We're On The Verge

[thorfourwinds]

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Yep, women are definitely aliens

Do you mean us men should be more 'left brain'?

[Eighthman]

(sigh)

1) The Lutec device has been debunked as a failure to understand real vs apparent power.  In AC, you can't just multiply measured volts and amps to get real watts.  I am unaware of anyone powering a home with the Lutec device.

2) I REALLY wish the Paul Brown battery/device was real but in order for it to be real SOMEBODY would need to demonstrate that an RF field can trigger beta decay.  Physics considers this to be tested and impossible.  I do wonder if an NMR response could stimulate radioactive decay but if so, there ought to be a physics paper on it somewhere.

Gimme a clue and I'll visit the Physics LIbrary at Cornell (Clark Hall)

I am unaware of any Newman "replication" that is self looped or powering a home.  Hence, unreal.

I don't like being the skeptic here.  Normally, I berate them. That said, I think the Rossi and Marks device were (are) real but they aren't (weren't).

[The Matrix Traveller]

Read this....
http://www.free-energy.ws/lutec.html


Found here also....
http://www.overunity.com/4956/lutec-john-christie-australia/30/#.UU4vQ3H2_IU

Quote..

Just to be crystal clear, Lutec is a long running free energy investor scam. John Christie and Lou Brits
started this scam in 1998 and are still scamming people
twelve years later!

The Evergreen company in Hong Kong is run by Lutec, and is a front for the scam to make it
look independent. When Lutec first tried their scam in 2001, they used a front company in Singapore
called BANK Inc which also claimed it was 100% independent from Lutec
("BANK Inc became aware of the inventors technology and through Australian agents contacted
the inventors" An investigator contacted the website designer and found that Lutec founder
John Christie was the one who hired the designer to create the BANK website, so they are clearly
out and out liars.

Here are two complete reports on their corporate history, bogus patents and attempts
to get investors.

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/lutec1.pdf
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/lutec2.pdf


Also see http://www.ripoffreport.com/Search/Company/Lutec-Australia.aspx

John Christie Electric Generator – Generates 24 Kilowatts Of Free ...
magneticfreeenergy.info/john-christie-electric-generator-generates-2...

Jan 4, 2012 – Typically the John Christie Electric Generator was shown to the world in 2001– a ...
Australian hardware engineer, John Christie, and also his electrician ... Unfortunately,
his legacy in this field did not live with after his death due to ... are a resurgence of interest
of this type, especially in the last year or two.

Relating to 1998...

Published on Mar 7, 2012 

This video was from a saved archive from 2009 . . . i suppose the original video
has been taken down, so not sure who to credit.

Note; It's now been at least 3 1/2 years from a saved archive from 2009...

Strictly speaking,, there is No such thing as a "World" or "Global Patent" as suggested in the interview !

http://www.uspto.gov/smallbusiness/patents/faq.html

Quote;

How do I protect my patent internationally?
Since the rights granted by a U.S. patent extend only throughout the territory of the United States
and have no effect in a foreign country, an inventor who wishes patent protection in other countries
must apply for a patent in each of the other countries or in regional patent offices.

Almost every country has its own patent law, and a person desiring a patent in a particular country
must make an application for patent in that country, in accordance with the requirements
of that country.

The laws of many countries differ in various respects from the patent law of the United States.
In most foreign countries, publication of the invention before the date of the application will bar
the right to a patent. In most foreign countries maintenance fees are required. Most foreign countries
require that the patented invention must be manufactured in that country after a certain period,
usually three years. If there is no manufacture within this period, the patent may be void
in some countries, although in most countries the patent may be subject to the grant of compulsory licenses
to any person who may apply for a license.

There is a treaty relating to patents which is adhered to by 168 countries, including the United States,
and is known as the Paris Convention for the Protection of Industrial Property. It provides that each country
guarantees to the citizens of the other countries the same rights in patent and trademark matters
that it gives to its own citizens. The treaty also provides for the right of priority in the case of patents,
trademarks and industrial designs (design patents). This right means that, on the basis of a regular
first application filed in one of the member countries, the applicant may, within a certain period of time,
apply for protection in all the other member countries. These later applications will then be regarded
as if they had been filed on the same day as the first application. Thus, these later applicants will have
priority over applications for the same invention that may have been filed during the same period of time
by other persons. Moreover, these later applications, being based on the first application, will not
be invalidated by any acts accomplished in the interval, such as, for example, publication or exploitation
of the invention, the sale of copies of the design, or use of the trademark. The period of time mentioned
above, within which the subsequent applications may be filed in the other countries, is 12 months
in the case of first applications for patent and six months in the case of industrial designs and trademarks.

