I have seen a previous example of this copper pipe effect once before, on Boyd Bushman's interview on youtube, at 15:00 in -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNPBYtJyfZo
and more recently a more detailed demonstration from this user at 2:10 in -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EEW44onpHc
Could copper have been used in ancient times to affect the magnetic properties of huge stones, and thus reduce the gravity?
To quote Zorgon -
QuoteGranite has piezoelectric properties (because of the quartz content) If we are going with the Egyptian (or earlier) Electricity theory then this peizoelectric property may be important...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkfH_bMSD6M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJwSdXyJ598
That's just another force opposing gravity, as when people slide down a ladder by grabbing it with their feet and hands at the sides and "fall slowly".
In the case of the metal pipe with the falling magnet, the moving magnetic field creates an electric current on the metal tube that opposes the originating magnetic force, so it breaks down the fall.
The same principle can be used in reverse direction by having a strong electromagnet being turned on around a metal object: the strong change in magnetic field will create a strong current in the metal object that creates a magnetic field opposing the original one, and the object is shot into the air.
Quote from: ArMaP on October 15, 2016, 01:12:39 PM
In the case of the metal pipe with the falling magnet, the moving magnetic field creates an electric current on the metal tube that opposes the originating magnetic force, so it breaks down the fall.
That about covers it in one sentence :D
Anti Gravity is USELESS to propell space craft because Anit gravity, like anti matter, would simply cancel out the other and most likely violently.
::)
Anti gravity would also be useless in space... because while there is a strong field on the planet surface, there is very little in space. (hence why we are effectively weigtless.) Yes gravity is still there holding the planets in orbit but it is relatively weak... so the space craft would have very little to repell against and end up like a ship in the windless Sargaso Sea... adrift forever :P
Stupid question - Nevermind. Googled it. :P
Puma Punka ..
Just seen that and became aware about it after watching an "Ancient Aliens" Episode..
The Geometry Shaping and precision of the stones from that time frame seem hard to believe.. as if they were created on some some sort of Modern Engineering Milling machine. Some of their cut out and feature square like shapes and Surface finish's were said to have been impossible to have created without the modern technology we have today.
Some parts were even like Dove tail joints suggested as also having other parts that would fit onto some of the main stones to have been made as a type of stone hinge..(Not stone Henge ! ) that was made to hold huge door like hinges..
It was suggested that those stones are created as being from more advanced precision technology than that of the pyramids or any of the other ancient time Earth stone structures we know about.
As amazing how the likes of them and the pyramids are...
depending how advanced any Aliens back then maybe..
Its suggested that they used Stones from Earth to create such objects. Maybe using machinery they had on their Craft.
Was they built as some sort of landing or take off pad for their spaceships ? or something else.
That may have been the case if E.T has visited back then.
but When we watch Sci Fi movies.. we often envision Structures built by E.T as being even more advanced..
so one may wonder why we dont see even more advanced structures rather than things cut out of Earthly Rocks..
Quote from: astr0144 on October 16, 2016, 08:00:56 AM
That may have been the case if E.T has visited back then.
What IF all these fancy stone carvings, that appear all around the world, that are all showing precision cutting and the peculiar 'puzzle block' assembly, that are used as the foundation of later structures built by the Inca's etc...
...are in fact a very Ancient race that we have lost a long time ago? perhaps this Ancient Race led to the Stories of the Lost lemuria, Mu or Atlantis? Or the Zhang Zhung Empire?
No Aliens required... even if those Ancient builders did have those TWO LOBED (Homo Sapiens has three) elongated skulls the inca's tried to emulate?
I think I would need to see some evidence of the type of methods or machinery that any such past Ancient races could have created to have made such precision to consider such a theory.
It also may suggest that they would have needed Electricity operated machines to have powered any such machines to have cut into or thru the rocks...
there are some Holes made into the rock that are too precise to have been made by any hand type drills.
but other things are possible !
