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The notion of the military ever voluntarily releasing top secret information has always puzzled me.
As we know that is not in their nature, it does not fit their M.O.
So who would make the colossal blunder of releasing this information to the press?
A naive Col. Blanchard? What, he thought the public had a right to know and didn't bother to check with his bosses first? ::)
Not-very-likely.
The man who actually issued this press release to the public was 1st Lt. Walter Haut -
who in the end, gave us the answer as to whose bright idea it was to issue the press release stating that the Army had 'captured' a Flying Saucer.
Before his death in 2005, he signed a sealed deathbed confession to be opened only after his passing.
Before that time, all he had ever said publicly is the Col. Blanchard called him up one day and dictated the press release to him that he wanted given to all press media.
Which is indeed true, but not the whole truth as we were later to find out.
"On Tuesday morning, July 8, I would attend the regularly scheduled staff meeting at 7:30 a.m.
Besides
Blanchard,
Marcel;
CIC Capt. Sheridan Cavitt;
Col. James I. Hopkins, the operations officer;
Major Patrick Saunders, the base adjutant;
Major Isadore Brown, the personnel officer;
Lt. Col. Ulysses S. Nero, the supply officer;
and from Carswell AAF in Fort Worth, Texas, Blanchard's boss, Brig. Gen. Roger Ramey
and his chief of staff, Col. Thomas J. DuBose were also in attendance.
...One of the main concerns discussed at the meeting was whether we should go public or not with the discovery.
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Gen.Ramey proposed a plan, which I believe originated with his bosses at the Pentagon.
Attention needed to be diverted from the more important site north of town by acknowledging the other location.
Too many civilians were already involved and the press already was informed.
I was not completely informed how this would be accomplished."
So the origin of this idea was actually the Pentagon.
And the primary motivation was -
"Attention needed to be diverted from the more important site north of town by acknowledging the other location.
Too many civilians were already involved and the press already was informed."
Now add to the equation some information that the military had, that not even the President knew -
Not only had we broken the German and Jap secret codes, but the Soviets as well.
The Venona project began in 1943, and through this project the military were well aware of how many Russian spies had infiltrated even the Manhattan project.
The very existence of this program was not revealed until a leak in 1995.
"The decrypted messages gave important insights into Soviet behavior in the period during which duplicate one-time pads were used.
With the first break into the code, Venona revealed the existence of Soviet espionage at Los Alamos National Laboratories.
Identities soon emerged of American, Canadian, Australian, and British spies in service to the Soviet government, including Klaus Fuchs, Alan Nunn May, and Donald Maclean.
Others worked in Washington in the State Department, the Treasury, Office of Strategic Services,and even the White House.
For much of its history, knowledge of Venona was restricted even from the highest levels of government.
Senior army officers, in consultation with the FBI and CIA, made the decision to restrict knowledge of Venona within the government (even the CIA was not made an active partner until 1952).
Army Chief of Staff Omar Bradley, concerned about the White House's history of leaking sensitive information, decided to deny President Truman direct knowledge of the project.
The president received the substance of the material only through FBI, Justice Department, and CIA reports on counterintelligence and intelligence matters.
He was not told the material came from decoded Soviet ciphers."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project)
The Pentagon was also well aware that New Mexico was lousy with civilian Russian spies interested in Los Alamos, White Sands and of course the 509th Atomic Air wing.
Those were undoubtedly the civilians the Pentagon was primarily concerned with 'diverting their attention' as stated by Walter Haut.
So it was the old 'bait and switch ruse' used since the debris field was the only site known to the public at that point, and the military wanted to keep it that way while they recovered and cleaned up the crash site.
And the debris field was already cordoned off.
Once that was accomplished, the weather balloon story was... 'released'.
Walter Haut, who released this headline to the media, was also allowed to see the recovered Disc and alien bodies by his commander and old friend from WWII - Col Blanchard.
They were both Bomber pilots in the same squadron who flew missions over Japanese targets during WWII.
Rumors were flying among the townsfolk who got to handle the debris.
Everyone in the US was aware of flying saucers due to the previous two weeks of daily headlines in newspapers all across the US regarding sightings of flying saucers.
