Velikovsky was right! Worlds In Collision vindicated!

[A51Watcher]

Yet another early pioneer who was scoffed at and derided finally has the last laugh -


July 05, 2018 22:09·

The wreckage of a few ancient planets formed the asteroid belt

The spinning disc of cloud-like matter began to coalesce into gas giants, icy moons, and rocky planets, slowly over time becoming the Solar System as it is known today. These asteroids are usually large and have orbits that may interfere with the Earth's path. For instance, the main asteroid belt - located between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter - is estimated to contain millions of objects, although only hundreds of thousands have actually been observed. In 1918, Japanese astronomer Kiyotsugu Hirayama was the first to notice that asteroids had similar elements, such as eccentricity and inclination, to their orbit.

The early days of the Solar System was a rough, rather violent place.

Based on Hirayama's ideas, for the past 100 years, astronomers have grouped asteroids into families and non-families, with only half of all the asteroids that we know of being classed in families.

Researchers are now on the right track towards uncovering all of the secrets of the Asteroid Belt. Further, she explained, "If we can turn back the clock and see the asteroid belt was made by these big planetesimals that really is telling us something quite definitive about the circumstances that formed our own planet".

While we know that the main source of Earth's meteorites is the inner asteroid belt, the research team has found that the vast majority of them are the result of a splintering of only five or six ancient, minor planets aeons ago.


more at link -

http://hilltopmonitor.com/2018/07/the-wreckage-of-a-few-ancient-planets-formed-the-asteroid/

[Irene]

I'm a science fanatic like everyone else here. From my perspective, the scientific establishment has been too critical of fresh ideas, and that has been borne out by repeated proof supporting unusual theories after the period of time necessary to investigate them.

I think vanity plays a large role in this institutional attitude. People who've become comfortable with their discoveries do not want their legacy endangered by being proven wrong.

It's that kind of arrogance that has really hindered the sciences. I'm including archaeology and paleontology, all the sciences.

[ArMaP]

I don't see how "Worlds In Collision" is vindicated.

The study talks about "planetesimals", not planets, and it's not a new theory, it's a confirmation of the mainstream theory for the formation of the asteroid belt.

Edited to add a link to a better article.

[A51Watcher]

I don't see how "Worlds In Collision" is vindicated.

The study talks about "planetesimals", not planets, and it's not a new theory, it's a confirmation of the mainstream theory for the formation of the asteroid belt.

Edited to add a link to a better article.

Ok then tell me what was the progenitor of these "planetesimals".

[thorfourwinds]

Edited to add a link to a better article.

So, where's that link?

[ArMaP]

Ok then tell me what was the progenitor of these "planetesimals".

The same progenitor of the planets. Planetesimals are supposed to have been created in the same way as planets, but planets kept on growing until they reached planet size.

At least that's how I understand it.

[ArMaP]

So, where's that link?

Sorry, it looks like I made a "zig" instead of a "zag".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/07/03/many-asteroids-might-be-remnants-of-five-destroyed-worlds-scientists-say

(if you don't have an Washington Post subscription you need to choose the "Free" option, like I did)

[thorfourwinds]

Did an Exploding Planet Create the Asteroid Belt? Tiamat, How did it Blow Up?

[A51Watcher]

[A51Watcher]

I am also reminded how the Principal Investigators for each probe mission we have sent out, express their surprise every time we get back data, that the actual results are very different from what we expected to see.

In other words, our previous theories turned out to be rubbish.


On any of the planets that have a surface that retain evidence of surface impacts, we see massive cratering.

How many of these can trace their heritage to the asteroid belt zone?

Has this amount been added to the total original mass of the Planetesimals?

How many asteroids in the belt have actually been analyzed for content? The percentage is quite small.


My point is that from Galileo's time up until now, mainstream sciences' established theories on planets have been proven to be rubbish, and new theories are dismissed out of hand only to be proven correct later.

As time has proven, we wont know until we get actual measurements and data.


Many of Velikovsky's ideas were based on the notion that ancient manuscripts contained descriptions of actual events witnessed, and not mythology as MSS would have us believe.


The details of our actual data up to now show the presence of Trojan asteroids in the orbit of Jupiter as well as in the Asteroid Belt. 

   


Also a more detailed look at the belt reveals the Kirkwood gaps -




I would not be surprised if we find such gaps in the Trojan groups as well.


If we wind back the clock and watch the origin of these asteroids I would also not be surprised to see them as part of a larger body suddenly blasted to smithereens yet left in their original orbit as evidence of their original fate.

I think it would be best to reserve judgement on Velikovsky's ideas or any others until we have actual data. Our track record up till now shows that would be the best choice.

