Mandela Effect Challenge

[ArMaP]

People could be from a different timelines, or their memories have been "novacaned"

What does "novacaned" mean?

[micjer]

Novacane is a numbing agent used in dentistry.

I would say I was numb to this effect until Zorgon posted something about the Berenstain Bears.  This has been going on for years and I was not aware.  So it could be said that I was novacaned.  When I look at things now, they seem to have changed.

However, if you see no changes, this term would not apply to you.  You simply remember things the way they are now.  Which is correct also.  There is no disputing the way things are now.  It has to do with our memories.

[biggles]

Mic what I don't get is that some don't remember at all the original references and some are very aware.

You try to tell some, they stand their ground and say no.

Yet their here with us in this timeline; I'm confused and we know that's easy to do.

[ArMaP]

Thanks for the explanation, micjer, I understand it now.

You try to tell some, they stand their ground and say no.

That's what I find most interesting in this situation. I'm sure all of us have had moments when we have said something like "I could have swore that ...", but in this Mandela effect case people insist in their own version and some even deny the possibility of things being different from what they remember.

Interesting, both from the point of view of how memory works and from a more psychological point of view.

[biggles]

It is ArMap, some can get quite angry for mentioning it; so I don't bother anymore.

Us are quite different imho.

[micjer]

Mic what I don't get is that some don't remember at all the original references and some are very aware.

You try to tell some, they stand their ground and say no.

Yet their here with us in this timeline; I'm confused and we know that's easy to do.

Well I agree with you.  That is the confusing thing.  I wonder how many people even realize that there is such a thing even being talked about.  I go through the list of my friends and family, I don't know of any other than my wife and son, whom I quizzed and they answered different than the current timeline answers.

One thing I have noticed is, that it does involve people that are looking for answers. The truthers let's say.  I would like to know what percentage of the population have noticed anything.  That would include the folks that see no changes, just aware that this is even being discussed.

Are the scientists correct in their parallel / multi universe theory. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c74iehhouNg#t=210.712018



In the above documentary, they symbolize the multi-verse as bubbles co-existing in time.  With many timelines with us in all of them.  Slight differences in each.  Perhaps a couple timelines collided and we have merged our memories into one timeline.

[biggles]

You explained it better than I could.  There are so many people walking around oblivious.

[zorgon]

Mic what I don't get is that some don't remember at all the original references and some are very aware.
You try to tell some, they stand their ground and say no.
Yet their here with us in this timeline; I'm confused and we know that's easy to do.

It is really very simple actually

Given that there are TWO timelines...  those people that are from Timeline A will remember the way things were in their ORIGINAL timeline. No amount of brow beating and coercing is going to change that You can yell, you can argue, you can call them crazy but those of us from timeline A KNOW what we know and it is not a 'failed memory' issue as those in Timeline B would have you believe.

Now for those in Timeline B, there memory will fit the current situation, because they have NOT shifted from timeline A and this THIS is their home timeline so everything will seem normal to them...

The problem is that most people in timeline B will be so sure of themselves and decide that those claiming to be from timeline A are crazy or have memory issues... ANY excuse will do... because they can't accept that we are not from this timeline

There is no point arguing because BOTH are correct... The B group have their reality while the A group have theirs...

So what to do?

1) Seek out others from timeline A and collect the stories, specifically the ones with major event changes or physical events like Irene's teacup. The minor things like spelling changes, while real, are too easy fro skeptics to dismiss

And frankly, as I said in the opening post, I don't really give a damn if skeptics believe I shifted in that town in New Mexico   I am simply seeking others who have the same experiences

There is no point trying to convince a non believer of something you know happened to you. Since you only have your word and no physical proof, it is a useless battle, so why fight it?

My whole research since i started pegasus has been based on the search for portals. It was that search that led me to ATS where i found Beth's (Undo) Stargates are Real Thread, long before I met John

Robert Bigelow and his NIDS team, Hal Puthoff, The whole Aviary group, Jacque Vallee... just a few of the big names that KNOW and have actively researched the portals. Now even NASA admits they exist and in large numbers

In fact there is so much more information available today on portals than there was when I started.

The B timeliners are just going to have to accept we are from the A timeline   (yes there MAY be more than TWO, but lets not over complicate this LOL

Now the BIG QUESTION is... IF we accept that we did 'hop over'  WHY US?  Why is there a group that all moved together?

THAT to me is the important issue for us A groupers   And the other question is  can we find a way to move at will

we have two dates  2008  and 2012  When I get caught up with the file transfers I will get back to seeking events that happened on those dates...  The supposed Kill Shot is one  

[micjer]

Nice post Z.  Well put together.

Personally for me this whole thing has opened up a whole new area of research, that is mind blowing, expanding, and quite rewarding.

It has taken me on a path to better understanding of our higher selves, sub- conscious minds and to explore many of lifes' wonders.  A lot of this is from studying Dolores Cannon's work and reading her books.

So it makes me wonder if this phenomena was a marker, a wake up call for some of us. 

Like an alarm clock.  Wake up it is time for you to remember a few things.

.

[biggles]

Well there is one commonality amongst the whole scenario and that is most of the people we have known for years on forums like this one for instance are on the timeline A.

