Heaven Found? Scientists Find Evidence Of 'Life After Death' In Major New Study.

[astr0144]

I hope that my thoughts and comments may be a bit more on the right track Matrix !...they just came to me in my mind at one point ...

I hope to keep looking and get closer to understanding...

Hi Astr0,

I see you have got a little closer to understanding what I am revealing.   

Keep looking You will get there.

Two Fathers !...The 1st produces and presents the program...Now that in my previous way of thinking would start to think that's like saying GOD created and presented it to me ! 

So we are not talking about my Own Human Primate Father in any way here are we ?

and me being his son that experiences what he created !!!

BUT me being classed as the 2nd program as what you describe as a 2nd father which you also suggest as a SON !   seems sort of family related...but in theory , it is a created program and also its that which  experiences it..

When I read such things, I also still cannot work out is...why or do we need to pre-create..or have sex and children in this Earth Program ?

We believe this is how we continue life on Earth ?

but at the same time...from what you describe... our Human Primate / Earth Life or programs that appears as our Life's is pre written....and the Primate experiences it..

Indeed. Your Outer End of your mind edited and compiled it to experience.

Your Outer End was referred to your 'Father' in Ancient Writings.

The Word 'father' means Previous one. You have 2; the 1st and the Last.

The 1st produces & presents the program (Father)

The 2nd experiences the program (Son)

What we experience is the human body (Program) we have chosen and edited.

As Much as I THINK many of us would like to discover and understand why we experience the programs...at the same time I may ask why would we need to do so and is it essential and at a guess on average in this earth program not too many do get to find out or even understand that it exists...

But we must discover and understand WHY we experience these Programs.

This program is NOT to gain anything on the Earth or Universe.


What gains in the end of the program is 'Your Real Self' LIFE i.e. your 'Awareness'. (Component)

What I am not sure about is why would I want my outer end to apply any limits..!  Im not sure I want to be limited if I could help it....unless its just to create a story of struggle ! like we see so many movies about those who are disabled in some way and make something of themselves..It makes a good story... but would I really want to choose such restrictions that would be difficult to endure..

It is Your OWN 'Outer End', which applies these 'limits', as the program is NOT
for what many may think it is really about.   

If you think in Earthly gains then it makes no sense !

But if you think in terms of LIFE it does make Sense when understanding is accomplished.   

Interesting and thanks for confirming that maybe my thoughts about it may be so !

Nothing at all is Random ... 

The day the program (re. your body) ends, is determined BEFORE you enter the Earth experience.

I wonder why and what those boundaries are ?

The choices we each have are within strict boundaries, often quite narrow !

We are NOT here to achieve anything Earthly, but rather something entirely different.

I rarely seem to recall my dreams these days... to many worries in life seem to prevent me from relaxing to maybe try to recall them...

Otherwise Im not sure how or why I should know what or how dreams are or produced..!

HOW do you dream at night, and WHAT produces your Dreams and HOW ?

They are your 'Dreams' so YOU should know ?

I still see so much variation in peoples life's as I get older that create so many inferiority complexes..

Maybe did not notice them so much 10 to 20 yr ago..

That is natural for a human to think this way, as I once did too.

It's our 'inferiority Complex' which causes us to look or want for something greater, only because
we don't know our real selves at 1st.

Some find their 'Real Selves' (LIFE) some Don't ...

Do you mean just in this Human Primate / Earth Program.. or at or in any other future programs as well !

Do you think it matters and what if any advantages may it offer us...as we may not recall in our next program ? 

It does offer some form of good feeling however to think that maybe one understands what may be going on a bit more !   

Some find their 'Real Selves' (LIFE) some Don't

[The Matrix Traveller]

Astr0

Two Fathers !...The 1st produces and presents the program...Now that in my previous way of thinking would start to think that's like saying GOD created and presented it to me ! 

A little more re. the 'Father' thingy ....  to help you understand.

Just as we talk about Parent and Child entities in Programming on Earth today, the Terms Father
and Son are used when dealing with programming in our own 'Processing System' of the Mind.

The word Father is used because as I said it identifies the Earlier stage when you experienced\
at the Outer End of your Mind.

The Reason why I use the Term Father and NOT Mother in this case (is a bit like in French,
involving grammatical gender.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_gender

Grammatical gender:
In linguistics, grammatical gender is a specific form of noun-class system in which the division
of noun classes has a correspondence with natural gender.

This system is used in approximately one fourth of the world's languages.

In these languages, every noun inherently carries one value of the grammatical category called gender;
the values present in a given language (of which there are usually two or three) are called the genders
of that language.

According to one definition: "Genders are classes of nouns reflected in the behaviour of associated words."

Common gender divisions include masculine and feminine; masculine, feminine and neuter; or animate
and inanimate.

In a few languages, the gender assignation of nouns is solely determined by their meaning or attributes,
like biological sex, humanness, animacy.

However, in most languages, this semantic division is only partially valid, and many nouns may belong
to a gender category that contrasts with their meaning (e.g. the word "manliness" could be of feminine
gender). In this case, the gender assignation can also be influenced by the morphology or phonology
of the noun, or in some cases can be apparently arbitrary.

So too, this applies when discussing the workings of our own 'Processing System' of the Mind.

Father means: (Technical terms NOT religious    ) Previous to the Child

Father means "Contents'. (being Male)

Mother means 'Boundaries'. (being Female)

So your Outer Father is previous to the One experiencing the Program.

As I wrote the Human Primate (Body) is NOT the One experiencing anything,
as the 'human Primate' is only the Experience.