[ArMaP]

On any of the planets that have a surface that retain evidence of surface impacts, we see massive cratering.

How many of these can trace their heritage to the asteroid belt zone?

Has this amount been added to the total original mass of the Planetesimals?

From what I have seen, some computer simulations say that, at most, there was originally as much mass on the asteroid belt as there is on Earth, while at the moment it's just around 0.001% of Earth's mass, so it looks like some people have thought of that too.

How many asteroids in the belt have actually been analyzed for content? The percentage is quite small.

What do you mean by "analysed for content"? Their composition?

My point is that from Galileo's time up until now, mainstream sciences' established theories on planets have been proven to be rubbish, and new theories are dismissed out of hand only to be proven correct later.

As time has proven, we wont know until we get actual measurements and data.

Yes, that's how it works, someone has a theory, it is tested with the available data, is supported or rejected, other people come up with new theories, we get more data, the theories are refined, etc, etc.

The first (I think) theory about the formation of the asteroid belt was that it was the remnants of a destroyed planet, but then more data showed that that wouldn't explain the behaviour and composition of the known asteroids, so new theories appeared. This theory appears to be a refined version of the original theory, as the data they got for the asteroids' orbits showed that they had a half dozen or so common points or origin, indicating that they came from a half dozen planetoids that were destroyed.

If this is the real explanation or not, time will tell, as usual.

If we wind back the clock and watch the origin of these asteroids I would also not be surprised to see them as part of a larger body suddenly blasted to smithereens yet left in their original orbit as evidence of their original fate.

One reason scientists don't think now that the asteroids are the remnants of one planet is the amount of energy needed to break a planet in small pieces and the consequences of that release of that energy.

I think it would be best to reserve judgement on Velikovsky's ideas or any others until we have actual data. Our track record up till now shows that would be the best choice.

That's what I think, it's to early to say that Velikovsky was right or not, the data still doesn't support his idea.

[zorgon]

Actually  the asteroid belt was created from the left over debris of a planet that exploded during a war that invoved Earth (then closer to the sun and covered i clouds like Venus) Mars (then with water and atmosphere) and a third planet. I don't have a name for it but we won't use Planet X because that will confuse issues.  Lets call it Gor 

The war was brutal  It scarred Mars leaving a huge gash, stipped away the atmosphere...  Gor was knocked out of orbit and its trajectory brought it close to Earth, knocking Earth out of its orbit (finally settled where it is today) This made Earth cooler and the clouds dropped their moisture resulting in fantastic floods.

This also opened the heavens for the first time and you could now see stars. It also shortened life spans as we were now exposed to radiation from space.

Planet Gor made a second  pass as it reurned again due to its orbit and this time closer. The forces tore the moon out of what is now the Pacific ocean creating the broken plates and ring fire that is still causing havok today.

The force of this near collision also broke apart Gor and the pieces finally settled into the orbit that is now the asteroid belt. This is why we find fossils in pieces of meteors... because they came from an already established planet, not proto planets in early formation.

There were beings, advanced beings, on all three worlds. Gor was completely destroyed, Mars was stripped of water air and life (though possibly their may be surviving underground colonies)  and Earth was torn apart.

This is the short version   I have yet to write this up with evidence collected/ I DO have an old Tibetan description of the orbital mechanics of this event

There are clues in all our ancient texts (just the chronology is wrong)

The flood is in many stories, even before the Bible.  Bible says "sun stopped in the heavens" It would appear as that , when the earth was jolted out of orbit. The ring of fire is real, the cracked plates are real.

Stories of Atlantis having destroyed themselves with powerful crystal energy weaopns still exist.  People are quick to say "Aliens" as in from outside our system  but I suppose people from Mars and Gor would be aliens

The Sumeriand tell of the collision of Tiamet.  Sumerian cosmology says the earth is a flat disk under a Tin roof...  well they were right... sort of... because the people that survived this did so on the ark... the ark was a spacecraft that hovered over Earth for generations waiting for it to settle down and become livable again

This is also why there are only a small number of pre cataclism objects found like the Antikythera mechanism  NOTHING much survived  The Great Pyramids were another survivor   

THIS is Noah's Ark... with the various biospheres...  The stories of Atlantis say humanity was disperese to all the corners of the earth... the Sumerians remember the tin dome over their flat earth (biosphere)   The bible says "7 of each clean beast, each and his mate (that's 14) and 2 of each unclean beast each and his mate" (thats 4). Now that number is a viable biological reproduction amount  but those numbers woule never fit on that little wooden boat.

Besides if they were all on one boat that crashed in Turkey... how did the Kangerooos get back to Australia? they can't swim... and WHY are certain species only found in one location? If they all spread out from that wooden boat in Turkey would they not be all around the world?

