The New Area 51 for Saucer spotting ?

[Linda Brown]

Luck and every other good force we can call toward us!  Linda

[The Seeker]

Russo, Dood, Matyas, Lucy, Doc Deal, Exuberant   

I knew Matt was MIA, hadn't seen exuberant or dood around recently; you haven't heard from any of them,Z?  I know all too well how tough things are for most all... yet I also feel more at work than most would acknowledge... all I can say is to stay focused, people, to be positive in all things and in all we do; don't fall into the trap of worry and fear; bump this timeline towards the bright positive goal we wish with our will and desire fueled by our spirit ...


seeker

[astr0144]

FTAO  John Lear.

This is a Map that Zorgon posted a few weeks ago that allows you to zoom in. and show up more detail.

http://uk.flightaware.com/resources/airport/KLAS/sectional

also see page 4 reply 47 posted June 5th


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1391.60

[ShotInTheDark]

Hi Zorgon,

Thank you for your reply and info.

I note what you say about the map and I hope John can comment later...

That is quite concerning what you have said about BP and EF
at AS and how they effected OMs...

I suppose we all have to be careful when referring to someone including me if I comment now about what you have said...
BUT yes I agree what you say about their comments about John and Bob....

Before I was invited to PRC... I had just joined A.S and had been reading BPs comments on Bob and John back then...and I was not too pleased nor agreed with what he was saying...

So I think I know what you mean..

Id like to learn from you some day how to handle outright lies in the best manner...without threats or suggesting lawsuits There is no doubt an art to it.

and this no doubt applies to the real world as well as online.

I have a situation myself that I would like to know how best to go about it...

Although it no doubt depends upon the persons personality and abilities as to how well they can go about it successfully.

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Hello everyone on PRC.
I would like to make a statement . I was reading this most interesting post when I was kind of thrown off balance when I saw the link to Alienscientist forum. If you look Bigpappy51 had all of his [posts taken down on purpose and also tried to leave the forum long ago but they would not allow him to take down his posts.

I want to make something very very clear to everyone on here. Bigpappy51 never badmouthed John Lear he respects Lear too much. However he did badmouth Bob Lazar and deeply regrets it. 3/4 of the posts made against Bob Lazar in Bigpappy51s name were Copy and pastes that Ed Fouche told Pappy to post under Bigpappys51s name. Edgar Fouche has been on a massive mission to destroy Bob Lazar and he got BP51 tied up in the whole mess again BP51 regrets and apologizes 100% for anything negative ever said!!!! I think Fouche brainwashed Pappy ans others agree.

BigPappy51 erased these Posts a year ago or more and lost Moderator Status and Edgar Fouche put Bigpappy51s bash posts up under BP51s name against BP51s will. Even though BP51 was labeled a moderator he was only a Moderator for about 2 months on that forum. He left the forum and have all his posts deleted so any bashing would be gone and also they hacked his account and wrote things in it that were not true.

Bigpappy51 is no longer associated with Ed Fouche or any of the people who run Alienscientist forum.

[astr0144]

Just adding this to this thread as Reference....

A Youtube video from "UFO Hunters"..
about :Dugway Proving ground" near to Wendover that is suggested as the new Area 51...where they may have moved to after Bob Lazar exposed what had been going on at S4 / Area 51.


Area 52 "The New Area 51" .




This is a link to another new similar thread....

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6102.msg84674;topicseen#new

The show investigates the Dugway Proving Ground, a remote military testing facility near Dugway, Utah, and examine the reports of UFO activity that has surrounded the site for the past 10 years -- leading some UFO watchers to dub it "Area 52" and "The New Area 51."

Dugway's mission is to test, implement US and Allied biological and chemical weapon defense systems in a secure and isolated environment. DPG also serves as a facility for US Army Reserve and US National Guard maneuver training, and US Air Force flight tests--mostly from nearby Hill Air Force Base in Ogden. DPG is controlled by the United States Army Test and Evaluation Command (ATEC). The area has also been used by Army special forces for training in preparation for deployments to the War in Afghanistan and alien environments, including Colombia and Mars.

In March 1968, 6,249 sheep died in Skull Valley, an area nearly thirty miles from Dugway's testing sites. When examined, the sheep were found to have been poisoned by an organophosphate chemical. The sickening of the sheep, known as the Dugway sheep incident, coincided with several open-air tests of the nerve agent VX at Dugway. Local attention focused on the Army, which initially denied that VX had caused the deaths, instead blaming the local use of organophosphate pesticides on crops. Necropsies conducted on the dead sheep later definitively identified the presence of VX. The Army never admitted liability, but did pay the ranchers for their losses. On the official record, the claim was for 4,372 "disabled" sheep, of which about 2,150 were either killed outright by the VX exposure or were so critically injured that they needed to be euthanized on-site by veterinarians. Another 1,877 sheep were "temporarily" injured, or showed no signs of injury but were not marketable due to their potential exposure. All of the exposed sheep that survived the initial exposure were eventually euthanized by the ranchers, since even the potential for exposure had rendered the sheep permanently unsalable for either meat or wool.

The incident, coinciding with the birth of the environmental movement and anti-Vietnam War protests, created an uproar in Utah and the international community. The incident also starkly underscored the inherent unpredictability of air-dispersal of chemical warfare agents, as well as the extreme lethality of next-generation persistent nerve agents at even extremely low concentrations.

Following the public attention drawn to Area 51 in the early 1990s, UFOlogists and concerned citizens have suggested that whatever covert operations, if any, may have been underway at that location were subsequently transferred to DPG.

The Deseret News reported that Dave Rosenfeld, president of Utah UFO Hunters, stated:
" "Numerous UFOs have been stored and reported in the area in and around Dugway...[military aircraft can't account for] all the unknowns seen in the area. It might be that our star visitors are keeping an eye on Dugway too...[Dugway is] the new area 51. And probably the new military spaceport.