proof the pyramids were not built by KHUFU

[ArMaP]

as for the planet itself, countless times the cycle has begun and ended, only to renew and begin again until the next extinction and beginning, yet lamestream archeology still sadly refuses to consider that the pyramids are far older than egyptian society, that the fore runner civilizations told about in the Vedas had a nuclear war, and that there is truth buried in every myth and legend...

If you can provide real evidence that the pyramids are far older than Egyptian society I would like to see it.

[The Seeker]

If you can provide real evidence that the pyramids are far older than Egyptian society I would like to see it.

The kings stele between the forepaws of the sphinx says they were found and uncovered, not built; but that destroys the mythos and drama over how the egyptians actually built them; plus, all the erosion on the sphinx and the pyramids was caused by water, not wind blown sand; but that is just my opinion, ArMaP

Zawai Hawass made a total mess out of Egyptology

[fansongecho]

Check this out..   

Personally I respect Graham Hancock - so I may well be coloured on the subject - but why wouldn't they guy debate and discuss the subject matter with Graham, its not as if Graham is a forceful and domineering personality 

To be honest his reaction is nothing short of hilarious ..   

Ohh hoo.. more ..

[ArMaP]

The kings stele between the forepaws of the sphinx says they were found and uncovered, not built;

Where can I find a transcript of that?

[space otter]

once again Zawai Hawass proves the Peter Principle

idiot.!!!!

[zorgon]

If you can provide real evidence that the pyramids are far older than Egyptian society I would like to see it.

The only real evidence that survives that I am aware of if the INVENTORY STELLA of KHUFU... which states that he found the Pyramid already an ancient structure in need of repair and that he repaired it. Archaeologist use everything else in that stella as gospel, except choose to ignore that part...

The carbon dating on the straw mud used to repair it would thus date the time of REPAIR  not the time of building

... the FACT that there are ZERO pictographs showing the Egyptians building pyramid when they record every other daily activity.  Since building a pyramid would have to have been a major daily activity  yet NOT ONE picture of quarrying or building or the camps that would have been required.

The ONLY thing we see on the walls is them moving a single statute with ropes slaves and a sled  and based on that Archaeologists simply assumed that is how they did everything else

... the FACT that there are no early built versions where they developed the technique needed to get to a large one.  We didn't learn to build skyscrapers before we built mud huts

... the FACT that we see water marks and water erosion on the Sphinx that date it to the last time their was water that high. We would not see such marks on the pyramids because the CASING STONES have been removed in modern times and all such markings would be on those stones

...  the FACT that the puzzle block stones are the same as the ones in other parts of the world, particularly those UNDER the foundations of the Incas... which were until recently thought to have been built by the Incas but since shown to be much earlier and the Inca merely built on top of them

...  the FACT that the Rosicrucians, who date their existence to Akhenaten and Nefertiti say so, but you won't see those documents  That is why they are STILL a secret society...

Problem is your Uber Skeptic mind will overlook the obvious

[ArMaP]

The only real evidence that survives that I am aware of if the INVENTORY STELLA of KHUFU... which states that he found the Pyramid already an ancient structure in need of repair and that he repaired it. Archaeologist use everything else in that stella as gospel, except choose to ignore that part...

Where can I find a transcript of that?

... the FACT that there are ZERO pictographs showing the Egyptians building pyramid when they record every other daily activity.  Since building a pyramid would have to have been a major daily activity  yet NOT ONE picture of quarrying or building or the camps that would have been required.

That fact doesn't prove that the pyramids are far older than Egyptian society, only that there are no records of how they were built.

... the FACT that there are no early built versions where they developed the technique needed to get to a large one.  We didn't learn to build skyscrapers before we built mud huts

Explain that fact, please. Isn't it based on the assumption that the larger pyramids are older?

... the FACT that we see water marks and water erosion on the Sphinx that date it to the last time their was water that high. We would not see such marks on the pyramids because the CASING STONES have been removed in modern times and all such markings would be on those stones

How do water erosion marks on the Sphinx prove that the pyramids are far older than Egyptian society?

