http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=143550
The best analysts I read don't know what to make of Donald Trump. Indeed, the entire nation doesn't !
I think he will be "metastable" at best. The dominant fact here is that the NeoCons will try to destroy him without relenting. With Mike Pence as a vassal in waiting, they will seek any means to depose him (emphasis "any" !). However, they will be thwarted if small crises never let up. This is the only way Trump can survive - by exploiting circumstances that keep his Cabal enemies constantly off balance.
Turkey drops out of NATO. Maybe Ukraine collapses outright. The EU fails in stages. Maybe the Pizzagate accusations have legs and so on. The Forces Of Evil never get a chance to push the US back towards war with Russia because the world, US included, never stabilize. Or never stabilize until their power is shattered. God speed!
OK, not terribly optimistic but not the worst outcome either. It may come together in a paradoxical manner.
Quote from: Eighthman on December 03, 2016, 10:42:26 PM
Maybe the Pizzagate accusations have legs and so on.
The one hope that I have about PizzaGate, is that it will cause a universal realisation of something that I have known since probably 2005; namely, that senior politicians throughout the Western world are almost exclusively predatory, psychopathic monsters, and that the best thing that all of us can do is completely remove any and all good faith or confidence we have in the institutions of government.
The reflexive response from some on this web site will be to rhetorically ask if I want anarchy as an alternative. I feel that I can honestly say at this point, that anarchy would provide humanity with a better chance of long term survival, than remaining under the governance that we have currently. If government means living under the rule of paedophiles who rape and murder our children, and anarchy offers even a chance where we do not have that, then how can said government possibly be more desirable?
I'm not convinced that they're all psychopathic predatory monsters, but I think they've largely forgotten that they work for the people, not the other way around. Doctors tend to do the same thing.
I think that Congress needs term limits. It's supposed to be a job, not a lifetime appointment. I also think that the Electoral College needs to be revised or removed. We don't use anything equivalent to elect state governors, and since it doesn't take an excessively long time to communicate, unlike when that institution was established, it seems to have outlived it's usefulness.
Shasta
If the US was a person, they'd be locked up as a danger to themselves and others.
Currently, Congress wants to keep fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The Senate wants to fight with Iran.
A perverted alliance of liberals and neo-cons wants to fight with Russia.
Much of Congress and the Pentagon want to fight with China.
Oh, yes... Democrats and Neo-Cons may also want to fight with the UN now, too.
Meanwhile, Putin seems to be showing all sorts of deft diplomacy - in Syria, in Middle East oil, with Japan, with Turkey and India.
What did Trump say about Isreal yesterday?
I missed the clip.
Also, isn't Trump back peddling on Clinton & Pizzagate ?
That Pizzagate thing is a load of crap just like the Sandy Hook conspiracy.
All Trump has to do is navigate his way through the cloud of bulls**t surrounding him at inauguration and he'll be fine.
One thing really disturbs me prior to that event. Obama is acting like a spoiled child, so he is playing the game of Life with the entire planet and, in the process, creating a great deal of hate and strife.
There are some sick, sick bastards in control of this country and it utterly disgusts me.
Quote from: Eighthman on December 29, 2016, 02:53:12 PM
If the US was a person, they'd be locked up as a danger to themselves and others.
Currently, Congress wants to keep fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The Senate wants to fight with Iran.
A perverted alliance of liberals and neo-cons wants to fight with Russia.
Much of Congress and the Pentagon want to fight with China.
Oh, yes... Democrats and Neo-Cons may also want to fight with the UN now, too.
Meanwhile, Putin seems to be showing all sorts of deft diplomacy - in Syria, in Middle East oil, with Japan, with Turkey and India.
If Tylenol came on the market today, instead of years ago, it would be a controlled substance. I'm not sure the US is capable walking while chewing gum.
Shasta
Trump is not even in office yet!
My question is will Obama Pardon Hillary? Will he pardon himself? They have not been charged with any thing, maybe they will come up with something cute and slick to protect themselves, because they both have to admit to wrong doing, to get pardoned. Any thing further, will be depending on what Obama does. ???
Quote from: Irene on December 29, 2016, 04:04:15 PM
One thing really disturbs me prior to that event. Obama is acting like a spoiled child, so he is playing the game of Life with the entire planet and, in the process, creating a great deal of hate and strife.
