse..
she is a so called "Judge" who makes out to be almost perfect in her expectations on behavior at times. and thinks other people should be able to match her ideals...BUT there are so many people who do not have the good upbringing to the standards she often refers to...But on many occasion she seems to judge cases on her own opinions at times..and not purely by the true facts. IMO..
Yes! OMG, there are some thing I love about Judge Judy.. but being a condescending b*tch isn't one of them. lol
QuoteOtherwise if talking to people in general..I would have a similar view to Ellirium113..only to discuss such things when its brought up in a conversation with persons whom I thought I could or who I considered maybe able to handle it.
I was using that game plan at some point.. I still do to an extent.. I usually stick to whats obvious, and then just
allude to my deeper opinions to entice those who might want to know..
QuoteI have tried talking about somethings with my older brother and he most times says that's only a conspiracy that your referring to..
He rarely wants to discuss about such things..
Yup. I'm particularly frustrated because the people who I am referring to pride them selves in intelligence, open mindedness and skepticism... and yet I still find them lacking on all fronts.
QuoteSometimes I just wish I was a kid again and totally unaware of many a thing...and could live life without the fear..
Ignorance is bliss...
Quotethey are so caught up in the system...or they just do not have what it takes.. or are not born with it..OR Not educated to it..
Hear, hear.
QuoteMOst spend time working and obtaining a 25 year or more mortgage..
Ha! I suppose all my head starts include the UFO's which I've seen, and the fact that I'm young, free & single... and I know better than to play into the mortgage game. The rat races. I don't need to own a home, what I need to do is make sure any kids I do have in future won't be raped & killed by our global leaders.
Thanks for those words Astro, I enjoyed your post.
Thanks extended to all, El, Ar, Dy.
Quote from: funbox on March 29, 2016, 12:57:36 AM
have you tried being more accommodating?
funbox
That made me giggle.
Quote from: ArMaP on March 29, 2016, 08:48:46 PM
I think part of the problem is that the people that get known by the common citizen as conspiracy theorists are the extreme cases, and many people that are "conspiracy minded" act like they are better than the "common citizen" (they usually like to say things like they are more "aware" or that the others are "sheep" or "sleeping"), so those "common citizens", instead of thinking about the conspiracy theories think more about the conspiracy theorists.
THIS is one of the top reasons that the internet is such a mess. Using FB as an example you will see all the "enlightened" purveyors of truth screaming 'Wake up Sheeple" and then post some obvious crap or proven hoax as their 'truth" that we need waking up to. If you point out that it is crap and that a simple google search will verify that, you are now a shill working for the government and get unfriended :P
Most people posting their truth have only an opinion to share... but even when you share a known fact, like the Earth is a sphere, you will have 30 people scream at you that it is flat. Try to show a NASA photo that we know has been "enhanced" :P and you get called a shill and that it is all faked
Doesn't matter what the topic... no one is really listening to anyone else in the rush to shout their opinion over top of everyone else
The internet truly has become the new Tower of Babble and it is frustrating. So much so it really isn't worth debating anything anymore.
Sinny made a comment in the Syrian thread telling me why am I balming the victims yet that is exactly what the Arab scholars themselves are saying...
QuoteMy suggestions (based on my general impressions and not specifically based in you, as I don't know you enough for that): avoid acting as a "know it all", sure about things that cannot be proved. Instead, try to make other people think for themselves, don't tell them the whole theory, show them real, undeniable facts and ask them why they think things are like that.
That is a noble approach but it fails when people refuse to follow the links or do the research themselves which they rarely do :P it just gets more frustrating
QuoteAbout your example of Political Paedophilia: if they answer with Aliens and reptilians, ask them why they think of that when you are talking about a different topic, what made them do that association and why they did it? Could it be that's just a way of making people avoid thinking about the subject and point them to things that are easier to disprove?
No because most of them have fallen to believe that Reptilian Aliens are running our government... So any thing evil done by government politcians has to be Reptilian Aliens
QuoteMake them think, they may like it. :)
Most of them thinking would hurt their brain too much :P
Quote from: Sinny on March 29, 2016, 11:53:55 PM
That made me giggle.
giggling with a hand over the mouth Ms Bennet ? :D seriously though, like will Carling , maybe a humorous approach would have better stickability with your audiences .. although using my previous example might scare the living bejebus out of them, although you could swap the animals out of the storey's and replace them with those in the majikroundabout
(http://i.imgur.com/ZRdoXh7.jpg)
ermintrudeBox
QuoteIf you point out that it is crap and that a simple google search will verify that, you are now a shill (or worse): working for the government and get unfriended P
Quote
Doesn't matter what the topic... no one is really listening to anyone else
in the rush to shout their opinion over top of everyone else
The internet truly has become the new Tower of Babble and it is frustrating. So much so it really isn't worth debating anything anymore
got a nice new small greenhouse....easy to find truth there....goodluck Z
Quote from: zorgon on March 30, 2016, 08:02:30 AM
THIS is one of the top reasons that the internet is such a mess. Using FB as an example you will see all the "enlightened" purveyors of truth screaming 'Wake up Sheeple" and then post some obvious crap or proven hoax as their 'truth" that we need waking up to. If you point out that it is crap and that a simple google search will verify that, you are now a shill working for the government and get unfriended :P
Most people posting their truth have only an opinion to share... but even when you share a known fact, like the Earth is a sphere, you will have 30 people scream at you that it is flat. Try to show a NASA photo that we know has been "enhanced" :P and you get called a shill and that it is all faked
Doesn't matter what the topic... no one is really listening to anyone else in the rush to shout their opinion over top of everyone else
The internet truly has become the new Tower of Babble and it is frustrating. So much so it really isn't worth debating anything anymore.
That is a noble approach but it fails when people refuse to follow the links or do the research themselves which they rarely do :P it just gets more frustrating
No because most of them have fallen to believe that Reptilian Aliens are running our government... So any thing evil done by government politcians has to be Reptilian Aliens
Most of them thinking would hurt their brain too much :P
Isnt that the truth, the tool which looked promising has now been taken over and misused by those it was hoped would learn from it....the insane or apathetic, or lazy, or even mentally damaged will always seize the chance to be heard, hence we see them more vividly in our daily drag...leaving the critical thinker no way out but to retract and live within their own little reality, in hopes the ones who desire attention and unintelligent discourse babble on unheard for an eternity.
Conspiracy Theorist?
Try Conspiracy ACTIVIST, lose the armchair, or join the flow..some call it a matrix...otherwise, just go about life KNOWING, and use that knowledge to your own advantage.
How many world ending events have come..not happened..and gone?
So many, it shows that to be conspiracy minded is to almost accept a high percentage of failure, or incorrectness as these "events" never happen.
If one wishes to lock into that realm, so be it, no harm no foul here.
Of course if even one conspiracy turns out to be true, the person suggesting it will be refueled and refreshed for another 10 years....and the show goes on.
Remember, "this" is all preplanned, and everything is going to plan..ride the wave, or get swamped..your choice.
Cheers
Quote from: zorgon on March 30, 2016, 08:02:30 AM
Try to show a NASA photo that we know has been "enhanced" :P and you get called a shill and that it is all faked
There's not even the need for the image to be "enhanced", you just have to look at the posts on Pegasus...