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I just watched this Horizon Program about a suggestion that Scientists working at Cern LHC had recently thought that they had found some new unique super type particle... that may have even been related to Dark Matter or offer some further explanations towards gravity..

It showed up as a large spike on some charts that they use that shows the data that had not been detected before.

The program shows how they went on to try to confirm if what had been discovered was a one off or if it may had been a consistent..

and two teams were involved in checking it out..........

(I think one of the teams was from another Partical accelerator) but was able to somehow test for it..

The program gave some interesting insights into some of the basic particle matter model that they have discovered so far.. and also some scientists explained how there are some things that they believe are missing that they are trying to discover ..that I think they described as like a anti - symmetrical particles to the existing ones that  they know already  exist..

The suggestion that one scientist described that this new discovery may had been a particle related to dark matter was exciting to consider...

Then another Scientist believed that the new discovered particle may had been related to some explanations of gravity..

He went on to suggest that gravity as we know it is weak... and to prove it.. he dropped a paper clip onto a table and than used a small magnet that lifts it back up...in which we see the paperclip quickly lift off the table towards the magnet..

He says Electro magnetism is much stronger than gravity.

In that eg it was a metal object... he does not say why we cannot do something similar to a similar object that is a NON metal !!! which most things are...

Has he missed explaining something here ?

or should defying gravity in a similar way for non metal objects also be possible..

So maybe Gravity should easily be overcome I would wonder.... why are we not easily aware how to do so.

THOUGHT.....

IF E.Ts are here... and in contact with Scientists..

WOULD WE THINK They KNOW the answers to these questions !!!

IF so what are we humans doing messing around with the L.H.C ???

Are they misleading us ? Watching the program with all that seem to be involved it would seem hard to believe..

or Maybe Aliens are not here with the answers ?

but when we do see a object easily lifted by a small magnet... you would think that Defying gravity should not be difficult IMO...

What was the conclusion of the tests that they carried out to try to conclude if this new particle was for real or not ?

Maybe you better watch the Program unless you want me to tell you !  :)

QuoteHorizon Special: Inside CERN

Episode 13
Wednesday 10th, August, 8:00pm - 9:00pm

BBC TwoBBC Two
With exclusive behind-the-scenes access, this special edition of the science magazine follows an extraordinary story in the field of particle physics. In June 2015, teams at CERN started running the Large Hadron Collider at maximum energy. Rumours quickly emerged that they were on the brink of a huge discovery. A mysterious bump in some data suggested a new particle that could change our understanding of how the universe works. Such a particle could hint at extra dimensions and help us understand the very beginning of the universe, but first the team has to find it. The programme follows the scientists as they hunt for the elusive evidence.

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toroid=circle with charges moving in one direction.
collider=giant circle with zillions of charges moving in one direction as a plasma thats not escaping a magnetic field.
giant magnet toroid?
seems to me they are tilting the magnetic axis of the planet. by small degrees.
and making swirly clouds above it for woo.
but im not an overpaid, underworked scientist with a list of degrees. just a hick in the woods. so i dont know.

There maybe something to what you suggest..

but I also wonder..

In ref to toroid like magnets...

ie circular cylinder ones..

If we have a two such magnets with the inner diameter to be placed  over a fixed (to the earths surface) vertical solid shaft of a slightly smaller diameter...with the magnet poles facing to repel each other...

The magnetic poles repel and the top magnet appears to lift or move up the fixed vertical shaft as its magnetism repels against the other magnet..be it a normal type magnet or if the two were  electro magnets..

We had the weight of the magnets...with gravity acting on the earths surface..

Does the force or weight of the bottom magnet double when acting on the earths surface.. as the top magnet appears to lift ?

Gravity is acting on both of them.

or does the bottom magnets weight or the force acting on the earth direct below it remain the same ?

Could Gyroscopes be applied also to this concept to alter the mass of the magnets...

Its suggested that Spinning Gyroscopes lower mass...or maybe help something levitate..

Can the Gyro principle make or overcome the  mass
of an actual gyro ?


Have you seen this that Eigthman posted Robo..I found some of the concepts interesting..

THE SCIENCE OF TORSION, GYROSCOPES AND PROPULSION

what do you make of gyroscopes lowering weight of objects ?

Do you think that they can defy the effect of gravity ?