At what level, national or international?
Quote from: ArMaP on December 29, 2016, 05:10:17 PM
At what level, national or international?
My opinion.....BOTH
Quote from: ArMaP on December 29, 2016, 05:10:17 PM
At what level, national or international?
You know, I've been giving you a pass because you seemed to be genuine, but that ended after I read your post. You stir the pot to amuse yourself and piss off others.
You know the answer to your own question. You just wanted to poke me with your stick again, and don't try to tell me you're playing devil's advocate to stimulate discussion because that is not what you are up to.
You obviously have not been tracking ArMaP across the board. :P
He does that to everyone.
But, I think he's harmless and has a good heart. ;D ::)
Now then.
QuoteThat Pizzagate thing is a load of crap just like the Sandy Hook conspiracy.
What Sandy Hook conspiracy? ???
Sandy Hook Redux: Obama Officials Confirm That It Was a Drill and No Children Died June 14, 2014 (http://www.thedailysheeple.com/sandy-hook-redux-obama-officials-confirm-that-it-was-a-drill-and-no-children-died_062014)
Jim Fetzer, Sofia Smallstorm, and Paul Preston | Veterans Today
Quote from: thorfourwinds on December 29, 2016, 08:52:59 PM
You obviously have not been tracking ArMaP across the board. :P
He does that to everyone.
But, I think he's harmless and has a good heart. ;D ::)
Now then.
What Sandy Hook conspiracy? ???
Sandy Hook Redux: Obama Officials Confirm That It Was a Drill and No Children Died June 14, 2014 (http://www.thedailysheeple.com/sandy-hook-redux-obama-officials-confirm-that-it-was-a-drill-and-no-children-died_062014)
Jim Fetzer, Sofia Smallstorm, and Paul Preston | Veterans Today
It doesn't matter. Either way, I don't like the game.
http://www.inquisitr.com/3727853/ufo-disclosure-obama-and-clinton-to-reveal-aliens-and-ufos-exist-before-trump-enters-white-house-advocacy-group-claims/
This disclosure looks like it won't happen. Obama seems obsessed with trivial nonsense as his feeble Presidency ends. I fail to see why Obama would waste time on nonsense like stirring up more trouble with Russia and objecting to Trump tweets if he had anything big to nail his legacy on Jan. 6.
Quote from: Irene on December 29, 2016, 07:05:02 PM
You stir the pot to amuse yourself and piss off others.
No, I was just asking a question.
QuoteYou know the answer to your own question.
No, if I did I wouldn't have wasted my time writing it.
QuoteYou just wanted to poke me with your stick again, and don't try to tell me you're playing devil's advocate to stimulate discussion because that is not what you are up to.
No, I was just asking a question.
Quote from: thorfourwinds on December 29, 2016, 08:52:59 PM
You obviously have not been tracking ArMaP across the board. :P
He does that to everyone.
Yes, I have this habit of asking questions when I want to know something. It works most of the time. :)
ArMap, surely you know that for every rule, exists an exception to that rule.
Shasta
Quote from: Eighthman on December 29, 2016, 11:01:47 PM
http://www.inquisitr.com/3727853/ufo-disclosure-obama-and-clinton-to-reveal-aliens-and-ufos-exist-before-trump-enters-white-house-advocacy-group-claims/
This disclosure looks like it won't happen. Obama seems obsessed with trivial nonsense as his feeble Presidency ends. I fail to see why Obama would waste time on nonsense like stirring up more trouble with Russia and objecting to Trump tweets if he had anything big to nail his legacy on Jan. 6.
I think the lame duck Potus is more worried about what they can nail his ass on instead of his legacy which is basically of being the worst Potus ever...And by the way, he can't pardon the sea hag because she hasn't been indicted yet...
I think Potus Trump needs to appoint
her as ambassador to Dubai, or Benghazi...
::)
Seeker
Quote from: Shasta56 on December 29, 2016, 11:12:13 PM
ArMap, surely you know that for every rule, exists an exception to that rule.
Yes, but I don't see the connection between that and this situation. ???
Quote from: Irene on December 29, 2016, 04:04:15 PM
That Pizzagate thing is a load of crap just like the Sandy Hook conspiracy.
