Mandela ,President Bloodlines and Aliens

[astr0144]

Since my last post I can see further comments have been made from yourself and Sinny ...There may be a few further things to consider or add...

I have took a look at the two videos and I will try and make some comments as I go...But there may be one or two points that I did not address earlier to comment on.. I may answer in more than one reply and try not to overload each part with too much varied information.

It may be a catch 22...If we have no Alien,  we may not be able to define a human or animal type being as being ET connected / related or not, as we have nothing to compare them with. As we probably by now know the overall expected sources of Human DNA.... we could only speculate if we found certain so called Bloodline related Humans that MAY show a different DNA ( If that is Possible ) and suggest that it/they may be connected to an Alien Bloodline ...as we have no actual certain Alien or E.T DNA to compare..

I know we do not need to see a Alien type abduction with Bodies , limbs , organs, blood etc in order to accept evidence... and that all it takes is a few small fragments maybe taken from a scene or abductee to find a sample of a few Cells in order to do a test to determine the DNA..I think
Watching some CSI / Police TV programs have taught us about that .


When you say....

Even if we have an alien, we still have no proof it is an ET

...I am not sure how you or we or who ever may define and Alien and or an E.T.... I assumed for the sake of our discussion that normally on PRC we call an Alien and E.T... but I know that Alien can be defined in various ways..ie some Humans can be classed as Alien if they are strangers..


Yes searching for an Alien or E.T is the problem...and How do we know what an E.T really should be or look like...OK we see the movies, stories  and drawings or  images..theories and descriptions..from Hollywood or the so called witnesses ( even that of Roswell or similar known stories) but as yet I am not or certain anyone has actually proved they exist.

So I say we start by looking at evidence for aliens and see whether what that teaches us

I think you may refer to some of my above statement in your comments below...

In my opinion the evidence does not point to a straight ET explanation so far, although that may well be part of the answer.  The phenomenon has too many unexplained characteristics to have such a simple explanation

Basically to prove a bloodline has anything to do with aliens would require a DNA sample.  To get that would mean a few cells from an alien (one of the reasons many abduction researchers explanations are absurd) to compare DNA sequences.  We have no alien so we are at an impasse.

Even if we have an alien, we still have no proof it is an ET.  So I say we start by looking at evidence for aliens and see whether what that teaches us.  In my opinion the evidence does not point to a straight ET explanation so far, although that may well be part of the answer.  The phenomenon has too many unexplained characteristics to have such a simple explanation.

[astr0144]

Upon watching the Jacques Vallee video...He discusses some interested, thought provoking points...The 1st one being, Acknowledging that he was chosen by  Steven Speilberg  to base  the French Scientist UFO researcher character in the movie"Close Encounters"...

I think that I understand most of what he talks about in some sense... but may not be clear on certain parts and may interpretate  some things in possible varied ways.

For eg ..I think he suggests that he does not think that UFOs or Alien E.Ts have to come from travelling through Space or the Ets may be visitors from other planets as we or most Humans would think off and that he would be VERY disappointed if this was just the case, as he thinks that UFOs , that they could be much more interesting ..

The Interviewer Jeffrey Mishlove then refers to do you mean that they may come from another dimension or time or space...and that he says that he thinks that we do not understand Time and Space... Then he goes on to describe them from being physical objects and How we may interpretate certain things about them and the effects that they may have on us consciously and psychologically , as well as Human believes about UFOs/ETs..and then goes on to talk about a few various other things..such as egs of sitings..one of the main stories that really interested him ( which no doubt does seem fascinating from what he describes)

He later refers to describe physically how we may determine a UFO and compares a UFO to a Nuclear reactor as being a lot of high energy source within a set small space..but with having emitted through Light energy and pulsed micowave energy.  2) Then he describes how it may effect anyone who may be close to it upon witnessing it..3) He describes what is the Social effects on our culture and belief systems..

But within or After this...I am not sure that he really offers to much further indepth analysis as to what his more indepth  other dimension space and time theory may be...

As he refers to Light energy and Microwave Pulses...and another dimension...I assume that he may be referring to other parts of the Electro-magnetic Frequency (EMF) spectrum...which MAY be coming from other forms of wavelengths as I think I may consider.. If so...