Erich Von Daniken (Not sure if you still think hes a fake ) made suggestions of Motherships having arrived that carried the machinery onboard while smaller craft had ways to find the stones and take them to the M.S...or using some for of A.G to have either lifted them to the ship to be shaped and then brought back down to Earth and placed in position..
E.V.D was in London in the U.K giving a lecture the other day and maybe back in the Uk again next year.
Have you ever seen him speak or would you consider doing so if he was lecturing near you... or do you still believe he is in it for the money ? :-\
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What IF all these fancy stone carvings, that appear all around the world, that are all showing precision cutting and the peculiar 'puzzle block' assembly, that are used as the foundation of later structures built by the Inca's etc...
Quote
...are in fact a very Ancient race that we have lost a long time ago? perhaps this Ancient Race led to the Stories of the Lost lemuria, Mu or Atlantis? Or the Zhang Zhung Empire?
No Aliens required... even if those Ancient builders did have those TWO LOBED (Homo Sapiens has three) elongated skulls the inca's tried to emulate?
It was a 50th year Celebration Anniversary held in London yesterday on Oct 15th 2016..since Erich Von Daniken wrote his famous "Chariots of the Gods" book.
https://zoharstargate.com/events
(https://scontent.fman2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p403x403/14595554_1217671801587462_8467490886721779665_n.jpg?oh=2ef7b8edc8850d74582312f274bcab88&oe=58A5BF8D)
(https://scontent.fman2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/13891891_1167807613240548_6429028664460201366_n.jpg?oh=965bf081f4c46f0a7540447c15eb47e8&oe=58AC56D4)
The day before the Legacy Night, Erich will be meeting and greetings friends and fans at Watkins Books on October 14, 2016 at 6pm.
As London's leading esoteric bookshop since opening in 1893, Watkins is the perfect place to warmly welcome Erich back to London after so many years.
Quote from: astr0144 on October 16, 2016, 08:32:18 AM
I think I would need to see some evidence of the type of methods or machinery that any such past Ancient races could have created to have made such precision to consider such a theory.
Well, I would like to see if that precision is real or not.
In one Puma Punku video we can see someone showing how precise an angle is, but we can see that it's a precise 90º angle.
I am not sure if the videos have almost the same content as the "Ancient Aliens" episode that I watched..or if I will get around to watching the vids to try to compare.
Without actually being able to see and check for ones self... so far we can only go of what the experts have said.. but it maybe that they are wrong or exagerate...
It maybe also that the holes and cut outs could have been done to some extent via cheisials and hand drills if we were able to see them more closely...but in the video they make out its something that could only be done via modern technology.. It also depends on the hardness of the and make up of the stone as to how easy it could be cut or drilled..
They say some of the Stone blocks are 25 feet in height...
also that some of the built structures were to either act as a type of landing area..say for a Craft to land on... or that one may have been created as a form of runway for the ancient type aircraft...that we have became aware about..
(https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M585383238a02be304ebb11a2c435e2a6o0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=288&h=163)
But yes on one part, it did show what seemed to be an accurate 90 degree angle on one of the stones faces..
(https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M9d05c91464df92ab037de82cf1964f24o0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=243&h=196)
(https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M62737add0b0fffb4f9d6be086039ed77o0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=300&h=300)
(https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M1cbe02ff4504636c680aaa19d18c23fdo0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=267&h=171%5Bftp%5D%5B/ftp%5D)
One other part even showed holes on two of the stone faces (say from two of the joining side faces) that also had geometry...that allowed what may had been say a metal bar that was able to be passed thru the holes...maybe to allow it to be lifted..
(http://www.ancient-code.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/puma-punku.png)
One other eg where it showed Dovetail like joints in the stone..and another that showed square cut outs of varying depth.. seemed very hard to believe could have been created so accurate without modern technology...it also had a very smooth finish on the cutouts or holes / faces etc...which for the faces could well have been done via say some form of smoothing / grind stones...(Not necessarily E.T or modern technology needed to achieve some of the general smoothness on the main square type faces....) but there may have been extra smoothness on the stone that would have seemed hard to achieve just by general type of grinding...ie maybe some more indepth precision polishing...
