for those with eyes to see..
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/cosmometry/resources/images/000/000/129/original/double-torus-atomic-whirlpools.jpg)
--- 4 GREAT FORCES ---
- ELECTRIC
- MAGNETIC
- ELECTROMAGNETIC
- RESONANT ELECTROMAGNETIC (AKA GRAVITY, VRIL, PRANA, ORGONE, CHI ETC)
---- GRAVITY ----
- GRAVITATIONAL FIELDS IN RESONANCE ATTRACT, IN DISCORD REPELL
- THERE IS AN OMNIDIRECTIONAL PRESSURE OF INFINITE AMPLITUDE IN EVERY POINT OF SPACE, THE "MOTION ABSOLUTE", SOURCE OF ALL SUBFORCES
- GRAVITY IS A PUSH-PULL PHENOMENA DUE TO POLARIZATION OF VACUUM (LIGHT) PRESSURE, LIKE A STANDING WAVE OR A BUBBLE IN VACUUM FLUID
- GRAVITY (Z-WAVE) HAS ALL 3 MAGNETIC FIELD COMPONENTS, ELECTRIC, MAGNETIC AND TIME FIELD, IMPOSED UPON EACH OTHER
- GRAVITY IS A 6-DIMENSIONAL RADIO WAVE
- EVERY GRAVITATIONAL FIELD HAS, OVER IT, SUPERIMPOSED IT'S NATURAL COUNTERPART EMERGING FROM ANTI-MATTER SIDE (CALLED NAVAZ IN POSEID)
- GRAVITY CREATES DISTORSION OF SECONDARY SPACE, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND
--- GRAVITY CONTROL METHODS ---
- SHIELD LOCAL GRAVITY WITH HIGHLY COMPRESSED CHARGE
- FEED AN OBJECT WITH IT'S RESONANT FREQUENCY TO ACCELERATE ALL THREE PHASES OF ENERGY SIMULTANEOUSLY UNTILL IT NO LONGER RESISTS LOCAL GRAVITY
- IMMITATE EARTH TO CREATE ARTIFICIAL GRAVITY, THAT IS, IN PRACTICE, MAKE A HIGH VOLTAGE CAPACITOR WITH COUNTER-ROTATING ELECTRODES
- ROTATE HIGHLY CONDENSED POSITIVE IONS AKA CATIONS AT GREAT RPM TO PRODUCE ARTIFICIAL GRAVITY
Hi Vrill,
I Think maybe what your referring to here may also relate to How a UFO may operate...
I know PRC have discussed such various topics and I cannot at the moment recite or recall the details and would need to search and reread to try to confirm...(That would take me some time ! as I do not have good enough memory)
I came across what MAY be something similar along the lines of what some of your posts may refer to..
It was a Video of someone who claimed to a recently TOP retired Mi6 member ( sort of Like "M" from James Bond but in ref to UFO / ET operations)
and he described UFOs as working along these lines..which basically uses two rotational magnetic fields which operate simultaneously in opposition to each other..
I thought this was quite a good description as to how they may work..
One main issue however is can we really believe that Mi6 would allow him to tell such secrets ! or to admit that is what he was involved in.. That's my main issue with him coming out with this !
He was making out as if he was spilling the info...when I would had thought those type of people would be sworn to secrecy ...
QuoteA Basic Flying Saucer forms a TOROID of electro magnetic energy
princibly in the magnetic range of the 1st function of its
operation.
They do not fly, they translate.
Here you have a particular electronic point or focus.
here below we have a Rotational Magetic field, below that we have a counter contradictory rotationary magnetic field.
the two counter rotate each other simultaniously when on operation.
3 emission transmitters on the bottom
along the sides of triangular craft you have ion emission ports, thought to be port holes but are not..there function is to emit mishongs and ions in a ionic form at a very high voltage to create a toroid of ionised gas. which is not technically a gas, its a plasma.
what does it do.. it can create above the craft, a reduced atmospheric pressure.. which is like a airofoil in which you get upward lift by virtue of air under the craft pushing up..(the shape/position of an aerofoil reduces the pressure acting above the wing). thus allowing the higher pressure acting from below it to lift it.
it is the same as putting something in water ,where a / the block of wood will float on water due to displacement
Quote from: vril-ya on April 07, 2016, 01:54:34 PM
for those with eyes to see..
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/cosmometry/resources/images/000/000/129/original/double-torus-atomic-whirlpools.jpg)
--- 4 GREAT FORCES ---
- ELECTRIC
- MAGNETIC
- ELECTROMAGNETIC
- RESONANT ELECTROMAGNETIC (AKA GRAVITY, VRIL, PRANA, ORGONE, CHI ETC)
---- GRAVITY ----
- GRAVITATIONAL FIELDS IN RESONANCE ATTRACT, IN DISCORD REPELL
- THERE IS AN OMNIDIRECTIONAL PRESSURE OF INFINITE AMPLITUDE IN EVERY POINT OF SPACE, THE "MOTION ABSOLUTE", SOURCE OF ALL SUBFORCES
- GRAVITY IS A PUSH-PULL PHENOMENA DUE TO POLARIZATION OF VACUUM (LIGHT) PRESSURE, LIKE A STANDING WAVE OR A BUBBLE IN VACUUM FLUID
- GRAVITY (Z-WAVE) HAS ALL 3 MAGNETIC FIELD COMPONENTS, ELECTRIC, MAGNETIC AND TIME FIELD, IMPOSED UPON EACH OTHER
- GRAVITY IS A 6-DIMENSIONAL RADIO WAVE
- EVERY GRAVITATIONAL FIELD HAS, OVER IT, SUPERIMPOSED IT'S NATURAL COUNTERPART EMERGING FROM ANTI-MATTER SIDE (CALLED NAVAZ IN POSEID)
- GRAVITY CREATES DISTORSION OF SECONDARY SPACE, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND
--- GRAVITY CONTROL METHODS ---
- SHIELD LOCAL GRAVITY WITH HIGHLY COMPRESSED CHARGE
- FEED AN OBJECT WITH IT'S RESONANT FREQUENCY TO ACCELERATE ALL THREE PHASES OF ENERGY SIMULTANEOUSLY UNTILL IT NO LONGER RESISTS LOCAL GRAVITY
- IMMITATE EARTH TO CREATE ARTIFICIAL GRAVITY, THAT IS, IN PRACTICE, MAKE A HIGH VOLTAGE CAPACITOR WITH COUNTER-ROTATING ELECTRODES
- ROTATE HIGHLY CONDENSED POSITIVE IONS AKA CATIONS AT GREAT RPM TO PRODUCE ARTIFICIAL GRAVITY
there are many ways to produce negative weight in objects, to shield gravity localy and to produce artificial gravity field aka resonating em field. what you refer to is one of most common methods to produce artificial gravity used where you have two resonant, opposing and counter-rotating magnetic fields.
