Or, possibly it is, "Maybe thar is something besides water in them thar moony hills"!! ;D
The article does say they have been using the Hubble telescope "extensively!
Space.com
By Mike Wall, Space.com Senior Writer | September 20, 2016 05:58pm ET
NASA will announce new findings about Jupiter's ocean-harboring moon Europa during a news conference at 2 p.m. EDT (1800 GMT) on Monday (Sept. 26).
"Astronomers will present results from a unique Europa observing campaign that resulted in surprising evidence of activity that may be related to the presence of a subsurface ocean on Europa," NASA officials wrote in a media advisory Tuesday (Sept. 20).
Read more: http://www.space.com/34131-jupiter-moon-europa-hubble-telescope-announcement.html
P.S.- could those many brown streaks possibly be "crater chains"?? ;) ;)
(http://s10.postimg.org/h7qwik7sp/Screen_Shot_2016_09_21_at_5_21_43_PM.jpg)
NASA announcements that say they are GOING to make an annouincement of something special...
EVERY TIME they have fizzled out into a Shakespearean Play "Much Ado about Nothing"
Quote from: zorgon on September 22, 2016, 12:34:00 AM
EVERY TIME they have fizzled out into a Shakespearean Play "Much Ado about Nothing"
Only for the people that are expecting them to announce that they found aliens. :)
They are going to announce they are certain there is an ocean and they have confirmed the existence of plumes of water vapour above the Moon that they previously observed.
Hopefully they will know now whether the ocean is in contact with the bedrock. If so then there should be everything you need to initiate life there.
ETA: This is outside the Goldilocks Zone. Big news but not the Holy Grail.
ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS EXCEPT EUROPA ATTEMPT NO LANDING THERE USE THEM TOGETHER
Quote from: ArMaP on September 22, 2016, 12:48:00 AM
Only for the people that are expecting them to announce that they found aliens. :)
They already announced that. Remember?
August 7, 1996? This qualifies as NASA announcing they have found aliens.
(http://www.space.com/images/i/000/057/414/original/ALH84001.jpg)
QuoteA NASA research team of scientists at the Johnson Space Center (JSC), Houston, TX, and at Stanford University, Palo Alto, CA, has found evidence that strongly suggests primitive life may have existed on Mars more than 3.6 billion years ago.
The NASA-funded team found the first organic molecules thought to be of Martian origin; several mineral features characteristic of biological activity; and possible microscopic fossils of primitive, bacteria-like organisms inside of an ancient Martian rock that fell to Earth as a meteorite. This array of indirect evidence of past life will be reported in the August 16 issue of the journal Science, presenting the investigation to the scientific community at large for further study.
Meteorite Yields Evidence of Primitive Life on Early Mars (http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/snc/nasa1.html)
Quote from: Pimander on September 24, 2016, 09:17:20 PM
August 7, 1996? This qualifies as NASA announcing they have found aliens.
Not really, what was announced was that they "found evidence that strongly suggests primitive life may have existed on Mars".
Nobody said they were alive, but they were aliens.... At least that's what they thought when they announced it. :P
Quote from: Pimander on September 25, 2016, 01:08:31 AM
Nobody said they were alive, but they were aliens....
No, they said that they
may be.
Quote from: ArMaP on September 25, 2016, 01:30:51 AM
No, they said that they may be.
True.
It is amusing to watch them make these announcements. In that example, they allowed the TV and press to get everybody excited first, then the claims turn out not to be watertight. But the public are left with a sense that their money is not being wasted....
No proof is in the public domain at this point though no matter how many times NASA spin their announcements. NASA desperately need to be shown to be first to prove life beyond Earth because of all the money they have spent. That argument in itself is one that is difficult to explain if they are involved in a conspiracy to cover up aliens.
Well, here is the announcement, and it is all about "water", and "water plumes" bursting into space!!!
"Jupiter's moon Europa may expel water plumes from under icy shell, Nasa says"
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The Guardian
Alan Yuhas - Monday 26 September 2016
Evidence shows that moon's liquid water bursts out into space, meaning that scientists can test samples for signs of life without drilling through miles of ice.
Scientists have found tantalizing evidence of a liquid water ocean swirling under the icy shell of Jupiter's moon Europa, Nasa announced on Monday, with new evidence of water plumes bursting out into space.
Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/sep/26/jupiter-europa-water-plumes-nasa
Thanks for posting / confirming what the announcement was.
I don't think that I have looked much into Europa or can recall much about it..
I will have to try to take a look into it in more detail when I can to try to get some basic understanding or recall about it, but upon a quick read of the article, it seems that it may have a vast sized ocean or Oceans. Not sure as yet how they may compare to Earth..and if its suggested it is seems nearly all iced over or if there are Mountain areas..
If it does have a water like ocean, I wonder how deep it may go and how the water may compare to that on Earth...Is it salt water..or more pure..
