What the Big Oil companies don't want you to know !
This guy claims that he has a simple looking system/method / device fitted to his vehicle that saves him over 50% in fuel costs or gives him over 50 % more mileage / more better efficient motoring..
Any experts on how he claims it works or if they they think its legit and worth considering...your comments are welcome !
https://www.facebook.com/anonews.co/videos/1255866307758259/?pnref=story
The website is under construction
http://how2savefuel.com/
I'm not an expert, far from it, but if the engine was burning only 30% of the gasoline and now burns 100% it means one of two things:
1 - it burns all the gasoline and hydrogen;
2 - it burns the same amount of gasoline and hydrogen.
In either case the engine would be working with much more powerful explosions inside the cylinders, so how can the engine run with such a bigger explosion happening?
Also, I doubt that such a small group of bottles could create enough hydrogen to feed a car engine, I have done water hydrolysis and the amount of gas (both hydrogen and oxygen) is very small, and the more water it converts the less water the bottles will have, and he shows nothing of that, as if the water wasn't used in the process.
It looks like a common scam.
PS: I suppose the real system has the bottles fixed to the car, otherwise they will go rolling everywhere. ;D
Thanks for your thoughts on it ArMaP.
Do you have a Science background (Chemistry ) ? if you refer to having some experience in what they describe..
I have seen a few similar claims, but have no idea if any maybe legit or not..
If they are not and have a website to sell something..one wonders how they have not been arrested !
if its legit they take a chance that the Govt does not take action against them..
Not knowing enough about how such a thing may have worked..
If it was legit...
It was hard to say if it was just some sort of system that could be set up using simple to obtain items..such as jars..tubes ,filters, electrical components etc..that he may have been using to demonstrate it..
It may then have involved a more better safer more robust system for the final design that they install.
QuoteAlso, I doubt that such a small group of bottles could create enough hydrogen to feed a car engine, I have done water hydrolysis and the amount of gas (both hydrogen and oxygen) is very small, and the more water it converts the less water the bottles will have, and he shows nothing of that, as if the water wasn't used in the process.
It looks like a common scam.
PS: I suppose the real system has the bottles fixed to the car, otherwise they will go rolling everywhere. ;D
Quote from: astr0144 on June 26, 2016, 07:08:08 PM
Thanks for your thoughts on it ArMaP.
You're welcome. :)
QuoteDo you have a Science background (Chemistry ) ? if you refer to having some experience in what they describe..
No, I only had one year of chemistry in high school, but it was harder than I was expecting. :)
But to make water electrolysis (I used the wrong name on my other post and only noticed now :) ) you only need water, a container and some DC power source, like a battery. When you connect some electrodes to the power source and put them inside the water you start seeing bubbles creating on the electrodes, but the rate of production of the gases is very slow and it uses a lot of energy.
QuoteIf they are not and have a website to sell something..one wonders how they have not been arrested !
From what I have seen, it depends on how they present it. If they sell like some kind of novelty item, without any guarantee that it work as advertised on the video then it's not illegal.
Quoteif its legit they take a chance that the Govt does not take action against them..
If this was real then why nobody has been using this for the last 100 years or more? Electrolysis is older than the four-stroke principal used in most internal combustion engines today.
From what I remember, the problem with using hydrogen is that although it's easy to produce, the amount needed to power a car is bigger than the amount of gasoline (for example), as hydrogen has an extremely low density, specially as a gas, like the system in the video appears to use, so the system would need a huge amount of hydrogen to run.
After a little search I found out that Toyota Mirai, a hydrogen-powered car, produces 240 mL of water each 4 km, or something like 1 litre of water each 16 km, and as the production of water from hydrogen engines is the result of burning the hydrogen, combining it with oxygen and creating water as a result, I suppose that car would need the same amount of water (1 litre) to be converted into its components (hydrogen and oxygen) to run for 16 km. At a speed of 64 km/h (to make it simple) that would mean running for 15 minutes and consuming the equivalent of 1 litre of water in those 15 minutes, so the system on the video would be empty after a few minutes.
Interesting Facts egs and comparisons ArMaP,
I assume that the explanation is the video is suggesting its a combination design between Std Fuel with the added Hydrogen mix as opposed to just a type of Hydrogen operated design.
from the egs you give on the Hydrogen car eg..could their be some difference in the design in the video..
Or that there is some unique new method that they have come up with that they do not fully explain that allows it to operate as is described.
That would be my only other conclusion if it could be proven.
One may wonder if they do have a genuine product ..that there maybe a forum with persons who purchased it describing their experiences if it was as good as the creators claim..
QuoteIf this was real then why nobody has been using this for the last 100 years or more? Electrolysis is older than the four-stroke principal used in most internal combustion engines today.
