Has This Been Debunked Or Confirmed?

[Littleenki]

Someone should call David Wynn Miller......he will tell you the straight poop. The people's trust isnt getting anywhere, and they are under duress from every angle. Stuff like this is for those who have no possessions, and no property, and therefore have nothing to lose physically by declaring themselves sovereign. Anyone out there want to put their home and possessions up against the most evil entity to have ever existed, the US Government? As of now..not me.

Truth is..if someone rejects all authority in the form of government, then they will unfortunately be dealt with appropriately by said government.

So what will "I" do?

Watch the snake, and make sure I dont take my eyes off of his head....

[burntheships]

Good points LE,

My only caveat would be that the U.S. Government is not
the most evil...there are plenty of other nations out there
whoreing in with the shadow government, and the banking
cabals.

And, we must remember that abundance is up to us,
it will not be handed to us, or sent via usps in a brown
envelope from scam artists.

We are only free if we are free indeed, in our own minds.
If we imagine we need permission from a UCC filing to
be free, where does that leave one without it?

True freedom comes from being at peace with ones choices
in life, and ones own beliefs. 

Make of life what you want it to be, you do not need a
UCC to be a "sovereign" person, in the real true sense
life, body mind and soul.

The government can not provide a utopia, life
is what each one of us makes of it.

[1Worldwatcher]

When I had put my first post up on this, I had too take it with a grain of salt. My personal researching is limited with PC issues, but wasn't convinced it was what we would call "The Real Deal" with how the document was worded and then tended to go off on a tangent of accountability tied in with 'Governmental Conspiracy' and kind of went from there.

I had inquired about these so called signers of this document as well, I have never heard of them and wasn't sure of their credibility from square one.

Would be nice to think we had such a strong hold on our current governmental affairs and Representatives, but it is a far cry for this actually happening.

Thanks LE and BTS for the links information, can't be 100% positive, but we know these scams are out there doing more harm than good. Was a very interesting read as I progressed, but was confusing when it came to the legalized wording and bashing, that didn't fit the bill for me too be authentic in any way shape or form.

Maybe you can provide direct links BTS, know your in the know of such associations and can read them from a mile away...

1WW

[Littleenki]

Good points LE,

My only caveat would be that the U.S. Government is not
the most evil...there are plenty of other nations out there
whoreing in with the shadow government, and the banking
cabals.

True BTS, I forgot about the religions and the various horrifying dictators which have existed through the millenia in my statement..gotta give credit where due!

And, we must remember that abundance is up to us,
it will not be handed to us, or sent via usps in a brown
envelope from scam artists.

True as well, scams like these just get people into a more vulnerable state for the elitists to rip their flesh off and eat their bones..must keep shields up to avoid such ridiculous efforts

We are only free if we are free indeed, in our own minds.
If we imagine we need permission from a UCC filing to
be free, where does that leave one without it?

True freedom comes from being at peace with ones choices
in life, and ones own beliefs. 

Make of life what you want it to be, you do not need a
UCC to be a "sovereign" person, in the real true sense
life, body mind and soul.

The government can not provide a utopia, life
is what each one of us makes of it.

Precisely, only we can provide that Utopian life...the government is the wall which we must hurdle to get to it...they cant ever take away what we are instilled with as a species..they can only try to prolong the suffering of the human race for their own vile needs as long as they can.

Cheers!
Le

[Anynonmouses]

I get a kick out of the evolution of the conversation. I post info asking for debunking info, and instead of providing that, now Le and BTS just use rhetoric like "scams like this" without establishing (other than opinion) any facts contrary to the assertions made by OPPT, except to say someone isn't a lawyer, etcetera. Frankly I was hoping for more data--hard facts, or specifics as to WHY this isn't true.

I agree that the net effect is that nothing has changed in the way the federal government operates...as if this isn't happening (much like the ufo phenomena) , but perhaps this is something to investigate further. I have found nothing debunking this yet, just fringe statemewnts about one document having signature issues and conjecture.