Quote from: astr0144 on April 07, 2016, 05:05:22 PM
Hi Vrill,
I Think maybe what your referring to here may also relate to How a UFO may operate...
I know PRC have discussed such various topics and I cannot at the moment recite or recall the details and would need to search and reread to try to confirm...(That would take me some time ! as I do not have good enough memory)
I came across what MAY be something similar along the lines of what some of your posts may refer to..
It was a Video of someone who claimed to a recently TOP retired Mi6 member ( sort of Like "M" from James Bond but in ref to UFO / ET operations)
and he described UFOs as working along these lines..which basically uses two rotational magnetic fields which operate simultaneously in opposition to each other..
I thought this was quite a good description as to how they may work..
One main issue however is can we really believe that Mi6 would allow him to tell such secrets ! or to admit that is what he was involved in.. That's my main issue with him coming out with this !
He was making out as if he was spilling the info...when I would had thought those type of people would be sworn to secrecy ...
Was that along the lines of what your prior post number 168 was relating to ? or was you referring to something else non UFO related ?
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9236.msg123317#msg123317
Quotethere are many ways to produce negative weight in objects, to shield gravity localy and to produce artificial gravity field aka resonating em field. what you refer to is one of most common methods to produce artificial gravity used where you have two resonant, opposing and counter-rotating magnetic fields.
of course it was.
Quote from: astr0144 on April 07, 2016, 06:06:41 PM
Was that along the lines of what your prior post number 168 was relating to ? or was you referring to something else non UFO related ?
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9236.msg123317#msg123317
there is also a purely mechanical way by the means of assymetrical rotation of mass. you know how strong centrifugal force easily becomes, imagine when ALL of it is focused upwards.
Thanks for confirming..
I was not sure if you may have been referring to other things other than UFO type A.G
Also your post seemed to go into more indepth detail...some that maybe I had not come across before !..
You suggest that what
I referred to was one of the most common methods..(maybe it should have been
WE)..but also suggest there maybe
Many other ways to produce A.G...
Quoteof course it was.
Quotethere are many ways to produce negative weight in objects, to shield gravity localy and to produce artificial gravity field aka resonating em field. what YOU refer to is one of most common methods to produce artificial gravity used where you have two resonant, opposing and counter-rotating magnetic fields.
I was just about to write this when I noted your other reply..
Is there other methods or one main method that you may think is better ? I wonder !
Quotethere is also a purely mechanical way by the means of assymetrical rotation of mass. you know how strong centrifugal force easily becomes, imagine when ALL of it is focused upwards.
there are many methods, but it all comes down to crossing / uniting of electrical and magnetic fields, forces which naturally oppose each other, to produce a quadropole gravity. so unification of the opposites (sexes) produces gravity (life force), to describe it in a more organic metaphor.
Quote from: astr0144 on April 07, 2016, 06:46:58 PM
Thanks for confirming..
I was not sure if you may have been referring to other things other than UFO type A.G
You suggest that what I referred to was one of the most common methods..(maybe it should have been WE)..but also suggest there maybe Many other ways to produce A.G...
I was just about to write this when I noted your other reply..
Is there other methods or one main method that you may think is better ? I wonder !
Is A.G a topic that maybe you have studied in some detail ?
I recall you as a member but I either cannot recall your main posts of interest or missed them prior to this thread. Sorry If Ive missed posts on this sort of topic..
a few of the things that you said in your post 168 I dont think that I had come across before !..
Im also curious if you have studied maybe on the mechanical /centrifugal type devices or principle that may allow or have effect on A.G ?
Quotethere are many methods, but it all comes down to crossing / uniting of electrical and magnetic fields, forces which naturally oppose each other, to produce a quadropole gravity. so unification of the opposites (sexes) produces gravity (life force), to describe it in a more organic metaphor.
yes, i studied gravity and anti-gravity in depth. for centrifugal propulsion, i am just making one, hope soon to be finished.
Quote from: astr0144 on April 07, 2016, 07:14:38 PM
Is A.G a topic that maybe you have studied in some detail ?
I recall you as a member but I either cannot recall your main posts of interest or missed them prior to this thread. Sorry If Ive missed posts on this sort of topic..
a few of the things that you said in your post 168 I dont think that I had come across before !..
Im also curious if you have studied maybe on the mechanical /centrifugal type devices or principle that may allow or have effect on A.G ?
Seems very interesting..
I will have to see if you have posted more on the topic and check it out.
Did you ever take a look at Matrix Travellers threads when he started writing about making a UFO ? He referred to Like a type of centrifugal water wheel type device that revolved at huge Revs per Minute ? (RPM)
Unfortunately he stopped posting and never completed the project.. after another member queried some of the things that he had wrote...who didn't seem to think it would work the way he made out..
I always wanted some other more of an experts views on it ..as to what they thought of his theories..
Quoteyes, i studied gravity and anti-gravity in depth. for centrifugal propulsion, i am just making one, hope soon to be finished.
i did few years ago, but what i post now is more precise. centrifugal water device may be liquid gravity engine drone. they tried to get funded but no one supported them. it's ok, but could be more powerful.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/antigravity-drone-lge-first-in-the-world#/
Quote from: astr0144 on April 07, 2016, 07:50:34 PM
Seems very interesting..
