Observations of Exotic Propulsion Technologies: Halerewicz Paper

[Pimander]

Originally posted by The GUT on ATS
Re-posted here with kind permission.

Originally posted by The GUT
My personal opinion: Tunable, spoofed radar returns combined with stealth craft and/or holographic tech for obvious future strategic use. I jus' wanna see a real pic of one of our triangles.  

Originally posted by pimander
This is entirely possible.

I don't rule out other explanations but some of the sightings were by senior military staff.  If some of the sightings were not holograms, then I do suspect they may not have been "ours".  I say this because of the size and how slowly some of the "craft" moved.

In looking for an online copy (pdf) of the NIDS Investigations of the Flying Triangle Enigma, I came across the following PDF which is rather interesting reading so far and presents some fascinating counterpoints to the "they're ours" theory...and challenges some of the NIDS findings. (NIDS--very suspect but always a fascinating subject and it's former players are infamous in the darker side of Ufology.)

The author of the following work doesn't outright dismiss the possibility that they are military, but he does ask some good questions that he attempts to answer. He especially makes a good case against any kind of Blimp...if his math is correct. You'll have to help me on that math part, pimander!


Observations of apparent Exotic Propulsion technologies from Hectometer sized Deltoid Aerial Craft at low altitude
Edward Halerewicz, Jr.? Journal of Advanced Propulsion Methods
November 7, 2004


Somewhere betwixt myth and mystery lies the answer...and I bet it's gonna totally freak us out!

[Pimander]

Pimander's Reply

It is interesting that you touch on the NIDS thing.  With Aviary contacts I completely understand what you hint at.  If only it was just black and white.



The internal field driving mechanism is found by a reverse analysis of the easily identifable and often reported optical effects generated by acrobatic-like maneuvering of the hectometer deltoid craft, primarily atmospheric ionization. It is also found that the crafts propulsion system may be regarded as unconventional in that the `driving' mechanisms of the craft appear to be self contained rather than requiring violent interactions with the outer environment.
http://ufos.homestead.com/triangle.pdf


One of the most vivid memories from my own encounter with a non-conventional craft was the effect on the atmosphere that I now know to be related to EM fields and/or air ionisation.  There was though certainly effects on the external environment but as the author says, not of a violent nature.



The authors comments about the "coincidences" involving Ed Fouche's numbers are interesting.


We can sum up Mr. Fouche's claims as incorrect bad science, but interesting in that these numbers do not seem to be conjured up arbitrarily but seem to be tied to real physical constants, somehow.
*snip*
The data revealed by Mr. Fouche is easy to reject by textbook reasoning, yet on the other hand there is something unsettling about the numbers as if though they were pieces of a larger picture.
http://ufos.homestead.com/triangle.pdf


Fascinating paper, especially for researchers looking for clues about alternative propulsion.  Thanks for sharing with the members.

[exuberant1]

Hey folks, here is a Boyd Bushman quote which I find relevant.



This statement really only makes more sense if this tech existed before humans invented /acquired it.  It is like, we had these things that we learned to shoot down so we could learn about them.

*The quote is from the interview he did with David Sereda.

[Pimander]

[The GUT]

Most interesting to me in the linked paper--almost to the point of distraction--is this M2P2 concept, because it has me looking at my own up-close experience with a new lens.

Also of note is the mention of Puthoff. Bet it's one of the birdies and none other without even having to type anything into the search box! 

"It is however possible that the craft employ field some form of emf propulsion, such concepts have been explored in recent times by aerospace engineers, the Mini- Magnetospheric Plasma Propulsion (M2P2) proposal for example. It may not be unreasonable to presume that if field propulsion research was conducted with black project funds that usable versions of what are being proposed in present times may all ready be operation by the military.

The most likely conventional scenario within in reason is that some research may have been conducted in the past along the lines of the Polarized Vacuum spacetime engineering schemes as proposed by Puthoff and Ibison..."


Rubbing minds with you has got mine jump-started again. I'm furiously working on my first serious OP as a result. Just never could bring myself to give that much of myself elsewhere.

These boards seem like a good place. 

[Pimander]

Rubbing minds with you has got mine jump-started again. I'm furiously working on my first serious OP as a result. Just never could bring myself to give that much of myself elsewhere.

These boards seem like a good place. 

That is exactly why we are donating our time to do this project.  As soon as Zorgon explained why he wanted to do this I decided it was worth the effort.

You are probably aware of how much flak some of us - myself included - have taken elsewhere just for showing the ability to think outside the box and see through smoke.  Well now there is a home for penetrating thought, insight, research and dare I say it speculation.

It will be interesting to see your contribution.