ExoMars mission: Schiaparelli robot probe doesn't send message to Earth as expected, potentially meaning it is lost (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/exomars-mission-schiaparelli-robot-probe-mars-life-on-aliens-extraterrestrials-a7369951.html)
QuoteThe Schiaparelli robot probe has not sent back a message it was expected to from the surface of Mars.
The problem could mean that the lander has been lost. If so, it would bring a tragic end to humanity's newest hopes of finding alien life on the planet.
But the European Space Agency warned against writing off the chances of finding the lander. There was still a decent chance that the lander might be heard from.
The Schiaparelli robot probe has not sent back a message it was expected to from the surface of Mars.
The problem could mean that the lander has been lost. If so, it would bring a tragic end to humanity's newest hopes of finding alien life on the planet.
But the European Space Agency warned against writing off the chances of finding the lander. There was still a decent
Scientists will be able to check that when the proper data comes back from Mars Express, the main mission. The initial signal that scientists were looking for was simply an experimental stage meant to give very quick results – and so the more reliable message might still be sent back.
Hope the space police haven't put a stop to the landing. :o
Interestingly, one of the instruments on board was to probe for signs of life!!!
This is a real "told ya so" moment...aside from piss poor battery engineering, havent a few movies started with probes and landers getting snapped up by some foreign space characters?
Not good news, especially since it might've answered some of the questions Nasa seems to want to avoid sharing...
Too many wrong things in such a short post. :P
QuoteScientists will be able to check that when the proper data comes back from Mars Express, the main mission.
No, Mars Express is a different mission, it's been orbiting Mars since 2003.
QuoteInterestingly, one of the instruments on board was to probe for signs of life!!!
No, the lander is mostly a test to see if they can land something on Mars, that's why it's expected to work only a couple of days and has only a kind of meteorological station.
Quote from: Pimander on October 19, 2016, 06:04:27 PM
Hope the space police haven't put a stop to the landing. :o
Curious that more and more private and foreign spacecraft are failling... makes one go Hmmmmmm
QuoteInterestingly, one of the instruments on board was to probe for signs of life!!!
ESA does not have the same FEAR of finding life that NASA does :P
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Quote from: ArMaP on October 19, 2016, 08:24:43 PM
No, Mars Express is a different mission, it's been orbiting Mars since 2003.
Very true but don't let FACTS get in the way of a good story :P
QuoteNo, the lander is mostly a test to see if they can land something on Mars, that's why it's expected to work only a couple of days and has only a kind of meteorological station.
So it's a Shakespearian spacecraft? "Much to do about Nothing"?
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Well everyone knows...
ALIENS DID IT! ZOMG!!!
Now that I have more time I will add the things I left out on my first post. :)
Mars Express is not the main mission, the main mission is Trace Gas Orbiter, an orbiter that after dropping the lander will keep on shifting its orbit until it reaches the desired one, at the end of 2017. Then it will start using its spectrometers to analyse the light of the rising and setting Sun passing through Mars' atmosphere. It also has a colour stereo camera (not very high resolution, but good, at 4.5 metres per pixel) and a neutron detector to look for hydrogen in the upper 1 metre layer of the ground.
Although mostly a meteorological station, the lander has one interesting sensor, the Atmospheric Radiation and Electricity Sensor (MicroARES), that is supposed to get information about radiation and electrical charges in the air.
PS: the heat shield for the lander was made in part by a Portuguese company, I hope that wasn't the source of the problem. :P
Quote from: ArMaP on October 19, 2016, 08:24:43 PM
No, Mars Express is a different mission, it's been orbiting Mars since 2003.
That was a quote from a newspaper article not me. They were apparently using Mars express to collect some data from the landing. Mars express has apparently confirmed that the probe has landed now. I was surprised Mars Express was involved too.
Not sure how reliable my source is so I'll wait for ESA to confirm.
QuoteNo, the lander is mostly a test to see if they can land something on Mars, that's why it's expected to work only a couple of days
Yes that is its main purpose.
Quoteand has only a kind of meteorological station.
To test for potential conditions for life.... not really for signs of life. ;D
Its obvious the damn thing landed though. The question is has it landed and is functioning.