(http://ancient-aliens.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/pumapunku_image002.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/6b/8e/99/6b8e991546c87661a7eab99368512c10.jpg)
compare types of surface finishes ..
(https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M1f9e39debaef61b3f3a728b72952bac8o0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=250&h=181)
Model showing how the Large blocks have hinges attached to them
(http://www.gizapower.com/Puma13.jpg)
note the pin or bar that goes thru the hinge holes..
(http://www.gizapower.com/Puma15.jpg)
Suggested UFO landing structure or Ancient aircraft runway...
(https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M238d1042ad4fd3e0160ed93e1f0f727ao0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=332&h=153)
There a debunk version somewhere..
(https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.Mdda377416b192cf8933d34e969d70c46o0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=324&h=69)
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/header1.png
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/puma-punku/#
QuoteWell, I would like to see if that precision is real or not.
In one Puma Punku video we can see someone showing how precise an angle is, but we can see that it's a precise 90º angle.
Quote from: zorgon on October 16, 2016, 08:15:16 AM
What IF all these fancy stone carvings, that appear all around the world, that are all showing precision cutting and the peculiar 'puzzle block' assembly, that are used as the foundation of later structures built by the Inca's etc...
...are in fact a very Ancient race that we have lost a long time ago? perhaps this Ancient Race led to the Stories of the Lost lemuria, Mu or Atlantis? Or the Zhang Zhung Empire?
They weren't VERY ancient really. Just pre-impact event. It looks like humans have amnesia about most of what happened before 3,100 BC. Just before that there is evidence of global climate changes probably associated with an impact event. There was another one some time before that. Those two events have destroyed the species sense of self a little bit like when a person loses their memory. We have forgotten who we are.
There seems to have been a major impact event 8,000BC (younger Dryas), 5,500BC, 3100BC and less major one AD 540... Do the calculation when the next is due.... Luckily they have been less severe each time....
No idea about the elongated thing though. Could be true or a red herring.
Quote from: astr0144 on October 16, 2016, 02:36:02 PM
But yes on one part, it did show what seemed to be an accurate 90 degree angle on one of the stones faces..
(https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M9d05c91464df92ab037de82cf1964f24o0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=243&h=196)
I think it was that the one I saw. :)
QuoteOne other eg where it showed Dovetail like joints in the stone..and another that showed square cut outs of varying depth.. seemed very hard to believe could have been created so accurate without modern technology...it also had a very smooth finish on the cutouts or holes / faces etc...which for the faces could well have been done via say some form of smoothing / grind stones...(Not necessarily E.T or modern technology needed to achieve some of the general smoothness on the main square type faces....) but there may have been extra smoothness on the stone that would have seemed hard to achieve just by general type of grinding...ie maybe some more indepth precision polishing...
(http://ancient-aliens.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/pumapunku_image002.jpg)
One thing I think I see on the photos of those polished stone blocks is that the outside is not the same as the inside of the rock, they look like the "polishing" is a kind of cement applied over the rock.
QuoteModel showing how the Large blocks have hinges attached to them
(http://www.gizapower.com/Puma13.jpg)
I don't remember seeing any block that looked like that, that looks more like a model of what they imagine.
QuoteSuggested UFO landing structure or Ancient aircraft runway...
(https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M238d1042ad4fd3e0160ed93e1f0f727ao0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=332&h=153)
For anyone with a hammer everything looks like a nail, for anyone trying to find UFOs everything looks like a landing structure. :)
It's just terrace.