Known as Forced Procession...

This may also apply to how Atoms work...electrons spinning around the nucleus....that has similar effects as a gyroscope...

but in Space there is no matter...or atoms if its more or less a vacuum ..

so is there no resistance of other atoms for it to appear for the principal to apply..

Space craft have to use thrust that normally we may think the atoms from the thrust react to something... such as other air atoms...certainly when lifting off from Earth..

Newtons 3rd law...For every action we get a reaction in the opposite direction..

"For every action we get an equal and opposite reaction..."


But does this apply in Space...in a vacuum with nothing to push or repell against...ie no other atoms of any sort...(or that maybe a suggested theory)

so we have or use  thrusters... but what is the thrust reacting to in space ? / Vacuum..

Or Probably there is no 100 % vacuum..as we always have dust like meteorites....floating around in Space..

and MAYBE DARK MATTER is what a thruster pushes against in Space...

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Then there is mention about Entropy and how that can effect things..

In one experiment one Scientist concluded..

He concluded that entropy increasing processes produce a weak force that repels the small mass, and entropy decreasing forces cause an attraction of the small mass.

QuoteEntropy is a word from physics which measures the amount of "randomness" in a system. A highly ordered system has "low entropy" and a highly disordered system has "high entropy." Figures 10 and 11 summarise a variety of familiar objects and processes which are sources of increasing or decreasing entropy.

When a substance evaporates it goes from a liquid to a gas and its molecules occupy a much larger volume. This is an example of "increasing entropy." Kozyrev had found that when entropy increases, right handed torsion is produced. When entropy
decreases, left handed torsion is generated. He conducted numerous experiments with both kinds of processes, and observed the physical effects

QuoteHe brought the entropy-changing process to the top of the bell jar, near the mounting point of the suspending fiber, allowing any torsion 11
influence to travel down the fiber. In that case he found that entropy increasing processes caused the disk to rotate to the right, and entropy decreasing processes caused it to rotate to the left.


So he was able to show that a force exists which is not part of Western physics, and that can cause attraction or repulsion. He also found that this same force has a twist to it, which explains the effect on twisting the circular disk. The force that causes the repulsion has a right hand twist. The one that has an attraction has a left hand twist, so he called these two influences right handed and left handed torsion.

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Another theory seems to mention reversal of  time..

QuotePROCESSES WHICH INCREASE ENTROPY: "EMIT TIME"

such as Evaporation of Acetone, melting Ice, Dying plants, Chemical reactions, Sugar disolving say in tea. are egs that EMITs Time

"RIGHT HANDED TORSION"
ENERGY OR ORDER LEAVING THE SYSTEM
Figure 10. Examples of processes which "emit time," in which entropy increases and right handed torsion or "negative od" is produced. By definition, in such a
system order is being lost and therefore "time density" is decreasing.


PROCESSES WHICH DECREASE ENTROPY: "ABSORB TIME"

such as Streching a ruber band, Growing plants , Ice Freezing, Compressing of a  Spring  ABSORBS TIME.

"LEFT HANDED TORSION"
PUTTING ENERGY OR ORDER INTO SYSTEM
Figure 11. Examples of processes which "absorb time," in which entropy decreases and left handed torsion or "positive od" is produced.
Kozyrev found that there are many processes which naturally produce torsion. He concluded that processes in which entropy is increasing produce right hand torsion.

Acetone evaporation, a dying plant, melting ice, chemical reactions are a few examples.
These are illustrated in Figure 10. Some processes do the opposite. They decrease

Very interesting concepts and theory IMO..from what I think I understand upon trying to read thru it..

Pages 8 to 15

A Brief History of the Russian Torsion Program

http://synchronizeduniverse.com/IUFO%20OUTLINE%20v23.pdf

Quotetoroid=circle with charges moving in one direction.
collider=giant circle with zillions of charges moving in one direction as a plasma thats not escaping a magnetic field.
giant magnet toroid?
seems to me they are tilting the magnetic axis of the planet. by small degrees.
and making swirly clouds above it for woo.

