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Can you even spot pyramids with a Mars Orbiter Camera like on MOC E1900037?

Started by Lunica, June 28, 2012, 01:01:15 PM

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Lunica

Lets answer the topic question with a nice example I found on this site:
http://www.rickrichards.com/ac/ac_2.htm

On these site we see the following pictures

and

On December 30, 1975, this photograph was taken by the Landsat II satellite at an altitude of 500 miles over the jungles of southeastern Peru at 71 degrees, 30 minutes west longitude in the Madre de Dios region of the Amazon.

So this one is older then a MOC image and taken from a higher altitude since most MOC images are made from a altitude of like 450 kilometers.

And what presents this picture? This




There hase been an expedition to it, and after manchetting their way through this part of the Amazon they "concluded" they where not pyramids, euh,...  ::) I guess they mean, not Man made. You can read about it here:
http://www.granpaititi.com/index.php?id=123&lang=en
http://www.granpaititi.com/the-mysterious-amazonian-pyramids-1998-2002-paititi-122.html

However:
QuoteDuring an expedition realized in July, 2002, I locate, to the feet of the "pyramids", several cyclopean stony blocks, indubitably of Inca origin. It is a question it seems of "piedras cansadas or "tired stones", cut fashionably Inca and abandoned along the way for an indefinite reason. The size of these stones gave us to think that they were intended for the construction of big buildings, such as those of Cusco, Pisac or Machu Picchu.

Ok, whatever the scientist conclude at the moment, which is in these cases always a source of discussion (Look at the Bosnian pyramids  8) ) ,
I just want to point you on the result and the source. A very lousy image seems to point on pyramid structures.

HMMMmmmzzzzzz ?

This part on MOC E1900037 looks for me BETTER and WAY MORE CLEAR like some sort of Pyramide then the example above...
Well, euh, I mean, if the "Dots" on the example above  are in fact  some kind of pyramids...
This once just already looks like a Pyramide, and a nice one as well! HELLO?!









So yes, i think you can post anomalys with an Mars Orbiter Camera.

But maybe I am wrong after all of course!  ;D ;D ;D

greetings Lunica


ArMaP

Quote from: Lunica on June 28, 2012, 01:01:15 PM
This part on MOC E1900037 looks for me BETTER and WAY MORE CLEAR like some sort of Pyramide then the example above...
To me it looks less like a pyramid than the supposed pyramids on the other photos, as this one looks flat.
Looking at the information for photo E19-00037 shows that the Sun was just 15º above the horizon, making long shadows.

QuoteSo yes, i think you can post anomalys with an Mars Orbiter Camera.
Sure you can, anyone can post an "anomaly", and the worst photos are the better ones for the "anomalies".

rdunk

Sure you can, anyone can post an "anomaly", and the worst photos are the better ones for the "anomalies".

Armap, now just where did you come up with the idea that the "worst photos are the better ones for the anomalies"???

Oh, now I get it - the worse the anomaly photos, the easier it is for you to do your skeptical debunking thing!  ;D (just kidding, really!)

As an avid anomaly hunter, I do disagree on that. I have been subjected to too much "debunking", on the basis of photo quality, by a host of skeptics in numerous forums, that I have learned better.

I won't even make (normally) an anomaly post, if the anomaly photo is not of such quality that the anomaly can be easily seen - with easily seen being a "slightly subjective" statement! Usually, it is just not worth the hassle!

ArMaP

Quote from: rdunk on June 29, 2012, 12:03:16 AM
Armap, now just where did you come up with the idea that the "worst photos are the better ones for the anomalies"???
That's because of the people that ignore the originals and post images from Google Earth, for example. :)

Seriously, an anomaly is not related to the photo's resolution, we can have an anomaly in a satellite photo with 100 km per pixel and we can have an anomaly in a photo from the microscopic camera from the Mars rovers, as anomalies are not limited to a specific size.

Lunica

Quote from: ArMaP on June 28, 2012, 11:33:39 PM
To me it looks less like a pyramid than the supposed pyramids on the other photos, as this one looks flat.

I dont agree here Armap.

The supposed pyramid on the other photos are the photos made on earth you are compare it with? Thats not the comparison I make.
The example I made is I think very clear. I compare a satellite photo with a Mars orbiter photo.
The satelite shows a dot, compared to a "pyramid like" structure on the MOC.

Whatever the dot or the "pyramid like" structure definitely are, you will only know when been there of course. But since the Dot seems to be a "pyramid like" on the surface... a "pyramid like" on a MOC could be a.. "pyramid like" structure. 8)

Flat?  :o We need to go over there! (you pay btw  :P)

Quote
Looking at the information for photo E19-00037 shows that the Sun was just 15º above the horizon, making long shadows.

Agree.

You very good can see the shadow from the edges, left en partly on the right of the  "pyramid like" structure.  The angle of the slope is apparently way more then 15% over there. So I see a long shadow.
You  also can see, on the original MOC you see it better, the edge above the "pyramid like" structure is lower.
The sun clearly is lighting the place more, brighter. Looking into the crater the slope seems 15% or less steep then the slope to the left. Which makes the "pyramid like" structure brighter the part on the left or right.


Lunica

Quote from: rdunk on June 29, 2012, 12:03:16 AM
I won't even make (normally) an anomaly post, if the anomaly photo is not of such quality that the anomaly can be easily seen - with easily seen being a "slightly subjective" statement! Usually, it is just not worth the hassle!

haha

A sceptic will always see less.
A believer will always see more.
Truth? In the middle somewhere  8) I guess

ArMaP

Quote from: Lunica on June 29, 2012, 01:12:45 PM
The supposed pyramid on the other photos are the photos made on earth you are compare it with? Thats not the comparison I make.
The example I made is I think very clear. I compare a satellite photo with a Mars orbiter photo.
The satelite shows a dot, compared to a "pyramid like" structure on the MOC.
It shows more than a dot, and it shows that the area is not flat, while in the MOC photo it looks like a flat area on a slope.

QuoteWhatever the dot or the "pyramid like" structure definitely are, you will only know when been there of course. But since the Dot seems to be a "pyramid like" on the surface... a "pyramid like" on a MOC could be a.. "pyramid like" structure. 8)
Better resolution photos may be enough, and even being there may not be enough, as the supposed Bosnian pyramids show. :)

ArMaP

Quote from: Lunica on June 29, 2012, 01:14:59 PM
A sceptic will always see less.
A sceptic doesn't see less, he/she just wants more than just seeing. :)