I will have to see if you have posted more on the topic and check it out.
Did you ever take a look at Matrix Travellers threads when he started writing about making a UFO ? He referred to Like a type of centrifugal water wheel type device that revolved at huge Revs per Minute ? (RPM)
Unfortunately he stopped posting and never completed the project.. after another member queried some of the things that he had wrote...who didn't seem to think it would work the way he made out..
I always wanted some other more of an experts views on it ..as to what they thought of his theories..
That link you posted for the Liquid Gravity Engine looks interesting, I will have to look at that in more detail when I can.
I am not sure if you may have posted a fair amount on A.G / or on how UFOs may work...as I think you have come and gone a few times since you joined and have only made about 200 posts since joining in 2014 from what I can see..
With ref to Matrix Traveller, it maybe you cannot see his thread..as it maybe only available to certain members.
As I understood it Matrix was referring to how a much Larger type Craft would work..maybe 50 to 300 foot diameter or more .that made some operations something like 200,000 rpm or more..
below is part of ref to some parts one of his related threads that he posted..
I wonder if you may have posted anything about, or what you thoughts were on Bob Lazar and the design and operation of the Sports model Flying disc he described..
QuoteWhat I am about to show you as far as I am aware, can't be found in textbooks on Earth...
As always I seek to provide proof were I can, which is NOT always easy to find. :)
Sometimes I can find hints hidden amongst our own information on earth.
The area I am about to show as I said involves the Dynamic fields of Rotating Mass at High rpm.
This is a fascinating area of technology and has largely been overlooked on Earth or simply
Not understood correctly.
1st we need to understand a little more about "magnetic fields".
Contrary to the belief of many, there is Nothing at all flowing within a steady magnetic field !
The Same is also the case with Light !
That's Right, there is NO such thing as the Velocity of Light, no matter How many Scientists on Earth
believe otherwise... :)
So lets see WHAT is happening in RF Transmission as RF is said to exist in the lower regions
of the so called "Electromagnetic Spectrum".
Some have tried to liken RF to that taking place within water, where water is the "Transfer media".
And the dropping of an object into that water, generating Waves.
Here is a drawing showing that simple "Wave theory" in water ...
QuoteNow as I said earlier, there is a Connection between "Magnetic fields" and Mechanically generated
"Dynamic fields", in that both are "Dynamic fields" and this is WHY Electronics can't be used
in these transport Systems.
In the past while playing with very high velocity revolving mass, I had confirmed some interesting Phenomena.
While rotating an output shaft coupling above 200,000 rpm, it parted company, and fell toward
the ground.
QuoteThe next Post I am trying to prepare while I continue with my daily work, involves more
about "Dynamics" and some points of interest NOT published.
The Dynamics involving mass under very high rpm, has interesting influences on other things,
both Outside and Inside such a Dynamic field.
I know this goes against what is understood at present by most on earth, but I want to draw your attention
to a few things that may inspire some to consider or rethink about a few things taken to be fact today,
but are in fact NOT entirely true.
Note; The NASA has played around with High speed pumps and electric and pneumatic motors.
In fact in excess of 1,000,000 rpm slightly higher rpm than what we are talking about. :)
Quotei did few years ago, but what i post now is more precise. centrifugal water device may be liquid gravity engine drone. they tried to get funded but no one supported them. it's ok, but could be more powerful.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/antigravity-drone-lge-first-in-the-world#/
there is no need to speak much, principles are as noted. i would not comment on lazar, out of hundreds of contact cases i studied never i heard of such propulsion system. matter-antimatter conversion is used for power generation but for propulsion it is not needed, all you need is electrostatic and magnetic fields.
Quote from: astr0144 on April 07, 2016, 08:31:15 PM
That link you posted for the Liquid Gravity Engine looks interesting, I will have to look at that in more detail when I can.
I am not sure if you may have posted a fair amount on A.G / or on how UFOs may work...as I think you have come and gone a few times since you joined and have only made about 200 posts since joining in 2014 from what I can see..
With ref to Matrix Traveller, it maybe you cannot see his thread..as it maybe only available to certain members.
As I understood it Matrix was referring to how a much Larger type Craft would work..maybe 50 to 300 foot diameter or more .that made some operations something like 200,000 rpm or more..
below is part of ref to some parts one of his related threads that he posted..
I wonder if you may have posted anything about, or what you thoughts were on Bob Lazar and the design and operation of the Sports model Flying disc he described..
I am not sure if there is any 100% proof that there is such a Craft that can use A.G to lift off from earth and go into Space...
We see or read about many types of Flying crafts..Many we assume are Manmade....Some maybe E.T if they do exist within our Solar System.
Would not any larger type craft need some sort of powerful Power generation.. to at least operate the electro magnetism effect ?
Not sure with Lazar's suggestions as to exactly what the E115 effect may have the craft once outside the Earths gravity effects if say then reaching Speed of light or beyond..or travelling very larger distances..
Is it a case that the more Power generation a Craft has the better it may travel in varying conditions..?
Quotethere is no need to speak much, principles are as noted. i would not comment on lazar, out of hundreds of contact cases i studied never i heard of such propulsion system. matter-antimatter conversion is used for power generation but for propulsion it is not needed, all you need is electrostatic and magnetic fields.
it's underground etc,,brotherhoods use it since fall of atlantis..also many races underground et and not et, also in higher plane inside earth, so here but in next dimension. all of them use it. then private and government secret development, they use it. also god known how many private inventors using it, weather gravitational or inertial, they go around unnoticed. the latter goes back to late 19th century, when many inventors discovered they can make things weightless with voltage and frequency, which led to development of airships which are actually spaceships. there is too much to even imagine. focus on fundamental principles. electricity is everything.
Quote from: astr0144 on April 07, 2016, 09:06:46 PM
I am not sure if there is any 100% proof that there is such a Craft that can use A.G to lift off from earth and go into Space...