A Brief History of the Russian Torsion Program
The truth is that the Russian torsion program began with Dr. Nikolai Kozyrev in
the 1950's. As my comprehensive book Life Force (Swanson, 2011) explains, Kozyrev
first saw evidence of torsion in astrophysical data involving binary star systems. He
published a few papers about his ideas (Kozyrev, 1958, 1967, 1978, 1980) mostly in
Russian, and later some of these ideas were tested in published papers by Lavrentiev and
others (Lavrentiev, 1990, 1991, 1992). Dr. Kozyrev was also extensively interviewed by
two Western journalists about his work, and conducted several experiments for them in
his laboratory to explain the nature of the torsion force. He explained that he believed
torsion is the basis for many "anomalous" phenomena such as ESP, PK, and other
paranormal effects. His work is given an entire chapter in their landmark book Psychic
Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain (Ostrander, 1970).
Very little was published during the 1970's and 1980's until the period of
"openness" when the Berlin Wall came down. Then a flood of papers emerged from
Russia which revealed that extensive research involving dozens or perhaps even hundreds
of scientists had continued during the intervening years. Much of the research had been
conducted in "secret cities" like Novosibirsk, suggesting that at least some of it had been
secret. The list of scientists involved in this research is extensive.
A report by Tomsk University (Lunev, 1995) summarizes research sponsored by
Dr. Akimov, who was one of the directors of the research effort in Russia. Dozens of
scientists are listed along with multiple institutions. This report is only a summary of
many dozens of other reports which provided more detailed descriptions of experiments.
It offers a glimpse into an extensive governmet sponsored research effort that continued
for many years. Another report, by Professor Levich (Levich, 1996), summarizes many of
the findings of the torsion research effort. Again, by the amount of data, and the number
of experiments, and the number of scientists cited, it is clear that this was an extensive
effort conducted with government support and supervision over many years.
Here are a few comments by some of the other scientists who were involved in the
Russian torsion program. Hopefully, these comments will make clear that the torsion
research effort in Russia extended over many years and involved many scientists and
laboratories. It received this level of support because torsion is truly an important subject
with far reaching implications. .
"This physical component of time [the time density] can be 'absorbed' or 'radiated'
by substances. So 'density' reflects the active property of time. The experiments
carried out using special detectors showed that near the systems in which entropy
increases, the density of time increases too. Consequently in this process the order,
lost when entropy increases in one system, can be transmitted by changing the
density of time, to the substance of the detector, increasing its order. So the
elasticity, the conductivity, the work function of electrons (in photoelectronic
processes) of the substance changes. These phenomena were confirmed by
experiments (Kozyrev, 1978; Kozyrev, 1980)." (Adamenko, 1989)[Emphasis added]
"Investigation of this effect has shown that samples of the substances placed near
processes, emitting time, then after some time, they themselves have such an effect
on the detector."(Korotaev, 1995)
"From the late 80's till the late '90s, major experimental investigations were
conducted that confirmed the theoretical predictions. It was established that torsion
generators allow us not only to replicate all "phenomena" demonstrated by so-
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called "psychics," but they also are able to demonstrate effects that were never
demonstrated by any "psychic" (Nachalov, 2003).
Dr. Ivan Shakhparonov describes "applied" research he was doing in 1991
(Shakhparonov, 2001). He mentions the coordination of eight scientific teams and
30 years of research which culminated in this effort!
"Spin acts as the source of the torsion field in the same manner as electric
charge and mass produce electromagnetic and gravitation fields,
respectively...A number of devices have been constructed, generating what
appears to be torsion fields." (Panov, 1997)
"Time does not propagate (for example like electromagnetic waves) but appears at
once all over the Universe. That is why the connection through time must be an
instantaneous one. So it is possible to observe some phenomena of very far
astronomical bodies in real time, without delay. This perspective does not
contradict the special theory of relativity because, when we have instantaneous
connection through time, there are not movements of material objects." (Kozyrev,
1976)
"N.A. Kozyrev, an outstanding astronomer and natural scientist, enriched the
dynamic picture of the world by introducing a new entity, possessing 'active
properties,' and coinciding with neither matter, nor field, nor space-time in its
usual understanding." (Levich, 1995),
"At the present time we have created industrial prototypes of powerful emitters of
negative energy by means of the developed nanotechnologies...This emanation is
able to magnetize graphite and organics, decrease the radioactivity, and influence
the oncology diseases [cancer]. The time reverse technology is realized in such
devices." (Shakhparonov, 2001)
"There are two types of energy in the Universe. The positive, or right energy, acts
as a factor increasing entropy. The negative or left energy tends to decrease the
entropy, i.e. it acts as a factor which regulates the entropy's increase. Through
being spent, the right energy is transformed to the left one, and this fact may be
interpreted as the passage of time from the past to the future. When the energy is
transformed from the left form to the right form, the time is reversed."
(Shakhparonov, 1998)
A Few Torsion Experiments
Figure 9 shows one of the early experiments that confirmed some of Kozyrev's
ideas. It involves a process in which "entropy" is changing. Entropy is a word from
physics which measures the amount of "randomness" in a system. A highly ordered
system has "low entropy" and a highly disordered system has "high entropy." Figures 10
and 11 summarise a variety of familiar objects and processes which are sources of
increasing or decreasing entropy.
When a substance evaporates it goes from a liquid to a gas and its molecules
occupy a much larger volume. This is an example of "increasing entropy." Kozyrev had
found that when entropy increases, right handed torsion is produced. When entropy
decreases, left handed torsion is generated. He conducted numerous experiments with
both kinds of processes, and observed the physical effects.
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One sensitive indicator he found for torsion is the "torsion pendulum." This is a
horizontal bar suspended on a thread or thin fiber. One end of the bar is long with a small
mass on the end. The other end of the bar is short and is balanced by a larger mass. It is
enclosed in a bell jar which prevents drafts and is also shielded from electromagnetic and
other disturbances.
In his interview with Ostrander and Schroeder in the late 1960's (Ostrander, 1970)
he used similar devices to demonstrate the effects of torsion. For a convenient "process"
in which entropy is increasing, so Kozyrev used a cotton swab soaked in acetone. The
rapid evaporation of the acetone ensures an increase in entropy. According to Kozyrev's
ideas, this should provide a source of "right handed torsion."
When Kozyrev brought the cotton swab near the long arm of the pendulum, he
observed it to move away from the swab. Of course, the swab was outside the bell jar and
pendulum inside, and there was shielding from electromagnetic disturbances as well as
any motions from the air. Nevertheless, the effect was consistent. The small mass on the
end of the torsion arm was repelled by the swab in which entropy was increasing.
In addition to the evaporating acetone, Kozyrev tested this phenomenon against
many other physical processes. He found that when he used one in which entropy was
decreasing, he obtained the opposite effect. In that case, the torsion arm was attracted
toward the process. He concluded that entropy increasing processes produce a weak
force that repels the small mass, and entropy decreasing forces cause an attraction
of the small mass.  :o

