Do Modern Televisions have hidden cameras that can monitor us ?
It has been suggested By the likes of Alex Jones that Modern Televisions may have hidden cameras or Microphones in them that maybe able to watch us in our homes. .
I had said that I had not seen Alex Jones prove that they have hidden cameras..
I am not sure if this may apply to all TVs or just the ones that also include Internet . and which also need an App.
My Television seems to have lost its Remote Control facility..where I can no longer see a red light showing on my TV that I think is needed to operate the remote facility.
so I did a search to try to find out if there maybe something that I can do to resolve the situation...I don't think its just that the batteries have ran out on my hand remote controller.
I found this from Samsung...that does suggest that they can monitor what we watch and do have hidden cameras that can be used to view us (Assuming we have an app as it suggests or maybe agree to allow them to view us)..
But can we trust that they cannot just be monitoring us at any time ???
Was anyone already aware of such a service that the likes of Samsung include or has anyone ever used such a service where you call them and they somehow are able to access and check your TV from their offices via their monitoring methods ?..
QuoteCan The Samsung Technician See What I Am Watching?
A : Yes the Samsung technician will be able to see the incoming signals picture. Through this the agent can determine if the problem is being cause by thnnects to the TV and can see a line in the image then he knows that that line is being created by the incoming signal not the TV. If the technician cannot see the line we know that there is a problem with the TVe signal or the TVs panel. For Example: If the Samsung technician co.
QuoteCan the Samsung Technician see me through a built-in TV camera?
A : A Samsung technician could see you through the built-in camera but only if they are accessing an app that uses the built in camera (Skype, Camera app, etc). The Samsung technicians will never access these types of apps while connected to your TV unless they are specifically asked to do so in order to test that particular apps functionality. You can set the camera to the closed position to prevent the technician from seeing you while accessing the application. There is no way for the technician to access your built in camera without
It does suggest that you need to be connected to the Internet..
so is this only for Internet Type Television..?
BUT How do we know that they do not have their own WIFi built in...that can be connected at all times..
Q : Does My TV Need To Be Connected To The Internet?
A : Yes, in order for the Samsung technician to access and control your TV your TV must be connected to a stable high speed network. If your TV cannot access the internet or your network connection to the TV is unstable or slow you will receive a message that you are unable to connect to the Remote Management service.
Q : Is The Remote Management Service Safe?
A : Yes, the remote management system uses a secure connection between your TV and our server. All information is stored on Samsungs servers and no third party company has access to this information. No unwanted information can be sent to your TV or any malicious programs.
Q : Can Samsung Access My TV Anytime They Want?
A : No, The Remote Management system only allows Samsung to connect to your TV for a session and once the connection is terminated Samsung cannot reconnect without a new session being initiated by you. Powering off the TV will also terminate any session immediately
http://www.samsung.com/hk_en/remotesupport/rmTvEng.html#a3
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I did not come across this when Infowars had referred to Televisions having hidden cameras..
I also have just come across this from 2009 wrote by Paul J Watson of Infowars..that does show a youtube video..
The webpage seems to have lost some images etc..
This shows a camera and Microphone within the Control box..back in 2009.. I think many TVs had these in the earlier days..now the more modern ones have them already built in..
BUT this does seem possible real proof that I wanted to see..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ4iIM8Eljc#t=54
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/february2009/021809_spy_camera.htm
QuoteHidden Spy Camera & Mic Found Inside Digital TV Box
Reason for forced digital switchover in US and UK: Government and industry watching us to build profiles, launch invasive advertising
Paul Joseph Watson
Propaganda Matrix
Wednesday, February 18, 2009
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A popular video circulating on You Tube shows the discovery of a spy camera and a microphone hidden inside a digital TV converter box. Such devices are part of a government and industry surveillance program that is undoubtedly connected to the forced digital TV switchover being rolled out in the UK and US.
"I could not believe my eyes," states the blurb accompanying the video clip, "I have a friend who is kind of a conspiracy theorist. He was trying to convince me that many of the digital TV convert boxes that are coming out have microphones and cameras built into them. Knowing a bit about electronics I bought one of these devices opened it up fully intending on proving him wrong. To my surprise he was right. This device has both a miniature camera lens and what looks like a microphone. I was so shocked I took pictures and video. Please send this out to everyone you know who is using one of these devices."