All Trump has to do is navigate his way through the cloud of bulls**t surrounding him at inauguration and he'll be fine.
One thing really disturbs me prior to that event. Obama is acting like a spoiled child, so he is playing the game of Life with the entire planet and, in the process, creating a great deal of hate and strife.
There are some sick, sick bastards in control of this country and it utterly disgusts me.
Pizzagate, a load of crap?
Ha, yea, ok.
Hillary Clinton, John podesta, and Anthony Weiner are known pedarasts and paedophile filth who are involved in highly organised child sex trafficking, entrapment and sextortion.
Im real busy irl at the moment, but I will return when time allows to present a "case" .
The main reason I stopped using this forum was because of some of the ignorance displayed by its user base.
Quote from: Irene on December 29, 2016, 07:05:02 PM
You know, I've been giving you a pass because you seemed to be genuine, but that ended after I read your post. You stir the pot to amuse yourself and piss off others.
You know the answer to your own question. You just wanted to poke me with your stick again, and don't try to tell me you're playing devil's advocate to stimulate discussion because that is not what you are up to.
Lol, if you think ArMaP "stirs the pot" you should meet
me. I'm Sinny, nice to meet you.
What amuses me here is when some members
irrationality , meets ArMaPs
rationality .. and then you spit your dummy out and attack him with ad homs to boot!
ArMaP is a highly rational person, so am I, but he respects rules and regulations much more than I :D
Tickles me when I see the less rational people approaching from their less rational angles to make less rational points!
Yes, I've noticed you like to verbally abuse people you don't even know, and even those you know.
Invalidate my opinions with labels and condescension all you like since it seems to make you feel better about your personal brand of brilliance.
Verbal abuse, rofl.
Just pointing out facts.
Pizzagate is a legitimate scandal, and so is white supremacy, so until you start talking sense, you and your nonsense are fair game.
Who cares if I know you or not, I'm addressing your nonsense, more so than your being.. which are admittedly Interconnected.
You crazy cat lady 8)
Quote from: ArMaP on December 30, 2016, 12:07:01 AM
Yes, but I don't see the connection between that and this situation. ???
The rule is that you ask a question and get an answer. If you ask a question and don't get an answer, that's an exception to the rule.
Shasta
So, Crazy Cat Lady, let me ask you, what do you actually know about organised international elite pedophillia?!
Because I know a lot, thanks to following the rabbit holes in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal. (Know all about that one do you?)
Do you know about the Clinton Machine and its involvement in international child sex trafficking ?
Do you know about the SOS Childrens Villages fronts?
Snippet (which will make sense if you've done your homework)
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The War Against Truth Over at the RI Ranch (Or: Does RI Now Stand for Relentless Indignation?)
Over at the Rigorous Intuition forum, as some of you know, I continue to address (if not fend off) a seemingly endless dirge of denials, deflections, and dissemblings around #Pizzagate. As I wrote there, it's a bit like RI has turned into CTR. (Thread link.)
Seeing all of this fervent activity at the board, the more or less ceaseless effort to shut down, derail, or redirect the discussion (I am currently being accused of "hate speech"), the loose and sweeping theories, and the consistent avoidance of most or all of the more cogent arguments being made, is actually a rare and golden opportunity. We are seeing glamor magic/perception management in action by its effects.
I think the main effort at the RI board is to bombard the discussion with derision and denial relentlessly enough that it inspires, or obliges, mimesis. It's basically bullying aimed to intimidate those who are merely questioning the narrative, either into ceasing to do so and siding with the deniers (with their rather sad excuses for debunking), or double and triple down and start defending positions that we don't actually hold.
If every attempt to say "Look at this" is met with a "Nothing to see here, grow the frig up," the temptation is to TELL people what they should be seeing, overstate it, hyperbolize it out of all proportion, and so confirm the bias of the bullies and earn our whupping.
tapitsbo wrote:
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Pizzagate undoubtedly contains a weaponized component, but so do a lot of these stories and ideas. We all have our own investments in the conflict over our reality. The importance and nature of "truth" to that investment varies depending on your perspective
Discussion of the Clintons, Bushes, Kissinger, royal families, and associates need not be Manichean, in fact it had better not be if we are to rise above Icke/Jones style conspiratainment.
