http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ym5HvRifwY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ym5HvRifwY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ym5HvRifwY)
I am truly impressed with gravity's universal power and symmetry!
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a quick question , are these systems seen as shown , because I cannot see how these planets would be discovered , I thought the systems had to be edge onto us, so that we can see the occultation of the main star occurring
or is the entire universe a proverbial flat place?
funbox
That's a good question, if we are limited to that then I suppose we can only look for other planets in a relatively small percentage of the star systems.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 10, 2016, 01:56:46 PM
That's a good question, if we are limited to that then I suppose we can only look for other planets in a relatively small percentage of the star systems.
scary thought ,) what if a higher percentage than statistically possible had their ecliptic plains pointed towards us? , how would that be explained?
funbox
what's out there hasn't changed.. just are our ability to see it. imagine that
WOW, this presentation is interesting too!! And it likely only presents to us a "a very very very very > ................few" of the real number of solar systems that exist in our galaxy. And one of the amazing points of this is that so how very physically different they can be. Some are relatively very small and some are huge in size. Some are basic in layout and some have, to us, oddball characteristics.
I would say, relative to the comments about "ecliptic" or flat planes, it would seem logical to expect every possible variance in our Galaxy, and in this Universe, within the realm of possible gravitational attraction(s). But for sure, the only way to present them pictorially such that we can easily view and understand them is with the "flat plane", as we have in this video.
I would have liked for the "Solar System" to have been presented to us likewise, so that we could have more knowledge of size relativity. I also wondered if any of those presented solar systems having planet(s) at "Planet X" distances??
As Space Otter "inferred", the more we see and learn about our Galaxy and Universe, the more we understand that we really really just don't know much about it!! :))
oh no.. who doesn't want to be seen out there..lol ::)
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nasa%e2%80%99s-kepler-spacecraft-enters-emergency-mode-75-million-miles-from-earth/ar-BBrxhWo?li=BBnb7Kz
The Verge
Loren Grush
3 hrs ago
NASA's Kepler spacecraft enters emergency mode 75 million miles from Earth
NASA engineers have declared a mission emergency for the agency's planet-hunting spacecraft Kepler, which has somehow switched into emergency mode. NASA just found out about the anomaly a day and a half ago, right before the agency tried to maneuver the spacecraft to point at the center of the Milky Way for a new observation campaign. Now that a mission emergency has been declared, the Kepler team has priority access to NASA's deep space telecommunications system in order to try to get the spacecraft back to normal operations.
Emergency mode is the lowest operational mode the spacecraft has. It also requires a lot more fuel than usual, which is why the Kepler mission team is working hard to get the spacecraft back to normal. But communication with Kepler isn't easy. The spacecraft is currently 75 million miles away from Earth right now, according to NASA, so any communications signal traveling at the speed of light will take up to 13 minutes to travel to and from the spacecraft. NASA said it will provide updates about its efforts when they are available.
This isn't the first time that Kepler has suffered some kind of malfunction. Kepler originally launched in 2009, with the goal of looking for planets outside of our Solar System. The spacecraft accomplished its main goal by 2012, after finding nearly 5,000 exoplanets. But in July of that year, Kepler experienced a failure in one of its four gyroscopic reaction wheels, which help aim the spacecraft. A second wheel was lost in May 2013, putting an end to its primary mission. But in 2014, NASA was able to extend Kepler's life into what is called the K2 mission, which involves using pressure from the Sun to help orient the spacecraft.
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/10/tech/nasa-kepler-emergency-mode/
Kepler spacecraft in trouble 75 million miles from Earth
By Faith Karimi, CNN
Updated 3:58 AM ET, Sun April 10, 2016
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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/space/go-for-launch/os-nasa-kepler-spacecraft-in-trouble-20160409-story.html
NASA: Exoplanet-finding Kepler spacecraft in trouble
A routine contact with a NASA spacecraft 75 million miles from Earth discovered something alarming: Kepler had placed itself in Emergency Mode.
The Kepler mission team is now working to recover the spacecraft from Emergency Mode, according to Charlie Sobeck, Kepler mission manager at NASA's Ames Research Center.
A solution may take some time. Even at the speed of light, it takes signals 13 minutes to travel from Earth to the Kepler spacecraft and back, according to NASA.
On April 4, the last contact with Kepler, the spacecraft was operating normally and healthy.