We see or read about many types of Flying crafts..Many we assume are Manmade....Some maybe E.T if they do exist within our Solar System.
Would not any larger type craft need some sort of powerful Power generation.. to at least operate the electro magnetism effect ?
Not sure with Lazar's suggestions as to exactly what the E115 effect may have the craft once outside the Earths gravity effects if say then reaching Speed of light or beyond..or travelling very larger distances..
Is it a case that the more Power generation a Craft has the better it may travel in varying conditions..?
for power generation, it is simple, permanent magnets are infinite source of power.
So are you suggesting that there is no need of any AC or DC power to effect or create any magnetism...like electo magnets..
That just natural type magnets are sufficient !
I am not sure how natural magnets can vary in their magnetism strength effect.... we often may think the larger a magnet the more powerful it is...But that is not always the case I don't think..
so How does one obtain the right type of natural permanent magnet with the right / relevant magnetic effects required I wonder ?
Are they made / created somehow rather than just natural magnetic materials...
Quote from: vril-ya on April 07, 2016, 09:24:06 PM
for power generation, it is simple, permanent magnets are infinite source of power.
I sort of agree that various manmade craft are like spaceships in their flight principles... except the ones you refer to do not go out of the earths atmosphere..
Yes it does seem Electricity of one sort or another accounts for some of the effects on craft..
Im not sure how ever if Matrix Traveller had suggested that the Craft he refers to did not reply on electronics...(not sure if the included electricity)
Quoteit's underground etc,,brotherhoods use it since fall of atlantis..also many races underground et and not et, also in higher plane inside earth, so here but in next dimension. all of them use it. then private and government secret development, they use it. also god known how many private inventors using it, weather gravitational or inertial, they go around unnoticed. the latter goes back to late 19th century, when many inventors discovered they can make things weightless with voltage and frequency, which led to development of airships which are actually spaceships. there is too much to even imagine. focus on fundamental principles. electricity is everything.
permanent magnets i meant for a generator, but you could also use it for gravity control as in searl craft or if you made magnets to wobble like david hamel did.
i am also making a magnetic generator based on thomas engel method. i use 8cm ring ferrite magnets. not finished yet, but it has been replicated and it works. here is my own explanation of the principle:
"you take an even number of permanent magnets, best is 4 strong ones and fix them on a rotor in alternating fashion. axial or radial flux, doesn't matter. then you take the same magnet, or pair of them, and mount them on a smaller shaft so that the "mirror" magnets face the rotor magnets. as you rotate this "mirror", rotor will rotate in synch with the "mirror". input energy used to rotate the "mirror" will be amplified at the bigger shaft by the factor of thousands. in other words, very small motor is enough to keep the "mirror" rotating, consuming let's say 1 watt of power and producing, at the bigger shaft, power of kilowatts, depending on the strenght of magnets and rpm."
and here are two videos showing working motors, one axial, other radial..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTv5iFKlL4E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtaRKd9rmj0
so, once again, you need a small small motor, using, say, 1 watt to produce kilowatts on the bigger shaft. simple and beautiful unlimited source of electricity.
Quote from: astr0144 on April 07, 2016, 09:37:20 PM
So are you suggesting that there is no need of any AC or DC power to effect or create any magnetism...like electo magnets..
That just natural type magnets are sufficient !
I am not sure how natural magnets can vary in their magnetism strength effect.... we often may think the larger a magnet the more powerful it is...But that is not always the case I don't think..
so How does one obtain the right type of natural permanent magnet with the right / relevant magnetic effects required I wonder ?
Are they made / created somehow rather than just natural magnetic materials...
I sort of agree that various manmade craft are like spaceships in their flight principles... except the ones you refer to do not go out of the earths atmosphere..
Yes it does seem Electricity of one sort or another accounts for some of the effects on craft..
Im not sure how ever if Matrix Traveller had suggested that the Craft he refers to did not reply on electronics...(not sure if the included electricity)
these, 28 of them i bought for less then 100€ https://www.supermagnete.de/eng/ring-magnets-ferrite/ring-magnet-80mm-x-40mm-x-15mm-ferrite-y35-no-coating_FE-R-80-40-15
(https://media2.supermagnete.de/photos/596x596/6421.jpg)
I will try to look into some of this if I can find the time and am in the right frame of mind..Will need a bit of careful thought and study !
So do you think that you can create a magnetic generator that will give you free electricity on the scale that you need for your house usage ..
That will be very good if you can...I wonder if other PRC members have also done this ?
If you achieve it..Would you consider making some more for those willing to pay ...If so I wonder if you have an idea of what you would you charge ..! :)
You may have some potential customers !
Quote from: vril-ya on April 07, 2016, 10:39:48 PM
these, 28 of them i bought for less then 100€ https://www.supermagnete.de/eng/ring-magnets-ferrite/ring-magnet-80mm-x-40mm-x-15mm-ferrite-y35-no-coating_FE-R-80-40-15
(https://media2.supermagnete.de/photos/596x596/6421.jpg)
I was wondering if there maybe a way to rotate or fast spin opposing magnets in someway..(Not sure if that maybe like creating effects of wobble) if that may create some other stronger effects..
I will try to watch the videos later. or when i can concentrate on them..
On a Quick look at video one....I can see what I think you refer to about the rotating or spinning device with magnets operating another device..
Thought provoking !
Quotepermanent magnets i meant for a generator, but you could also use it for gravity control as in searl craft or if you made magnets to wobble like david hamel did.
i am also making a magnetic generator based on thomas engel method. i use 8cm ring ferrite magnets. not finished yet, but it has been replicated and it works. here is my own explanation of the principle:
"you take an even number of permanent magnets, best is 4 strong ones and fix them on a rotor in alternating fashion. axial or radial flux, doesn't matter. then you take the same magnet, or pair of them, and mount them on a smaller shaft so that the "mirror" magnets face the rotor magnets. as you rotate this "mirror", rotor will rotate in synch with the "mirror". input energy used to rotate the "mirror" will be amplified at the bigger shaft by the factor of thousands. in other words, very small motor is enough to keep the "mirror" rotating, consuming let's say 1 watt of power and producing, at the bigger shaft, power of kilowatts, depending on the strenght of magnets and rpm."
and here are two videos showing working motors, one axial, other radial..
where do you live?
