http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuAZ2HojyJY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuAZ2HojyJY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuAZ2HojyJY)
That is a great video A51Watcher. It really peaked my interest as I have been watching the Pyramid Code on Netflx . It is well worth watching, if you have not seen it.
In the mean time conflicting theories are driving Zahi Hawass into a fit of temper.
Game of Groans: Egyptologist Zahi Hawass Goes Into Meltdown During Debate with Graham Hancock
Dr Hawass saw that one slide contained a photograph of Hancock's colleague Robert Bauval, originator of the Orion correlation theory with whom Dr Hawass has had disagreements for many years. Dr Hawass immediately became furiously angry and began to shout at Hancock and at Hancock's wife Santha (Santha is wearing the white dress in the video). Hawass demanded that Hancock censor his talk to remove all references to Robert Bauval and the Orion correlation theory. When Hancock explained that the alternative view of history that he was on stage to represent could not exclude the Orion correlation and therefore could not exclude Robert Bauval, Dr Hawass, again shouting, marched out of the debating room. One member of the audience who was present managed to record part of Dr Hawass's meltdown which is the subject of this video.
http://www.dailygrail.com/Hidden-History/2015/4/Game-Groans-Egyptologist-Zahi-Hawass-Goes-Meltdown-During-Debate-Graham-Hancoc
Phedre PS Thank you for the video :)
Quote from: Phedre on May 02, 2016, 06:29:28 AM
That is a great video A51Watcher. It really peaked my interest as I have been watching the Pyramid Code on Netflx . It is well worth watching, if you have not seen it.
In the mean time conflicting theories are driving Zahi Hawass into a fit of temper.
Game of Groans: Egyptologist Zahi Hawass Goes Into Meltdown During Debate with Graham Hancock
Dr Hawass saw that one slide contained a photograph of Hancock's colleague Robert Bauval, originator of the Orion correlation theory with whom Dr Hawass has had disagreements for many years. Dr Hawass immediately became furiously angry and began to shout at Hancock and at Hancock's wife Santha (Santha is wearing the white dress in the video). Hawass demanded that Hancock censor his talk to remove all references to Robert Bauval and the Orion correlation theory. When Hancock explained that the alternative view of history that he was on stage to represent could not exclude the Orion correlation and therefore could not exclude Robert Bauval, Dr Hawass, again shouting, marched out of the debating room. One member of the audience who was present managed to record part of Dr Hawass's meltdown which is the subject of this video.
http://www.dailygrail.com/Hidden-History/2015/4/Game-Groans-Egyptologist-Zahi-Hawass-Goes-Meltdown-During-Debate-Graham-Hancoc
Phedre PS Thank you for the video :)
man man man man man. What a character. :o
What I found interesting was first off many photos I had never seen before detailing some amazing tell tale aspects of how those stones were cut and worked.
Another great point was reinforced that to cut stone you need to use harder stone.
(https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/research/infrastructure/pavements/pccp/04150/images/fig208.gif)
Then we see a photo of various types of stone discs found by the pyramids on display in the Cairo museum -
(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/GizaComp/blades_zpsrpfduclk.png)
:o
That looks pretty similar to my collection of circular saw blades on the wall of my garage!
Same goes for my collection of circular sander blades on the wall.
Hmmmm... 8)
So clearly even the Egyptians were aware of the wheel -
(http://cache1.asset-cache.net/gc/128265547-stone-cutting-wheel-in-courtyard-of-dendara-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=%2FmGVzP%2F8r%2FxfeB0VVbgPQG32EapNbagPceCYoOyImad5pZAXuMgT%2BErMAq0OwQ6B1zNAHnW%2B4vVzNezbgIqXDw%3D%3D)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e1/e4/4d/e1e44db49b412ee8f058a5b3f9805e79.jpg)
...and Brian Forster has videotaped tours to rarely seen areas showing the much older megalithic (Khemitian) unmarked stone wheels.
(click on image for full size)
(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/GizaComp/StoneWheelEgypt_zpsyac5cyop.png)
So making a stone wheel to spin, to cut other stone, is a reasonable solution to cutting even huge blocks.
Having the wheel also implies having pulleys.
(http://www.ucl.ac.uk/museums-static/digitalegypt/textil/thothotep.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/10/01/16/2CF9E43700000578-3256410-image-a-8_1443712546507.jpg)
...which they clearly did, as displayed in the GP antechamber -
(http://images.slideplayer.com/12/3544039/slides/slide_3.jpg)
An axle of wood for the center, attached to ropes and pulleys, much like a millstone and you have some cutting and sanding power.
