Alien Abduction Motivations

[petrus4]

I went to a new age resort and a friend of mine arranged me to have a private talk with a guy who suffered massive organ failure and had an NDE.  The guy seemed to like my description of NDE's as 'more real than real' (I've heard).

Colour saturation is a lot stronger, is the main thing.  I won't claim to have had an NDE as such, but I've been to a couple of Afterlife constructs.  The immediate after-death orientation experience, is itself somewhat different to the BSTs.  Belief System Territories; essentially virtual realities which correspond with the expectations of various belief systems, but which are constructed from etheric energy, rather than the electrical energy that our Internet is made of, which exists at a somewhat more physical level.

    Qoy qeylIs puqloD.
    Qoy puqbe'pu'.
    yoHbogh matlhbogh je SuvwI'

        Say'moHchu' may' 'Iw.

    maSuv manong 'ej maHoHchu'.
    nI'be' yInmaj 'ach wovqu'.
    batlh maHeghbej 'ej yo' qIjDaq vavpu'ma' DImuv.
    pa' reH maSuvtaHqu'.
    mamevQo'. maSuvtaH. ma'ov.

    Hear! Sons of Kahless.
    Hear! Daughters too.
    The blood of battle washes clean

        The Warrior brave and true.

    We fight, we love, and then we kill.
    Our lives burn short and bright,
    Then we die with honor and join our fathers in the Black       
    Fleet where we battle forever, battling on through the
    Eternal fight.

[zorgon]

[petrus4]

I don't remember anything quite that bad, although me lying down and them leaning over me, yes.  I can also remember being paralysed and being very, very angry with them for some reason.  My personality goes past fear and into rage at a certain point.



For my own sake at least, I was able to forgive them after I saw  Signs.  I needed to see one of them have violence done to it; because one of the main things they've always revelled in, is the idea that they can violate us without any consequences to them.

We need to avoid hating them more than anything else; they want us to feel that sort of emotion more than anything else, even if it is towards them.

[ArMaP]

Identical twins are a rarity, ArMaP, and I was speaking of the general population at large 

Then you should have been more specific.

Ponder this; if there are certain genetic traits or genomes that are more desirable for whatever their purpose is, whether it is to breed a hybrid race, or track changes they have made in our genetic plan, does it not make sense to track your subject and their descendants?

If they made changes to our DNA then it makes sense to track our evolution.

[Irene]

You guys are funny with the DNA theories.

All those f'ers are interested in is making a juicier hamburger.

[astr0144]

Trying to reread some of your posts Irene..

If you have had or are still having the disturbing experiences that you describe... I dont think that I have come across anyone who has made such claims before...

I am aware stories of Alien Abductions and many of the things that aductees claimed have happened to them...which I think were usually if they had been taken onto an ET Craft.. and usually placed on a sort of table and probed etc..

But Other than what I may have seen on some movies or the Programs like "X Files" that are Sci Fi.. I dont think that I have become aware of anyone claiming to be physically assauted by such entities...

So How often have they assaulted you and just how bad..

Have you become disabled by these assaults ? or do you always recover ?

Do you get black and blue / bruising or even broken bones ?
or such a injury that you have not since been able to recover from it...

Do you have photos of your injuries / bruising from it  as actual proof ?

If they are so bad its a wonder you are alive or not in a state that you can not function physically...not to mention the mental issues that I think would break most of us !

What have you done about the assaults if they are as bad as you suggest..

If the entities are invisible to you and you are just aware of their presence and physically are able to feel their attacks on you..

Reporting to the Police no doubt will not do anything for you..
or they got to see your injuries or briusing... they may then investigate to try to find if any of your associates have attacked you..who have not ! 

So no doubt you will  have you investigated ways that you can try to do something about it....

no doubt your research with the books and certain films..

Ive heard stories of Black magic, curses and people trying to find ways to stop being attacked by it ... that type of thing..

or people contacting paranormal investigators !
Have you tried anything like that ?

It may remind me being similar to the Exorcist film...

where a person is taken over by something evil..and they have to get a priest to help them get rid of the problem..

or maybe you have not been able to find any solution to it.

Have you come across others who have had similar situations as you ?

Maybe others on the forum ? that I have missed or who may have contacted you.. other than those who have been abducted by the known visible ETs...

I take what happens to me very seriously. I'm violently assaulted.

I cannot compare the entities I've been exposed to to any so-called greys, etc.

As I posted earlier, the real ET/EDs do not show themselves in their true form. Ever. They may not have a form that is corporeal. That is my belief.

