Could German UFO files finally reveal whether aliens have visited Earth?

[zorgon]

Could German UFO files finally reveal whether aliens have visited Earth? Court forces government to release top secret documents



Existence of the UFO-related files was disputed as recently as 2008
UFO enthusiasts have pushed for their release, resulting in a legal battle
The German Supreme Administrative Court in Leipzig has ordered the Bundestag to make the UFO files available, but no date has been confirmed
Move has been welcomed by UFO researchers, but some fear they may not be as exciting as hoped

Germany's parliament has been ordered to release confidential documents about UFOs after a lengthy legal battle.

The existence of the files was disputed as recently as 2008, but a UFO enthusiast discovered evidence to the contrary and pushed for their release.

News of the impending publication has been welcomed by UFO researchers, but some fear they may not be as exciting as hoped.

The German Supreme Administrative Court in Leipzig ordered the Bundestag to make the UFO files available.

In 2008, Dr Wolfgang Schäuble, Germany's Minister of the Interior denied that the German government had ever investigated UFOs, but in 2009, a UFO enthusiast named Robert Fleischer discovered a parliamentary department had been investigating extraterrestrial objects.

A German blogger named Frank Reitemeyer took the Bundestag to court over the secret reports and the dispute has only just been resolved,The Express reported.

No date for the release of information has yet been confirmed.

[zorgon]

This looks like John Lear's filing cabinet in his garage (he has 22 of them)

UFO enthusiasts are already looking forward to March, when the UK's Ministry of Defence will make 18 confidential UFO files available in the National Archive, although there's a chance they may not be accessible by the public.

Some paranormal investigators have greeted the forthcoming German release with enthusiasm, but Nigel Watson, author of the UFO Investigation Manual, said: 'They won't reveal any secrets about hidden alien technology or alien bodies, but then again we can always hope!'
Mr Watson believes some governments hide UFO-related information to protect other secrets.
'Sometimes governments hide information like this to protect operational procedures or protect non-UFO related secrets, like the capabilities of early warning systems or the names and details of witnesses,' he said.

'In this case perhaps they don't want to show they have taken this subject seriously, or that they are as much in the dark as everyone else.'

It was only in 2005 that the British government admitted conducting a thorough scientific study into UFOs, after years of denial.

'It concluded that unidentified aerial phenomena, or UAPs, do exist, but not flying saucers,' Mr Watson said.

'When, or if the German files are released, it will be interesting to see if they come to similar conclusions.

He told MailOnline: 'I doubt it [the information] will be anything related to the recovery of crashed saucers or clandestine meetings with aliens.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3155085/Could-German-UFO-files-finally-reveal-aliens-visited-Earth-Court-forces-government-release-secret-documents.html

[zorgon]

I am NOT holding my breath  

So far all the other government releases have had all the good stuff heavily redacted or the file numbers are just plain missing

The NSA even said they "Lost" all the unredacted copies

Just more fluff to give us busy work IMO

[Eighthman]

What will change the Disclosure roadblock?  Not any photos. We have Photoshop, we can question the 'provenance'. How about heavily vetted witnesses, as in the military?  Drunk, gone crazy, lying, whatever skeptics can imagine. Diatoms in meteorites? Mistaken identity. Or they crawled in after landing.

Short of 'The Day The Earth Stood Still', I don't know what gets the job done. I do suspect that the critical element in this is the end of US hegemony. That, to me, is the dominant obstacle, as identified by some reputed whistleblowers. I note that the Tall White discussion here included the thought that India was 'ready to go' but held back by US influence.

[astr0144]

Secret UFO Files Released As German Government Lose The Right To Keep Research Private.

After a long and intense struggle, the German Government has been forced to make its UFO research public.

Until 2008, the existence of this report was denied by the German parliament --the Bundestag -- who have fought hard to keep the files private.




According to The Express however, two years later UFO enthusiast Robert Fleischer from Exopolitic.org discovered that the Government had in fact tasked its scientific department with the job of researching the existence of extraterrestrial life.

The battle for the X-files has been somewhat of a David and Goliath fight, with German blogger Frank Reitemeyer taking the Bundestag to court over the country's lack of transparency concerning its UFO research.

In 2011, he won his first fight after the Berlin Administrative Court ruled that German citizens had the right to view the classified report being put together by the country's Scientific Service.