The camera and microphone were hidden inside a MAGNAVOX TB110MW9 Digital to Analog Converter box. We are not suggesting that every digital cable box has a spy camera and microphone inside, so ripping open your cable box is not a good way to prove this one way or another - but the fact remains that companies like Google and Comcast have openly announced that they plan to use hidden cameras and microphones inside their products to spy on consumers.
Watch the clip below.
The need to mandate a mass roll out of such hidden surveillance devices is undoubtedly one of the reasons that governments in both the UK and the US, as well as eventually the entire planet, are overseeing a forced switchover to digital TV and killing traditional analogue broadcasts. The vast majority of TV's require a digital decoder box to receive digital TV transmissions.
By installing covert spy devices and hidden microphones inside our all but mandatory digital boxes, the government and whatever corporate entities get a slice of the pie, have direct access to our living rooms. This is the ultimate Big Brother scenario whereby the majority of Americans and Europeans will have Orwellian telescreens watching their every move.
Many will dismiss such claims as conspiracy fodder, but the fact is that Americans have been spied on for decades, previously under the Echelon program and more recently as part of the Bush administration's warrantless wiretapping program.
As former National Security Agency analyst Russell Tice recently revealed, "The National Security Agency had access to all Americans' communications -- faxes, phone calls, and their computer communications," Tice claimed. "It didn't matter whether you were in Kansas, in the middle of the country, and you never made foreign communications at all. They monitored all communications."
As we highlighted three years ago, private industry and eventually government is planning to use microphones in the computers of an estimated 150 million-plus Internet active Americans, as well as similar devices installed inside digital TV boxes, to spy on their lifestyle choices and build psychological profiles which will be used for surveillance and minority report style invasive advertising and data mining.
Digital cable TV boxes, such as Scientific Atlanta, have had secret in-built microphones inside them since their inception in the late 1990's and these originally dormant devices were planned to be activated when the invasive advertising revolution was being rolled out, a watershed that is quickly becoming a reality.
The advent of digital video recording devices such as TiVo (Sky Plus in the UK) introduced the creation of psychological algorithm profiles - databases on what programs you watched, how long you watched them for, and which adverts you liked or didn't like. This information was retained by TiVo and sold to the highest bidders - an example being Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction during the 2003 Super Bowl half-time show; TiVo were able to compile lists of how many people had rewound the clip and how many times they had replayed it.
In 2006, Google announced that they would use in-built computer microphones to listen in on user's background noise, be it television, music or radio - and then direct advertising at them based on their preferences.
In March last year, Comcast announced that they were "experimenting with different camera technologies built into devices so it can know who's in your living room."
The cameras would use body-form recognition to confirm who was in the room and then tailor program recommendations, as well as commercials, to target that member of the family.
The video below covers the issue of secret cameras installed inside digital TV boxes and their relation to the forced digital switchover. A further video explores other motives behind the digital switchover
On February 17th 2009 all TV stations WORLDWIDE ceased using analog signals and changed to All digital signals..
IS this when the NWO started watching us all thru TV ?
I think it may suggest so ....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TiKjjyQqbA#t=13
Someone asked on yahoo answers..
Are there spy cameras in new televisions?a best reply said.....
QuoteIs it all just a conspiracy theory?
Yes, that would be the charitable way to put it.
Just think about it. To secretly put cameras in them, perhaps 10 million people working for hundreds of companies around the world would have to be in on it. And then any competent TV repair tech could blow the "secret"!
Of course, it's possible to custom build a camera into a TV, but there are far cheaper & easier ways to put a hidden camera someplace. Just google for "nanny cams".
One thing to watch is for computers and maybe even TVs that are designed for video "phone calls". Obviously they have to have cameras and hacking the Internet connection & software would make it a lot more practical to video bug someone with their own equipment.
What's your web cam doing?
Of course, if you have something like that you could just put something over the camera when you aren't using it.
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AwrBT8kEKHlXuvEAxH5XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyaHZjYzhtBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjE4NzlfMQRzZWMDc2M-?qid=20110319210217AARSnLs&p=do%20televisions%20have%20hidden%20cameras%20in%20them
ALSO ...PLEASE NOTE...