Quote from: astr0144 on April 07, 2016, 10:53:58 PM
I will try to look into some of this if I can find the time and am in the right frame of mind..
So do you think that you can create a magnetic generator that will give you free electricity on the scale that you need for your house usage ..
That will be very good if you can...I wonder if other PRC members have also done this ?
If you achieve it..Would you consider making some more for those willing to pay ...If so I wonder if you have an idea of what you would you charge ..! :)
You may have some potential customers !
well, i live in croatia. i already have a potential customer for the first one.
this thing will weigh 10-15kg when finished..i don't know if it would be
practical to send it to uk.
also it will be only a motor, you will still need to buy a generator to attach
to it. i don't know about the output, hope for 3-5kw range.
Quote from: astr0144 on April 07, 2016, 11:04:36 PM
In the UK..
I am not sure about how our Electricity may compare.. ie UK V Croatia in terms of power supply AC mains voltage etc and how that would effect your designs or if some adaptor could be applied if need be..
I am sure that there could be ways to package and post..but Customs (probably if detected ) maybe an issue..
So is this like a smaller power motor that attaches to a Generator but rotates the Generator via a very small power (Watts) supply..but will run a Generator that can magnify that power numerous times.. and its based upon those magnetic principles as shown in the videos ?
Quote from: vril-ya on April 07, 2016, 11:06:56 PM
well, i live in croatia. i already have a potential customer for the first one.
this thing will weigh 10-15kg when finished..i don't know if it would be
practical to send it to uk.
also it will be only a motor, you will still need to buy a generator to attach
to it. i don't know about the output, hope for 3-5kw range.
in uk electricity is the same as here, 230 V, 50 Hz, but that doesn't even matter as motor can run any generator as long as it operates on circa 1500 rpm.
it will be a motor based on same principle from the videos, axial flux.
it will be a relativelly small box, i assume 30x30x30cm.
the small motor will be run from a 12v battery. there is a number of
technical challenges to solve here, nothing too hard, but needs time
and money to pay a turner to make all the parts..we'll see.
Quote from: astr0144 on April 07, 2016, 11:17:47 PM
I am not sure about how our Electricity may compare.. ie UK V Croatia in terms of power supply AC mains voltage etc and how that would effect your designs or if some adaptor could be applied if need be..
I am sure that there could be ways to package and post..but Customs (probably if detected ) maybe an issue..
So is this like a smaller power motor that attaches to a Generator but rotates the Generator via a very small power (Watts) supply..but will run a Generator that can magnify that power numerous times.. and its based upon those magnetic principles as shown in the videos ?
So is the device you are creating classed as the SMALL Motor ?
Is the set up requirements , just a small motor and a generator ? or is there also another larger motor involved..
If its just the Small Motor.. so that runs on DC 12 Volt Battery power supply and not low mains AC Power...
If it can operate on just DC 12 V power and allow a generator to work from it that also can excel the power that will be quite amazing ! but would it give one the same power equivalent as what ones AC mains Power presently gives.. or will it just allow you to use much less electricity overall..or maybe allow you to only use say 50% or a set % of it ?
Quoteit will be a motor based on same principle from the videos, axial flux.
it will be a relativelly small box, i assume 30x30x30cm.
the small motor will be run from a 12v battery. there is a number of
technical challenges to solve here, nothing too hard, but needs time
no, you misunderstood. look at the videos, when i say "small motor" i refer to small motor that turns the "mirror" magnet which in turn turns the big wheel. it will be powerful.
Quote from: astr0144 on April 07, 2016, 11:40:38 PM
So is the device you are creating classed as the SMALL Motor ?
Is the set up requirements , just a small motor and a generator ? or is there also another larger motor involved..
If its just the Small Motor.. so that runs on DC 12 Volt Battery power supply and not low mains AC Power...
If it can operate on just DC 12 V power and allow a generator to work from it that also can excel the power that will be quite amazing ! but would it give one the same power equivalent as what ones AC mains Power presently gives.. or will it just allow you to use much less electricity overall..or maybe allow you to only use say 50% or a set % of it ?
So there is a small motor (that can operate on DC) that helps rotate larger wheel...and once that larger wheel rotates... the magnetic effects can take place...to operate that via the magnets ..and this is what one would need to connect to ones generator ?
Its the Larger wheel that you are creating ? what is classed as the " Mirror magnet device !
Quoteno, you misunderstood. look at the videos, when i say "small motor" i refer to small motor that turns the "mirror" magnet which in turn turns the big wheel. it will be powerful.
small dc motor turns the mirror magnet, as the mirror magnet turns it attracts and repells magnets on the big wheel making it rotate in sync. due to natural attraction and repulsion of magnets, energy is amplified in form of torque on the shaft of the big wheel and this is where the outside generator is attached. i don't see how i can explain it any simpler than this.
Quote from: astr0144 on April 07, 2016, 11:51:19 PM
So there is a small motor (that can operate on DC) that helps rotate larger wheel...and once that larger wheel rotates... the magnetic effects can take place...to operate that via the magnets ..and this is what one would need to connect to ones generator ?
Its the Larger wheel that you are creating ? what is classed as the " Mirror magnet device !
So without including the Generator...
I think I understand the principle..
there is the Small Motor.. that Operates or turns the Mirror Magnet.. and the Mirror magnet as it spins then operates another BIG Wheel !
So there are 3 main parts to it...
Are you involved in making the Mirror Magnett and the Big Wheel ? or just the Mirror Magnet ?