Latest from ESA: The ESOC teams are trying to confirm contact with the Entry, Descent & Landing Demonstrator Module (EDM), Schiaparelli, which entered the Martian atmosphere some 107 minutes after TGO started its own orbit insertion manoeuvre. (http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/ExoMars/ExoMars_TGO_reaches_Mars_orbit_while_EDM_situation_under_assessment)
Its a long time past 107 minutes so we'll soon find out whether my source is any good.
I just saw a report on TV and it sounds like my source is wrong.
We won't know more until tomorrow apparently.
Quote from: Pimander on October 19, 2016, 11:15:04 PM
That was a quote from a newspaper article not me. They were apparently using Mars express to collect some data from the landing. Mars express has apparently confirmed that the probe has landed now. I was surprised Mars Express was involved too.
They usually do that, they use the orbiters already there to follow the new one. When Curiosity arrived on Mars Mars Express helped too, as it has a radio made specifically to receive transmissions from Mars' surface, made originally to contact Beagle 2, so it has been used in all ground missions that have arrived since Mars Express is there.
Quote from: ArMaP on October 19, 2016, 10:03:28 PM
PS: the heat shield for the lander was made in part by a Portuguese company, I hope that wasn't the source of the problem. :P
Well the first portuguese drone did not work so well...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NpemFgUH08
It could be worst, it could be brazilian tech... It problably would just explode and kill someone in the process :P
Apparently, the first part of the descent went as expected, but the parachute was dropped too early and the rocket that was started just after the dropping of the parachute worked for a shorter time than it should, so the lander's speed was not as reduced as it should, so I suppose now Mars has a new small crater. :P
The more important part of the mission, the orbiter, is OK. :)
Quote from: RUSSO on October 20, 2016, 09:52:15 PM
Well the first portuguese drone did not work so well...
Seems there is a SHORTAGE of good Rocket Scientists these days :P
Considering that we should have all this Alien Technolgy since Roswell you would thing SOMEONE would have a good spaceship by now, huh?
Any old prototypes in the boneyards? No? hmmm milatary keeps everything else there :P
Quote from: RUSSO on October 20, 2016, 09:52:15 PM
Well the first portuguese drone did not work so well...
That was a failure of the marine launching the drone, the second attempt worked. :)
PS: that navy base is some 2 km from my home. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMbl_ofF3AM
I watched a documentary that suggests that Russia hit the mark on building an efficient rocket booster and nobody at NASA is ever going to do any better.
Quote from: Eighthman on October 21, 2016, 05:49:40 PM
I watched a documentary that suggests that Russia hit the mark on building an efficient rocket booster and nobody at NASA is ever going to do any better.
The Russians have always been ahead of us in space since day one :P
They also make those rockets on an assembly line
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/Russian/Progress/history-09.jpg)
NASA = NO AMERICAN SPACE ACHIEVEMENTS :P
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Quote from: zorgon on October 21, 2016, 03:32:37 AM
Considering that we should have all this Alien Technolgy since Roswell you would thing SOMEONE would have a good spaceship by now, huh?
How can you be so sure there isn't? :P
Quote from: ArMaP on October 21, 2016, 01:21:40 PM
That was a failure of the marine launching the drone, the second attempt worked. :)
PS: that navy base is some 2 km from my home. :)
They should have practiced a bit more before call the press. That was the bigger fail imo.
Can you see the ocean from your house? That is my goal after my retirement. :)
Quote from: RUSSO on October 21, 2016, 07:23:34 PM
How can you be so sure there isn't? :P
Because...
1) none of my sources in Space Command are flying them :P They are still working with rockets at Vanedenburg etc.
