Petrus's positive ethical stance; (slightly) different to Amaterasu's

Started by petrus4, October 20, 2012, 07:00:57 AM

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petrus4

Quote from: Amaterasu on October 18, 2012, 08:59:04 PM
I am rather amused that this topic has received no comments.  I was hoping to hear some thoughts about it...

AnyOne?

I've finally stopped just talking where Nimbin is concerned, and have bought a plane ticket; I leave on the 8th of November.

The reason why I mention Nimbin though, Amy, is because that is where I'm going to start trying to implement my own plan, where the Abundance Paradigm is concerned.  I'm truthfully not going to try and change a single other person, because I don't think I can.  What I'm going to work as hard as I can on, is raising my own sphere as much as possible. 

I've come to believe in multiple world theory now, to the point where I think that there's already a timeline out there somewhere where TAP has already happened.  I figure, however, that I can't live in a paradise of that magnitude, until my own energetic state is in resonance with it.  So I simply have to focus on being LOVE as much as I possibly can.

When I was a child, both of my parents used to literally sit in front of me, telling me over and over and over again; "You don't always get to do what you want in this life."

I was taught that misery is quite literally a moral imperative; that I should exercise, "discipline," but that the definition of discipline was forcing myself to do things which would ultimately only lead to unhappiness.  Martyrdom has always been the highest Christian ideal.  "Greater love hath no man than this, than that he lay down his life for his friends."

I also know that in response to this, I'm going to receive another reprimand from Zorgon, and that given the particular message that I'm expressing at the moment, said reprimand will be more forceful than any I've ever received from him before.  He's probably going to view it as being crucial, to put down this idea as strongly as he possibly can.

The point is, however, that where my needs are concerned, Zorgon is wrong.  I've realised that I've been wrong in trying to convert him as well; because in terms of his needs, his perspective is legitimate and justified.  What he needs simply is not what I need.  I don't expect him to understand that though, unfortunately, because part of his perspective is based around ruling other people.

Bashar has taught me however, and I've started to experience this, that unlike what my parents tried to instill in me, my own positive emotions really are the most effective compass I've got.  I'm not talking about avaricious physical gratification here, either, which can come at other people's expense; I'm talking about real, ecstatic joy, the kind which only improves both the health of the person feeling it, and also motivates said person to try and positively benefit others around them as well.

So I'm going to go back to Nimbin and live among the hippies.  And yes, I'm going to take mushrooms and marijuana and LSD.  At the same time, however, I'm also going to get involved with the neighbourhood center there, which focuses on feeding the local people who need it, among other things.  I'm going to act as a focal point for news from the outside world via the Internet, as I was doing last time, which was helping people; as well as providing files to people who didn't have the means to get them themselves.

If anyone else wants to view this is as something positive, you are free to do so.  I want to emphasise, however, that this is purely a description of what *I* am doing.  Practical belief in multiple world theory, more than anything else, has allowed me to also start to believe in a scenario where literally everyone can ultimately have what they prefer. 

So if Zorgon wants his kingdom, he can have that.  If the Muslims want a scenario where they conquer the planet, they can have that.  If Ray Kurzweil wants a scenario where everyone becomes cyborgs, he can have that.  The best part is, though, that there is no longer any fear of anyone imposing a scenario on me that I don't want; so I no longer NEED to convert anyone else, or get them to believe in a post-scarcity scenario or anything else.  I'm going to live in the scenario that I want to live in; and so will everyone else.  No fear or dominance required.

However, I've realised that, while not going to self-destructive excess, I have to become a genuine hedonist.  The reality is that I can't get to a future like that of Bill and Ted, until it literally comes alive within me.  I am no longer going to view misery as a positive moral imperative; because it is not.

If we want to have the ability to be excellent to each other, we have to also start being excellent to OURSELVES, first.



"Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburgers."
        — Abbie Hoffman

Amaterasu

Brilliant post, Petrus.  I have never felt that misery was a moral imperative, viewing it more as a control tool to keep the unhappy plebes in Their place, accepting the horrors TPTW inflict.

And truly, to manifest positively, We must hold that positivity within.

If You are correct, that We will all see the future We "put out there," then I will see TAP.  In fact...  In writing the story of Izzy, I persistently felt I WAS Izzy, giving Myself the info from the future...  It was quite a weird experience.