The Kepler space telescope is on its second mission, Kepler2, after it was re-purposed to survey the Milky Way in search of planets outside of our solar system that orbit stars -- like Earth orbits the sun-- known as exoplanets.
Artist rendering of NASA's Kepler space telescope, the spacecraft is more then 70 million miles from Earth searching for planets orbiting star-like systems, known as exoplanets.
(NASA)
Kepler2 is responsible for discovering more than 20 exoplanets and more than 250 possible exoplanets awaiting confirmation. These discoveries could be future targets of study for the Hubble Space Telescope and the coming James Webb Space Telescope, looking for life-supporting atmospheres on these planets.
It's not the first time Kepler has been in a hairy situation.
Launched in 2009, Kepler's first mission to find exoplanets went well until 2012 when the spacecraft lost one of its four reaction wheels used for balancing the spacecraft.
A year later another wheel went out and the severe malfunction prevented the spacecraft from staying on target without drifting off course, according to a NASA press release. Kepler's engineers were able to save the telescope using the pressure of sunlight to stabilize the spacecraft.
"You're not watching it unfold in real time," said Dustin Putnam, Ball's attitude control lead for Kepler. "You're watching it as it unfolded a few minutes ago, because of the time the data takes to get back from the spacecraft."
This critical situation comes right before flight operations engineers at Ball Aerospace and the Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics at the University of Colorado were planning on flipping the telescope for its new mission objective.
From NASA's Jet Propulsion Labratory, "So, instead of looking toward where it's been, the spacecraft will look in the direction of where it's going."
Again, Kepler's team will have to devise a plan to recover the spacecraft.
Check back for updates on this developing story.
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a quick search shows more of the same article in many places
http://spacenews.com/kepler-mission-declares-spacecraft-emergency/
https://www.nasa.gov/
http://nasasearch.nasa.gov/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&affiliate=nasa&query=kepler
QuoteI would say, relative to the comments about "ecliptic" or flat planes, it would seem logical to expect every possible variance in our Galaxy, and in this Universe, within the realm of possible gravitational attraction(s). But for sure, the only way to present them pictorially such that we can easily view and understand them is with the "flat plane", as we have in this video.
Variance in the power of a stars ability to generate a gravitational field maybe , planets are still going to form and orbit on the elliptic plane , do a higher percentage of solar systems orbit the centre of the milky way galaxy at an angle which allows us to see occultation's and interpret as planetary bodies from xxx light years away ?
did I miss a cue? :D
funbox
Kepler Orrery's are a collection of only the stars that do exhibit occultation.
It examines many (in the majority actually) that do not show signs of occultation, at least in the raw data I have seen.
Perhaps these also do have planetary bodies orbiting, but are at the wrong angle for us to observe the occultation.
Great questions funbox, gfy for getting our wheels turning.
And yes Rdunk they did indeed rotate the images face on for display purposes, for what turned out be be a very interesting perspective on the night sky.
I find these first detailed peeks outside the old crib amazing.
I am fascinated by the apparent natural law that all planets orbit counterclockwise!
further questions :D
how does the scope gather information on orbit time . I imagine a lengthy period of time where the scope is trained on the star and a repetition is made, maybe speed too from transition start to end
does this scope see a huge field of view ? or a narrow field ?
..seems like there isn't enough time in the day to make all of the observations it's made, excluding the time its been out of commission
funbox
Quote from: funbox on April 11, 2016, 12:28:11 AM
further questions :D
how does the scope gather information on orbit time . I imagine a lengthy period of time where the scope is trained on the star and a repetition is made, maybe speed too from transition start to end
I don't know.
does this scope see a huge field of view ? or a narrow field ?
A narrow field is what they say.
..seems like there isn't enough time in the day to make all of the observations it's made, excluding the time its been out of commission
funbox
QuoteA narrow field is what they say.
interesting , again, where did they find the time if individual stars were observed to obtain an orbital time .. anything beyond a week seems like too long to calculate in the operational time that's passed :D
smells all a bit fishy
sure someone didn't peak at the hitchhiker guide ?
funbox
A51Watcher said, "I am fascinated by the apparent natural law that all planets orbit counterclockwise"!