Peace and Love,
JD

[sky otter]

from readin some of your stuff it seems to me that you are conducting snipe hunts here
merely an observation not a participation


definition for any who never heard of it:

A snipe hunt is a type of practical joke that involves experienced people making fun of credulous newcomers by giving them an impossible or imaginary task. The snipe hunt may be assigned to a target as part of a process of hazing.

[Littleenki]

I agree Sky.

...and also I feel that rhetoric is only that if it hasnt been shown to be correct numerous times over again.

After reading your posts and replies JD, Im certain I could "snipe" at YOU for being a bit self important and holier than thou to many who read here, but as for me I am not that type of person..I prefer truth over drama, so you wont get a rehash of a bad broadway play out of me sir.

This OPPT "movement" has been underway for quite some time, with zero results except to make the PTB aware that there are those who are on that fringe you speak of JD. I have been personally invited by certain people who are at the top of this and have declined kindly to their asking me to join.

Joining such a "movement"

Kinda like sticking one's cranium into the air from the safety of a pillbox if you ask me.

To lessen the control the government has upon us, we need to assemble en masse, not piddly diddle and rant upon the web..action speaks louder than words, so good for you JD, youre making a move to get their attention thats for sure.
I just hope you dont have a great deal to lose by exposing yourself as someone who want to stir their already poison filled pot. Good luck with that....

As for credible linkage to ideas and theories describing the futility of such a "movement", I placed the name David Wynn Miller upon my post, to give those with time to fear and worry a place to go to get the real scoop on who controls our lives from every aspect...I just dont have time to worry and fear myself, as it isnt going to change a thing.

Other than that Id surmise, Sky and I will be gardening today in our respective fear free zones where we can be with the one who really loves all of humanity...nature.

Cheers!
Le

[burntheships]

Maybe you can provide direct links BTS, know your in the know of such associations and can read them from a mile away...

1WW,

A very good place to start, if one is looking for documents is the very site
of the OPPT to start with....from there is a list of the three people,
Heather and two men, and they have up there also the documents
they purport to be the "basis" of the "trust".

I am going to just say here that I will go through my hisotry if I have
time, and  if I retrieve other supporting links i will post them,
however, much of what I know comes from my education, which I
can not go into here,  my backgound and knowledge of financial
instuments, and banking.

Believe me when I tell you countless thousands of gullible
individuals have lost untold sums of money to scammers,
some scams are not as beleivable as this one is,
yet they succeed in getting other peoples money.

A good rule here : if it sounds too good to be true, it is a scam.
They key here with this scam, as with all "good" scams,
they lure you with the promise of a large sum of money
to be had, if you will just do the simple things they tell you.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like one too,
its likely a duck.

And, I only say this because I care, I have nothing to gain,
I am just trying to save someone from shelling out time
and money, for something that ultimately will hurt them in
the end.

[burntheships]

I get a kick out of the evolution of the conversation.

That happens alot here, just look at the hundreds of threads
where the topic starts at a point, and "evolves". This is only
logical.

I post info asking for debunking info, and instead of providing that, now Le and BTS just use rhetoric like "scams like this"

Well, sir you have admitted that you can not prove the OPPT to be
true, so with that in mind, if someone counters that it is a scam,
that is only logical.

any facts contrary to the assertions made by OPPT, except to say someone isn't a lawyer, etcetera.

Is that not a red flag to you, that Heather has no license to practice
law? Would you entrust your hard earned fiat money to be managed
by an Investment Firm, or a stock broker if they had no license?

Frankly I was hoping for more data--hard facts, or specifics
as to WHY this isn't true.

......I have found nothing debunking this yet, just fringe statemewnts about
one document having signature issues and conjecture.

fringe statements?

Sir, the only thing "fringe" is the OPPT.

Rememeber, all currency is fiat, unless it is backed by gold or silver or
precious metals, and I am going to go further, and say that even if it is
currency backed by paper certificate it is fiat....

That is the biggest clue, the OPPT purports they are going after
the huge sums of fiat currency that the banks hold. Look at Cyprus,
and see what happens to fiat currency.

And, some say that OPPT is going to get to the gold
held by the Federal Reserve, or The World Bank.