Quotesmall dc motor turns the mirror magnet, as the mirror magnet turns it attracts and repells magnets on the big wheel making it rotate in sync. due to natural attraction and repulsion of magnets, energy is amplified in form of torque on the shaft of the big wheel and this is where the outside generator is attached. i don't see how i can explain it any simpler than this.
all of it, of course. i need to solve some details about rotor construction, mounting, exact geometry etc.
Quote from: astr0144 on April 08, 2016, 12:05:13 AM
So without including the Generator...
I think I understand the principle..
there is the Small Motor.. that Operates or turns the Mirror Magnet.. and the Mirror magnet as it spins then operates another BIG Wheel !
So there are 3 main parts to it...
Are you involved in making the Mirror Magnett and the Big Wheel ? or just the Mirror Magnet ?
I thought maybe the main part or challenge to it would involve the Mirror and larger wheel. Then followed by the set up.
If your design is similar to the 1st video...That maybe a bit easier to understand or follow...It maybe a bit clearer to see and follow than video 2 and you can understand what is said in video 1..
But Im not sure if its an easier design than the one in Video 2..
Im not really sure how the Video 2 wheel is designed...when it rotates..are we seeing two parts to it rotating in opposing direction ? one being with the magnets and another part connected on a shaft somehow.
Although I thought that I understood... looking at Video one again..maybe Im not 100% clear...
Video ones main larger wheel in the horizontal position seems rather complex to create..but I think I can follow the principle ..
I can see the fixture and mounting on the table with the bearing housing and shaft..and underneath we see a pulley / belt leading to the other motor or generator..
when he connects the belt (is that to the small motor or a generator..(he seemed to indicate generator.))the Large wheel turns..which then we see the smaller shaft to the higher right then turn from the magnetic effects.. the is or seems a SMALLER rotor..
which is classed as the Mirror magnet ?
The Larger Horizontal Wheel ? or the Smaller Rotor on the Higher right... (or is that a connection to a generator ?)
Quoteall of it, of course. i need to solve some details about rotor construction, mounting, exact geometry etc.
second motor is the same as first, only the magnets are placed radially, not axially, everything else is the same. my motor has 4 magnets, it is axial like the first video only that mine rotor stands vertically. it is very very simple. i don't see what's confusing you. imagine the first motor only with 4 big magnets instead of 20 on the big wheel and mounted vertically.
Quote from: astr0144 on April 08, 2016, 12:33:47 AM
I thought maybe the main part or challenge to it would involve the Mirror and larger wheel. Then followed by the set up.
If your design is similar to the 1st video...That maybe a bit easier to understand or follow...It maybe a bit clearer to see and follow than video 2 and you can understand what is said in video 1..
But Im not sure if its an easier design than the one in Video 2..
Im not really sure how the Video 2 wheel is designed...when it rotates..are we seeing two parts to it rotating in opposing direction ? one being with the magnets and another part connected on a shaft somehow.
Video ones main larger wheel in the horizontal position seems rather complex to create..but I think I can follow the principle ..
I can see the fixture and mounting on the table with the housing and shaft..and underneath we see a pulley leading to the other motor or generator..
like this
(http://s17.postimg.org/ae5n53cq7/download.jpg)
I added some further comments as you replied..
With ref to Video one then....Can I just clarify ..
we see what looks like a small motor to the Lower left of the table (Closest to the fan) where the larger horizontal wheel (with magnets) is mounted..
Is that a small motor or a Generator ?
Is the Large Horizontal wheel the Big Wheel or the Mirror Magnet ?
Or is the smaller Rotor to the higher right a Mirror magnet ? or is that the Generator connection ?
I assume the Big Wheel is with the magnets in the Horizontal position and the Mirror magnet is on the smaller rotor (Upper Right)
He did seem to mention Generator (at the 35 second mark)when he showed what looks like a small motor connected to to the lower LEFT of the table..that connects the Pulley underneath the table...
we only see the big wheel turn once he connects the pulley..then we later see him place the rotating horizontal wheel close to the other smaller rotor on the higher right...that then starts turning.
QuoteAlthough I thought that I understood... looking at Video one again..maybe Im not 100% clear...
Video ones main larger wheel in the horizontal position seems rather complex to create..but I think I can follow the principle ..
I can see the fixture and mounting on the table with the bearing housing and shaft..and underneath we see a pulley / belt leading to the other motor or generator..
when he connects the belt (is that to the small motor or a generator..(he seemed to indicate generator.))the Large wheel turns..which then we see the smaller shaft to the higher right then turn from the magnetic effects.. the is or seems a SMALLER rotor..
which is classed as the Mirror magnet ?
The Larger Horizontal Wheel ? or the Smaller Rotor on the Higher right... (or is that a connection to a generator ?)
Quote from: vril-ya on April 08, 2016, 12:41:21 AM
second motor is the same as first, only the magnets are placed radially, not axially, everything else is the same. my motor has 4 magnets, it is axial like the first video only that mine rotor stands vertically. it is very very simple. i don't see what's confusing you. imagine the first motor only with 4 big magnets instead of 20 on the big wheel and mounted vertically.
smaller rotor to the higher right is a mirror magnet, of course.
below table is the small generator, small motor is in the silver
box where the mirror magnet is.
Quote from: astr0144 on April 08, 2016, 12:57:55 AM
I added some further comments as you replied..
With ref to Video one then....Can I just clarify ..
we see what looks like a small motor to the Lower left of the table (Closest to the fan) where the larger horizontal wheel (with magnets) is mounted..
Is that a small motor or a Generator ?
Is the Large Horizontal wheel the Big Wheel or the Mirror Magnet ?
Or is the smaller Rotor to the higher right a Mirror magnet ? or is that the Generator connection ?
I assume the Big Wheel is with the magnets in the Horizontal position and the Mirror magnet is on the smaller rotor (Upper Right)
He did seem to mention Generator when he showed what looks like a small motor connected to to the lower LEFT of the table..that connects the Pulley underneath the table...
Sorry to had kept on asking...
Although earlier I thought that I understood clearly... when I looked at the video.. it was not as clear to me as id had expected..ie somethings did not seem to make sense to me..
so I am glad I asked..