This I would Not dismiss..and I have seen theories based upon this before...In Physics the EMF consists of a series of various wave lengths of which Light is Just one part of it that we as Humans can actually see..
( Or I think we are led to believe that we can  as Light is also of another form that being a particle as in the Quantum Physics world )

Other parts of the EMF are in terms of size of wavelength starting with larger to small waves are :   Radio waves ...( Long Medium and Short waves ),  Microwaves, Infra red, Ultraviolet and X Rays and Gama Rays..

Thinking that maybe physical solid or visible non solid type of objects as we may think of them could exist within another wavelength other than visible light...may be difficult to understand for some, but for others who have some understanding this may seem possible.. just as an example.

some describe these wavelengths as having different phases...Like a sinewave can vary in its pattern and form.. that may be described as existing within the either...( Space /Universe)

Then if objects could not exist within these EMF wavelengths as we know it..then maybe there are other forms or phases of waves or frequencies that they could exist in that we are still yet to discover.. like Parallel universes.. This I could possible believe to be possible if this is what Jacques Vallee refers to...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation

I am not sure that just the Human belief system and psychological effects would  or could be reasons alone to say if enough people believe that something has to be real without some more of a scientific or technical reason....

But thinking that UFOs or ETs could arrive from other parallel universes that I could seriously consider as a possibility..

And that is something that David Icke has talked about ..

If you have time listen carefully to what you hear from these guys ...Jacques Vallee and  Terrence Mckenna.  Please do it if you want to understand there is more to this that you normally hear on the web.

I don't agree completely with any researcher but they are worth a listen.  All UFOlogists need to broaden their perspective and I include myself in that.

[Sinny]

When you say.......I am not sure how you or we or who ever may define and Alien and or an E.T.... I assumed for the sake of our discussion that normally on PRC we call an Alien and E.T... but I know that Alien can be defined in various ways..ie some Humans can be classed as Alien if they are strangers..

Agreed, Pim baffled me here too.

In regards to your comments Astro, about EMF and Dimensions, I find this perfectly acceptable also.
I however do not make the general distinction between extraterrestrial and extradimensional - as the details are slightly irrelevant until the human race actually acknowledges it isn't alone.

I think the problem in the UFO field is too many people researching the wrong paths, and making the wrong points.

For example, a fair starting point in my opinion would be MY governmant acknowledging that I saw a bonafide saucer.
Secondly, then the need to disclose if they were spying on me, or if it was an unknown, (or known  ) intelligence.
Then we can poke them for info on the occupants.

Less of the Demon/Alien crap - something IS there, and that's whats important.

[Sinny]

Got to say Pimander, I'm only just verifying the work of Valle, and I've already found a few mishaps - perhaps one of the most interesting is the fact that he states in Messengers Of Deception Goerge Hunt Williamsons real name was Michel d'Obrenovic.

This was later confirmed by the Yugoslavian Government as false.
They housed a royal house by the name at one stage, however Goerge was most certainly born in Chicago by Mr & Mrs Hunt.

I hate shoddy workmanship.

[A51Watcher]

Agreed, Pim baffled me here too.

What he's getting at is they well may be terrestrial aliens, likely based either underground or underwater, and have been around a long time.

The ability of aliens to wander around without space suits or breathing apparatus and breathe the air just fine, points to a long term acclimation is the point he feels must be addressed.

There well may be visits from ET aliens as well, but they appear to be in the minority in his view.


Least ways that's what I get from his discussions on the subject.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=5372.0



Anthra has just posted a new video he made that addresses the subject of Zeta Reticulum being the possible culprit home world of aliens that breathe oxygen -


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=5836.0

[Pimander]

I however do not make the general distinction between extraterrestrial and extradimensional

There is a big difference from a science perspective.  An alien from a "parallel dimension" could be a very "near" neighbour and interact with us constantly.  That an ET would interact with us as frequently as the UFO/alien phenomenon suggests may be possible but seems unlikely.  This is one of the strength of the EDH.

- as the details are slightly irrelevant until the human race actually acknowledges it isn't alone.

But the difference could be hugely important when deciding how to make contact.


So to answer astro and yourself, I think there may be multitudes of aliens (think spiritualism, shamanism, Gods also) there may be very few ETs in contact with Earth.

[Sinny]

But the difference could be hugely important when deciding how to make contact.

Can we not just make a big sign?