Thank You for such a thoughtful post!
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petrus4

Quote from: Amaterasu on October 20, 2012, 06:43:08 PM
If You are correct, that We will all see the future We "put out there," then I will see TAP.  In fact...  In writing the story of Izzy, I persistently felt I WAS Izzy, giving Myself the info from the future...  It was quite a weird experience.

I am not at all surprised.  You will remember, perhaps, that in the introduction of my own future projection piece, I referred to Izzy as a member of your own soul group from another timeline.  You would probably have roughly the same relationship with her that Darryl Anka has with Bashar, in that although Bashar is an ET, in linear terms he is one of Darryl's potential future selves.

If you were interested, you could probably look into channelling Izzy more; and I say more, because in order to write the original TAP, that's exactly what you would have been doing.  Izzy herself is already living there; and I would strongly suspect that the two of you having the same Oversoul, would be the explanation for why you're able to know as much about her reality as you are.  She would be sending you information back through the Oversoul link.  It is even possible that she knows about you consciously.

If this sounds incredible, realise that when JRR Tolkien wrote The Lord of the Rings, he mentioned afterwards that he felt that he didn't create any of it; he was sent the information by a source external to him.  Other timelines really do exist.
"Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburgers."
        — Abbie Hoffman

Pimander

So Petrus, are you going to stay in an alternative community?

petrus4

Quote from: Pimander on October 20, 2012, 08:31:34 PM
So Petrus, are you going to stay in an alternative community?

I do know some people in a multi-occupancy (which to some extent, is the contemporary euphemism for a commune, although I think there are some differences) up there around 45 minutes' drive outside the town, Pimander, but I'm going to be staying at a backpacker place on the outskirts of the town itself. 

That multi-occupancy, though, has a number of different houses on the same large block of land, which are owned in trust, by a group of individual owner-builders who form something like a council.  If I was to be honest, I would say that in some respects, it probably isn't all that different from one of Zorgon's fiefdoms, in the sense that there is a guy there who founded the place, and is more or less in charge of things, albeit very informally.  He'd probably be genuinely horrified by the idea of someone swearing fealty to him, but at the same time, he isn't opposed to making decisions, as long as he has agreement from people.

I don't, however, want to live in that scenario, mainly because it's too remote, and I don't drive a car.  Although the man is a friend, to some extent the idea of being under his authority also genuinely does repel me as well; and I would be more than most people there, because even though I suspect he probably would let me stay, (at least temporarily; the offer has been made before) I don't have the money to buy a formal stake in the property.

I have serious problems with putting myself under anyone else's jurisdiction, in all honesty.  I am to a limited degree where I'm currently living, (my mother) and I will be at the hostel as well of course; but there are degrees which I am prepared to live with, and which I am not.  I would never take an oath to anyone, because I honestly think it's wrong; not only for the person taking said oath, but for the person who they are accepting as an authority.
"Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburgers."
        — Abbie Hoffman

Pimander

So it is more an extended vacation with "like minded" people?  I hope you find what you're looking for mate.

I must say, since I split from my former partner and got my own place, I have been far happier being the Lord of my own little manor.  It's basically just a flat 20 minutes walk from the City Centre in Nottingham, England.  There is a tram stop 1 minute away so I can be in the City centre in 5 minutes.  It isn't the nicest area in Nottingham but I can afford a bigger flat for that reason.

I am fiercely independent.  I don't think a partner trying to tell me how much time I can spend online or in a lab suited me.  NOT ONE BIT!

If I swear fealty to anything it will be so I can maintain my Lordship. Zorgon, do I get to be ArchDuke?  If not, I'm the leader of the revolutionary council.  I even have my own Guillotine!

petrus4

Quote from: Pimander on October 20, 2012, 11:35:30 PM
So it is more an extended vacation with "like minded" people?  I hope you find what you're looking for mate.

Thanks, Pimander; and yes, I guess that is how you could look at it. :D

QuoteI must say, since I split from my former partner and got my own place, I have been far happier being the Lord of my own little manor.

I think the single darkest period of my own life, was living in my ex's house.  I've never been more miserable, before or since.  I truthfully have, to a small extent also done the leadership thing where other people are concerned, as well; the one thing I found incredibly distressing, was that the other people there really didn't seem to want to think for themselves at all.  So that taught me that not only do I not want to be ruled, but I don't want to rule either.  I admit, it was glorious at times; but there is more to life than narcissistic supply. ;)
"Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburgers."
        — Abbie Hoffman