Ask any component of you body, whether it knows you or is 'Aware' of You ?   

The 'Son' comes after the 'Father', as it is Born from its parents in this case the boundaries
of your 'Processing System' some of the Ancients referred to, as the Soul.

The 'Son' is the Inner 'Content' being Male.

The 'Daughter' is the 'Boundaries' being Female, involving the 'Contents'.

Clear as Mud ? ? ?   


The whole system involves Inners and Outers.

We could also say the 'Inner' is Male and the 'Outer' Female.

Just like in the case of a Nut & Bolt

Where the 'Bolt' is Male and the 'Nut' is Female   LOL.

There is nothing at all which exists which does NOT involve an 'Inner' and an 'Outer'.


Astr0

So we are not talking about my Own Human Primate Father in any way here are we ?

NO !

Astr0

and me being his son that experiences what he created !!!

NO .... Sorry your earthly parents did NOT creat you !  Otherwise they would know everything
about your body, How many cells you are made up of, How many hairs on your body etc.   

They and you are like my body, it's just parts of a 'Story ... (Experience Your 'Awareness'
is Experiencing your Body)

Astr0

BUT me being classed as the 2nd program as what you describe

NOT a 2nd Program. ! (That is if by you using the word 'me' refers to a Droplet of LIFE
i.e. a 'Partition of LIFE'.

Astr0

as a 2nd father which you also suggest as a SON !

There are countless fathers and sons, as all involves Inners and Outers.

As I said both Father & Son are Male and therefore refer to the 'Contents' !


Astr0

seems sort of family related...but in theory , it is a created program and also its that which  experiences it..

Incorrect ..... 'Programs' do NOT experience ...  as Programs are NOT 'Aware'.
They are NOT called 'Awareness' !

It is only 'AWARENESS' that is AWARE of anything; This is WHY we call it 'AWARENESS'
and NOT the 'human Primate' or any other 'Species'.


Astr0

When I read such things, I also still cannot work out is...why or do we need to pre-create..
or have sex and children in this Earth Program ?

Its all part of the 'Story' you experience to lead you into ASKING the 'QUESTION' !

It is The 'QUESTION' that completes the 'Dialogue', between your Inner and Outer. ...   smile


Astr0

We believe this is how we continue life on Earth ?

There is NO LIFE on the Earth; Contrary to Scientific belief, as most don't recognise LIFE
nether understand the difference between LIFE and the 'Species' ! (ANY Species)
They are 2 Different 'Components'.

LIFE experiences from Outside the 'Experience', in what some of the Ancients referred to
as Quote; 'The PLACE of LIFE'


Astr0

.
but at the same time...from what you describe... our Human Primate / Earth Life or programs that appears
as our Life's is pre written....and the Primate experiences it..

Sorry a 'Typo' on my part (Getting OLD. NO I am Old  ) Please Omit Quote;

the Primate experiences it

I should have written the 'Absolute Centre' of the Mind experiences it.

Or The Inner Mind experiences both the 'human Primate' and experiences through the 'human Primate' !

Like any 'BOOK', you can't Read it (Experience it) unless the BOOK is 1st Written ... smile


Astr0

As Much as I THINK many of us would like to discover and understand why we experience the programs...at the same time I may ask why would we need to do so and is it essential and at a guess
on average in this earth program not too many do get to find out or even understand that it exists...

Could you drive a Car without knowing it exists or know how to enter it and drive it.

You can't be an astronaut without 1st training, If you are to be the pilot ....   


Astr0

What I am not sure about is why would I want my outer end to apply any limits..! 

You are your 'Outer'... It's just that you are in 'the Place of Ignorance', while you experience
WHAT you put together to experience.

I too am 'Knowledge' and 'Ignorance' ...   

My 'Outer' knows ALL but the 'Absolute Centre' is 'Ignorant' ... 


Astr0

Im not sure I want to be limited if I could help it....

Imagine if a small child was NOT Limited and was given a Nuclear Bomb to play with ?

See what happens when the child presses that big RED Button .... 

Astr0

unless its just to create a story of struggle !

It's the struggle that lures you to ASK the BIG 'QUESTION' .... 

NO 'Struggle NO 'ASK', NO 'DIALOGUE !

Astr0

like we see so many movies about those who are disabled in some way and make something
of themselves..

Because they were lead to 'ASK' through their suffering !


Astr0

It makes a good story... but would I really want to choose such restrictions that would be difficult to endure..

If you made that the case You would NOT Complete the 'Dialogue' between your Inner and Outer
and you would NOT receive the 'Processing System Upgrades'.


Astr0

I wonder why and what those boundaries are ?

This is for you to discover.... Then you will learn .... 

Astr0

I rarely seem to recall my dreams these days... to many worries in life seem to prevent me
from relaxing to maybe try to recall them...

Lack of 'Focus' through Lack of 'Interest' ...

Astr0

Otherwise Im not sure how or why I should know what or how dreams are or produced..!
I still see so much variation in peoples life's as I get older that create so many inferiority complexes..
Maybe did not notice them so much 10 to 20 yr ago..
Do you mean just in this Human Primate / Earth Program.. or at or in any other future programs as well !

Just in this 'Program'.

It has its Unique 'function' as I have explained.


Astr0

Do you think it matters and what if any advantages may it offer us...as we may not recall in our next program ?

All the things you seek in this world SHALL be forgotten, but anything you discover about your 'Real Self' is Eternal.


Astr0

It does offer some form of good feeling however to think that maybe one understands what may be going on a bit more !

At the very least Comfort !