Global Warming? Greenhouse Gases?
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Basically its mainly carbon dioxide, methane and CFCs that are incresed by humans. The other problem is that carbon dioxide is metabolised by trees and we have destroyed most of the forests meaning the carbon dioxide will stay in the atmosphere longer.
You do know that there is a lot of atmosphere so a small amount of Greenhouse gases have a lot of effect?
Total mass of atmosphere: 5.1 x 1018 kg (5,100,000,000,000,000,000kg)
see http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/earthfact.html
That is five thousand one hundred, million, million tonnes of atmosphere.
Even 3% of that is one hundred and fifty-three million million tonnes of carbon dioxide.
The figures are mind bogglingly large.
Norval, you obviously are unaware of the conundrum of the physics equation of climate change - the amount of negative/harmful impact of a gas upon the Earth is indirectly proportional to the lesser amount of a gas in the atmosphere. Such is clearly shown with Ozone @ whopping 0.01% of the 0.1% of the Trace Gases in the atmosphere, and it is rated as being very harmful to the planet. Indeed, Carbon Dioxide is a bit more plentiful @ 93.497% of the 0.1% Trace Gases, but it likewise is calculated to be even more harmful to the planet. :P
Yes, people have built major careers upon their understanding of reverse-gas climate change calculations, and be-damed if truth or fact of error will change their minds.
I do suspect that small/trace amounts of non-standard stuff (poisonous, radio active, etc) could be released into the atmosphere that could easily destroy all living beings, as well as the planet, but such is not likely for the standard gases IMO. :)
Another chart with slightly more detail of the trace gases.
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, , , , , , , .03 % for carbon dioxide, and 20+ % oxygen, damn, sure sucks to be a tree. :P
, , , think about it, , , , , wait for it, , , , ,
(http://www.johnenglander.net/sites/default/files/images/Englander%20420kyr%20CO2-T-SL%20rev.jpg)
http://www.johnenglander.net/420kyr-T-CO2-SL
But believe whatever corporate sponsored nonsense you like. :P
Pimander said, "Even 3% of that is one hundred and fifty-three million million tonnes of carbon dioxide".
According to the numbers noted, the atmospheric makeup of carbon dioxide is not 3%, but rather it is 0.03% according to Norval's pie chart. ;)
Quote from: rdunk on September 05, 2016, 09:22:16 PM
Pimander said, "Even 3% of that is one hundred and fifty-three million million tonnes of carbon dioxide".
According to the numbers noted, the atmospheric makeup of carbon dioxide is not 3%, but rather it is 0.03% according to Norval's pie chart. ;)
Ok divide it by a hundred and its still a hell of a lot. My point isn't what the exact numbers are but that the amount of carbon dioxide is enormous.
(I knew I'd make an error rushing through that calculation and people would ignore my point. ;D )
www.lunaticoutpost.com/thread-666468.html
guys i dont like to link to other sites but imho the co argument is over.
i dont know if this info is on peggy and if not,maybe one of yall can set it up nice.this thread aint long and it kicks ass on climate changes.
it impressed me so much.i had screen shotted it and had to go back and find it just for this thread and debate.
i went ahead and did the heavy lifting,lol
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1674987116300305
If Carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases do cause global warming, surely the point is that it appears to be rising because of human activity. The link looks pretty strong and we know we are releasing millions of tonnes of carbon dioxide and deforesting.
We can measure carbon dioxide levels and the link with human activity is uncanny.
, , , , and for a bit of humor about it, , ,
George Carlin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0aFPXr4n4
hmmmm Pi, just an idea for yah, it might be better if you picked images that would be available for a longer time?
Just a suggestion. :)
Quote from: Pimander on September 05, 2016, 04:47:16 PM
(http://www.johnenglander.net/sites/default/files/images/Englander%20420kyr%20CO2-T-SL%20rev.jpg)
http://www.johnenglander.net/420kyr-T-CO2-SL
But believe whatever corporate sponsored nonsense you like. :P
I'm trying to figure out why Homo sapiens thinks it can control the climate of an entire planet.
I'm pretty sure we're riding the climate rocket. Nothing we do is going to stop it.
Irene,
I have to agree with Fort on this mater, as your quote says,
""I think we are property." - Charles Fort"
And, as such, I do think the "owner" is quite capable of adjusting Earth's ecology as, and when, necessary. Thanks for your input. :)
My point of view is that all this nonsense about climatic change being directly linked to Humons and our industry is a load of bovine feces; one volcano, Mt. Pinatubo, pumped more crap into the atmosphere in 3 days than all the combined emissions of humanity for the last 200 years; so what are those mouthy turkeys going to do, put a catalytic converter on active volcanoes? Really?
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Seeker
Quote from: Irene on January 29, 2017, 10:40:58 PM
I'm trying to figure out why Homo sapiens thinks it can control the climate of an entire planet.