That too is an interesting point. It seems that the visual direction of rotation would be dependent upon one's position in looking at the rotation of the solar system. For the solar systems in this video, if we were seeing that rotation from the back side, wouldn't they seem to be rotating "counter clockwise"?? Kinda like the Earth's circular daily rotation - if we look down on the Earth from above the North Pole it is rotating clockwise. But, if we do likewise at the South Pole, we would see it rotating counter clockwise.
(Per Wiki @........... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clockwise ) :)
Of course, maybe the directional rotation and orbit of a systems major gravitational body just might have something with how each planetary object responds synergistically (rotationally) to it??
Quote from: rdunk on April 11, 2016, 03:57:19 AM
A51Watcher said, "I am fascinated by the apparent natural law that all planets orbit counterclockwise"!
That too is an interesting point. It seems that the visual direction of rotation would be dependent upon one's position in looking at the rotation of the solar system. For the solar systems in this video, if we were seeing that rotation from the back side, wouldn't they seem to be rotating "counter clockwise"?? Kinda like the Earth's circular daily rotation - if we look down on the Earth from above the North Pole it is rotating clockwise. But, if we do likewise at the South Pole, we would see it rotating counter clockwise.
(Per Wiki @........... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clockwise ) :)
Of course, maybe the directional rotation and orbit of a systems major gravitational body just might have something with how each planetary object responds synergistically (rotationally) to it??
Of course I see your point, but the questions still is - why do they all follow the same direction of rotation, no matter which side you're looking from?
Many of the large red planets in a small tight spiral appear to be in the final stage of preparing to go supernova.
and some good newshttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kepler-spacecraft-recovery_us_570bd8dde4b0836057a1c6a6
Nina Golgowski
Trends reporter, The Huffington Post
04/11/2016 03:15 pm ET
NASA's Kepler Spacecraft Recovers From Unexplained Emergency Mode
This was the first time the spacecraft has gone into emergency mode during its seven years in space
NASA announced Monday that its planet-seeking Kepler spacecraft has recovered after switching into emergency mode, though the reason for the anomaly has yet to be determined.
On Thursday, the spacecraft mysteriously went haywire while nearly 75 million miles from Earth.
Officials said they were able to get it into a low, fuel-burning stable state Sunday morning. While in emergency mode it was fuel intensive.
"It was the quick response and determination of the engineers throughout the weekend that led to the recovery," NASA officials said in a release. "We are deeply appreciative of their efforts, and for the outpouring of support from the mission's fans and followers from around the world."
Mission operations engineers say they are now working to download data as it's sent from the spacecraft. They noted in a previous release that it takes about 13 minutes for a signal to travel to the spacecraft and back because of its distance.
"Once data is on the ground, the team will thoroughly assess all on board systems to ensure the spacecraft is healthy enough to return to science mode," the statement said.
As soon as that's a success, the team will work to begin another portion of Kepler's "K2" mission. That mission was halted Thursday when NASA discovered the spacecraft was in emergency mode.
Though the spacecraft has had some problems in the past — notably its significant loss of two of its four reaction wheels in 2013. This was the first time the spacecraft has gone into emergency mode during its seven years in space.
They said they'll work toward determining the reason for the crisis, but will keep their main focus on returning it to its regular science operations.
Its current mission is to find exoplanets while conducting research on young stars, supernovae and other astronomical objects.
Quote from: A51Watcher on April 11, 2016, 07:51:11 AM
Of course I see your point, but the questions still is - why do they all follow the same direction of rotation, no matter which side you're looking from?
What do you mean by that? ???
Quote from: ArMaP on April 12, 2016, 08:58:45 AM
What do you mean by that? ???
By viewing them underneath as opposed to from the top. One view would be clockwise and the other would be counterclockwise.
Quote from: A51Watcher on April 12, 2016, 12:59:59 PM
By viewing them underneath as opposed to from the top. One view would be clockwise and the other would be counterclockwise.
True, but where are we seeing them rotating always in the same direction? That's what I don't understand.
Quote from: ArMaP on April 12, 2016, 02:03:22 PM
True, but where are we seeing them rotating always in the same direction? That's what I don't understand.
I just assumed A51's "side" meant seen either from the equator, like if looking at a globe, or as with all of the systems in the video, we are looking at a "flat side", and they all are shown/seen as rotating in the same way/direction relative to the system star. ???
one of those mad questions again
if the universe is splitting the void asunder, and then, if this creates two opposing sides , so where sandwiched between two voids, do the voids pushback in any way? a push that may push turnwise maybe? :D
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