Another treaty, known as the Patent Cooperation Treaty, was negotiated at a diplomatic conference
in Washington, D.C., in June of 1970.

The treaty came into force on January 24, 1978, and is presently (as of December 14, 2004) adhered to
by over 124 countries, including the United States. The treaty facilitates the filing of applications
for patent on the same invention in member countries by providing, among other things,
for centralized filing procedures and a standardized application format.

The timely filing of an international application affords applicants an international filing date
in each country which is designated in the international application and provides (1) a search
of the invention and (2) a later time period within which the national applications for patent
must be filed.

A number of patent attorneys specialize in obtaining patents in foreign countries.
Under U.S. law it is necessary, in the case of inventions made in the United States, to obtain
a license from the Director of the USPTO before applying for a patent in a foreign country.
Such a license is required if the foreign application is to be filed before an application is filed
in the United States or before the expiration of six months from the filing of an application
in the United States unless a filing receipt with a license grant issued earlier. The filing
of an application for patent constitutes the request for a license and the granting or denial
of such request is indicated in the filing receipt mailed to each applicant.

After six months from the U.S. filing, a license is not required unless the invention has been
ordered to be kept secret. If the invention has been ordered to be kept secret, the consent
to the filing abroad must be obtained from the Director of the USPTO during the period
the order of secrecy is in effect.

Also...

http://www.uspto.gov/smallbusiness/patents/filing.html

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Thank you, Matrix!
It is vital to first find out if a particular invention was unworkable, fake, or the real Mcoy-but-got-supressed.

That is exactly what we do here at PRC. Research.
this can take all forms, historical, factual, theorizing.
Finding the most logical & (apparently real) answer.

SOMEBODY would need to demonstrate that an RF field can trigger beta decay

Yes, 8man, and we're working on it

[Eighthman]

All this said......

to me, the greatest, not-recognized-by mainstream science invention is Ken Shoulders' Charge Clusters (independently confirmed by various Russians).  Provides a simple means of crashing into nuclei.
His patent clearly bespeaks an enormous volume of work.

There is a replicated device that might use the above - that seems oddly abandoned:  the VSG put together by J. Naudin and replicated by Bill Alek. 

My own theory is that we should look for free energy in transients. We might even find violations of thermodynamics in transients........  and why look there?

Because if there really was a stable source of free energy in nature that involved a constant flow, our universe wouldn't exist because everything would be glowing plasma. And I don't think transients have been investigated thoroughly as to conservation of energy.

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Hi Eighthman.

Never heard of Ken shoulders, i will have to check it out.
Charge,like gravity, is one of the least understood phenomina in science.
I wrote a thread on it, but i see it's in the private area.
I'll have to post it on the open forum, soon.

the VSG put together by J. Naudin and replicated by Bill Alek.

Again, you will have to refresh my memory.
Some links would be helpful

Because if there really was a stable source of free energy in nature that involved a constant flow, our universe wouldn't exist because everything would be glowing plasma

I can't see how you arrived at that conclusion.
According to classical physics, energy will always flow from a 'high' area to a 'low' one. Think temperature, electric charge etc etc.
To reach a plasma state requires a lot of energy.
Schroedinger's chaos theory (heat death of the universe) states that, eventually, all energy will eventuallly be evenly distributed across the universe, so everything would be just a few degrees above absolute zero.
Certainly not enough to sustain a plasma.

What really appears to be happening is that mass & energy are not only in constant flow, they are constantly changing places.

It is more or less certain that this is so. Particles are constantly 'appearing' & 'disappearing' all around us, trillions of times per second.
That's part of the whole Higgs experiment......
Now imagine what that means in terms of energy flow.

Mass & energy are not only interchangeable, they do so in a number of different 'dimensions', not all of which are visible (or even detectable) by us humans with our primitive instruments.

Energy from transients? Of course. Heat pumps, water wheels, windmills. They are all tapping into the 'transients' we see all around us in nature.
Tesla & many others seem to have been able to tap into electrical & magnetic transients. The radiant energy collector also.

The energy flow we don't see could well be several orders of magnitude higher than anything we have today, including nuclear fusion.