I think there is a great deal of truth in the myths and literature of people like the Native Americans, etc. There is, I think, heavily obscured truth in religious texts like the Bible. I believe that is because, again, in my opinion, those who could read and write were/are being greedy with their knowledge.

I hate people like that. Always with the f'ing secrets. It's those secrets that are crippling our ability to escape this GD prison.

You guys are funny with the DNA theories.

All those f'ers are interested in is making a juicier hamburger.

[Irene]

Trying to reread some of your posts Irene..

If you have had or are still having the disturbing experiences that you describe... I dont think that I have come across anyone who has made such claims before...

I am aware stories of Alien Abductions and many of the things that aductees claimed have happened to them...which I think were usually if they had been taken onto an ET Craft.. and usually placed on a sort of table and probed etc..

But Other than what I may have seen on some movies or the Programs like "X Files" that are Sci Fi.. I dont think that I have become aware of anyone claiming to be physically assauted by such entities...

So How often have they assaulted you and just how bad..

Have you become disabled by these assaults ? or do you always recover ?

Do you get black and blue / bruising or even broken bones ?
or such a injury that you have not since been able to recover from it...

Do you have photos of your injuries / bruising from it  as actual proof ?

If they are so bad its a wonder you are alive or not in a state that you can not function physically...not to mention the mental issues that I think would break most of us !

What have you done about the assaults if they are as bad as you suggest..

If the entities are invisible to you and you are just aware of their presence and physically are able to feel their attacks on you..

Reporting to the Police no doubt will not do anything for you..
or they got to see your injuries or briusing... they may then investigate to try to find if any of your associates have attacked you..who have not ! 

So no doubt you will  have you investigated ways that you can try to do something about it....

no doubt your research with the books and certain films..

Ive heard stories of Black magic, curses and people trying to find ways to stop being attacked by it ... that type of thing..

or people contacting paranormal investigators !
Have you tried anything like that ?

It may remind me being similar to the Exorcist film...

where a person is taken over by something evil..and they have to get a priest to help them get rid of the problem..

or maybe you have not been able to find any solution to it.

Have you come across others who have had similar situations as you ?

Maybe others on the forum ? that I have missed or who may have contacted you.. other than those who have been abducted by the known visible ETs...

You've asked for some very private information that I will not share. I'm only aware of these attacks after they happen by being slammed down on my bed, as if dropped from a great height.

I take an inventory of my pains, get up, gobble Advil and make coffee. There is no going back to sleep.

Call the police? Get real. I'd be admitted to the nearest loony bin.

Evidence? It never shows with one exception, a blood tattoo - N6. It disappeared after two days and so did the picture I took of it.

injuries are internal for the most part.

Don't ask me for details of these attacks. I'm already dealing with a full load of health issues among other things.

Don't take it personally. I just don't know you or any of the thousands out there who may read this.

[astr0144]

In ref to some of your comments Petrus,

What is difficult for many who become aware of a person who make certain claims in ref to some sort of ET contact..when they become aware that, that person may had been influenced with drugs... is that they will often believe that the effects of the drugs have made that person have possible beliefs or mind alterations that they may make them believe that they have had such abductions with ETs..

So if you have had genuiene experiences ... people would be less likely to believe the description.

But I realise that is not often the case that the experincer who may tell their story... that they are not trying or are not bothered if anyone believes them or not !

but for those who are interested in wanting to know..if the experiencer is good enough to tell their story.. like some ET researchers... they may be less convinced or have doubts of what they had observed.

I haven't had the possession type experiences with them that Irene has as such; although I have at times had some extreme paranoia and horrible thought patterns while extremely stoned.  It can feel very oppressive and difficult to shake off, at times; and it is part of the reason why I'm probably not going to be smoking quite as much in the future.  I've also learned to try not to ever do anything I feel guilty for, and to never accuse anyone specific of anything where possible.  Guilt and accusation are the two main ways they get in; if you can avoid those, it will go a long way towards keeping you safe from them.

No doubt having had some disturbing experinces could also make one take to drugs...

so... you may had had the experiences you descibe and later turned to drugs..

or it could be that you had other experiences that led you to drugs.. that later made you believe that you had been abducted..


Becoming aware of the real fears of Life and things that you descibe are enough to turn us all into depression...

not knowing the real fears .. if possible is a better way to live...
where you one dont know cannot effect you for certain things..

although often we can end up at some stage later in Life not knowing something that catches us out.. and we really needed to be aware or know about certain things..

There is not any easy answers at times...

but age and experience and hopefully being able to deal with lifes bad issues.. hopefully can help us avoid situations or be able to deal with them better..