They used to send around Vans with TV monitoring equipment to tell if anyone was watching Television who had not purchased a licence..
It has been suggested that such vans no longer exist...or may have always been a myth..and that you can get away without buying a licence..
Well it maybe that they have now done away with such a service and no longer need them..as they now will be able to tell from their office if your watching and have not bought a TV licence..
But do they admit this ?
Now they also know what TV programs and interests that we have in likes of the security services / CIA profiling of all the Human population that watch Television ... as well as listening into anyone's conversations in the privacy of their own homes..
Not to mention being able to film anyone's private actions should a TV be in ones bedroom ! :o
It can all be monitored from one location or spread worldwide..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uEfRaUhpv0#t=185
QuoteYES, I firmly do believe those truly honest answers, , uh huh, , yeppers, , sure, , you betcha snookems. ::) :o ::) ;D
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Quote from: astr0144 on July 03, 2016, 04:11:57 PM
On February 17th 2009 all TV stations WORLDWIDE ceased using analog signals and changed to All digital signals..
That's not true, a quick look at Wikipedia shows it. And looked for an Wikipedia article because I remembered that Portugal didn't stop using analog TV at the start of 2009 but later (according to Wikipedia it was on April 2012)
QuoteThey used to send around Vans with TV monitoring equipment to tell if anyone was watching Television who had not purchased a licence..
Those vans worked more as a scare tactic than as a real way of detecting an unlicensed TV, as just one van wouldn't be able to detect the location of a TV, they would need at least two to detect the source of any signal used in the detection. I also doubt their equipment could detect a TV on the 20th floor of a building.
As for modern TV having camera, sure it's possible, as modern TV are more like computers than TVs, but if 80% of a country's TVs are on at a specific time, who's monitoring that? How many people would they need for doing the monitoring? Yes, it could be an automated system, but how would it work? And either a manual or automated system would need some way of recording the information gathered, otherwise it wouldn't make any sense in having the monitoring in place, so where do they store all that information?
Possible? Yes. Likely? I don't think so. And you only have to know a little about electronics to be able to open a TV and look for a camera and/or a microphone, specially when you think that a camera needs to have a "window" through which it can catch an image.
PS: the lack of light on your TV may mean only that the light is out of order while the rest is still working, the light is only there to give people a sign that the system is working, the light is not needed for the system to work.
Good observation ArMap !
I wrote all Worldwide based from what The 1st webpage video I posted indicated that it was all from Feb 2009..
But the 3rd video does show various dates from places around the world and it does show Portugal as being 2012..if one looks at the places and dates and can see it being shown..
Russia was shown as converting in 2015 and Brasil 2016....that seems the latest country to do so..
The main point being however it does seem there's an agenda to make it worldwide maybe by 2020..and most of the world does now seem converted..
QuoteThat's not true, a quick look at Wikipedia shows it. And looked for an Wikipedia article because I remembered that Portugal didn't stop using analog TV at the start of 2009 but later (according to Wikipedia it was on April 2012
I had read about online ...Is the TV detector vans for real on several websites ? and forums..and got various comments about it...many suggesting it was a scare tactic but some (only a few overall) had suggested that they had been caught by such vans.
so I am not really sure..
I am also not sure how you know what you suggest ! ie that they need 2 vans each time that they detect someone.
is this like a triangulation (or Bi-angle )method ?
It would be difficult to detect those in high buildings I would think..but most populations live in lower buildings..
QuoteThose vans worked more as a scare tactic than as a real way of detecting an unlicensed TV, as just one van wouldn't be able to detect the location of a TV, they would need at least two to detect the source of any signal used in the detection. I also doubt their equipment could detect a TV on the 20th floor of a building.
It would seem unlikely that they could monitor everything at all times... or save each days information... the files needed would be huge...
BUT it maybe like the internet with modern TVs where they can monitor each program you watch..like each website we visit when on the internet..
But to be monitoring all our activities thru cameras.. would seem less likely..
it maybe that they would only do so if they had reason to do so.. but at least they have another possible way to monitor us in our homes from a far..without having spooks outside our house listening in..
They may have many targeted individuals however that they constantly monitor...ie anyone who they have any concerns about who maybe on some sort of list...which could be in the thousands or more..