2) IF the military has a superior power source or propulsin system, they would damn well be using it NOW. It has historically ALWAYS been the military that used new secret technolgy first. Even the common security system motion detectors were top secret military years before relesed to the public use. There is NO WAY the military would NOT use any new power source and continue seeking jet fuel from seawater and there is no way they wouldn't use any new spacecraft teck rather than mess around with invisible space planes
3) With all the tons of data being leaked or stolen from the NSA and other agencies, with all the supposed Wikileak mail stuff... not ONE SINGLE piece of evidence supporting free energy or alien spacecraft :P NOT ONE
(The podesta emails are a joke really... If HE in his position, cannot get the answers... then maybe the answers do not exist
If people like Bob Lazar and A51 can go film 'secret' tests at A51 and people like IgnoreTheFacts can work on 'painting' invisible coatings onto non existing space planes and LSWONE peek over a wall and not go to prison :P Then I can assume that there is really nothing beyound secret airplanes to worry about :P
Prove me wrong :P
Quote from: RUSSO on October 21, 2016, 07:23:49 PM
They should have practiced a bit more before call the press. That was the bigger fail imo.
That is a NASA specialty :P Make a major announcement that you are on the verge of a major life changing announcement, then wait weeks to make the actual announcement and watch it turn out to be "Much to do about NOTHING" :P
Quote from: RUSSO on October 21, 2016, 07:23:49 PM
Can you see the ocean from your house? That is my goal after my retirement. :)
No, I'm some 10 km from the ocean. Before they have built some buildings behind the building where I live I could see a part of the Tagus (Tejo in Portuguese) river.
Quote from: zorgon on October 21, 2016, 08:27:41 PM
That is a NASA specialty :P Make a major announcement that you are on the verge of a major life changing announcement, then wait weeks to make the actual announcement and watch it turn out to be "Much to do about NOTHING" :P
Water found again, and again and again ;D
Quote from: zorgon on October 21, 2016, 08:26:04 PM
Because...
1) none of my sources in Space Command are flying them :P
:D :P
Quote2) IF the military has a superior power source or propulsin system, they would damn well be using it NOW. It has historically ALWAYS been the military that used new secret technolgy first. Even the common security system motion detectors were top secret military years before relesed to the public use. There is NO WAY the military would NOT use any new power source and continue seeking jet fuel from seawater and there is no way they wouldn't use any new spacecraft teck rather than mess around with invisible space planes
Just because you dont see it it does not mean it does not exist ;) Why would they ruin the surprise effect advantage they have?
Quote3) With all the tons of data being leaked or stolen from the NSA and other agencies, with all the supposed Wikileak mail stuff... not ONE SINGLE piece of evidence supporting free energy or alien spacecraft :P NOT ONE
Again, i qill quote my other post...
You should expect it would be the most protected info on the planet. Not so easy to leak. You probably can't even find the smoking gun documents in government archives anymore.
Quote(The podesta emails are a joke really... If HE in his position, cannot get the answers... then maybe the answers do not exist
How many times I heard from you that people like him has a "no need to know" position. Not even the POTUS have it according to you!
Interisting story:
Donald Rumsfeld and the "Need to Know"
QuoteHe actually knew Rumsfeld. He said that they chatted about this and that in Rumsfeld's office and then he said. "I turned to him and I said, Don I have to ask you something. I have been in this for years looking at the UFO phenomena. I feel like at this point in my life I am in a position of "need to know" what you know or what some agency might know that I don't know. I have a 'need to know' I feel."
He said that Rumsfeld stood up and pointed a finger at him and said, "You have no 'need to know' and then sat down again. That was the end of it.
http://www.presidentialufo.com/gerald-ford/90-donald-rumsfeld-and-the-qneed-to-knowq (http://www.presidentialufo.com/gerald-ford/90-donald-rumsfeld-and-the-qneed-to-knowq)
QuoteIf people like Bob Lazar and A51 can go film 'secret' tests at A51 and people like IgnoreTheFacts can work on 'painting' invisible coatings onto non existing space planes and LSWONE peek over a wall and not go to prison :P Then I can assume that there is really nothing beyound secret airplanes to worry about :P
Prove me wrong :P
Plausible deniability! :P
A parallel for you:
QuoteTraining files of the CIA's covert "Operation PBSUCCESS," for the 1954 coup in Guatemala. According to the National Security Archive: "Among the documents found in the training files of Operation PBSUCCESS and declassified by the Agency is a CIA document titled 'A Study of Assassination.' A how-to guide book in the art of political killing, the 19-page manual offers detailed descriptions of the procedures, instruments, and implementation of assassination." The manual states that to provide plausible denial, "no assassination instructions should ever be written or recorded."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_deniability
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