The press release states -
"The many rumors regarding the flying discs became a reality yesterday when the intelligence office of the 509th (atomic) Bomb Group of the 8th Air Force, Roswell Army Air Field, was fortunate enough to gain possession of a disc through the cooperation of one of the ranchers and the sheriff's office of Chaves county."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6KIKEeplsQ
It does make one ponder exactly what they were trying to draw attention away from by making an announcement such as this shortly after the end of WW2; and considering the public reaction to Orson Well's war of the worlds broadcast just a few years previous to the war, who was pulling who's chain, and why?
seeker
Quote from: the seeker on June 28, 2016, 06:46:00 PM
It does make one ponder exactly what they were trying to draw attention away from by making an announcement such as this shortly after the end of WW2; and considering the public reaction to Orson Well's war of the worlds broadcast just a few years previous to the war, who was pulling who's chain, and why?
seeker
Well fortunately we have Walter's word as to who was pulling our chain in regards to the OP headline and subsequent weather balloon headline.
We also have Gen. Dubose's testimony about where the weather balloon debris displayed in Ramey's office came from -
"We didn't know what the hell it was. Nobody knew.
But I can tell you this — it damn sure wasn't a weather balloon. ...(Gen) McMullen said, Look, why don't you come up with something, anything you can use to get the press off our back?
So we came up with this weather balloon story, which I thought was a hell of a good idea.
Somebody got one and we ran it up a couple of hundred feet and dropped it to make it look like it crashed, and that's what we used...
Now I imagine, privately, some people felt bad about doing things that way. But it worked. The story stuck."
...
Yeah meaning they felt bad about using Maj. Marcel as the fall guy without telling him.
He comes out of the map room with Ramey and "Surprise!"
The debris he had recovered was gone and had been replaced with the wrecked weather balloon.
The Pentagon was playing hardball. They knew just from the performance reports they had something big.
The non- human dead crew reports probably increased their level of concern greatly.
It is fairly common knowledge that Gen. Dubose (seen next to Ramey examining the weather balloon wreckage) was his chief of staff.
But who was this Gen. McMullen that we see him refer to as asking for 'something, anything to get the press off our backs"?
His biography shows that by 1947 -
"In the fast-moving, event filled postwar period, many changes were taking place rapidly and in short succession in the Air Force.
In November 1946, General McMullen, for a short period of time, took command of the Eighth Air Force when it was reactivated at Fort Worth Army Airfield, Texas.
Two months later, in January 1947, he relinquished his command of the Eighth Air Force to Brigadier General Roger M. Ramey. General Kenney had other plans for his good friend General McMullen.
...Major General McMullen was in the position of Deputy Commander/Chief of Staff of the Strategic Air Command from January 1947 to October 1948.
While in this position the Air Corps was separated from the US Army in September 1947 and became the Department of the United States Air Force. General McMullen was officially transferred from the Army Air Corps to the United States Air Force and retained the rank of Major General in the post war/Cold War period of the United States."
i think the ufo was a 2 part system. with the hull being what is shown to all. the propulsion and aliens travelling further down range before crashing.
i also suspect skinny bob was commander and the dead were clones, but im really stretching there. as skinny bob doesnt look like other crash victims but seems to be from same era when looking at photos. the gland heads seem to be from the 1938 crash near or in germany, as photos of russian and hitler show an alien with a gladular type head. then what looks like alien bodies in a cold storage all seem to be burned gland heads.
also want to add, there was a interview with mickey roonies wife and she said the red head sargent was her dad. this ties hollywood with aliens. very thinly ties.
*a card starts to roll unnervingly from it's point in the not to distant future*
funbox
Quote from: Sinny on September 11, 2016, 04:51:37 PM
I read the whole Remote Viewing forum last night, and there is nothing in there which Alex Constantine hasn't already covered, and covered better.
I find it strange that a forum such as this would omit such researchers and omit such exercises in critical thinking...
Just curious - Are you saying that IN YOUR OPINION, "remote viewing" equates to critical thinking/critical research?? If so, what part of the physical world of science and research accepts such as even fairy-land believable? If such be so, then call in the witches and the voodoo spirits to get to the real truth of the "outta this world stuff"! ;D
Quote from: funbox on September 11, 2016, 06:00:44 PM
reminds me of the tribe that built a plane in homage to those u.s forces that landed there .. strange that , clearly though the u.s plane that landed there was a delusion brought on by generations of interbreeding :D
funbox
edit because of: wolves dressed in sheep skin ballerina outfits
Kind of like the movie 'The Gods Must Be Crazy' yeah?