When we go online ...I believe we could use proxy servers so that they cannot match our real online activity or detect the websites we visit from our ISPs..
MAYBE we should ALL try to use Proxy servers at all times..
but we cannot do this with the Television monitoring as far as I know.. unless someone knows away around it..where it maybe similar to using a proxy server..to bypass TV digital signals..
QuoteAs for modern TV having camera, sure it's possible, as modern TV are more like computers than TVs, but if 80% of a country's TVs are on at a specific time, who's monitoring that? How many people would they need for doing the monitoring? Yes, it could be an automated system, but how would it work? And either a manual or automated system would need some way of recording the information gathered, otherwise it wouldn't make any sense in having the monitoring in place, so where do they store all that information?
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Im not clear which you maybe suggesting ! you give various options.
Is there a hidden window..maybe they use what seems opaque panels on the front of the tv when looking from the viewers side but it can see us ok from the other side of it or it may act like a two way mirror..
It does however all suggest what Alex Jones said about it is liely to be truth as I know we had questioned this before and we did not seem to have been shown any proof..
DO the Smart meters also have such things within them as he also suggests..or the new Street lights ..
I did call a specialist company that delt with EMF issues that I referred to in my Street light thread and that suggested that it was very unlikely that the Street Lights would create any radiation problems or have any such devices.. as yet...they say the radiation / voltage electric effects are too low on present general public street lighting..
they also said the same for Smart meters..
BUT How does those things compare to TV electrical supply ?
If TV could also both have camera's and maybe a radiation concern.. could Present new Street lights also be so ?
Maybe TVs use higher electrical activity..than say smart meters..or street lights..
(I am yet to write / update about this in my Street Light thread)
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QuotePossible? Yes. Likely? I don't think so. And you only have to know a little about electronics to be able to open a TV and look for a camera and/or a microphone, specially when you think that a camera needs to have a "window" through which it can catch an image.
I am sure that the red light had been permanently on ..when looking at the TV...
it now comes on when I initially switch the TV on then disappears..
The hand remote was not working... but after I moved around the batteries... it did work on one occasion... then seems to have stopped working again..
It maybe the batteries..need replacing and that the red light only comes on if it detects the hand remote and detects the power from the batteries..
Im not really sure how it is supposed to work..
Quote
PS: the lack of light on your TV may mean only that the light is out of order while the rest is still working, the light is only there to give people a sign that the system is working, the light is not needed for the system to work.
Quote from: astr0144 on July 03, 2016, 05:53:28 PM
The main point being however it does seem there's an agenda to make it worldwide maybe by 2020..and most of the world does now seem converted..
I think it's just a natural transition, and as the companies that make the TV studio equipments stop making analog equipments the TV stations have to move to digital, unless they want to keep on using old technology.
QuoteI am also not sure how you know what you suggest ! ie that they need 2 vans each time that they detect someone.
With just one van they could detect, for example, that there was a TV on directly north of where the van was, but that doesn't tell them the distance, so they either move the van to a different place or need to have a second van. Moving the van to a different place and getting a signal from a TV doesn't guarantee that it's the same they detected before, as that may have been turned off and the new one turned on while they were moving, the only sure way of detecting the source of any radio signal (or any other signal, even visual) is to detect it from two different positions, as the cross made by the direction detected from both detectors will point the exact location of the signal.
Also, in that case of the TV vans, how did they know that the TV was licensed or not? As far as I know nothing was done to the TV itself, so the signal from a TV could be from a licensed or from an unlicensed TV.
QuoteBUT it maybe like the internet with modern TVs where they can monitor each program you watch..like each website we visit when on the internet..
Besides Internet TVs, don't forget those boxes connected to the Internet/TV provider, like the one I have at home, as those are a different case. While I can buy a TV and do whatever I want with it, even opening it and taking all pieces apart, I can't do that to the box, as those are not bought, they are owned by the provider.
In my case, when connected to my home network I can see the box appear on the network as just another computer, and, if I'm not mistaken, this one uses Windows XP Media Center edition. As those boxes (and sometimes the cable modems (they are not really modems, they have a different name that I don't remember)) are made by the provider or made specifically for the provider, they can have whatever they want in those, cameras, microphones, whatever. Sure, it would be a risk, as if anyone would open one box or cable modem they could see whatever they had in there and sue them, but, like any other risk, their use would depend on the risk being worth some gain.