(http://c8.alamy.com/comp/C3NYNC/israel-palestine-ancient-biblical-food-grind-historical-history-manual-C3NYNC.jpg)
And perhaps gears of wood -
(http://c8.alamy.com/comp/C3K7YG/the-saqieh-or-traditional-timber-water-wheel-working-in-luxor-upper-C3K7YG.jpg)
Perhaps even a paddlewheel in the Nile to power your axle.
And access to a liquid substance as we have seen in earlier Forster videos that melts or softens up granite, before you cut?
That would be a big help.
And the use of multiple pulleys allows some pretty amazing feats -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2SmmSD0afg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2SmmSD0afg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2SmmSD0afg)
Quote from: Phedre on May 02, 2016, 06:29:28 AM
That is a great video A51Watcher. It really peaked my interest as I have been watching the Pyramid Code on Netflx . It is well worth watching, if you have not seen it.
In the mean time conflicting theories are driving Zahi Hawass into a fit of temper.
Game of Groans: Egyptologist Zahi Hawass Goes Into Meltdown During Debate with Graham Hancock
Dr Hawass saw that one slide contained a photograph of Hancock's colleague Robert Bauval, originator of the Orion correlation theory with whom Dr Hawass has had disagreements for many years. Dr Hawass immediately became furiously angry and began to shout at Hancock and at Hancock's wife Santha (Santha is wearing the white dress in the video). Hawass demanded that Hancock censor his talk to remove all references to Robert Bauval and the Orion correlation theory. When Hancock explained that the alternative view of history that he was on stage to represent could not exclude the Orion correlation and therefore could not exclude Robert Bauval, Dr Hawass, again shouting, marched out of the debating room. One member of the audience who was present managed to record part of Dr Hawass's meltdown which is the subject of this video.
http://www.dailygrail.com/Hidden-History/2015/4/Game-Groans-Egyptologist-Zahi-Hawass-Goes-Meltdown-During-Debate-Graham-Hancoc
Phedre PS Thank you for the video :)
Thanks Phedre glad you enjoyed it. 8)
Old Zawi never changes. lol
Now we know the magic word to set him off! LOL ;)
Quote from: A51Watcher on May 02, 2016, 09:25:59 PM
Another great point was reinforced that to cut stone you need to use harder stone.
Does that mean that it's impossible to cut diamonds?
Quote from: ArMaP on May 03, 2016, 12:10:18 AM
Does that mean that it's impossible to cut diamonds?
Obviously not.
Copper chisels had to be the answer. ;)
Quote from: ArMaP on May 03, 2016, 12:10:18 AM
Does that mean that it's impossible to cut diamonds?
Diamonds "cleave" break. They are faceted and polished with diamond saws. My friend had a lovely 3ct diamond that she some hit something with it and snapped it right in half, sad day, for her.
A51Watcher, I am beginning to be of the opinion that the Egyptions and other ancient civilisations where far more superior than they have been portrayed to be. The precision work on some of those artifacts is mind boggling.
Another thing that has always bothered me . Who or what blew up those civilisations? There is always disray on these sites. Like some sort of planned demolition came through. So many questions... ???
Phedre
Quote from: Phedre on May 03, 2016, 03:32:40 AM
A51Watcher, I am beginning to be of the opinion that the Egyptions and other ancient civilisations where far more superior than they have been portrayed to be. The precision work on some of those artifacts is mind boggling.
Indeed it is.
Another thing that has always bothered me . Who or what blew up those civilisations? There is always disray on these sites. Like some sort of planned demolition came through. So many questions... ???
This video addresses the question of something blowing up, just as you mention -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTtE2acQeHo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTtE2acQeHo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTtE2acQeHo)
...and this one goes more in depth on the subject of softening stone that was briefly mentioned in the OP -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7xBwGNLnpo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7xBwGNLnpo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7xBwGNLnpo)
At 10:43 we can see traces of the liquid that appears to soften or melt the granite -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfv3vRrfp2E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfv3vRrfp2E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfv3vRrfp2E)
This is a bit different version, of what has been posted. I think. I can't get over the precision cuts on these "Boxes", that could Not even be duplicated, with todays technology!
Giant Underground Stone Boxes Near The Pyramids In Egypt
https://youtu.be/8j9uHyDSH0s
Quote from: Phedre on March 05, 2017, 03:08:46 PM
This is a bit different version, of what has been posted. I think. I can't get over the precision cuts on these "Boxes", that could Not even be duplicated, with todays technology!