2nd depiction of light bulbs, or lotus flower if you will, found at Dendera, starting at 1:07 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2RylC0fXNE
Quote from: A51Watcher on October 16, 2016, 08:17:59 PM
2nd depiction of light bulbs, or lotus flower if you will,
How about CROOKES TUBE? :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTFsPnUddA8
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Crookes_tube_two_views.jpg/800px-Crookes_tube_two_views.jpg)
QuoteA Crookes tube is an early experimental electrical discharge tube, with vacuum, invented by English physicist William Crookes[1] and others around 1869-1875,[2] in which cathode rays, streams of electrons, were discovered.[3]
Developed from the earlier Geissler tube, the Crookes tube consists of a partially evacuated glass container of various shapes, with two metal electrodes, the cathode and the anode, one at either end. When a high voltage is applied between the electrodes, cathode rays (electrons) are projected in straight lines from the cathode. It was used by Crookes, Johann Hittorf, Julius Plücker, Eugen Goldstein, Heinrich Hertz, Philipp Lenard and others to discover the properties of cathode rays, culminating in J.J. Thomson's 1897 identification of cathode rays as negatively charged particles, which were later named electrons. Crookes tubes are now used only for demonstrating cathode rays.
Wilhelm Röntgen discovered X-rays using the Crookes tube in 1895. The term is also used for the first generation, cold cathode X-ray tubes,[4] which evolved from the experimental Crookes tubes and were used until about 1920.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crookes_tube
Great thread so far yall...nice.
So, back to gravity, or..anti gravity...really the only concise description for what we seek is gravity control, or an ability to use it regardless of vector or direction of force.
The one thing which seems to pop up in every discussion about gravity, however brief or not, is electricity, and the electrical force imparted upon matter as it flows from one place to the next, is often said to be what gravity really is.
But, to see it fully, we need to understand it happens at the quantum, or even less fractal level, and the electricity we see or experience in our own reality is just a fraction of the full spectrum of cause and effect.
Gravity influences matter in an omni-directional sense, whereas to try anti gravity is to try to lessen or eliminate a feature of the universe which is impossible to lessen or eliminate.
So, its possibly even pointless to try to negate it or minimize it, without first understanding the omni-directional nature of it, and the particle physics field suggests a flow of current with mass or matter as a resistive feature within its influence.
To control gravity is not to negate, but redirect, to control time, and periodicity of the creation of everything, versus the contraction of everything....it may very well hold spiritual consistencies, as religious people suggest, and there has been shown to be science in sacrament by Ledbetter and others.
To use coils, magnets, or any sort of human expression of force, is not going to define, or control gravity...only demonstrate its effect.
Once humanity finds a supposed cause for gravity/electricty/time as an all encompassing singular field of worthy interest, it will find there are ten more factors which affect the result of our experiment, so as fractality returns to the conversation, perhaps gravity is something to be respected, enjoyed, hated or ignored...but it is something that might never be negated or minimized until multi faceted discipline sits back and looks closely at the whole picture.
Quote from: Littleenki on October 20, 2016, 03:41:06 PM
So, its possibly even pointless to try to negate it or minimize it, without first understanding the omni-directional nature of it,
We recently discussed how the experience of time is omni-directional. As gravity (et the non-quantum level) is caused by distortion of space time (Einstein) it is interesting that you say gravity is omni-directional too.
At the quantum level however, matter does not really exist. Mass is just packets of energy in motion. If you convert the matter to energy it no longer has mass!
So basically, it is the
pattern/quality of the interaction between energy and space time that creates gravity not the amount of energy. This could be the key to gravity manipulation.
Different electrical/magnetic fields (shapes or frequencies of) alter the behaviour of energetic particles in matter in different ways. To use the key, it is a matter of altering the behaviour of the particles so the the
pattern/quality of the interaction with space time changes gravity.
So in theory electromagnetic fields are the key to gravity manipulation. We need to discover a field type or material that allows us to direct the way energy alters space time in a controllable way.
And FFS don't post how to do it here anyone, you'll get the site destroyed!
Quote from: Pimander on October 20, 2016, 05:08:27 PM
We recently discussed how the experience of time is omni-directional. As gravity (et the non-quantum level) is caused by distortion of space time (Einstein) it is interesting that you say gravity is omni-directional too.
At the quantum level however, matter does not really exist. Mass is just packets of energy in motion. If you convert the matter to energy it no longer has mass!