At the time, Reitemeyer told the Berlin court:

"I want to know facts and it bothers me that in France, England, USA, Canada, the citizens can see the UFO files, and I am not informed as a German from my German government. It is therefore such a glaring discrepancy...In France, a citizen is automatically informed by his government because the government provides the UFO files to the website of the space agency, so officially on the government side, anyone can view the documents free at home"

While a date has not yet been set for the document's release, Openminds.tv -- a sight dedicated to extraterrestrial life -- said the ruling was not only a win for UFO research but also for "the freedom of information in general."

Others appeared to be doubtful of whether the documents would actually reveal anything new.

Nigel Watson, who wrote the UFO Investigation Manual, told the Daily Mail: 'They won't reveal any secrets about hidden alien technology or alien bodies, but then again we can always hope!'

Here in Britain, UFO enthusiasts are eagerly awaiting March 2016, when the UK Ministry of Defence will reportedly release 18 files to the National Archive, although it is not clear at present if the public will have access to this research.


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/07/10/ufo-files-released-as-german-court-rules-against-parliament_n_7768572.html?utm_hp_ref=uk-tech&ir=UK%20Tech&ref=yfp

[karl 12]

I am NOT holding my breath  

I'm not holding my breath either mate and you've got to love the corporate media's constant use of the term 'enthusiast' - kudos to the Lepzig Federal Administrative Court though for rejecting the German Government's very silly 'copyright infringement' excuse.

So far all the other government releases have had all the good stuff heavily redacted or the file numbers are just plain missing

The NSA even said they "Lost" all the unredacted copies  

Yep, even when organisations like America's Defence Intelligence Agency claim to have absolutely no  interest in the subject then get busted with authenticated, detailed UFO documents no-one seems to bother - lots of official UFO docs are also still being illegally withheld by the the Brazilian Government but doubt we'll ever see those either (least they weren't stolen like Peru's or went missing like Poland's). 

Just more fluff to give us busy work IMO

Think you're right there but below is a bit more background info on the Deutsche Bundestag docs - the link at the bottom has also got some nice pics of the files.

The Administrative Court of Berlin has decided that the German parliament, the "Deutsche Bundestag", has to give access to a so far secret official report compiled by the "Scientific Research Service of the German parliament" on demand of delegates on the question on the government's knowledge and studies about UFOs and extraterrestrial life. However, the parliament has already appealed against the decision.

"The right of access to official information under the German freedom of information act (Informationsfreiheitsgesetz, IFG) also applies to studies and reports of the 'Scientific Research Service of the Bundestag', the Berlin Administrative Court explained in its decision announcement today".

Until the court hearing the Bundestag denied access to the paper by referring to the claim that the work and results of the "Scientific Research Service of the Bundestag" are part of the work of the parliament and the mandatory work of the delegates and therefore should be excluded from demands referring to the freedom of information act:

www.grenzwissenschaft-aktuell.de

In it's press release the Administrative Court explained further, that the judges did not agree with this claim of the parliament and therefore did not followed the complaint upheld by the Bundestag and instead ordered that it must give the claimant insight into the secret report.

The court also denied the claim that such a process would represent a violation of the intellectual property of the 'Scientific Research Service of the Bundestag' or the Bundestag itself, as claimed by the Bundestag at court. While the court confirmed that the Bundestag and its scientific service is the owner of the copyright and the right of the first publication (Erstveröffentlichungsrecht) the ordered insight for the claimant would not breach the copyright as the claimant does not want to publish or market, but simply wanted to read it."

While the court ordered the described insight into the paper, in face of the fact that the decision has a fundamental importance for the question of how to deal with reports by the scientific service, it also allowed the Bundestag to apply for appeal at the Supreme Administrative Court of Berlin-Brandenburg, a step that under German law is only granted if the law is not explicit.

Observers speculate that the persistence with which the Bundestag denied and still tries to deny the insight into the UFO-paper, or even it's publication, is not so much about the treated subject (in this case UFOs and extraterrestrial life), but in general about questions of dealing with reports and papers by the "Scientific Research Service of the German Bundestag" in the future and in the face of the freedom of information act in general.

Beside stating, that because so many other NATO members, partners and neighbouring countries - such as France, the USA, Belgium, the United Kingdom and Italy (...to name only a few) - did investigate UFOs, it is "more than likely that also official German authorities and Departments dealt with this questions (about the existence of UFOs and extraterrestrial life)", the report does not reveal any secrets about UFOs and alien life, nor a secret knowledge about it by the German government.

Revealed: The UFO-Files of the German Secret Service BND

Cheers!