Giant Underground Stone Boxes Near The Pyramids In Egypt
https://youtu.be/8j9uHyDSH0s
I've seen these sarcophagi many times and every time I do I think they were meant for something that doesn't live here anymore.
Same for the pyramids at Giza.
These places are downright creepy to me, especially because their engineering defies rational explanation where their alleged origins are concerned.
Why would you want to bury something in a box that weighs 70 tons? I think, because you never want to see the damned thing again. :o
Lot of talk about sound and vibrations associated with chambers and even the GP in Egypt.
Could copper and vibrations cut stone?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsqOLCXYznE
well dang it A51 i had a really good link and i lost it.. it was of the placement and instruments used to move the blocks ..and there was a picture...
i must not have bookmarked it cause i have been looking for it and having no luck
BUT
as ususall i have collected some links to read... ;D
here ya go.. i haven't read deeply just collecting them for now
http://www.trinfinity8.com/ancient-mysteries-of-sound-levitation/
Ancient Mysteries of Sound Levitation
April 8, 2015/in Blog /by Kathy J. Forti
But in 2007 a team of US physicists discovered that "superluminal acoustic sound waves" can actually out-perform light in speed and velocity under certain conditions. With that finding, the potential for sound-based technology became even more apparent.
..................................
http://www.nature.com/news/2004/041213/full/news041213-5.html
Mystery of 'chirping' pyramid decoded
Acoustic analysis shows how temple transforms echoes into sounds of nature.
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https://www.cymascope.com/cyma_research/egyptology.html
Cymatics Experiment in the Great Pyramid
Introduction
The ancient Egyptians laid the foundations of many sciences and some of their discoveries influenced Greek and Roman science. In the field of acoustics we know from the Roman architect, Vetruvius, that acoustic techniques were employed in both the Roman and Greek cultures; but were their architects inspired by acoustical knowledge obtained from ancient Egypt?
Philip Ball
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http://robertbauval.co.uk/articles/articles_guest/pos.html
Pyramid of Secrets - The Singing Pyramid and the Myth of Creation
© By Alan Alford
ADAPTED from ŚPyramid of Secretsą by Alan F. Alford, published by Eridu Books, Walsall, England, in May 2003. Copyright 2003 Alan F. Alford. This article first appeared in THE DAILY MAIL, London, England, Saturday June 21st, 2003. ŚPyramid of Secretsą and its companion volume "The Midnight Sun".
www.eridu.co.uk
and a couple more
http://www.human-resonance.org/tibetan_levitation.html
analysis
This is direct eyewitness evidence of existing Tibetan techniques of acoustic levitation using drums and giant trumpets (above) made of resonant metal alloys, in combination with concave piezoelectric stone transducers to focus the sounds produced:
In the middle of the meadow, about 250 metres from the cliff, was a polished slab of rock with a bowl like cavity in the centre. The bowl had a diameter of one metre and a depth of 15 centimetres.
Use of such instruments has also been clearly identified in the ancient cultural context of the Nile region of Egypt, where large levitation instruments litter the area surrounding the pyramids at Giza (below). This ancient knowledge informs the cosmology of the Tibetan Buddhist traditions, which provide profound ancient Sanskrit teachings, as exemplified by those of Chögyam Trungpa.
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http://www.labyrinthina.com/grid-harmonics-levitation-in-tibet.html
Grid Harmonics & Levitation in Tibet
The following report is based on observations which were made only 20 years ago in Tibet.
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http://davidpratt.info/gravity2.htm
*The acoustic and magnetic levitation techniques currently under development by mainstream scientists create a physical lifting force stronger than the force of gravity and do not modify gravity or generate an antigravitational force.
I think you folks are definately on the right track here.
Sound and frequencies were used in both levitation and in the cutting of the stones, imo.
Quote from: micjer on April 05, 2017, 02:26:01 PM
I think you folks are definately on the right track here.
Sound and frequencies were used in both levitation and in the cutting of the stones, imo.