THE FILATOV EXPERIMENTS

In order to understand what is special about "torsion physics," it is necessary to compare it to conventional physics, which was originally developed by Sir Isaac Newton over three hundred years ago. It is still the standard physics taught in every classroom. It was modified by Einstein to account for very high speeds near the speed of light, and then later in Einstein's General Theory of Relativity to include the effects of gravity. But Newton's physics is still mostly correct for conditions commonly encountered when speeds are small compared to the velocity of light. It is often used by NASA in projecting the motions of space probes, and many of the planets and asteroids.

One of the most important "laws" in standard physics is called Newton's Third Law, the law of "conservation of momentum," also stated as "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction." Newton defined momentum as "mass times velocity," so the momentum of a small object traveling at high speed can be the same as the momentum of a large object traveling at low speed. Momentum and velocity are both vectors, so the direction is important. If it reverses direction, the velocity and momentum
are the negative of what they were before.

Since momentum in a system is conserved, it means if you add up the mass times the velocity (always treating velocity as a vector so its direction is taken into account) of the various components in a system, the total momentum of the system cannot change.
This is summarized in Figure 17. It implies that when you want to change the direction or velocity of a mass, it can only be done if there is another mass which goes off in the other direction so the total momentum of the system is kept the same. To accelerate a mass, that is change its direction or speed, there must be an equal and opposite reaction.