I wonder if the water spurts hot water is like what we see in Yellowstone's geothermal geysers ?
A quick look on wikipedia suggests it is smaller than our moon and one of the smoothest objects in our Solar System..
QuoteSurface features[edit]
Approximate-natural-color (left) and enhanced-color (right) Galileo view of leading hemisphere
Europa is one of the smoothest objects in the Solar System, due to the lack of large-scale features, such as mountains or craters.[34] However; on a smaller scale, Europa's equator has been theorized to be covered in 10-metre tall icy spikes called penitentes, which are caused by the effect of direct overhead sunlight on the equator, melting vertical cracks.[35] The prominent markings crisscrossing Europa appear to mainly be albedo features that emphasize low topography. There are few craters on Europa, because its surface is tectonically too active and therefore young.[36][37] Europa's icy crust has an albedo (light reflectivity) of 0.64, one of the highest of all moons.[24][37] This indicates a young and active surface, based on estimates of the frequency of cometary bombardment that Europa likely experiences, the surface is about 20 to 180 million years old.[38] There is currently no full scientific consensus among the sometimes contradictory explanations for the surface features of Europa.[39]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_(moon)
QuoteWell, here is the announcement, and it is all about "water", and "water plumes" bursting into space!!!
"Jupiter's moon Europa may expel water plumes from under icy shell, Nasa says"
Not very quick are they LOL ::)
I announced that here (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9631.msg127389#msg127389) days before them. ;)
Quote from: astr0144 on September 27, 2016, 05:59:23 AM
If it does have a water like ocean, I wonder how deep it may go and how the water may compare to that on Earth...Is it salt water..or more pure..
If the water is resting on the crust like on Earth then that is extremely interesting.
Basically, we suspect that life may have been triggered by reactions that are likely where there is water, rock and possibly lava....
Quote from: Pimander on September 27, 2016, 08:32:35 AM
If the water is resting on the crust like on Earth then that is extremely interesting.
Basically, we suspect that life may have been triggered by reactions that are likely where there is water, rock and possibly lava....
;D ;D Isn't it "basically" a fact that if one does not believe that God started "life", then there is no REAL ANSWER in science as to how the extreme complexity of all life actually began?? Can anyone actually accept that at some point water rock and lava just came together and "POOF" - life just started??
For persons of science, and other, it must be rather exasperating to know all there is to know about everything, and yet not really KNOW/UNDERSTAND about the reality of the phenomenal beginning of LIFE itself!! 8)
Quote from: rdunk on September 27, 2016, 05:15:42 PM
;D ;D Isn't it "basically" a fact that if one does not believe that God started "life", then there is no REAL ANSWER in science as to how the extreme complexity of all life actually began??
No it isn't a fact. There doesn't have to be a single "REAL ANSWER" for it to be worth asking questions and basing answers on measurable things. :)
QuoteCan anyone actually accept that at some point water rock and lava just came together and "POOF" - life just started??
The whole point of science is not to just accept anything. It is to observe, have ideas then test them by measuring things.
Science isn't about inventing beings who are responsible for everything.
QuoteFor persons of science, and other, it must be rather exasperating to know all there is to know about everything,
Persons of science don't arrogantly pretend to know everything, that is why we are studying things. We leave professing to know everything to religious people! :P
It seems to me that there is a huge assumption underlying our understanding of evolution - and it is "locality".
Everyone seems to assume that life emerges or develops purely because of local causes. Suppose living things popped into being (or changed) triggered by nonlocal quantum effects? Kinda godlike but just the universe copying something it's done elsewhere.
Quote from: Eighthman on September 28, 2016, 12:50:52 AM
Everyone seems to assume that life emerges or develops purely because of local causes. Suppose living things popped into being (or changed) triggered by nonlocal quantum effects? Kinda godlike but just the universe copying something it's done elsewhere.
There is also Rupert Sheldrakes hypothesis of formative causation. (http://www.sheldrake.org/research/morphic-resonance/introduction)
Sheldrake hypothesises that memory is inherent in nature and things that have similar form have similar fields which interact with the memory of similar forms no matter where they are in the universe (morphic resonance). Once one form establishes a pattern others interact with the memory field. In this scenario life would only have to establish itself once in the entire universe to make it much more likely similar forms will establish themselves everywhere else in the Universe.
Ervin Laszlo introduces a similar concept:
QuoteLászló's 2004 book, Science and the Akashic Field: An Integral Theory of Everything posits a field of information as the substance of the cosmos. Using the Sanskrit and Vedic term for "space", Akasha, he calls this information field the "Akashic field" or "A-field". He posits that the "quantum vacuum" (see Vacuum state) is the fundamental energy and information-carrying field that informs not just the current universe, but all universes past and present (collectively, the "Metaverse").
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ervin_L%C3%A1szl%C3%B3
Both their books are worth a read.