Despite what conspiracy nuts think, we are no where near that level yet :P
QuoteI'm pretty sure we're riding the climate rocket. Nothing we do is going to stop it.
THIS is the reality of climate change
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47brotherthebig/04images/Antarctica/415k-year-temp-graph.jpg)
My suggestion? MOVE SOUTH :P
So when they say last year was the hottest on record, remember "records" are only going back 150 years or so.
It can be argued that global warming is actually beneficial to agriculture. Increase in floods and tornados is not so good however.
Quote from: micjer on January 30, 2017, 12:54:20 PM
So when they say last year was the hottest on record, remember "records" are only going back 150 years or so.
It can be argued that global warming is actually beneficial to agriculture. Increase in floods and tornados is not so good however.
You make a great point. We haven't been keeping records that long. You can't make judgments about the historical climate of this planet without much more data on it.
Ice cores give us some information, but not enough to make definitive statements about what is coming.
Antarctica is seeing record levels of ice during the winters down there. If we're warming up how does one explain that?
Seems to me I read, in the past few years, that the entire solar system is actually warning up. I don't know if that's true or not. I'd only read that one source article. If it
is true, then we, obviously, are part of a larger cosmic shift.
We are also one volcanic eruption away from a mini ice-age!
This is why my blood boils when politicians spout off and agree to this cap and trade b.s. Carbon Tax >:(
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There is a show currently running called "what on earth?" where they are investigating anomalous satellite photos; the most interesting one so far is one that showed this mysterious cloud over the US; it turned out to be the massive amounts of oxygen released by the corn belt, an amount greater than what s produced by the world's rain forests...
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Seeker
I miss the Science Channel. :(
I don't miss the cable bill though. :P
That is a good show. Some very interesting topics. Jim Marrs was even on the one last night.
Speaking of corn, there has been studies showing increased carbon increase corn yield, so some producers are adding carbon to boost output. Yet we tax carbon. urrrrgggg.
http://www.fbsadvantage.com/carbon-boost-au/
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Quote from: micjer on January 30, 2017, 05:41:02 PM
That is a good show. Some very interesting topics. Jim Marrs was even on the one last night.
Speaking of corn, there has been studies showing increased carbon increase corn yield, so some producers are adding carbon to boost output. Yet we tax carbon. urrrrgggg.
http://www.fbsadvantage.com/carbon-boost-au/
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HaHaHa 8) the reason for my chuckle is the pic; Marvin the Martian was my original avatar many years ago...
Seeker
POINTS TO PONDER
I would detail them but an busy :P
85% of the worlds free oxygen is created by ALGAE... this is a long known FACT
The OZONE layer 'hole scare' was another bogus political and money scheme...
There are holes over the poles in the ozone layer because there is NO DIRECT SUNLIGHT there
Most people have no idea what OZONE is
Oxygen is POISONOUS to us Oxygen is O What we breathe is O2 Ozone is O3
Ozone is formed when UV light hits O2 and excites the molecule opening it up to accept a third O molecule forming Ozone O3
O3 is heavier so tends to fall As it falls it loses energy and breaks apart to O and O2 (the most stable O molecule is O2 fortunately for us :P
It is a never endind cycle as long as there is O from plants In fact the process removes poluton particles from the air
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Quote from: Irene on January 30, 2017, 04:45:50 PM
Ice cores give us some information, but not enough to make definitive statements about what is coming.
Actually there is a LOT more data from those ice core sample than just the temp chart There are CO
2 levels in those samples as well so we know what the gases were doing at the time
QuoteAntarctica is seeing record levels of ice during the winters down there. If we're warming up how does one explain that?
yes the Arctic ice is melting at record levels while Antarctica is INCREASINg at record level Seems no one has an explanation for that NASA has a good article on tha
QuoteSeems to me I read, in the past few years, that the entire solar system is actually warning up. I don't know if that's true or not. I'd only read that one source article. If it is true, then we, obviously, are part of a larger cosmic shift.
Yes the temps in the entire solar system are changing
http://www.space.news/2015-10-06-entire-solar-system-is-heating-up-scientists-blame-solar-warming.html
http://www.livescience.com/1349-sun-blamed-warming-earth-worlds.html
Earth is such a tiny speck next to the sun Even a small solar flare is hundreds of times bigger that Earth We are living in a very narrow temperature margin A mere 5 degrees global annual average temp change is the difference between an ice ages and a bake oven :P
The sun is a huge nuclear furnace... it fluctuates but we are so frail that even a smal hiccup in the sun could wipe us out in a flash
Do not forget how puny we really are :P
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Zorgon, you are funny.
QuoteDo not forget how puny we really are :P
I'm am reminded every day when I get up at 0800 and my hands don't work until 1000 and the drugs have kicked in.
:P