Im sure a majority get effected by certain things that stop us achieving our full potential and fears often prevent our best development..or to get the results we should believe we deserve !

I think the other reason why they don't bother me now, is because they know that at this point, my own fear of both my age and mainstream society is sufficiently great that that does their job for them.  Although in some respects I am demoralised now, that ultimately had nothing to do with the Greys; as a matter of fact, my abductions ultimately ended up being very fortifying.  I am a lot better than most people, at dealing with things that would cause the average person to become catatonic, because I've been dealing with high levels of generalised fear for as long as I've been alive.

My main sources of fear and depression now are the Millennials, transhumanism and the direction in which technology is going, and the inhumanity of Western governments and multinational corporations.

I am not going to accomplish what I came here for; which was to be part of establishing an intensely positive and benevolently oriented society, which also made use of a very high level of technological advancement.  My source of comfort there, however, is the knowledge that the reason for my failure is not so much because of what I have not done, but because I have also seen that the Millennials do not want that.

[astr0144]

I was purely asking if you would explain certain things from your explanation Irene...in order to try to understand further..

as some things I did or could not really understand.

When I refer to Police...

I was thinking that you may have been severely attacked and in such a way... that if someone reported to them that you had been found battered.. then it maybe that they would have investigated and obviously made some conclusions...

That from what you described would have been the wrong one..

and yes it could still have led to them making the wrong actions..

although unless they have proof Im not sure they could..

but if you have worked with the Police you know more than me..

I did not mean to get too personnel or private..

Just trying to understand  and trying to make some suggestions that may help !

You've asked for some very private information that I will not share. I'm only aware of these attacks after they happen by being slammed down on my bed, as if dropped from a great height.

I take an inventory of my pains, get up, gobble Advil and make coffee. There is no going back to sleep.

Call the police? Get real. I'd be admitted to the nearest loony bin.

Evidence? It never shows with one exception, a blood tattoo - N6. It disappeared after two days and so did the picture I took of it.

injuries are internal for the most part.

Don't ask me for details of these attacks. I'm already dealing with a full load of health issues among other things.

Don't take it personally. I just don't know you or any of the thousands out there who may read this.

[petrus4]

What is difficult for many who become aware of a person who make certain claims in ref to some sort of ET contact..when they become aware that, that person may had been influenced with drugs...

You are more than welcome to question my sanity, astro.  I truthfully often do myself.

What happened to me occurred repeatedly over a period of 20 years.  I don't smoke marijuana as a result of the abductions, though.  I smoke marijuana in order to deal with the fact that I live in a society that is primarily inhabited by people, who have mostly abandoned whatever semblance of positive ethics that our species had previously lived by, for at least the last 6,000 years.

I also smoke marijuana to deal with the fact that I am living in a place which is in direct violation of what I had previously thought was my destiny, and as a means of attempting to cope with the fact that said destiny will not be realised. 

I am a person with a lot of problems.  I have diagnoses of both autism and post traumatic stress disorder, and although I haven't been given either, I'm fairly certain that I could be diagnosed as both narcissistic and schizotypal as well.  So am I an unreliable narrator?  Yep.  In spades.  I survive as best I can, and sometimes in the eyes of people who are able to have a more comfortable existence, "as best I can," can look all kinds of fragged up.  The one good thing it's done for me, is that at this point I know that no matter what is going on around me, the most effective thing I can do is just take a deep breath, maybe smoke a few more cones, and wait for it to pass.

Looking at it now, for me the abductions have really just been one more thing among many.   The Greys are merely one more set of predators to dodge, but the truth is that there are plenty of other predators down here on Earth as well.  So if you want to interpret said abductions as me having dreams about the other people who were chasing me at the time, that works fine, if it makes you feel better.

I'm a civilian.  I'm not a cop or a soldier.  I don't generally have to deal with violence these days; I stay as far away from that crap as I can, at this point.  Sometimes, though, staying away from violence means staying in my room.  Sometimes it means not going into town to buy food until the early evening in order to make sure that there are a minimal number of other people up there.  Kali is good to me, and what other people would interpret as schizophrenia, I interpret as her warnings.  I've often had people tell me about fights at the smoking tables just outside where I am typing these words, or in town, but I won't have been around because I was in my room at the time.

The first game they taught us to play at primary school was poison ball; and one way or another, it's really the only game I've ever played since.  So again; the Greys work just as well for me as metaphor, as they do as fact.  I initially doubted the reality of what I experienced myself; but what changed was when I read about Mindscan and the paralysis, and realised that I had experienced that more than once.