Well done I would say.  We moved together.  And I have watched that on yt's as well.

[ArMaP]

The B timeliners are just going to have to accept we are from the A timeline   (yes there MAY be more than TWO, but lets not over complicate this LOL

That's what I would like to see, instead of presenting people with two pre-chosen choices, what would happen if they just asked people "what do you remember about X?".

How many different versions of things would we get that way?

[space otter]

The B timeliners are just going to have to accept we are from the A timeline   (yes there MAY be more than TWO, but lets not over complicate this LOL

well Z

i think it's too late and it's already overcomplecated
I think there are probably a whole lot of subsets within more than the two groups we seem to have concocted here
a tangled web
I think many of us have taken little day-trips to other time lines and we only notice when we read something that doesn't fit or a conversation that makes you question  just who the heck is right about a certain thing..like the mandella stuff... which I think is mostly speeling and spelling has always been a tripping point for me..

anyway  back in the 70/80's there were lots of groups meeting about what they were then calling esp ... and one  conversation in several  of the ones I attended were about missing things...similar too but not the same as Irene's tea cup...
people would be missing an item.. books were one and after checking all the normal places and all the friends.. you could have loaned it too  .. you knew absolutely that it was not around anymore.. ( and not the same as  sarge's comic book
then when you have let the whole thing drop the dang book shows up on your nightstand and you KNOW it wasn't there yesterday...
at the time the questions weren't of a portal... the questions were who was trying to get our attention and why..
maybe this timeline thing is just  an advanced/different (?) method of getting our attention


back then the big thing was if you couldn't find an object was to just speak outloud and either ask for it to be brought back or who took it
several people I knew ask who and had some stories in the believe it or don't category..

I think a lot of us have developed stronger observational skills than others
and the current question for me is.. what do I do with this info?...
look for more info  on it's happening or find out  what I do with this now


or maybe ..just maybe we need to look closely at ourselves and realize how much power we do have and work on that..but hey what do i know...

[Irene]

Otter wrote -

. . . who was trying to get our attention and why?

You have intrigued the hell out of me with this statement. I've thought this many, MANY times, but I must be on auto-forget with this idea because I always forget it.

I think this is what may be going on, like that episode of "ST: TNG", "Cause and Effect", in which the crew is stuck in some sort of weird space and are endlessly looping the same segment of time. At the end of that segment the Enterprise is always destroyed.

Is someone trying to communicate with us? Is it a warning like that programmed into Data in that episode, which was the number "3"? Is there a common theme we should be assembling to "read" the message?

ETA, and this is important, Data was programmed to remember the number "3" because it was to remind him that Commander Riker's solution to prevent the Enterprise from being destroyed was the correct one. As a commander, Riker's insignia was three buttons on his collar.

Picard's decision always resulted in their deaths.

Regarding déjà vu, it is just the remembrance of something that happened in a previous loop.

ETA, again, Tesla was obsessed with the number "3" and its immediate multiples. Why? He said if we understood their significance we would understand the universe.

I don't doubt that he, and Leedskalnin, knew a few things the rest of us only dream of understanding.

[Amaterasu]

Thanks for the explanation, micjer, I understand it now.

That's what I find most interesting in this situation. I'm sure all of us have had moments when we have said something like "I could have swore that ...", but in this Mandela effect case people insist in their own version and some even deny the possibility of things being different from what they remember.

Interesting, both from the point of view of how memory works and from a more psychological point of view.

ArMaP...  I have said "I could have sworn that..." but when I said that, I was the ONLY One "misremembering."  And it was always in reference to something someOne said or did (did not say/did not do).  What is different now is that, unlike the times I "could have sworn that," I have reinforcing of memories, and...LOTS of People remember SPECIFICALLY what I remember.  There are, it would seem, nearly ALWAYS, exactly two camps on each of the points.  Not ten or twenty, as "bad memory" would produce.  We don't have Some saying it was "Berenstoin Bears," or "Interview with Some Vampires," or "Flintsteins," or whatever.  AND...  As pointed out above...  On some points, it would seem that roughly 88% (!!!) "misremember" specifically the same thing.  Eighty eight percent!!!  We cannot chalk that up to "bad memory," I don't think.

Not to mention that, for Me, prior to 2007, NOTHING changed.  Sure, I thought I heard People say things or thought They did things, but product names, title names, map locations, popular lines in movies, etc. DID NOT CHANGE.  Now...  Many, many, many things have changed.  If it was just Me, I would chalk it up to Me, but it's not.  I am one of the eighty eight percent.

[ArMaP]

There are, it would seem, nearly ALWAYS, exactly two camps on each of the points.  Not ten or twenty, as "bad memory" would produce.  We don't have Some saying it was "Berenstoin Bears," or "Interview with Some Vampires," or "Flintsteins," or whatever.  AND...  As pointed out above...  On some points, it would seem that roughly 88% (!!!) "misremember" specifically the same thing.  Eighty eight percent!!!  We cannot chalk that up to "bad memory," I don't think.

That's what I was saying, it's a result of being shown two options, you can either choose one or the other.