UFO SIGHTINGS: MUFON Cases - 2 UFOs Photographed Over McAlester, Oklahoma

[zorgon]

GADZOOKS That pic is HUGE  took forever to load   

Now lemme ask you this   

1) I take a photo and manipulate it in a photo program...

2) When done I take a screen capture of the finished result

What will the historygram show now? 

[ArMaP]

GADZOOKS That pic is HUGE  took forever to load   

Sorry, I have a slow upload speed, like all home connections.

I changed the photos to links, at least now the page load is not affected.

Now lemme ask you this   

1) I take a photo and manipulate it in a photo program...

2) When done I take a screen capture of the finished result

What will the historygram show now? 

I will tell you tomorrow.

But, if you are working with a 100% zoomed image, I think the histogram will be the same, as what you see is what you get. A zoomed out image may hide some results from the histogram.

[thorfourwinds]

[deuem]

Yes that seems to be the gist of it. Photo editting leaves traces unless you are very very good. Not sure how cloning from one real image to another would show on Deuem process. I will have to clone one and see what Deuem shows...

Yes, If you take 3 original photos and layer them, the process will run as normal. It has no idea of what it is looking at. It just runs the photo.

I did notice something else I did not like about the sun. It is very difficult for me to see the suns rays continue below the mountain line and show on the trees better. It should have done that better. I don't see it at all. Now this all by itself is not a smoking lead. It is an oberservation that leans towards a problem and would need a lot more work to figure out for sure. But I really don't like to see any problems in a photo. It should just process and be done.

The other problem was in the head of the left UFO. See the gray triangle smudge block in the problem photo. Again not a killer but an add to the wrong side of the list. ( If you are making one )

[deuem]

Outside of the very clear cuts in the wheel, ( forget them ) Just look at the results.
The wheel is what I call dead. The only thing thing that happened is the process processed the colors in the wheel. It did not pick any extra waves, energy or rings, No atmospheric interference, no movement and what looks like a cut and past ring all around the object with blurring added.

The photo was very low res to begin with. I picked up NO sun rays at all. There is a chance that the sky has been altered or at least cleaned up around the building. I found a couple or eraser marks. This may have been done by someone else before you if you did not do it. Take out any antenas or gun turrets and secret service men.

I do get some reflective light from the ground spot lights. 6 of them. In the entire photo That is it for reflective light. The spot lights are reflecting some sun light and turning a bit into rings and adding a lot more color.

On the photo there is only a slight shadow or shading under the bushes on the right. I see no long shadows in the photo anywhere. So I am guessing this was shot close to noon. If that is so, the the object should also cast a shadow straight down or even slightly to the left. The ground is clear of shadows. Visual and processed.

[deuem]

If you want to use Photoshop, Copy a photo and paste it. PS will create a new layer with a working layer. On the new layer just chose the layer option multiply and you get the dark photo equal to the original. Next flatten the image and your done with the darkening. Nothing fancy on the dark work. 4 clicks and done.  Again another one in the wrong list..

[deuem]

So, it would be safe too say that the Deuem process is picking up the natural lighting of the Sun but when this photo 'Could Have Been' photo-shopped or layered, the Deuem process is filtering through the garbage still picking up the illumination ring's of the Ambient Sunlight available during the original image started with?

This would be a 100% correct statement as far as I am concerned. "Bingo".

Moving real object from photo to photo should still process real. It makes life difficult to tell what is real. This is why I also went after the Math. Thor went that way also. math shows things that Deuem can not.

The only thing done to date that might make sence is the bug/seed pod 2.3 meters from the lens. But there are so many other problems with the story and photo it is very hard to believe this is a real honest photo that has not been changed to fit a hoax.

Has anyone seen if Mufon has done anything on this or have other groups worked it yet? Maybe there are more answers on line that I can't get to.

[deuem]

But, as if by magic if you add a little blur to the photo, everything in tight or close to the camera will go away. Maybe you should try it a few hundred times and get back to me.

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by that.

Sorry, I don't understand which part you are having problems with.

Magic

a little blur

Tight or close

go away

try a few hundred times.

I guess you understood, get back to me, cause you did that part ok.
     
Magic

The word magic is used here to refer to magic tricks. "Whala a flower", "See the girl, now see a tiger" Illusion is part of magic tricks and all English speaking people would understand why I used that word. A simple snap of my fingers and the object changes. Don't look here, look here.
     