QuoteIs there a hidden window..maybe they use what seems opaque panels on the front of the tv when looking from the viewers side but it can see us ok from the other side of it or it may act like a two way mirror..
Yes, you would need to open the TV and see from inside if there is any window that shows what's happening in front of the TV. Or, as a precautionary measure, just put some tape or something like that over the front of the TV, many people do that with their laptop cameras. :)
I amended some of my last post that you may not have noticed as yet..
I have never come across what you suggest about having to use two vans...
In the UK from what I think I understand how they may operate or work or how they may select who and where they visit..
In the UK all households who own a TV are expected to purchase a licence..
I think however that they can only fine you if they catch you using the television ,should you be using it without having bought a licence..
IF you buy a NEW Television from any Shop or Business place of purchase (even online)...they ALWAYS take your details....ie name and address by LAW..
SO you then have your details become placed in a system related to the TV Licence company...
ALSO if you already have a TV ,they send you a reminder each year when your already on the system..
YOU have to tell them if you do not update the licence each year that you no longer have a TV.. then you don't have to pay..
BUT they may come around to check on you at any time...
If you either bought a new TV or held an existing TV and do NOT buy or update the licence... the TV Company become alerted..
YOU ARE NOW ON THEIR MAIN LIST OF NON PAYERS..
SO they now have a list of people who they may send around a TV detector van...and they do warn you about this..
Whether or not it is true or not, I do not know !
It may depend upon how ones house is situated and where it is..as to can they easily tell if you have a TV on in your home and only need one van..
For where I live I think that they could easily tell which houses have a licenced TV on or not !
IF you had NOT had a TV before and bought a 2nd hand one.. it may well be that it is very unlikely you will be detected..
at least in the old analog days..
BUT it maybe that the newer digital ones, we are all being monitored..
QuoteAlso, in that case of the TV vans, how did they know that the TV was licensed or not? As far as I know nothing was done to the TV itself, so the signal from a TV could be from a licensed or from an unlicensed TV.
Many people now use sky or a type of networking TV / Internet / Phone service all in one and do use special boxes etc from the companies..
But you can just obtain separate services and not have any box..
and just have a TV..
as I did mention.. yes , the videos show the cameras in the boxes ..but also more modern TVs since that 2009 video probably have cameras built in..as I no longer need a box on my TV to watch what we call Freeview..were as a few years ago i did..
but even then ,often the boxes were out of sight so any cameras in them may be no good or capable of watching anything unless they were set up say on top of the OLD type TVs or on some sort of stand..and facing in the right direction..
QuoteBesides Internet TVs, don't forget those boxes connected to the Internet/TV provider, like the one I have at home, as those are a different case. While I can buy a TV and do whatever I want with it, even opening it and taking all pieces apart, I can't do that to the box, as those are not bought, they are owned by the provider.
In my case, when connected to my home network I can see the box appear on the network as just another computer, and, if I'm not mistaken, this one uses Windows XP Media Center edition. As those boxes (and sometimes the cable modems (they are not really modems, they have a different name that I don't remember)) are made by the provider or made specifically for the provider, they can have whatever they want in those, cameras, microphones, whatever. Sure, it would be a risk, as if anyone would open one box or cable modem they could see whatever they had in there and sue them, but, like any other risk, their use would depend on the risk being worth some gain.
yes if you think you know where a camera is you can cover it !
QuoteAnd either a manual or automated system would need some way of recording the information gathered, otherwise it wouldn't make any sense in having the monitoring in place, so where do they store all that information?
They wouldn't need to really simply use it when they want to observe someone for a reason. So it would be available like the new power company meters they could be used for various spying also.
Quote from: astr0144 on July 03, 2016, 05:53:28 PM
is this like a triangulation (or Bi-angle )method ?
Yes.
QuoteBUT it maybe like the internet with modern TVs where they can monitor each program you watch..like each website we visit when on the internet..
With the modern TVs and/or boxes they probably get statistics about which channels we watch and what time we watch them, as those informations have commercial value.