From what I remember, the problem with using hydrogen is that although it's easy to produce, the amount needed to power a car is bigger than the amount of gasoline (for example), as hydrogen has an extremely low density, specially as a gas, like the system in the video appears to use, so the system would need a huge amount of hydrogen to run.
Quote from: ArMaP on June 26, 2016, 08:11:22 PM
After a little search I found out that Toyota Mirai, a hydrogen-powered car, produces 240 mL of water each 4 km, or something like 1 litre of water each 16 km, and as the production of water from hydrogen engines is the result of burning the hydrogen, combining it with oxygen and creating water as a result, I suppose that car would need the same amount of water (1 litre) to be converted into its components (hydrogen and oxygen) to run for 16 km. At a speed of 64 km/h (to make it simple) that would mean running for 15 minutes and consuming the equivalent of 1 litre of water in those 15 minutes, so the system on the video would be empty after a few minutes.
Quote from: astr0144 on June 26, 2016, 11:31:02 PM
I assume that the explanation is the video is suggesting its a combination design between Std Fuel with the added Hydrogen mix as opposed to just a type of Hydrogen operated design.
The video appears to point to a mixed system with gasoline and hydrogen, but that would create some problems, as you cannot add more fuel to the cylinder and expect things to work the same.
From the little I understand about it, if you add more fuel you need to add more air, otherwise you would get a mixture that is too "rich" and that doesn't ignite when it should (or not at all), so they would probably need to change the time at which the ignition occurs or/and the energy sent to the spark-plug. It's also possible that they would need to make changes to the compression ratio, as a gasoline-hydrogen mix probably has a different ignition temperature/pressure.
So, although it's possible to do, I don't think it's something anyone can buy and connect to their car as a "ready to use" system, it would need at least some reconfiguring of the car's engine.
There are several readily available add on systems to boost fuel economy; there are several threads here covering this.
Using hydroylysis will boost fuel mileage; but most of the available kits have drawbacks for they involve using lye and are very corrosive. I have a system plan that I received from the Janitor that I am working on that eliminates the corrosive factor because it uses plain water without any additives.
There are ways to do this...
seeker
, , , , how does a nuclear sub stay under water for many months allowing the hundreds of people to breath?
When you are able to answer this question you will realize that H2O has to be "cracked" very efficiently to supply the necessary oxygen to keep everyone alive. :)
(that leaves twice as much hydrogen to be disposed of)
Quote from: Norval on June 28, 2016, 03:26:25 AM
When you are able to answer this question you will realize that H2O has to be "cracked" very efficiently to supply the necessary oxygen to keep everyone alive. :)
So you only need a nuclear reactor in your car, right? :)
Thank you for your comments..
For a Kit form it would have to be a system that worked with having to make too many or any more complex alterations to the existing engine.
It may take those who are able to make or pay for more complex changes to their engines...at the extra time and expense to do so..but it maybe worth while..
If the principle can work..and the car companies wont produce such designs..then its frustrating for us ..
QuoteThe video appears to point to a mixed system with gasoline and hydrogen, but that would create some problems, as you cannot add more fuel to the cylinder and expect things to work the same.
From the little I understand about it, if you add more fuel you need to add more air, otherwise you would get a mixture that is too "rich" and that doesn't ignite when it should (or not at all), so they would probably need to change the time at which the ignition occurs or/and the energy sent to the spark-plug. It's also possible that they would need to make changes to the compression ratio, as a gasoline-hydrogen mix probably has a different ignition temperature/pressure.
So, although it's possible to do, I don't think it's something anyone can buy and connect to their car as a "ready to use" system, it would need at least some reconfiguring of the car's engine
I know that there has been some posts about such things..
but some may vary in using differing methods.
For those who are more keen or knowledgeable on the topic one may wonder if any of them have actually obtained or tried or tested such designs and if they maybe willing to tell the results.
It maybe that many similar ideas sound good in theory but have as yet to be proven..
Also one may not want to share a system that works in the concern of big brother investigating it..
but it would be appealing and to have hope that such a system may actually work and be available..
Quote from: the seeker on June 27, 2016, 05:32:22 PM
There are several readily available add on systems to boost fuel economy; there are several threads here covering this.
Using hydroylysis will boost fuel mileage; but most of the available kits have drawbacks for they involve using lye and are very corrosive. I have a system plan that I received from the Janitor that I am working on that eliminates the corrosive factor because it uses plain water without any additives.
There are ways to do this...
seeker
Quote from: ArMaP on June 28, 2016, 05:15:17 PM
So you only need a nuclear reactor in your car, right? :)
No, I wouldn't, would you? :P
There is a whole lot of info on utube about this subject.
Much of it is helpful, some is misdirection and disinformation tactics, which tells me that there is great merit to the concept. A couple years of deep research and study, some experimentation, and you will know the truth.
WARNING ! ! !
DO NOT TRY TO MARKET WHAT YOU MAKE ! ! !
Just use it quietly and enjoy the benefits. ;)