So basically, it is the pattern/quality of the interaction between energy and space time that creates gravity not the amount of energy. This could be the key to gravity manipulation.
Different electrical/magnetic fields (shapes or frequencies of) alter the behaviour of energetic particles in matter in different ways. To use the key, it is a matter of altering the behaviour of the particles so the the pattern/quality of the interaction with space time changes gravity.
So in theory electromagnetic fields are the key to gravity manipulation. We need to discover a field type or material that allows us to direct the way energy alters space time in a controllable way.
And FFS don't post how to do it here anyone, you'll get the site destroyed!
Beautifully worded Pimander!
Resistance may be a key, once we figure out how resistance to omni directional force works, perhaps gravity control or manipulation will fall into place. I hate to sound like a philosopher instead of an inventor on this, but I firmly believe it has been the thinking which has kept us from our quarry.
So does our pattern, or quality become a direct result of resistance to field interaction? Or is the pattern created by previous field interaction...my money is on both!
The universe breathes, some religions have said god is a sound, or a word...or breath..perhaps in the static, the pattern will be filtered to us...but at any rate, that which makes us, breaks us..and the cycle continues.
Maybe we should try following, hopping on, and riding the cycle a bit, instead of exploding it or cutting it into pieces..silly humans.
Cheers!
Le
im impressed w pman and le s comments ,real impressed.
im kinda shying away from the term gravity or antigravity and going more with mhd down to the atomic level.what we think as gravity are just minute changes in atomic level mhd.the mind has a hard time thinking that small so its just hard to comprehend interactions enmasse at that level.in a way like salt water flowing down a hill but an electrical current flowing through said water but going uphill due to placement of electrodes.two media existing in one place but flowing in opposite directions.
Quote from: robomont on October 23, 2016, 12:38:31 AM
like salt water flowing down a hill but an electrical current flowing through said water but going uphill due to placement of electrodes.two media existing in one place but flowing in opposite directions.
The big contradiction of course is that gravity is supposed to have a negligible effect at the sub atomic level even though Sakharov's theory of induced gravity proposes a quantum mechanism.
Also on the idea of omni-directionality, you can consider gravity to be entropic. The second law of thermodynamics is that everything tends towards high entropy. It implies that "gravity is not a fundamental interaction, but an emergent phenomenon which arises from the statistical behaviour of microscopic degrees of freedom encoded on a holographic screen. " Again, surely this means that fields effecting the "structure" of the space time around matter would be a key to gravity manipulation.
It is pretty much impossible to directly measure quantum gravity effects because they happen at incredibly small level. So measuring any field effects on gravitation has to be simply measuring weight and trial and error. The actual dynamics are for theorists. We just need to get it to work.
I disagree that gravity manipulation is irrelevant. The single biggest problem with space flight is the amount of fuel required to lift the mass into space. Lessen the effect of gravity (not necessarily reverse it) and the cost of conventional propulsion is reduced. Once in space gravity is less significant (inverse square) and friction is negligible therefore little fuel is needed. On arrival at another planet gravity becomes an issue again.
thats where teslas machine is so important.the one extracting high voltage and converting it into usable voltage and current.outer space is full of high voltage like cosmic rays and charged hydrogen.
this is down converted to usuable energy.
when gravity is looked at from the angle of mhd,then energy is everywhere and mobility is possible everywhere.
when you look at the size of the capacitor in the fluxliner,i believe it to be a modified tesla machine.basically teslas work orbits almost completely around mhd.
if you look at neutron stars,they are stripped of protons and electrons but not neutrons.i suspect what clusters these neutrons is a magnetic field.which tends to hint at current.but how there be current without electrons or protons.can neutrons have a current?
if so then maybe neutrons are creating there own "gravity".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsqOLCXYznE
Stone cutting can be done with the use of certain sounds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK1Rzch89Dw
Movement of large stones via leverage is a lot easier than many people think, as well. No extraterrestrials required. ;)