Yes they were definitely; no slaves hauling stones from wherever that's for sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UhYJfldByE
The Egyptians also left us many statues with glass eyes -
(http://www.egyptian-museum-berlin.com/bilder/g_c_augsnblicke_01.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DkbrP4Rh2mk/UzMGiB4ZtSI/AAAAAAAAAPo/m-ci-gU-lQU/s1600/blue-eyed-egyptian4.jpg)
(http://www.egyptorigins.org/images/06_rahotep.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eHx4RnJ9ir4/UzL6jvXIWXI/AAAAAAAAAPE/A7lIoCSw4Go/s1600/blue-eyed-egyptian8.jpg%5Bhttp://www.egyptorigins.org/images/07_nofret.jpg/img%5D%3Cbr%20/%3E%3Cbr%20/%3E%5Bimg%5Dhttps://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/76/6e/d5/766ed5488ad733f77aef614d5743be94.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kApbogv_DoE/UzL-m3YDWjI/AAAAAAAAAPQ/9ylrO2XNxvc/s1600/blue-eyed-egyptian5.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/36/f9/c1/36f9c14142ff8500018553db6922e51c.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/64/31/f3/6431f3a02576b572525c5ad4b9286ec1.jpg)
(http://news.nationalgeographic.com/content/dam/news/2015/11/24/kingtut/01_TUT.jpg)
These eyes were made in 3D and demonstrate their knowledge of and ability to, create lenses.
This glass came from the several thousands of glass shards mysteriously littering the desert floor (as if from a huge hot meteorite which crashed in the desert sands eons ago).
Cutting shaping and polishing glass lenses would be no problem for them as evidenced by their stone cutting shaping and polishing prowess.
As evidenced by experiments in Egypt, building fires in rectangular boxes along the proposed cutting lines on bedrock, followed by dousing with cold vinegar made the cut lines much easier to accomplish than cut lines without this treatment.
Imagine then using a huge magnifying glass lens on a sled, under the Egyptian sun to treat or even melt stone for cutting.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_e3hZxq26KNU/TERrv_oCB3I/AAAAAAAABzU/veM0_NoPmIs/s1600/magnifying-glass.jpg)
...Such lenses could also be used for smelters, melting metals before pouring into molds.
The Egyptians have been found to have recovered several meteorites and secreted them away, never telling anyone.
Did they melt any of these down, only to find the strongest metal known to anyone at the time?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb86OzFeuXo
At last, a detailed look at all of the stone boxes in the Serapeum of Saqqara -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5-qMYhg8AU
Quote from: A51Watcher on April 09, 2017, 05:20:55 AM
...Such lenses could also be used for smelters, melting metals before pouring into molds.
The Egyptians have been found to have recovered several meteorites and secreted them away, never telling anyone.
Did they melt any of these down, only to find the strongest metal known to anyone at the time?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb86OzFeuXo
Let us not forget the iron dagger found buried with King Tut, reported to be meteoric in origin...
I have one of those magnifiers mounted in a frame; it was used to melt gold dust in the Arizona sun outside of Quartzsite 8)
Seeker
Quote from: The Seeker on June 05, 2017, 03:01:34 AM
Let us not forget the iron dagger found buried with King Tut, reported to be meteoric in origin...
I have one of those magnifiers mounted in a frame; it was used to melt gold dust in the Arizona sun outside of Quartzsite 8)
Seeker
Quite correct about King Tut's dagger Seeker, gold for you for paying attention to detail.
Having now seen a full tour of the Serapeum, I am quite curious about the long hallways of sealed off walls.
The boxes themselves appear to be intended as either burglar proof, or as Irene would say, meant to keep something in which you did not want to escape.
Quote from: A51Watcher on June 05, 2017, 04:51:09 AM
Quite correct about King Tut's dagger Seeker, gold for you for paying attention to detail.
8)
QuoteHaving now seen a full tour of the Serapeum, I am quite curious about the long hallways of sealed off walls.
The boxes themselves appear to be intended as either burglar proof, or as Irene would say, meant to keep something in which you did not want to escape.
Indeed 8) I am curious as to the inscriptions shown on several of the boxes; I haven't had time to research any of the available data , so I have many unanswered basic questions, such as, are they still excavating and finding more stuff, and exactly how large is the already excavated area?
Seeker
Quote from: The Seeker on June 05, 2017, 12:06:50 PM
8)
Indeed 8) I am curious as to the inscriptions shown on several of the boxes; I haven't had time to research any of the available data , so I have many unanswered basic questions, such as, are they still excavating and finding more stuff, and exactly how large is the already excavated area?
Seeker
Here is a diagram of what rooms and tunnels have been discovered so far -
(http://www.worldhistory.biz/uploads/posts/2015-09/187q-138.jpg)
There is no further excavation being done as far as we have been told.