I now feel I much better understand..
I was thinking that the Generator would be MUCH bigger ! :)
and that maybe the silver box had contained it..
Although he refers to what seems like a small motor as the generator.. we only seem to see the large Horizontal wheel rotate when he connects the pulley..
I was not sure if that was then being connected to the small motor..
ALSO as the Mirror only rotates when brought close to the large rotating wheels magnets....
I was not sure i it was the MIRROR MAGNET that would start the rotation of the Larger Wheel..
AMMENDMENT ! later added shortly after initial comments...
YES I CAN NOW SEE THAT THE BIG WHEEL STARTS TO ROTATE WHEN HE DOES SOMETHING WITH THE BIG WHEEL AND MIRROR MAGNET.( at 1 minute 30 secs ) when he repositions the Mirror Magnet / silver box......BEFORE he connects the Pulley...at 2 minutes 20 secs...
ALL IS CLEARER NOW ! THANK YOU ....
I had not been observant enough to piece it all together earlier on without questioning all those things to clarify !
I had been used to seeing many a Small Motor that size of that Generator ! and had not seen that many generators that small !.
So Is that to assume that the system will only run such small generators ? or is it possible to run larger ones ?
Im not sure what size one needs to power an average sized house in comparison to the one shown in the video ?
(It did not appear that way in the Video to me..
I need to watch again a few times to check..
but otherwise I think you have clarified things..Hopefully..)
Quotesmaller rotor to the higher right is a mirror magnet, of course.
below table is the small generator, small motor is in the silver
box where the mirror magnet is.
when he places the mirror over the big wheel you can hear the *click* as he turns on the small motor, that is why it starts to rotate, of course.
Quote from: astr0144 on April 08, 2016, 01:19:41 AM
Sorry to had kept on asking...
Although earlier I thought that I understood clearly... when I looked at the video.. it was not as clear to me as id had expected..ie somethings did not seem to make sense to me..
so I am glad I asked..
I now feel I much better understand..
I was thinking that the Generator would be MUCH bigger ! :)
and that maybe the silver box had contained it..
Although he refers to what seems like a small motor as the generator.. we only seem to see the large Horizontal wheel rotate when he connects the pulley..
I was not sure if that was then being connected to the small motor..
ALSO as the Mirror only rotates when brought close to the large rotating wheels magnets....
I was not sure i it was the MIRROR MAGNET that would start the rotation of the Larger Wheel..
AMMENDMENT ! later added shortly after initial comments...
YES I CAN NOW SEE THAT THE BIG WHEEL STARTS TO ROTATE WHEN HE DOES SOMETHING WITH THE BIG WHEEL AND MIRROR MAGNET.( at 1 minute 30 secs ) when he repositions the Mirror Magnet / silver box......BEFORE he connects the Pulley...at 2 minutes 20 secs...
ALL IS CLEARER NOW ! THANK YOU ....
I had not been observant enough to piece it all together earlier on without questioning all those things to clarify !
I had been used to seeing many a Small Motor that size of that Generator ! and had not seen that many generators that small !.
So Is that to assume that the system will only run such small generators ? or is it possible to run larger ones ?
Im not sure what size one needs to power an average sized house in comparison to the one shown in the video ?
(It did not appear that way in the Video to me..
I need to watch again a few times to check..
but otherwise I think you have clarified things..Hopefully..)
I could not easily notice the click on my Volume..
Being familiar would maybe make it seem more obvious..
so when we look at that Mirror Magnet...
Is that that just say 4 magnets...placed together..in a way that you have two side by side as well as back to back for differing polarities ? Maybe as you was trying to explain or show in your posted images..
ie that's a lot smaller area than all the many 17 to 18 magnets on the larger horizontal wheel..
but a clever concept...
I think thats what you were trying to explain here...
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9236.msg123350#msg123350
Quote"you take an even number of permanent magnets, best is 4 strong ones and fix them on a rotor in alternating fashion. axial or radial flux, doesn't matter. then you take the same magnet, or pair of them, and mount them on a smaller shaft so that the "mirror" magnets face the rotor magnets. as you rotate this "mirror", rotor will rotate in synch with the "mirror". input energy used to rotate the "mirror" will be amplified at the bigger shaft by the factor of thousands. in other words, very small motor is enough to keep the "mirror" rotating, consuming let's say 1 watt of power and producing, at the bigger shaft, power of kilowatts, depending on the strenght of magnets and rpm."
HOW CAN WE OBTAIN STRONGER PERMANENT MAGNETS ?
What determines a magnets strength ? is it size or something in relation to the material its made from ..or can we create or manufacture them as a Permanent magnet ??? with differing strengths of magnetism ...
The RPM of the Motor I assume can be alter via a different type of smaller motor being used ? that is based upon its design..be it 1800 rpm or 3600 rpm as an eg...based on its internal windings etc.
Quotewhen he places the mirror over the big wheel you can hear the *click* as he turns on the small motor, that is why it starts to rotate, of course.
seems you still can't understand mirror magnet is the ONE magnet closer to camera and the big wheel are FOUR magnets.
i use 4 big magnets instead of 20 small ones for sole reason that the power is determined by the strenght of the magnets interacting AT ONCE.
Quote from: astr0144 on April 08, 2016, 01:46:47 AM
I could not easily notice the click on my Volume..
Being familiar would maybe make it seem more obvious..
so when we look at that Mirror Magnet...
Is that that just say 4 magnets...placed together..in a way that you have two side by side as well as back to back for differing polarities ? Maybe as you was trying to explain or show in your posted images..
ie that's a lot smaller area than all the many 17 to 18 magnets on the larger horizontal wheel..
but a clever concept...
I think thats what you were trying to explain here...
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9236.msg123350#msg123350
HOW CAN WE OBTAIN STRONGER PERMANENT MAGNETS ?
What determines a magnets strength ? is it size or something in relation to the material its made from ..or can we create or manufacture them as a Permanent magnet ??? with differing strengths of magnetism ...