Figure 17. Newton's law of Conservation of Momentum
CENTER OF MASS
VELOCITY BEFORE
CENTER OF MASS
VELOCITY AFTER =
NEWTONIAN PHYSICS:
CONSERVATION OF MOMENTUM
"FOR EVERY ACTION THERE IS AN EQUAL
AND OPPOSITE REACTION"
mass 2 mass 1
m2 m1
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M1
V2 V1
MOMENTUM CONSERVATION:
mV m V const 1 1 2 2 ? ? 17



This principle governs the flight of airplanes through the air and the flight of rockets through space, for example. It states that if you want to move an object in a certain direction, you must accelerate another mass in the opposite direction so the momenta of the two masses together is the same as it was to start with. An airplane moves through the air, so it can change direction by "pushing on the air" and making the air go in a different direction.

A rocket in empty space cannot do this, so it must eject rocket exhaust, which is a high speed gas of molecules. They have mass and their momentum must balance that of the rocket.

One way of thinking about this is that a rocket cannot accelerate upwards unless it has something to "push against" which it does by throwing a large amount of mass downwards at high speed (its exhaust) so the momenta of the two are balanced. This is one reason why some scientists say they do not believe in UFOs, because UFOs can change direction so suddenly and do not seem to emit any exhaust.

They appear to defy Newton's laws. (It is also true that the g-forces in such a craft would kill a human being, which is another reason some scientists are skeptical of UFOs.

In Figure 17, there are two masses shown,
m1
and
m2
. The momentum of mass
m1
is the product of its mass times its velocity, or
mV1 1
. Likewise, the momentum of
mass 2 is
mV2 2
. The total momentum of the system is just the sum of these two things:
mV m V 1 1 2 2 ? . According to Newton's Laws, this total cannot change if it is all the
mass in the system. So if these two masses are all that are present, then their momentum
must be constant. This constant can be written:
(1)
mV m V m m V const 1 1 2 2 1 2 ? ? ? ? ? ? C
and this defines the center of mass velocity VC for the system;
(2)
? ?
1 1 2
1 2
C
mV m V V
m m ???

Conservation of momentum leads to the prediction that:
(1) the total momentum will not change
(2) the center of mass velocity will not change.
So this rule is basic, elementary physics. It is taught in classrooms all over the world. But in the 1960's a gifted instructor in physics, N. V. Filatov, who was the senior lecturer in theoretical mechanics at the Tver Polytechnic Institute, was teaching this to a class. He conducted experiments and demonstrations with colliding model vehicles on a frictionless track to
demonstrate the concepts. He would take two small vehicles and start them out with some velocities and let them collide and bounce against one another. He put a small rubber bumper on one of them to prevent damage in the collision. Then he calculated the total momentum before and after the collision, and showed that it did not change.

But then Filatov added a new wrinkle. On one of his vehicles he attached a pair of gyroscopes! The gyros were set spinning and had a special mount called a Cardan suspension, which allowed them to change direction or precess. Then when he conducted
the collisions, he found that the total momentum of the system WAS NOT 18 CONSERVED and the CENTER OF MASS VELOCITY WOULD SOMETIMES CHANGE!

Table I illustrates some of his results. Note that there are seven cases illustrated here. In some of them the masses of the two vehicles m1 and m2 are the same. In other cases, the mass of one of the vehicles is twice the other. In each case the velocity of the vehicle before and after the collision is measured, and the center of mass velocity of the
system is computed, just as in Equation (2) above. This is plotted in the table as the "center of mass" velocity of the system, VC. After the collision it is computed again, and shown as VC'. According to Newton, the center of mass velocity should not change. And yet, in many of these experiments it can be seen from the table that the center of mass velocity did change.

TABLE I
BUFFER MASS m1, m2 VC (M/S, BEFORE) V'C (M/S, AFTER)
METAL m1 = m2 -0.196 -0.326
METAL m1 = m2 -0.31 -0.16
METAL 2m1 = m2 -.0208 -0.167
RUBBER 2m1 = m2 0.23 0.154
METAL m1 = 2m2 0.233 0.0532
METAL m1 = 2m2 0.402 0.181
RUBBER m1 = 2m2 0.446 0.196
Filatov found that if the gyros were not allowed to spin or precess, then the momentum was conserved and the center of mass velocity did not change. In that case Newton's Law held. But if the gyros were free to precess, then the center of mass velocity of the system changed and the total momentum was no longer conserved. He also found that the spin rate of the gyros would change in this case, so the breaking of momentum conservation was related to the precession of the gyros. The change in the center of
mass velocity and total momentum are major violations of Newtonian physics.