...  the FACT that the puzzle block stones are the same as the ones in other parts of the world, particularly those UNDER the foundations of the Incas... which were until recently thought to have been built by the Incas but since shown to be much earlier and the Inca merely built on top of them

I don't know what you mean by "puzzle block stones". Could you explain that?

...  the FACT that the Rosicrucians, who date their existence to Akhenaten and Nefertiti say so, but you won't see those documents  That is why they are STILL a secret society...

Why should I believe an invisible document from the Rosicrucians?

Problem is your Uber Skeptic mind will overlook the obvious

Give real, confirmable facts, please, not assumptions, and I will consider them.

[zorgon]

Where can I find a transcript of that?

Good question... I had it years ago but don't know where it is..

Maybe if we put out some OTTER BAIT it will turn up It's something I need to finish up anyway... it is likely THE most important proof



Inventory Stela And Its Message: Controversy About This Artifact Still Remains
http://www.ancientpages.com/2017/07/15/inventory-stela-and-its-message-controversy-about-this-artifact-still-remains/

[The Seeker]

Good question... I had it years ago but don't know where it is..

At one time it seems you had that posted at spookz in one of the pyramid threads; and I am sure I had a copy of that material, but I can't find it in any of my files, also drawing a blank on searches for it...

it has went poof!!!

[space otter]

ya know  otter bait is going to hafta be chocolate from now on or something yummie


here ya go   only took a minute or so  would have been faster but i stopped to watch the vid and read some







http://www.jasoncolavito.com/inventory-stela.html
c. 670 BCE
translated by James Henry Breasted
1906


http://members.ozemail.com.au/~googong/giza6.html


https://everything2.com/title/Inventory+Stela
Discovered by Auguste Mariette in the 1850's, the Inventory Stela has been rejected by traditional Egyptologists as a forgery (an incredibly made one at that). That is because they refuse to believe it can be telling the truth, as it flies in the face of everything they believe. The Stela (kind of an obelisk with writing on its sides) was found in a 21 Dynasty temple of Isis built into the pyramid temple of Henutsen, daughter of Khufu.

http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,37704,37711

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/169892-sitchins-folly-the-inventory-stela/

https://zsitchinindex.wordpress.com/the-earth-chronicles-index/book-2-the-stairway-to-heaven/chapter-13-forging-the-pharaohs-name/
Chapter 13: Forging the Pharaoh's Name

http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,37704,37704

http://giza.fas.harvard.edu/objects/54850/full/

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/egipto/fingerprintgods/fingerprintgods10.htm

http://historum.com/ancient-history/35621-great-pyramid-not-built-khufu.html

[zorgon]

That fact doesn't prove that the pyramids are far older than Egyptian society, only that there are no records of how they were built.

The reason there are no records in Egyptian society is because the Egyptians didn't build them   I am STILL WAITING for just one person, archaeologist or ANYONE to cut me a 1 foot perfect cube of granite that is highly polished using just a wooden mallet and copper chisel... and you don't even have to quarry it.

Until you (anyone) can do this, all the theories are bunk being a stone cutter myself I KNOW I could not do it with those tools  and those tools are the only ones they supposedly had according to archaeologists. If you cannot reproduce the results that one claims others used, then you have no case.

Explain that fact, please. Isn't it based on the assumption that the larger pyramids are older?

According to current geological dating these 8 pyramids all built within a 50 year or so range are the oldest  http://www.oldest.org/structures/pyramids/

How do water erosion marks on the Sphinx prove that the pyramids are far older than Egyptian society?

Because we have historically accurate records of the last time the water was that high in Egypt. No one had a reason to hide that data

I don't know what you mean by "puzzle block stones". Could you explain that?

Then you haven't been paying attention to posts and to the work of Brian Forster 

THESE are puzzle block stones  fit so closely you can't get a knife blade between them  They are found all around the world under many other ruins  especially in Peru and Bolivia but in Egypt as well

PERU



EGYPT

Why should I believe an invisible document from the Rosicrucians?