I am not an atheist, but the Goddess I pray to wears that woman's face.  Sarah Connor and I have a disturbing amount in common at times, as does, I suspect, Irene.  If you want to play Doctor Silverman in response, I bear you no ill will for doing so.  It's a lot less frightening than the alternative; and at times, I've truthfully envied those who have the luxury of skepticism.

So if you have had genuiene experiences ... people would be less likely to believe the description.

I've had enough experience with LSD and weed at this point, that I know the difference between the two.

But I realise that is not often the case that the experincer who may tell their story... that they are not trying or are not bothered if anyone believes them or not !

Let me put it this way.  What I have dealt with in the past, and will in other respects deal with in the future, will remain the same regardless of whether or not I am believed by anyone.  I am not someone who will gain anything from being believed, which means that I have no incentive to tell a good story.  In order to become a celebrity, I would first need exposure to other people, and other than a small amount of posting on Reddit, this site now represents the only regular online contact that I have with anyone.  I communicate with family, but less frequently than I come here.  I believe that I am literally living during the Biblical End of Days, and very little of what I see convinces me otherwise.

I have people offline, but I haven't told them about this; and said group also changes reasonably frequently, because the woman who owns the hostel where I live, is severely demoralised and unstable as well, and she can evict long term residents suddenly and without warning.  I have a good relationship with her, but I also try and stay out of her way, because my life would become more complicated than I would like if I had to leave here.  This place is not a psychiatric inpatient unit, but it's about as close to one as I feel safe getting, because I know the people in them can be extremely sadistic as well.

Becoming aware of the real fears of Life and things that you descibe are enough to turn us all into depression...

I have been through suicidal depression, and at this point have come out the other side.  Life is still worth living, because I can find beauty, meaning, and pleasure in several of the things I am able to do; but very few of said things have anything to do with the perpetual ocean of apocalyptic diarrhea that we call mainstream American-based society.

not knowing the real fears .. if possible is a better way to live...
where you one dont know cannot effect you for certain things..

[A51Watcher]

If you have had or are still having the disturbing experiences that you describe... I dont think that I have come across anyone who has made such claims before...

I am aware stories of Alien Abductions and many of the things that aductees claimed have happened to them...which I think were usually if they had been taken onto an ET Craft.. and usually placed on a sort of table and probed etc..

But Other than what I may have seen on some movies or the Programs like "X Files" that are Sci Fi.. I dont think that I have become aware of anyone claiming to be physically assauted by such entities...

Actually Astro, UFO literature is replete with horrific encounters.

You can start with -

Confrontations by Jacques Vallée

and

UFO's Are Evil by Brad Steiger

[astr0144]

Thank you for for offering your reply Petrus,

I will not claim to fully understand all, but it does help on somethings.

You are more than welcome to question my sanity, astro.  I truthfully often do myself.

I did not intend to make you think , that I meant it quite like that !


It can no doubt be complex and touch on sensitive  or private areas.

For people who are unfortunate to have had some bad or disturbning experiences (or depending upon ones view) I can understand people taking drugs or things that help them cope with various situations in Life.. and to not have to face realities...Often I would not blame them..

its only the possible consequencies in other situations that a person maybe / or is often aware of that prevents more people from also considering taking drugs...to block out pains or probems etc in their lifes.... and no doubt in other cases.. the drugs also offer some good feelings...that many of would also enjoy..   For some of us we may well be missing out or Governements make out its not in our best interest to take them,and suggest they are bad for us,  when it actually may not be the case... as some banned drugs I am sure can benefit us...

The only main issues are is if taking them led to bad consequencies.. where we are just not aware of our actions..
such as driving driving under influence could be a real danger to ourseleves and others..

Some people go thru hell or things many of us could not deal with or easily face...so unless you have been in that persons shoes as they say , its not something to easily make any judgement..

For many people the older they get, hopefully the more that the become aware or understand things..

sometimes I have real problems judging what what maybe seen as the most simple things let alone the complex..
and we can all think or  be different in our views or thoughts from day to day..

I have somethings that I tink about everyday... that happened many years (over 20) ago...

and have had spells where i would not want to face situations or certain people...where as at one time... I was never like that....ands thats what is frustrating at times... that such fears can alter so many things in ones decesions in life..

sometimes I wonder is it just in ones mind or is it just things that we have experienced that make us avoid certain things and is it, likely to occur again or was it just a one off at the time where things badly effected us..