*the tentacle crashes down , under the squelchy mess, is left a card *
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*the usual distant m.f.b snickering can be heard one chuckles slightly louder than the other momentarily*
funbox
Quote from: A51Watcher on September 11, 2016, 06:30:58 PM
Kind of like the movie 'The Gods Must Be Crazy' yeah?
not seen that movie , but yeah , duality resides everywhere, from top to downside to the extravagantly interwoven , there's no escaping the positive and negative :D
permeated in all I believe
funbox
C'mon boxy quit holding out on us, where's the Karla Kniption card?
Quote from: A51Watcher on September 11, 2016, 07:51:05 PM
C'mon boxy quit holding out on us, where's the Karla Conniption card?
Karla conniption is not in my mind , what is this of which you speak ?
boxyBox
Quote from: funbox on September 11, 2016, 07:53:41 PM
Karla conniption is not in my mind , what is this of which you speak ?
boxyBox
Karla was yet another luminary member with, 'issues' ...
aka John Hutchison
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q69MSdynxY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws52w_qiLHA
Quote from: A51Watcher on September 11, 2016, 08:20:44 PM
Karla was yet another luminary member with, 'issues' ...
aka John Hutchison
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q69MSdynxY
:D , defiantly one for the cards, seems like he's either got a little too close to the material , or been splined by a Tero psi weapon :D
funbox
Quote from: funbox on September 11, 2016, 08:34:21 PM
:D , defiantly one for the cards, seems like he's either got a little too close to the material , or been splined by a Tero psi weapon :D
funbox
or the Deros found him too bitchy.
He did a Karla video about Peggy not supporting his project to connect wires directly to trees to stop Fuki radiation.
I just checked and it's gone now but plenty of new Karla videos -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsMlJtb1esQ
He(?) and his wife (Handler) were quite rude to everyone on Peggy who did not agree with their ideas.
eta: while his early career showed signs of brilliance, he apparently did not have the good sense to inhabit a Faraday cage whilst powering up his large intense magnetic fields.
Quote from: A51Watcher on September 11, 2016, 08:42:46 PM
or the Deros found him too bitchy.
He did a Karla video about Peggy not supporting his project to connect wires directly to trees to stop Fuki radiation.
I just checked and it's gone now but plenty of new Karla videos -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsMlJtb1esQ
He(?) and his wife (Handler) were quite rude to everyone on Peggy who did not agree with their ideas.
eta: while his early career showed signs of brilliance, he apparently did not have the good sense to inhabit a Faraday cage whilst powering up his large intense magnetic fields.
indeed , and I doubt he was one of the 20% :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O_aGlm9QjU
funbox
so essentially your saying Hutchinson/Carla I a moden day Maria Curie , poisoned by his own experiments
hmm , kinda like a backfire card I guess .. formulating :D
funbox
Quote from: funbox on September 11, 2016, 09:24:57 PM
indeed , and I doubt he was one of the 20% :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O_aGlm9QjU
funbox
How simple! First turn them into an amnesiac via chemicals, then feed them the desired narrative through the helmet.
Much easier and effective than the old methods.
Quote from: A51Watcher on September 11, 2016, 09:37:58 PM
How simple! First turn them into an amnesiac via chemicals, then feed them the desired narrative through the helmet.
Much easier and effective than the old methods.
how are you with the dice ?
*an exceptionally large shadow looms across the earth as a card falls down through the clouds and lands lightly into the board*
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:D
funbox
Quote from: funbox on September 11, 2016, 09:56:49 PM
how are you with the dice ?
Apparently quite good considering the various sharp turns in my investigative career.
As I've said before, the only way to get real answers is not from reading words from others or watching videos or pictures, but is to get off your duff and go out into the real world and do some research of your own.
Period.
Then you have answers you know to be real.
Btw luv the card lol
We need some gum to package in with the full set for collectors.
The kind with liquid centers.
Quote from: A51Watcher on September 11, 2016, 10:17:33 PM
Apparently quite good considering the various sharp turns in my investigative career.
As I've said before, the only way to get real answers is not from reading words from others or watching videos or pictures, but is to get off your duff and go out into the real world and do some research of your own.
Period.
Then you have answers you know to be real.
Btw luv the card lol
We need some gum to package in with the full set for collectors.
The kind with liquid centers.