But those long hallways with bricked off walls certainly look worthy of investigation to my eye.
Radar imaging of those walls looking for hidden chambers is warranted considering what has been found so far.
Last night I watched another video of a tour of the Serapeum conducted by our favorite tour guide Yusef, and he pointed out in detail all of the the melting stone liquid visible on one of the boxes.
The photographer felt the stone in those places and remarked that it almost felt sticky there.
He then asked if a sample of that material had been taken and analyzed.
Yusef replied "Uhhh....no" in a tone that indicated no one had thought of that before.
"as to the inscriptions shown on several of the boxes" ...Yusef has pointed out in several areas of Egypt there are megalithic ruins that have been discovered by the Egyptians and renovated to suit their purposes.
These boxes appear to be the same. He points out the extremely poor quality of these attempted inscriptions by the Egyptians.
The new examples of stone melting liquid (alchemy as Yusef calls it) begins at 26:45
I have only seen 2 boxes with inscriptions on them, the first is discussed at 6:40, the second at 31:20.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxgHeh9Mlrg&t=2091s
The second one displays the terrible workmanship of the attempted scribbles barely scratching the surface of this granite.
He also points out the the Cartouche (the seal of whose property this is) has been left empty. This is very significant. This means it has been left open for any ruler to claim.
Apparently no Pharaoh wanted to claim such poor scribbling. They gave it a try on a couple of boxes then gave up.
Yusef has appeared as guide in several of Brian Forsters videos I have posted in this area, including the astounding 3 levels of horizontal square passageways running under the Giza Plateau.
He often points out examples of megalithic construction with renovations done by later, and less technically advanced tools and technology.
He believes the earlier more technically advanced megalithic construction was done by the Kemetian civilization who occupied this area before the Egyptians.
His credentials are pretty stout.
Quote from: A51Watcher on June 05, 2017, 09:12:48 PM
His credentials are pretty stout.
What are his credentials?
"Yousef Awyan was born, raised and still resides at his family's home in Nazlet el Saman, which lies just a few meters from the Sphinx Entrance to the Giza Plateau.
Yousef grew up listening avidly to his father, Abd'El Hakim Awyan, talk about the secrets and mysteries of ancient Khemit (Egypt).
Sharing his passion, he honors his father's memory by continuing to share his wealth of knowledge and wisdom. He is devoted to revealing, researching and teaching the amazing truths of Egypt's and our collective heritage."
His father was also a Master Tour Guide all his adult life and as a child played in the 3 story underground square passages in stone beneath the Giza Plateau and even swimming in parts of them.
In other words he and his father have been exploring Giza their entire lives and have brought us many amazing unknown locations and evidence never before reported in MSM.
Boots on the ground are always good for research, but boots that are residents and researchers are even better.
Most interesting, A51 8) I,too, would like to see what sidescan radar shows behind those brick walls...
Correction - there is a 3rd box with inscriptions in the first tour video at 6: 06.
The Cartouche is filled in on this one as belonging to Apis the Bull.
wiki - "Apis was very important among all of the sacred animals in Egypt, and, as with the others, this importance increased as time went on.
During colonization of a conquered Egypt, Greek and Roman authors had much to say about Apis, the markings by which the black calf was recognized, the manner of his conception by a ray from heaven, his house at Memphis with a court for his disportment, the mode of prognostication from his actions, his death, the mourning at his death, his costly burial, and the rejoicings throughout the country when a new Apis was found.
Auguste Mariette's excavation of the Serapeum of Saqqara revealed the tombs of more than sixty animals, ranging from the time of Amenhotep III to that of the Ptolemaic dynasty.
At first, each animal was buried in a separate tomb with a chapel built above it."
The box at 6:30 in the 2nd tour video also has Apis listed as primary deity.
So the Egyptians tried to place ancient gods of their mythology as owners of these boxes.
Quote from: A51Watcher on April 09, 2017, 04:43:38 AM
The Egyptians also left us many statues with glass eyes -
(http://news.nationalgeographic.com/content/dam/news/2015/11/24/kingtut/01_TUT.jpg)
Is this a mandela effect? When did the turkey head come on board?
Quote from: micjer on June 06, 2017, 01:31:14 PM
Is this a mandela effect? When did the turkey head come on board?
The vulture head was used on the upper Egypt crowns and, after unification, the crowns started using both symbols from upper and lower Egypt, the vulture and the snake.
I never saw (or noticed) that before.