The RPM of the Motor I assume can be alter via a different type of smaller motor being used ? that is based upon its design..be it 1500 rpm or 3600 rpm as an eg...based on its internal windings etc.
I was referring to the video, are you referring to the image you later posted ?
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9236.msg123367#msg123367
but your design is using less magnets than that we see in the video ?
or am I still missing it !
Quoteseems you still can't understand mirror magnet is the ONE magnet closer to camera and the big wheel are FOUR magnets.
to image i posted, it actually uses more magnets, only they are stacked together in pairs of 6.
Quote from: astr0144 on April 08, 2016, 02:14:18 AM
I was referring to the video, are you referring to the image you later posted ?
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9236.msg123367#msg123367
but your design is using less magnets than that we see in the video ?
or am I still missing it !
So does that mean that in the image we refer to..
that appears to show 4 magnets in the back ground and one in the foreground..
are you saying that those should be stacks of 6 magnets ?
But you say PAIRS..so Im not sure clear on that ! a Pair is two..
Quoteto image i posted, it actually uses more magnets, only they are stacked together in pairs of 6.
i think i explained enough.
Thank you for your explanations..
I was still a bit confused when I thought that you earlier referred to the Mirror mag being 4 magnets...
then as you posted that image I was not sure if that suggested that the 4 background magnets related to the BIG WHEEL and the Single foreground Magnet represented the Mirror Magnet !
Then you indicate that you refer to there being more magnets in pairs of 6..
Does that mean each of those would contain pairs ...
I agree its been some conversation..and time for some rest..
4 bacground magnets are "big wheel", yes.. i have a feeling you are pulling my leg last half of the conversation, but i believe it is not intentionaly, but simply a confusion despite this thing being so extremely simple that it ciuldn't be simpler and clearer even if i tried to confuse it.
Quote from: astr0144 on April 08, 2016, 02:50:27 AM
Thank you for your explanations..
I was still a bit confused when I thought that you earlier referred to the Mirror mag being 4 magnets...
then as you posted that image I was not sure if that suggested that the 4 background magnets related to the BIG WHEEL and the Single foreground Magnet represented the Mirror Magnet !
Then you indicate that you refer to there being more magnets in pairs of 6..
Does that mean each of those would contain pairs ...
I agree its been some conversation..and time for some rest..
Possibly it was down to a combination of a long session, tiredness, a bit of confusion and my lack of understanding..
I may have got some facts mixed up..
But I think now I understand that the Big Wheel in your image was the 4 magnets and the Mirror magnet was the single one magnet.
BUT when you then said it
actually uses MORE magnets and then you refer to say "
Only they are stacked together in Pairs of 6"..
Sometimes I have to see something to grasp it..
I do sometimes get mental Blocks on somethings when described by text..
without seeing it close up or maybe as a diagram..
I may envision it in more than one way..
If trying to represent with a simple basic diagram represents the Big Wheel on the left of as maybe 4 dots. or (4 x 0 )
. . 0 0
. . 0 0
and the Mirror magnet represents to the right of it
(or rep by one dot ) or by the one 0
0 0
0
0 0
Big Wheel (4 magnets) Mirror Magnet (One magnet)
(Shown as 4 x 0 ) (Shown as 1 x 0 )
When you then say there are more magnets..only stacked together in pairs of 6...
IF we just start with the ONE Mirror Magnet...Does this mean that is a pair of magnets joined closely together.. or is it more joined together ?
so could we say show the SINGLE ONE Mirror Magnet 0 as being actually a pair (Two Magnets Closely joined together appearing as one) or more..
That's my confusion !
Quote4 bacground magnets are "big wheel", yes.. i have a feeling you are pulling my leg last half of the conversation, but i believe it is not intentionaly, but simply a confusion despite this thing being so extremely simple that it ciuldn't be simpler and clearer even if i tried to confuse it.
Quoteto image i posted, it actually uses more magnets, only they are stacked together in pairs of 6.
no problem.. it simply means that each of 4 big magnets is made of 6 smaller ring magnets stacked together. mirror has 4 stacked together because i only got so much magnets.
i already posted a photo and a link where i bought the magnets, here it is again.
https://www.supermagnete.de/eng/ring-magnets-ferrite/ring-magnet-80mm-x-40mm-x-15mm-ferrite-y35-no-coating_FE-R-80-40-15
(https://media2.supermagnete.de/photos/596x596/6421.jpg)
Quote from: astr0144 on April 08, 2016, 04:01:21 PM
Possibly it was down to a combination of a long session, tiredness, a bit of confusion and my lack of understanding..
I may have got some facts mixed up..
But I think now I understand that the Big Wheel in your image was the 4 magnets and the Mirror magnet was the single one magnet.
BUT when you then said it actually uses MORE magnets and then you refer to say "Only they are stacked together in Pairs of 6"..
Sometimes I have to see something to grasp it..
I do sometimes get mental Blocks on somethings when described by text..
without seeing it close up or maybe as a diagram..
I may envision it in more than one way..
If trying to represent with a simple basic diagram represents the Big Wheel on the left of as maybe 4 dots. or (4 x 0 )
. . 0 0
. . 0 0
and the Mirror magnet represents to the right of it
(or rep by one dot ) or by the one 0
0 0
0
0 0
Big Wheel (4 magnets) Mirror Magnet (One magnet)
(Shown as 4 x 0 ) (Shown as 1 x 0 )
When you then say there are more magnets..only stacked together in pairs of 6...
IF we just start with the ONE Mirror Magnet...Does this mean that is a pair of magnets joined closely together.. or is it more joined together ?
so could we say show the SINGLE ONE Mirror Magnet 0 as being actually a pair (Two Magnets Closely joined together appearing as one) or more..
That's my confusion !
so many speak about oveunity of 150% or 200% like it is something big, this produces overunity factor of 10000% or 20000%, while magnet only motors like muammer yildiz or howard johnson produce infinite overunity factor since there is no need for input energy whatsoever.