This is beyond fringe, for goodness sakes, Germany wants
its gold back, and it is going to take years for it to be recovered
from The Federal Reserve. Why? Because it is not there!

The key is, they have no legal standing to "take" fiat
currency that is not in an account that has thier name
on it, that is simple banking law.

So, one would have to examine the logic here, in that
the OPPT has no legal standing to "take back"
untold sums of fiat currency from the Reserve banks,
and even if they did....they are not going to get it.

[1Worldwatcher]

So far these are some very good point's not to trust what this group is trying too convey and postulate with in unrealistic promises and capitalizing with the leagal jargon as if it were written in stone.

When Anynonmouses had posted this thread, I read all of the information with in that provided further information dealing with this 'Declaration' and I couldn't not help wanting this too be true, err go the baited luring of the concepts of a group that has intentions of broken promises and rather shallow respect for fellow civvies.

However, I do believe Anynonmouses has in his heart for the bettering of mankind, which is a commendable and rather Humbling considering that TPTB have had these types of shenanigans in place for centuries and really 'Hoping' for the day when all these character defects with in the governmental operations, both the US and abroad, will finally be recognized for what they truly are, and dealt with as though it was a guy named 'Bernie Madoff' and pay the price. The reason I used good ole Bernie as example is because o f the similarities yet different chain of events and eventual incarceration, which there are so many of these 'Types' with in the governmental institutions that should get the same as Bernie did. Not a whole heck of a lot of difference, from what I can tell from the beginning to the end of the explanations provided by MSM and court ruling's with accurate and instilled laws and regulations. IMHO

Up until this therad was created, I wasn't sure if I had ever heard of them before, I even went through some of Amaterasu petition areas too see if I could locate any more affiliation information, but my PC is really in bad shape as of right now, and retyping all the information I have to share is rather mundane and tedious. (Man, do I miss Cut & Paste Option!!! ) So doing research is compounded for me , it is like 10X's the work for something that usually would take me an hour to at least get closer to the truth of the matters at hand. Not too mention how it has effected my participation with IG and anything else I have to converse over and about.

"Sorry for the inactivity of my research for this topic Anynonmouses, if I could get deeper I would."

Either way, it is a true eye opener for us to remain vigilant and postured for anything that anyone can throw our way as far as deception and blatant robbery/scams of these type s of groups. But even as I type this response, I can't help but think of how the 'Declaration' was composed and the wording there with in it. It was a bit 'Cheesy' for lack of a better word.

Wish there could be more honesty and heart felt trust in the world, but, I don't see thing's being reversed when it comes too the whole trust issues, especially with in Gov. and local Gov. spending and out right exploitation of such things as financial welfare of it's voters or backers. Sad really.

1WW

[Anynonmouses]

Thank you for all the comments, especially yours 1WW. I'm not trying to be gullible here; I'm NOT proceeding in any way as if it's true, and I'm certainly not putting my money (not that I have any) into this, just a bit of research...and there isn't much to go on.

Until I learn differently I have zero problem with being leery of OPPT's material...I just don't KNOW enough to outright say it's a scam (yet).

As far as changing things by grouping lots of people together with signs and porta potties, I advise against it. Nowadays gathering in groups means the potential exists for a physical slaughter, and the government is preparing for such gatherings of concerned, fed-up citizens. Signs don't change much anyway, but actions do.

I'm aware that I'm probably on some government watch list because of some direct things I've said to the leadership members of government, mostly via Twitter. I make NO apologies for my statements; they were true, and I have nothing to lose...correct. I truly don't give a rat's backside what the potus thinks of me--I have my opinion of them as well, and we're not exactly on friendly terms.

On my LyricsByJD account I had the president, Hillary, the Joint Chiefs of Staff and dozens of other candidates, senators and representatives etcetera following what I Tweet, because I poke sharp stick at the powerful all the time, and will as long as I breathe because of their heinous activities around the planet.

Be that as it is, still...in regards to this thread, I humbly thank you all for the tough love.

Peace and Love,
JD