It's hard to deny that these figures play an important SYMBOLIC, one might almost say "magical" role that differentiates them from the run of the mill "elite"
The MSM is full of talk of armed retaliation against anyone who questions their narratives on subjects like Pizzagate. I'd be more worried about that than a bunch of hot air from people who have a track record of hardly ever doing anything...
My guess as to why so much energy and denial is going into this topic here and elsewhere is that it is simply too close to home. At least one poster at RI claims to have eaten at Comet Ping Pong, but even without such concrete examples of the familiarity of the hunting ground, this is no longer an attempt to scrutinize the predations of the elite but to see how the culture of totems and taboos, of control and permissiveness, created by these same elite has now so thoroughly owned us. Until they have sufficiently extricated themselves from it, at a deeper emotional, psychological, energetic level, people will fight to the death to defend that culture, and never fully realize what it is they are defending.
The rubber of conspiracy theory just met the road of cultural reality, and right now, there's a whole lot of yelling and barfing going on.
In the poll I created at RI ("What Is #Pizzagate?"), the second most selected option is "A Glimpse into Pedo-Culture in Washington, DC." Someone at my Faceborg page said "the world" would be a better descriptor. So how particular is that? What I am wholly convinced of is that the circumstantial evidence associated with #Pizzagate shows a collective awareness of and complicity with organized abuse of children among those responsible for this "messaging." The complicity and approval reaches the extent of making jokes (and so-called "art") about it with what looks like a sense of godlike impunity and snickering insider knowledge that only the initiated-hip know how good this poop really is. The apparent fact this sick, slicker hipster-insider culture overlaps with the hip, slick art scene and the hip, slick entertainment scene, and hence the world of at least some post-ers at RI has to be considered relevant when examining the level of fear and denial around the subject: IMO.
At a certain point (a day or two ago), it became clear that the bulk of the "dismissal" of "#Pizzagate" at RI involves the defense of and the "nothing to see here" claim about a specific area of the culture, namely the LGBT area. Alefantis, Majestic Ape and these creepy pedo-advocates get a FREE PASS because they might be gay or transvestite or practice some of the paraphilias that have been culturally green-lit and are now being softly enforced, at least insofar as questioning them on psychological or moral grounds is ipso facto evidence of ignorant prejudice.
Amazing how that's worked out isn't it?
And yet, some of us know for a fact that the gay subculture overlaps in countless ways with sadomasochism, pedophilia, and every other squalid vice (unsanctioned paraphilia) we can imagine. It just does, and if we want to pretend it doesn't because of our chosen value set, then we've just joined the ranks of useful idiots enabling the evils of the elite.
Like I said, here be the nub of the disagreement. A glimpse into pedo-culture in Washington DC (and the world) means recognizing how that culture has hidden itself inside other cultures, in order to safely move through and into our lives. One of those Trojan horse cultures is gay culture. I doubt I'd be bold enough to say that so plainly here, if we didn't have an insider to that culture who's been brave enough to speak out about this reality before.
Tetelestai. It is said. Let the heads roll where they may.
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Of course I was attacked for this, and one of the first strategies applied was the standard straw man argument, in this case conflating my criticism of gay culture with an accusation against homosexuals themselves.
As I wrote, these are two different propositions that have some overlap but still can and need to be addressed separately, namely, the overlap between paraphilias and former or socially accepted paraphilias (or "paraphilias"), e.g., homosexuality and pedophilia; and (secondly) the question of how much LGBT culture has formed, or been formed (I'd say it's a combination of both) partially as a cloak for . . . the sort of nasty poop under scrutiny at RI, at this blog, and elsewhere.
To be super-clear, and as far as I know based on all I have read and lived, most active (male) pedophiles are not (considered as) homosexual, BUT, they generally, statistically, prefer young boys. They are not considered homosexual because their preference is not for same-sex sex but for sex with children who happen to be boys (in their adult sex relations, they are usually heterosexual). Secondly, more importantly, their physical, emotional, and psychological gratification is less to do with sex per se than with power and dominance, with having someone under their complete control, i.e., they are sadists. (Strictly speaking, many, maybe even most, active pedophiles aren't so much pedophiles as sadistic sexual predators; but anyway. The S & M subculture also overlaps with LGBT so strictly speaking sadism is now socially condoned and protected also.)
