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Started by Elvis Hendrix, June 19, 2013, 07:55:36 PM

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Sgt.Rocknroll

Thanks.

I know of Mr. Swann but haven't read too much on him, been meaning to..

Vid's are fixed..I changed them to private so I could re-visit them to see if I could improve on the product..
Sorry...
Rock
Non nobis, Domine, non nobis, sed nomini Tuo da gloriam

Eighthman

The photos provided are very impressive (I suppose their provenance is solid).

That said,  I am puzzled by overlapping conspiracy theories.  The moon landings were faked but then other astronaut photos show weird stuff in the background.  So, they went to the moon or they didn't?  Or they went there by repurposed flying saucers and shot the stuff?

I'm not clear on the concept (being somewhat new)

ArMaP

Quote from: Eighthman on June 25, 2013, 12:56:36 AM
The photos provided are very impressive (I suppose their provenance is solid).

That said,  I am puzzled by overlapping conspiracy theories.  The moon landings were faked but then other astronaut photos show weird stuff in the background.  So, they went to the moon or they didn't?  Or they went there by repurposed flying saucers and shot the stuff?

I'm not clear on the concept (being somewhat new)
That's one of the problems, if we take all the theories together they cancel each other (or most of each other), but we see much of that, like people saying that we cannot trust NASA and then present their own theory based on data from NASA. :)

Eighthman

In my earlier days, as a strong Christian, I rejected all reconstructions about Jesus for this reason, namely that they would pick and chose what Gospel components they liked and reject the rest. By this means, Jesus was a Magician, a Zealot, an Essene, a moderate Pharisee, a Buddhist and so on. It looked like circular reasoning...

I have adopted a "Ali Aja" theory about reality. Here goes:  Once upon a time, a sort of Muslim guy tried to kill the Pope.  He gave several different stories that were mutually exclusive - and that destroyed all of his credibility.  This is typical of intelligence training.

The Wall Street Journal reported that, although it could never be proved in court, the only story that made real sense was that he was trained by the Bulgarians, helping the Kremlin, to kill the Pope and stop his interference in Poland.

Many times we have nothing more to guide us than intuition moderated by logic.  Some German Jews judged Hitler by his words and left. Others rationalized that they'd be OK. 

In the current situation,  sheer skepticism won't do.  We can never know enough or confirm enough.

ArMaP

Quote from: Eighthman on June 25, 2013, 01:32:54 AM
In the current situation,  sheer skepticism won't do.  We can never know enough or confirm enough.
I think that scepticism is not enough in any situation, but is also needed.

As I am not a imaginative (in the creative sense, I'm more a problem solving person) person I leave the imaginative part to other people while I try to supply the facts needed as a base for the imaginative process.

Eighthman

I appreciate your response.   I find myself more mystified than ever in my life about world events and what they mean.

The world is being stirred up as people everywhere seem to be losing all faith in almost all institutions.  Disruptive technology is emerging faster.  Global finance appears to be near collapse.  There is an explosion of exposure seemingly out of nowhere.  Bizarre theories are invented almost daily to explain current events but at the same time equally bizarre hard facts emerge that suggest that our times are weirder than we think.

What does this zeitgeist mean?  Does it lead somewhere, to an outcome we might desire - or does it decline into anarchy?  Is it being guided somehow?  Do the fantasy-prone "Ascension" types have some insight in this area? 

Is the world building up into some sort of unimagined transition?  Part of me keeps insisting it is..... but should I trust that feeling?

Elvis Hendrix

Quote from: ArMaP on June 25, 2013, 01:16:15 AM
That's one of the problems, if we take all the theories together they cancel each other (or most of each other), but we see much of that, like people saying that we cannot trust NASA and then present their own theory based on data from NASA. :)

But and its a big but, We have to keep poking.Because there are holes in the story. Something is amiss, and by cross referencing our theories and data, we will eventually find a given.
I sometimes think the only true pictures of the moon are from the early orbiters, zond etc.
Then il pick holes in the apollo surface stuff to find evidence of fakery.
The main contradiction for me that upsets the apple cart, is the lunar surface and cmd transmissions.
Things like "We came across Barbera", or from the cmd "the people who live down there must be very lonely". Im paraphrasing but you get the idea.
the whole thing is a contradiction but that makes it even more fascinating.
Its a riddle wrapped up in an Enema  ;D

elvis
"Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration – that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."
B H.