Mandalay: The biggest shooting since Columbine.

[space otter]

from the news as always it's believe it or don't



The gunman who unleashed hundreds of rounds of gunfire on a crowd of concertgoers in Las Vegas had two "bump-stocks" that could have converted semi-automatic firearms into fully automatic ones, officials said.

The devices have attracted scrutiny in recent years from authorities.

<>

"This replacement shoulder stock turns a semi-automatic rifle into a weapon that can fire at a rate of 400 to 800 rounds per minute," she said.

A semi-automatic weapon requires one trigger pull for each round fired. With a fully automatic firearm, one trigger pull can unleash continuous rounds until the magazine is empty.

<>

Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock had 23 guns in his hotel room.

Two officials familiar with the investigation told the AP that Paddock had two bump stocks. They are investigating whether those stocks were used to modify weapons used in the massacre, according to the officials, who were briefed by law enforcement and spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is still unfolding

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/las-vegas-gunman-used-bump-stock-device-to-speed-fire/ar-AAsQ32O?li=BBnb7Kz



.................................





But what may have seemed like a difficult feat, firing across an urban area and into a crowd from about 500 yards away — the equivalent of several football fields — appears to have been offset by Paddock's preparations, which made it possible for him to inflict mass carnage.

Law enforcement officials cautioned that their information remained preliminary amid a rapidly unfolding investigation, and it was at times contradictory. But officials said Paddock established firing positions by smashing a pair of windows in his hotel room. He was armed with at least 23 firearms, authorities said, including rifles designed to be fired at such distances. He was also perched from a vantage point that increased the likelihood that even errant shots were more likely to strike someone than had he fired them from ground level.

<>

These preparations, along with the downward angle of Paddock's gunfire and the density of concertgoers, would make the shooting more lethal than it might otherwise have been, and more difficult to counter or escape.

<>

Audio recordings of the shooting suggest that at least one of Paddock's weapons fired automatically, discharging multiple bullets with a single depression of a trigger, in what are commonly called bursts.

<>

n some videos of the shooting, the rate of fire sounds inconsistent, at times sputtering.

This suggests the possibility that a weapon could have been modified to fire more quickly, a change to semi-automatic firearms known as bump or slide fire. Such modifications harness the recoil to allow for rapid fire.

The Boston GlobeBy C.J. Chivers, Thomas Gibbons-Neff and Adam Goldman
9 hrs agohttp://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/las-vegas-shooter-stephen-paddock-thoroughly-prepared-for-massacre/ar-AAsPWSh?li=BBnb7Kz



..................................................................



Authorities described a level of preparation that suggested the attack was planned in advance. Police said Paddock arrived on Thursday, three days before the shooting, at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino on the southern end of the Las Vegas Strip. He took more than 10 suitcases into his suite, officials said.

Paddock aroused no suspicion from hotel staff even as he brought in 23 guns, some of them with scopes. One of the weapons he apparently used in the attack was an AK-47 type rifle, with a stand used to steady it for firing, people familiar with the case said.

<>

Investigators also found at least 19 additional firearms, thousands of rounds of ammunition and the chemical tannerite, an explosive, at Paddock's home in Mesquite, Nev. They also found ammonium nitrate, a chemical that can be used in bombmaking, in Paddock's vehicle, Lombardo said.

The Washington PostTim Craig, Mark Berman, Matt Zapotosky
1 hr agohttp://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breaking-news/as-las-vegas-grieves-investigators-struggle-to-uncover-motive-behind-shooting-rampage/ar-AAsQwtT

[petrus4]

pets r us

i'm not ruling out false flag just tossing this in

I'm not saying it definitely is a false flag, either.  All I am really saying is that there seem to be some parallels between this incident and earlier ones.

I also may not be an American, but I am a passionate advocate of the right to bear arms; and that is because I've experienced home invasion and a couple of other scenarios where my life was threatened.  I also believe, on an instinctive basis, that all forms of either political or economic authority should be assumed to be both predatory and psychopathic, until explicitly proven otherwise.

It's easy to support gun control when you have never needed to defend yourself.

I am a civilian, a coward, and a hypocrite.  I acknowledge it and do not try to hide it.  I know, however, what the right thing is, even if I do not always have sufficient backbone to do it myself.

[fansongecho]

Full Police Audio that night -

[petrus4]

More testimony about multiple shooters.

[ArMaP]

An Australian man at the scene claims to have witnessed multiple shooters.

No, he said that there were multiple shooters, he didn't say he witnessed multiple shooters. Also, his report is a little strange, as he says that he "got outside safely" and then hid in some bushes, so he was safe inside the hotel and then went outside, where the shooting was happening?

In the interests of rational objectivity, I will say this:  If Steven Paddock is proven to have been the only shooter, then I will be more inclined to take the authorities at their word; but if accounts of multiple shooters continue to appear, and the police either deny those or refuse to comment on them, then I will remain suspicious about the possibility of a false flag.

You are not being unbiased, as you are comparing "proof" that Steven Paddock was the only shooter with "accounts" of multiple shooters, and those are not the same thing.

Also, what kind of proof can someone show that there was only one shooter? One person in the room? Not proof. Shots only at one place at a time? No proof, they could be more than one and not shooting at the same time.

[petrus4]

Also, what kind of proof can someone show that there was only one shooter? One person in the room? Not proof. Shots only at one place at a time? No proof, they could be more than one and not shooting at the same time.

I gave you gold for this.

[ArMaP]

More testimony about multiple shooters.

In at least two instances, people that were reported as being armed near the area were not related to the shooting, one of them had only a BB gun.

I haven't seen any clear evidence that there were more shooters.

[fansongecho]

Is there clear evidence that there was just the one shooter ?


/// @Petrus, can you ping me a link to the Alexis A image if you have one please ??

thanks,

Fans'

[petrus4]

/// @Petrus, can you ping me a link to the Alexis A image if you have one please ??

I'm searching Facebook.  There are at least half a dozen accounts with that username, and although two are similar, neither of them have the profile photo which that image did.  Knowing Facebook however, I wouldn't be surprised if they deleted the account in response to what she posted there.  I will try a Google image search as well.

[ArMaP]

I'm searching Facebook.  There are at least half a dozen accounts with that username, and although two are similar, neither of them have the profile photo which that image did.

This one?
Alexis Alcocer

[fansongecho]

Where are all the thousands of shell casings if this is the room that the guy was firing from ? 

[ArMaP]

Where are all the thousands of shell casings if this is the room that the guy was firing from ? 

Do we have photos of the whole area of the room(s)? Do we have photos of the broken windows from where the shots were fired?

I agree that we see few casings in the photos, but I don't think we have enough photos to say that there were few casings in the room(s).

[Irene]

I'm appalled by how long it took to neutralize this man.

There was an officer on the floor prepared to act and he was ordered to wait for SWAT.

I'd have disobeyed that order.

I won't ascribe motives for ordering that man to wait. That would be unproductive.

Please, no lectures on Tombstone Courage.

[fansongecho]

ArMAP, That room would have had shell casings everywhere..  shell casings that are ejected from a rifle of any kind have a very high exit velocity - I am sure there are US folks on here who can testify to that if they have been on a shooting range -
IF he was firing for over a extended period of time, it would be littered with them.. also where is the debris from the breech of the doors?

[micjer]

He wasn't firing the guns in the room, it was out the window(s).  (There is a picture of Mandalay Bay hotel showing two windows smashed out.)  He was 35 floors up think of the angle the guns would have to be aimed at.

I would say many shell casings would be found at the base of the hotel as they would be outside the room.