What I am getting at, then, is not so much an overlap between, or conflation of, homosexuality and sexual child abuse, but that sexual child abusers may adopt a homosexual identity, lifestyle, and culture set as a means to facilitate their desires. I would even say that they have, over time, co-created this culture set, engineered it, to that same end.
This is something that ought to be of concern to homosexuals, obviously; and it IS of concern to ones I know personally. IMO, a person's sexual orientation should not in any way commit them to a given cultural set, any more than their skin color should.
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It was after that post that the accusations of hate speech began and the "opposition" doubled down. Since there is no sense trying to break down ideological programming with people who are working within those same programs (the aims are diametrically opposed), I have since changed tact and tried to bring the focus back onto Comet Ping Pong and the still unrefuted evidence for malfeasance there.
I did find some relevant new(ish) data at reddit and Voat, and posted it today:
Leaving aside all the meta-analysis and non-too-subtle thought control for a moment (which is all quite convenient for any possible perps should there actually be any crimes occurring), there's lots of excitement over at Voat over the connections literal and otherwise between CPP and Buck's Fishing & Camping, which Alefantis also owns. (There are 4 restaurants there: Comet Ping Pong, Little Red Fox, Bucks Fishing and Camping, and Besta Pizza.)
CPP is listed as having two floors; as is BFC
http://www.propertyshark.com/mason/Prop ... -DC-20008/
You can see in the pic these aren't 2-story buildings. BFC has a basement, hence "two floors."
Like Pastan, James Alefantis, owner of Comet Ping Pong in D.C., doesn't build his pizza sauce with DOP San Marzanos. For seven years, he has been buying late-harvest tomatoes from Toigo Orchards in Shippensburg, Pa., and canning them at nearby Stello Foods for use at Comet. Last year, Alefantis estimates, he bought 12 tons of Toigo tomatoes, which Stello turned into sauce and canned before trucking the jars to the basement at Buck's Fishing & Camping, Alefantis' other restaurant nearby.
http://www.philly.com/philly/food/resta ... looms.html
Others are saying that CPP & BFC are connected & that the proof is some of the CPP posters have said "access via BFC" ~ I don't know if this is true or not but obviously it would be significant if it is.
I remember in one of the Comet Ping Pong social events, the flier said access to the party was through Buck's Fishing and Camping. They are all physically connected.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/com ... for_james/
Another comment at same thread:
There's a documentary called "Chickenhawk – men who love boys 1994? They refer to pedos as "bucks" & an admitted pedophiles talks about taking children camping to have sex with them BUCKS FISHING AND CAMPING:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46nw1t7hCnU
There's also mention of the creepy BFC website pic, the site is down currently so I went to waybackmachine to see it. It's certainly tacky, I don't know if it quite sinks to the "creepy" level. Maybe for vegetarians?
https://web.archive.org/web/20160110152 ... mping.com/
Is it unrelated that the site is currently down?
Anyhow, I'd say all of this adds up to a reason to ... release the hounds of rigorous indignation again!?
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Clearly there's a concerted effort at RI to prevent any continued exploration of CPP, some of it probably benign if misguided, some of it not so benign. That's fine; it's evidence unto itself . . . of something. When the natives are getting as restless as this, it amounts to a strange, if distressing, form of confirmation that the bushes are being shaken.
For the record, as readers of this blog already know, I consider all culture to be a Trojan Horse. But if people don't do their homework, they will always rely on ideology to do their thinking for them. Why? Because they just keep on inviting the Trojans in. (Pay attention Irene ) it's painful to watch. I'm just glad there are a lot more eyes on the RI board than there are pieces with mouths.
Knowing that the silent voices are also the strongest (or sanest) is probably what keeps me in the ring.
That said, if anyone feels like mucking in over there, now would be a great time for it!
PS.
This just in. As yet unverified for authenticity.
*Image*
http://archive.is/IDBh5
https://twitter.com/RudolphGiuliani
This now goes to "Account Suspended"
Edit: It seems there is another RG Twitter account, considered the "official" one, here: https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani?lang=en
Edit 2: apparently the other account isn't "official either."
https://auticulture.wordpress.com/tag/pizzagate/
Well, Trump isn't innocent either, Trump Airlines and Trump Hotels have been involved in pedophillia entrapment... could that have anything to do with his back peddling on the Clintons?