An internal gyroscope such as Filatov used, may sound like a very peculiar and strange condition. One might think such a situation would not be encountered in everyday life. But in fact, every atom and every proton and electron and neutron is a tiny spinning gyro, so actually this situation is constantly occurring in the physical world. Every collision will result in the jostling of atoms and produce precession and other motions. According to Filatov's
experiments, later confirmed independently by Shipov, the results violate Newton's laws and point the way to a method of propulsion that does not need to eject exhaust. Usually these effects are very small and not noticed, but when the gyros are large or spinning at high speeds, the effects can be quite significant. Even when no gyros are present except for the small gyros of atoms, the Russian torsion program found that small mass changes can occur in metal that is deformed and bent or experiences other disturbances. So this principle is a very general one. Examples of this more subtle effect will be described later.

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Figure 18. Illustration of the Filatov experiment. Again there are colliding model vehicles, but now one of them carries spinning gyroscopes which are able to precess. In this case, Filatov found that the momentum of the system IS NOT CONSERVED! The gyros will be caused to precess when the objects collide, and when the gyros precess, then the total
momentum of the system is changed. This means that an object, or vehicle, which carries on board gyros can change its own momentum if it can change how its gyros are precessing. This is called "forced precession."

Figure 19 illustrates in more detail Filatov's experiment in which two small vehicles are allowed to collide on a frictionless track. The top drawing shows a side view and the illustration below shows the top view. There is a "bumper" on one of them to insure that the collision is not too violent. One of the vehicles carries two gyroscopes mounted side by side on a special (Cardan) mount which allows them to precess. In a typical experiment the gyros are initially spinning in opposite directions at the same angular speed. In a normal collision when no gyros are present, the total momentum after collision is the same as the total momentum before collision.

Another way of saying this is that the 'center of mass velocity' of the system should not change as a result of a collision. But Filatov found that the presence of gyroscopes caused the total momentum after
collision to be different. In other words, the center of mass velocity did change in some of these experiments. In addition, the gyros underwent precession after collision and this was related
to the amount of momentum and center of mass velocity gained or lost.

The vehicles are allowed to collide. Filatov found that the total momentum after collision is different than it is before collision if the gyros on board begin precessing as a result of the collision.
(3)
mV m V const 1 1 2 2 ? ?
mass 2 mass 1
m2
V1 V1
FILATOV'S EXPERIMENTS:
MOMENTUM CONSERVATION
WOULD REQUIRE:
mV m V const 1 1 2 2 ? ?
BUT N.V. FILATOV FOUND THAT MOMENTUM
CONSERVATION DOES NOT HOLD WHEN GYROS
ARE INVOLVED:
mV m V const 1 1 2 2 ? ?
SHIPOV FOUND THAT HE COULD EXPLAIN THESE
RESULTS BY INTRODUCING THE EFFECTS OF
TORSION.
m1
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Filatov found that from these parameters he could predict the amount of momentum change in the collision. If he labels this momentum change as P , then over many experiments he found that the total momentum change of the system could be described by the formula:
(4)
? ?? ?
? ?
1
1 2
1 2
'
CM CM
J m changeof momentum P m m V V
h m m
? ? ?
? ? ? ? ?
?
Figure 19. Overview of Filatov experiment, from (Shipov#7), showing two vehicles
(mass
m1
and mass
m2
) moving on a frictionless track, side view (a) and top view
(b).
Here he measured the time of contact of the two masses, which is represented by ? and can be thought of as a small time interval when the bumper is in contact with the other vehicle. The (angular) rotation speed of the gyros before collision is given by
? ,
and the precession frequency of the gyros after the collision is ? . The precession before collision is zero. The symbol h is the height of the gyro which is the distance between the support point of the gyro and the point of collision. It is the moment arm" of the collision. J is the moment of inertia of the gyros.
m1
and
m2
are the two masses involved in the collision, where
m1
is the mass of the gyros and its carriage.
We can express this force in a simpler way if we assume the moment of inertia J of the gyro can be written as a mass times a moment arm r, so it becomes

weve gone through this before, outerspace is hydrogen gas. under a mild vacuum, theres no such thing as an absolute vacuum. the thrust of a rocket is against hydrogen atoms.