I will see what I can get for you   They are not invisible  If you were a serious seeker of truth you would join the organization 

Back when I started seeking answers I ran into a dead end on Tibet and the GP  The only way to get more than what was available in the libraries and the universities before the internet would be to go to those two places. At the time money was tight and politics prevented going to Tibet

At that time the RC sent me THIS   and since then I have a LOT more information... Quite frankly, I don't really care if you believe it or not   but just being skeptical without ever going on a trip to check it out yourself is not a very good way to find truth

Give real, confirmable facts, please, not assumptions, and I will consider them.

The inventory stela IS a confirmable fact 

[zorgon]

For a very long time it was believed that the puzzle block stone in peru were put there by the Inca... we now know that is not true and they are much older... and the Inca merely built on top of those ruins... as did later Peruvians build on top of that/// It is very easy to tell where each society left off, especially in Cuzco.

The Gobekli Tepi ruins are dated to 12,000 years ago, yet that date was set by a SINGLE camp fire that was found inside the site... so they could be much older and the camp fire was put there by hunter gathers taking shelter in ancient ruins.

The point here to consider is that if archaeologist of today WERE in deed trying to cover up facts that would destroy their theory, evidence would be hard to find. Some is destroyed, some hidden away in museums (like the Baghdad batteries) and a lot is misinterpreted based on pre-conceived ideas

Those puzzle block stones  had it not been for the likes of Brian Forster we would never have seen all these examples of precision stone work around the world.  because it doesn't fit the agenda of mainstream archaeology

That stone carved wheel in Egypt.. had it not been for the likes of Graham Hancock being on the scene, even I would never have know they found HUNDREDs of them (mostly broken)



ORIGINAL



So sitting at home on a computer using main stream info to make opinions is hardly condusive to finding truth... You need to get out there and do hands on research.

Fortunately today EVERYONE has a cell phone or digital camera so there is no stopping anyone from taking pictures of the odd stuff... like the block of granite that was not finished that clearly shows a saw cut that was not  completed

This is not the one I was looking for but its a good one too. You can see two other small cuts that were in the wrong spot

[The Seeker]

Pk, thanks to otter and her otter ways, I found the file I was looking for, from 2004:

The Inventory Stela, however, states unequivocally that the Great Pyramid and the Sphinx existed long before Khufu (The Sphinx much, much longer) and that he built his temple near the "house of the Sphinx" and so possibly only renovated the Great Pyramid (or possibly completed it, as the size of the blocks changes significantly in the construction.) Regardless of the interpretation as it concerns the Pyramid, it states the Sphinx was already there a great while. The Stela also mentions that lightening struck the tail of the nemes headdress of the Sphinx and destroyed it. This of course could only have happened if the Sphinx already existed in Khufu's time.

In support of this is the fact that nothing was ever found in the Great Pyramid, not even leavings of looters, and no carvings exist in the entire structure. The so-called "King's Chamber" is a perfect (well, almost perfect), featureless, near-seamless "golden rectangle"-shaped chamber made out of massive granite blocks with an identically-proportioned granite box (also found completely empty) inside of it. In the case of the Sphinx, it is weathered by water (with the exception of the head, which was probably carved from a lion's head to that of a man in Egyptian times, possibly by Khufu), a geological fact that makes it over 8-10,000 years old.

https://everything2.com/title/Inventory+Stela

[zorgon]

Perhaps they did THIS 



In IDAR OBERSTEIN, the famous agate cutting lapidary factory they used giant stone cutting wheels powered by a water wheel



Still use them today



But at least with Idar oberstein the evidence is still there

[zorgon]

Limestone inventory stela of the daughter of Khufu. Inscription begins [anX Hr mDd nswt -bjtj Xwfw dj anX] "Live the Horus Medjed, the king of Upper and Lower Egypt Khufu, given life" and continues with a dedication to Isis. In the course of the inscription there is mention of a temple to the goddess built next to the Sphinx to the north, west of another temple dedicated to Osiris. The middle of the stone is filled with inscriptions in four registers. In the fourth register, Apis and the Great Sphinx occupy the ends of the scene. The center reads: "The place of the Sphinx Horemakhet is south of the temple of Isis, the regent, and north of the temple of Osiris, lord of Rostau." The bottom of the stela is crudely executed.

http://giza.fas.harvard.edu/objects/54850/full/

Spinx already there