Do you know how these operations are ran using chains of hotels, airlines, casinos, childrens homes, and other "philanthropic" endeavours?!
Start talking about what you actually know, or just
shut up. Your choice.
an old man at my church when i was in my teens,tryed to groom me,i turned back his advances,fishing was excuse for trips.
then as young adult,i was hitchhiking and an old man picked me up and took me to his house before ride to my place,he was a perv too.
i dont know if some old men just turn weird or all,i hope not too.
sinny should have a good view as didnt the queen step in and stop the msm from talking and printing about all the lords being pedofiles a couple years ago?
then i sorta busted a lone wolf factory and two days later their one lone wolf shoots up pizza place?
isnt obama trying to shut this up by claiming its fake?
yet not providing evidence its fake?
my own personal opinion,its this freemason crap,and if a flood light was shined,98%of hollywood,80%military contractors,70% business owners are involved in it and is basically a giant pyramid power structure,one of my best jobs,my boss turned out to be child molester,he got 3 life terms,his boss that hired me was freemason.
the old freemasons wear rings but most of the 20-60 year olds dont.
The whole of my time away from this forum has been spent elsewhere researching and documenting elite paedophillia.
It's in the Queen's best interests to stifle the story, because it leads right back to the palace.
Jimmy Savile was an Odd Fellow , as opposed to Freemason, although the Odd Fellows borrow heavily from Freemasonry.
He was a Knight of Columbus, Defender of the Realm, Freeman of the City of London, Honourary Green Beret, and an and on ad nauseum.
A Shepard of the Ango-Israel myth, a member of the house of Israel, descended from Japheth.. (apparently, rolls eyes*)
A servant of Israel, agent of the security services, mentor and groomer of the Royals.
A "layman of the left hand path", a man of the Process Church, necromancer, necrophiliac, child procurer, murderer, and a demon.
My knowledge of the Americans is not quite as extensive, but still decent.
Oh yea, and let's not forget "philanthropist, charity worker, DJ and TV presenter".
they are just different codewords for the tribe,each is welcome to the other as long as you are initiated.its just adds to the coverup,here where im at,they are the freemasons but they prefer"drinkin buddies or poker party",so as not to draw attention to who they are.
oh and that bs about foster parents is just that,them fps get 2000 $ per child,so they get a big ass house and a couple cadillac suburbans and 10 foster kids and thats 20,000$ a month plus other bonuses,then they strut around sayin my shit dont stink,please vote me into congress,while some poor family loses their kids because they smoke pot.its a big ass scam!
In regard to Trump, I fired off an email to PBS/NPR about their broadcasts and shared content on Facebook.
People are using their Facebook shares to advocate 'a new election', a 'do-over' and accusing people in government of 'treason' while PBS reports unsupported propaganda about Russian hacking.
In effect, they are recommending a coup de etat. Does PBS want to be involved in this? Do they want to drag their biased reporting to the razor edge of open insurrection?
The blindness and hypocrisy is appalling. The Saudis and Israelis nearly purchase politicians (including Hillary) and nothing gets done. Meanwhile, the Russophobes run wild.
russophobes,russo?lol
i had not heard of the insurrection .these folks are really takin this stuff too far.npr will pay for this bigtime at budget time.
You are right about NPR, they are having a "Panic Attack", they are about to lose millions in Federal Funding. They have fudged the truth and compromised themselves by insinuating that they are only funded by the people pledges.
And that is just for starters :o
Everyone needs to get on NPR and not cut them any slack; but then again we are talking about National Propaganda Radio... very ultra left wing wackos to the max, and yes, what they are promoting right now is an act of treason; I suggest they move to a Fascist or Communist state such as North Korea or China; I will contribute to a gofundme site to ship all their whining asses over there 8)
who's with me?
Seeker
I'm with you Seeker! Except I have no funds to fund. Plus the fact the A#%!s won't go, as long as the have people to torture. They seem to be "Happy Campers"! ???
Well those same anal retentive bozos need to get over it and focus on their own paradigm instead of trying to tell everyone else what to think,do, or say; they aren't qualified, and no one died and left them in charge; this isn't burger king and they don't get it their way...
::)
Seeker