all things have charge and magnetism. at frequencies. momentum is just higher frequencies. all things are magnetic, just because you cant test for it doesnt mean its not there. its just the magnetic force is too weak to be read by common test equipment.
same goes for all things having charge. just because it doesnt shock you doesnt mean its not charged. chemical reactions like oxidation prove this.

entropy just means energy levels, whether charge, magnetism, or frequency

Certain  things probably at some time but ..I cannot recall discussing certain other related things in the post, such as gyroscopes...which in my 2nd post was one of the parts of what the topic refers to....but I know you have discussed much more than me on the subject in other threads so chances are you recall it more and are more educated / knowledgable in the subject....

but some points you say may make some clearer sense upon thinking about them..

Have you looked into Gyroscope effects ?

I was not sure what type of atoms may generally be in Space..when we also think about nebulas etc that contains many elements...but I think Hydrogen is the most abundant and simplest so more likely occupies the darker areas we see in space ..I suppose.. unless there is dark Matter that we are yet to confirm to be discovered that may contain some type of atom like particals

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weve gone through this before, outerspace is hydrogen gas. under a mild vacuum, theres no such thing as an absolute vacuum. the thrust of a rocket is against hydrogen atoms.

I never thought of things other than metals having magnetism / charge...but if all Atoms do then, yes I can now consider that !

but only metals are attracted by a magnet to lift...but that is only very limited from relative overall close distances.

Gravity was suggested as a weak force...and the Earth has its own magnetic field all around it.

but gravity although a weak force is still stronger enough to stop most solid like things most of us refer to from lifting off without some other external force behind it ..like a Rocket thruster or engine & their chemical reactions  ! 

So is there another way to overcome the weak force of gravity ?...what ever it maybe it  seems it needs to have a greater power source of some sort..

If matter is all atoms that also have "charge"...

we see  in atoms/ elections opposite charges or  a magnet ...magnet faces / attract....same atom / election charges or  Magnet faces repel..

So for certain Matter made of what ever atoms.. that we want to lift...if there was a way for that matter to have anti particles effect it...

could that be a way to get a object to lift by the repelling of the objects  atomic structure if the forces involved could be made to react or balanced in the right directions..  or are such anti particles not as yet confirmed to exist or be created or contained or controlled in some way that would be needed to react upon the object we want to lift..  where somehow those particles would then have to remain connected onto  the object we want to lift...and be able to repel strong enough to Earths atmospheres air or hydrogen particles as the object lifts off....

(OR Would that be relating to Anti Matter which as far as Scientists tell us.. we are yet to be able to create or contain in a way that would be needed... )

They may repel against the object but also wont have to be attracted by other atoms that may halt /slow down the process...

But even then some sort of power source will be needed that can boost it strong enough to break the earths gravity effects..as well as be controllable..

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all things have charge and magnetism. at frequencies. momentum is just higher frequencies. all things are magnetic, just because you cant test for it doesnt mean its not there. its just the magnetic force is too weak to be read by common test equipment.
same goes for all things having charge. just because it doesnt shock you doesnt mean its not charged. chemical reactions like oxidation prove this.

entropy just means energy levels, whether charge, magnetism, or frequency

Quote from: astr0144 on August 14, 2016, 04:13:08 AM
I never thought of things other than metals having magnetism / charge...but if all Atoms do then, yes I can now consider that !

All materials react to magnetism in one or more ways, the better known ones being the ferromagnetic materials that are used to make magnets.

Besides those there are also the diamagnetic materials, materials that do not have a magnetic field but that when in the presence of a magnetic field create an opposing magnetic field that, in some cases, is enough to make that material levitate. The most common diamagnetic material is water. You can see some examples of levitation of diamagnetic materials (including a live frog) here (http://www.ru.nl/hfml/research/levitation/diamagnetic/).

There's also the paramagnetic materials, materials that react with a weak magnetic force that strengthens any magnetic field that is affecting it but not as much as a ferromagnetic material (like iron) does.

From a look at Wikipedia it looks like there are more type of magnetism than these three I learned about in school. :)

Quotebut only metals are attracted by a magnet to lift...but that is only very limited from relative overall close distances.

Not all metals are attracted by magnetic fields, aluminium and copper are examples of metals that are not attracted by magnetic fields.