Ive seen Psychologist discuss things and show ways how one can alter their thought patterns... that can make them look at things differently..

one may wonder with enough of that type of guidence can we overcome our fears..much better..

or maybe somethings are just set in stone .. and we are best not trying to alter...and we should always avoid..
( I dont just mean avoiding things that physically may harm us)

Some other things can paralyse us almost into submission...
where its seems as if we just cannot react or oppose certain things..

I think in my initial questioning in relation to your suggestion of you relating to being abducted with Greys that you referred to ... is a case maybe of me being aware of some peoples claims that I have come across on ET related TV programs or on the internet etc...and what many of them what they claimed to had gone thru...and experienced...

but not actually knowing of some person directly.. who had made such claims...

and then being made aware of your claim as a forum member on PRC....

that I wanted to try to ask you about it and then try to compare what you said against what I thought that I had seen or learned from the other sources...or the other peoples claims who came out to tell the pubic about what they went thru in their abductions.

So I suppose thats why I questioned somethings about what you replied and I maybe tried to relate to some points that may seem to agree or question somethings that you had said if the comments did not seem to make sence or if I thought certain things may have effected your judgement.

When I become aware of certain things to do with the Paranormal... and then think of what I dont know about it..

it may become to indepth to try to conclude..

But I could only try to ask along the lines that I presently thought that I understood.

When we talk of Sanity, I am sure we all have some part of that ... that can be questioned..and even then it can often be down to opinions...

There is probably a lot more I could say or ask, but at the moment Im not sure, Im in the best mood to refer to It...

It would take some time to think about it..

There are some other points that I may try to later comment on..

   

Petrus4

You are more than welcome to question my sanity, astro.  I truthfully often do myself.

What happened to me occurred repeatedly over a period of 20 years.  I don't smoke marijuana as a result of the abductions, though.  I smoke marijuana in order to deal with the fact that I live in a society that is primarily inhabited by people, who have mostly abandoned whatever semblance of positive ethics that our species had previously lived by, for at least the last 6,000 years.

I also smoke marijuana to deal with the fact that I am living in a place which is in direct violation of what I had previously thought was my destiny, and as a means of attempting to cope with the fact that said destiny will not be realised.

I am a person with a lot of problems.  I have diagnoses of both autism and post traumatic stress disorder, and although I haven't been given either, I'm fairly certain that I could be diagnosed as both narcissistic and schizotypal as well.  So am I an unreliable narrator?  Yep.  In spades.  I survive as best I can, and sometimes in the eyes of people who are able to have a more comfortable existence, "as best I can," can look all kinds of fragged up.  The one good thing it's done for me, is that at this point I know that no matter what is going on around me, the most effective thing I can do is just take a deep breath, maybe smoke a few more cones, and wait for it to pass.

Looking at it now, for me the abductions have really just been one more thing among many.   The Greys are merely one more set of predators to dodge, but the truth is that there are plenty of other predators down here on Earth as well.  So if you want to interpret said abductions as me having dreams about the other people who were chasing me at the time, that works fine, if it makes you feel better.

I'm a civilian.  I'm not a cop or a soldier.  I don't generally have to deal with violence these days; I stay as far away from that crap as I can, at this point.  Sometimes, though, staying away from violence means staying in my room.  Sometimes it means not going into town to buy food until the early evening in order to make sure that there are a minimal number of other people up there.  Kali is good to me, and what other people would interpret as schizophrenia, I interpret as her warnings.  I've often had people tell me about fights at the smoking tables just outside where I am typing these words, or in town, but I won't have been around because I was in my room at the time.

The first game they taught us to play at primary school was poison ball; and one way or another, it's really the only game I've ever played since.  So again; the Greys work just as well for me as metaphor, as they do as fact.  I initially doubted the reality of what I experienced myself; but what changed was when I read about Mindscan and the paralysis, and realised that I had experienced that more than once.

[astr0144]

I will try to add this to my research list A51..

I am aware of some varied related stories...

but some may be hard to understand or  believe maybe..in how say ETs may have encountered people..when its not the usual type of known abductions that we usually see on the TV alien type of abducations that seem to take place on their Craft...

Thank you...

Actually Astro, UFO literature is replete with horrific encounters.

You can start with -

Confrontations by Jacques Vallée

and

UFO's Are Evil by Brad Steiger

[Irene]

A quick reply, as I'm in the middle of dinner -

These entities are very vulgar creatures and equally sadistic.

[A51Watcher]

Actually Astro, UFO literature is replete with horrific encounters.

You can start with -

Confrontations by Jacques Vallée

and

UFO's Are Evil by Brad Steiger

Oops! The Steiger book is titled - UFO's Are Hostile

Sorry I was tired when I posted that.