Liquors? for the connoisseur player? , a game for adults one might say. . maybe even the inclusion of high risk forfeits.. will ponder on it :D
funbox
Speaking of past luminaries with unprotected scrambled magnetospheres, let's not forget TT Brown's daughter Linda whose personality was as Jekyll/Hyde- ish as Karla's any day.
Her minions (the evil flying monkeys from the OZ movie) not content with spewing acetic innuendo at all who dared disagree with the Queen, finally decided to accuse me of the being the great Mikado! ::) ;)
Now it's the AFOSI Aviary!
Critical thinking obviously rules that one out as well.
Especially from those here that have actually made the effort to get to know me personally.
They exist.
They took film. ;)
eta: But you see what we have to put up with. No worries, I have much experience around UFO events in the public, so I am not dismayed or distracted.
It comes with the territory.
Also when you are not guessing at answers like loud blowhards fancy, and instead have found them, it naturally colors your perspective.
Quote from: A51Watcher on September 11, 2016, 10:34:04 PM
Speaking of past luminaries with scrambled magnetospheres, let's not forget TT Brown's daughter Linda whose personality was as Jekyll/Hyde- ish as Karla's any day.
Her minions (the evil flying monkeys from the OZ movie) not content with spewing acetic innuendo at all who dared disagree with the Queen, finally decided to accuse me of the being the great Mikado! ::) ;)
Now it's the AFOSI Aviary!
Critical thinking obviously rules that one out as well.
Especially from those here that have actually made the effort to get to know me personally.
They exist.
They took film. ;)
not to mention poor ole Tesla, at least he had the good sense to use a faraday, but luckily for the pigeons this was not the case , some instances must have slipped his nets
funbox
Quote from: funbox on September 11, 2016, 10:38:55 PM
not to mention poor ole Tesla, at least he had the good sense to use a faraday, but luckily for the pigeons this was not the case , some instances must have slipped his nets
funbox
Agreed poor ole Tesla was unaware of for whom the industrial bell tolls.
I'm afraid his gear is packed up in wooden crates in that govt warehouse in the Indiana Jones movie.
Another bell to be aware of is how many UFO researchers have met an untimely demise under 'mysterious circumstances' and what subjects they were nosing around in.
Current research on Tesla I've read indicates a great interest in natural pockets of inductance in the Earth's magnetosphere as indicated by local Aurora's.
Thanks Mike. I'd forgotten about that lunatic. Not the most attractive video I've ever seen. It's put me off my eggs on toast! :o
Final note to Sinny - any thread you cannot maintain your composure in, and proceed with a civil tone, you should just avoid posting in.
Waltzing in like a raging maniac and spewing obscenities at someone you disagree with will never provide desirable results for anyone.
It's just common sense. Acting otherwise just shows you are lacking in it.
It also shows you are lacking in evidentiary support.
And needing someone to point that fact out to you is further evidence of same.
I have removed all your posts from this thread for obvious reasons.
Until further notice please refrain from posting in any of my threads - until you learn how to interact with others in a public forum following commonly accepted norms of civility and debate.
You may rant and rail all you like in your own threads with your own research.
Now then back on topic for a moment, I think the revelation that the military in cahoots with the FBI and CIA decided on their own to withhold soviet ciphers from the president (and by extension the entire US government) for decades is a total bombshell!
So what ELSE have they decided on their own to withhold from the public and even the government??
And for how long??
Inquiring minds want to know. ::)
Quote from: Pimander on September 12, 2016, 09:45:49 AM
Thanks Mike. I'd forgotten about that lunatic. Not the most attractive video I've ever seen. It's put me off my eggs on toast! :o
Yeah the eggs and the sausage, were definitely off the menu that day for me as well. :o
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Quote from: A51Watcher on September 11, 2016, 11:12:16 PM
Another bell to be aware of is how many UFO researchers have met an untimely demise under 'mysterious circumstances' and what subjects they were nosing around in.
What about the one who had footage of craft who ended up in a psychiatric unit? Paul B
So When is Chris Lambright going to tell us how he got the stills? Who has that fuc4ing tape(s)? He was replying to me until I specifically asked about that. ::)
I can see some of the places that seem to trigger alarm bells. ;)
QuoteCurrent research on Tesla I've read indicates a great interest in natural pockets of inductance in the Earth's magnetosphere as indicated by local Aurora's.
Careful, if you get me going on this the site will become a war-zone again.