A little blur. The opposite of a lot of blur.

In a photo manipulation program one can add the blur process to the photo. There are many types of blur techniques. In PS you can adjust the amount of blur from 0 to 156. I have noticed over the years that if an object is really close to the lens yet other objects are far away that this process will assist one to determine the location of focus. By adjusting the blur just a few points the 2 UFOs go so far out of focus that you can no longer see them yet the rest of the photo you can make out items.

Keep raising the focus to the limit and you will see that something in the photo will remain recognizable to you. That object is most likely right in the middle of the original camera focus. This is something one has to try over and over to get a feel for it. And since it is an artistic look you won't like it anyways. There has to be a mathematical calculation for this but I don't have it and no time to design it. It just works for me.
     
tight or close

These are words we can use in English to mean that an object is very close to you. It is tight. It is lose means it is farther away and not close.
     
go away

This means that the object will no longer be in focus for your eyes and will go away. It will disappear off the screen. The blur will give it the look of it not even being there.  This is a process i use to tell if a UFO is a crack or bird dropping on a windshield.

It is also the same process i used to determine a very complicated ISS space photo where I figured out that a certain UFO was the result of a glue smudge of a footprint sticker put on the window and removed. It was one of my most memorable Deuem moments that lasted several months with all sorts of trolls and friends working on it. The Deuem process nailed it on the first pass and I called it a sticker on the window. It took me several months to prove it by searching archives but I did. Trolls ate crow and friends had a party. Bottom line the slight blur process worked and then Deuem backed it up on that photo. Many others with stuff on glass or car windows. They will go away. Blend in, disappear.
     
try a few hundred times

This means do it once, then twice, then a third time and keep doing it on different photos until you hit the 300 mark. After you have tried at least 300 different photos and have a solid background on blurring close objects to the lens, write a report and I will read it. I am interested in what you will find. Please don't bother me if you only do 1 or 2 photos and think you have it licked. It takes a masters eye and a lot of practice to get it right.
     
If you still don't understand what I mean, I am sure you will feel free to ask again.

Also if you research blur you will find a lot of information but it is much better if you do it yourself as a practice with photos to get your own artistic idea. If one can not see with artistic eyes the above letter will be worthless and sorry for the long explanation.

Life is not all Black and White, there is a lot of Gray to deal with.

If one lets his/her mind be open to both the analytic world and the artistic world you can then process both halves of your brain. Let them argue it out.  All of the best problem solvers in the world start off with an Artistic image in their head and then apply Math to figure it out. Along the way the Artistic side and the Math side come to some agreements and we get things like Space Shuttles, Pyramids, Empire State Building, Atomic Submarines, Planes that fly around the world and other great achievements of mankind. They all start with sketches and common knowledge of the times. Everything we wear, drive and see around us started with Art. Without Art, Math would be just for counting apples. Mankind has used math to make art work..

[ArMaP]

Thanks for the explanation, Deuem, now I understand what you meant.

[ArMaP]

If one lets his/her mind be open to both the analytic world and the artistic world you can then process both halves of your brain. Let them argue it out.  All of the best problem solvers in the world start off with an Artistic image in their head and then apply Math to figure it out. Along the way the Artistic side and the Math side come to some agreements and we get things like Space Shuttles, Pyramids, Empire State Building, Atomic Submarines, Planes that fly around the world and other great achievements of mankind. They all start with sketches and common knowledge of the times. Everything we wear, drive and see around us started with Art. Without Art, Math would be just for counting apples. Mankind has used math to make art work..

If you replace "art" with "imagination", I agree.

[deuem]

More than just imagination but not such things as painting or works of art. They are the results of artistic. Just like 4 is the result of 2+2

Atristic is a part of the brain that is not Analytical....Its what dreams are made of !

[Elvis Hendrix]

Thats what Plato called "The Classic, Romantic Split"
You can see it every day in different peoples modality.

Some folk live think and act in colours and melodies and ideas.

and others live think and act in absolutes, and tangables and time frames.

Its always intrigued me.

[thorfourwinds]

Thats what Plato called "The Classic, Romantic Split"
You can see it every day in different peoples modality.

Some folk live think and act in colours and melodies and ideas.

and others live think and act in absolutes, and tangables and time frames.

Its always intrigued me.

GOLD, my friend...