QuoteWhen we go online ...I believe we could use proxy servers so that they cannot match our real online activity or detect the websites we visit from our ISPs..
Are you talking about going online using the TV? The browser knows that sites you visit, a proxy wouldn't make a difference if the browser gives them that information.
Using a normal computer, we control the browser and we can tell it not to store our browser history, on a "smart TV" I don't know how things work.
QuoteDO the Smart meters also have such things within them as he also suggests..or the new Street lights ..
What things?
QuoteMaybe TVs use higher electrical activity..than say smart meters..or street lights..
The higher the power used the higher radiation it emits, so a LED light emits very low radiation, as it works at a maximum of 12 V (I think). The thing emits most radiation is an old style TV or computer monitor, a cathode ray tube emits lots of radiation, not only the EM radiation you are talking about but also some electrons that are able to go through the glass and out into the air. Being low energy particles with an electrical charge they don't go more than a few centimetres into the air, so they are armless, unless you keep your nose glued to the screen. :)
Quote from: astr0144 on July 03, 2016, 06:53:45 PM
I amended some of my last post that you may not have noticed as yet..
Thanks for the warning, I didn't notice it, that's why I only edit posts to make small changes, most people do not go back to read older posts. :)
QuoteIF you buy a NEW Television from any Shop or Business place of purchase (even online)...they ALWAYS take your details....ie name and address by LAW..
That makes their job easier.
Quote from: Dyna on July 03, 2016, 07:27:32 PM
They wouldn't need to really simply use it when they want to observe someone for a reason.
For that it makes sense, but only for that, and I don't think that the TV makers would put a camera on all TVs just in case someone wanted to spy on someone else. If some TVs have cameras it's cheaper for the maker to have the same hardware for all models, even if the camera isn't there, only the place where it should be.
QuoteSo it would be available like the new power company meters they could be used for various spying also.
There isn't much to spy when the meters are outside the house.
QuoteSo it would be available like the new power company meters they could be used for various spying also.
Quote from: ArMaP on July 03, 2016, 10:18:25 PM
There isn't much to spy when the meters are outside the house.
"Spying" is a relative term :P As ArmaP says there is little to spy on outside the house. They can watch my garbage cans :P
What the smart meter can do is record when you use power... like when your AC comes on or you strat your pool pump. A toaster or microwave uses a set amount of power so they would be able to record when you turn those on Same as your oven... This info doesn't really effect you but allows them to figure out peak power usage for a given zone.
The water company put in a smart meter last year. I was getting very high water bills but they said nothing wrong with the old meter :P Two weeks after my complaint they snuck in the new smart meter and my water bill dropped to about a third :-X
The smart meter lets them know if you arre watering the lawn outside the allowed cycles but it also notifies them of a leak and they call you. So no worries...
As for the camera in the TV Any camera needs a hole or window to view from... if their is a camera hole on the TV use a small piece of DUCT TAPE to cover it when you are not using it Problem solved :P
If you use Skype... you deserve to be watched :P
Now then what exactly are you up to that warrants watching you? Hmmm?
99% of 'spying' is done to profile you for advertizing. Use adblocker and problem solved
You might get extra junk mail in the mailbox... so what toss it in the trash or use it for pet liners or packaging material. Ypou don't have to read them or buy from them. And it keeps the post office employed :P
All things considered if your internet OUTGOING signals are under control ie STEALTH MODE, NO ONE can collect any data on you
A cable box can monitor what you watch and when and they can tell if you have more than one TV on a cable. This is simply a function of power drain on the channels or line.. not rocket science :P
im 100% dish network was using me. im the only person i know that dish canceled me. thats right, i would cuss them from in my living room. for all thegarbage i was paying for, then hacking dish, lop, glp. the final straw was jade helm.
after they shut me off, their always on weather channel screwed w me one night around 2.they had 2 girls get on screen and say always on for weather and earthquakes, then they looked at each other like they couldnt believe what they just read on the teleprompters. theythen repeated same vid about 40 minutes later. i suspect they are in denver bunker.
thats part of why i believe im in some kind of truman show bs. too much crazy crap happens to me.
add that with the neighbor and the microwave, pwm and me hacking fusion then lockheed admitting they had it about a week later, all the cops screwing with me, i can take it but man this is one crazy frickin world i live in.