THIS is a true account of what really happened... I just need to put it together in a logical order

I chose the name GOR because that is an old novel series by John Norman from the 50's about a Counter Earth... a planet in our same orbit exactly opposite the sun   Using Tiamet or Planet X would just confuse too many people as Planet X has already wrongly been mixed up with Nibiru

Believe it or believe it not  your choise but this IS a true accounting and it fits the facts

[fansongecho]

@Zorgon - I seem to recall that the planet you mention was called Man..  I will try and find out where I saw that name and the story about the war you talk about m8, gimme a day or two -

Cheers,

Fans'

EDIT' - This is one of the links that are of interest and cover off Thomas Van Flandern theory about the exploding planet hypothosis, it starts properly at 2mins 40's.. the first 2 mins are the guys setting up -



Edit' - I think I am wrong about the name Man, I cant seem to find the reference for it  anyhoo, here is a great link https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/marte/esp_marte_29.htm#Summary of the Exploded Planet Hypothesis (eph)

I will ping more as I find them. 

Edit" - https://iaminow.wordpress.com/2010/02/22/planet-hypothesis-hyperdimensional-physics/

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Actually  the asteroid belt was created from the left over debris of a planet that exploded during a war that invoved Earth (then closer to the sun and covered i clouds like Venus) Mars (then with water and atmosphere) and a third planet. I don't have a name for it but we won't use Planet X because that will confuse issues.  Lets call it Gor 

The war was brutal  It scarred Mars leaving a huge gash, stipped away the atmosphere...  Gor was knocked out of orbit and its trajectory brought it close to Earth, knocking Earth out of its orbit (finally settled where it is today) This made Earth cooler and the clouds dropped their moisture resulting in fantastic floods.

This also opened the heavens for the first time and you could now see stars. It also shortened life spans as we were now exposed to radiation from space.

Planet Gor made a second  pass as it reurned again due to its orbit and this time closer. The forces tore the moon out of what is now the Pacific ocean creating the broken plates and ring fire that is still causing havok today.

The force of this near collision also broke apart Gor and the pieces finally settled into the orbit that is now the asteroid belt. This is why we find fossils in pieces of meteors... because they came from an already established planet, not proto planets in early formation.

There were beings, advanced beings, on all three worlds. Gor was completely destroyed, Mars was stripped of water air and life (though possibly their may be surviving underground colonies)  and Earth was torn apart.

This is the short version   I have yet to write this up with evidence collected/ I DO have an old Tibetan description of the orbital mechanics of this event

There are clues in all our ancient texts (just the chronology is wrong)

The flood is in many stories, even before the Bible.  Bible says "sun stopped in the heavens" It would appear as that , when the earth was jolted out of orbit. The ring of fire is real, the cracked plates are real.

Stories of Atlantis having destroyed themselves with powerful crystal energy weaopns still exist.  People are quick to say "Aliens" as in from outside our system  but I suppose people from Mars and Gor would be aliens

The Sumeriand tell of the collision of Tiamet.  Sumerian cosmology says the earth is a flat disk under a Tin roof...  well they were right... sort of... because the people that survived this did so on the ark... the ark was a spacecraft that hovered over Earth for generations waiting for it to settle down and become livable again

This is also why there are only a small number of pre cataclism objects found like the Antikythera mechanism  NOTHING much survived  The Great Pyramids were another survivor   

THIS is Noah's Ark... with the various biospheres...  The stories of Atlantis say humanity was disperese to all the corners of the earth... the Sumerians remember the tin dome over their flat earth (biosphere)   The bible says "7 of each clean beast, each and his mate (that's 14) and 2 of each unclean beast each and his mate" (thats 4). Now that number is a viable biological reproduction amount  but those numbers woule never fit on that little wooden boat.

Besides if they were all on one boat that crashed in Turkey... how did the Kangerooos get back to Australia? they can't swim... and WHY are certain species only found in one location? If they all spread out from that wooden boat in Turkey would they not be all around the world?

THIS is a true account of what really happened... I just need to put it together in a logical order

I chose the name GOR because that is an old novel series by John Norman from the 50's about a Counter Earth... a planet in our same orbit exactly opposite the sun   Using Tiamet or Planet X would just confuse too many people as Planet X has already wrongly been mixed up with Nibiru

Believe it or believe it not  your choise but this IS a true accounting and it fits the facts

So the REAL War of the Worlds?.....

[space otter]

are you guys talking about maldek??
with my first studies of astrology i was lead to the stories
but haven't read much science fiction so we may or maynot be talking of the same thing
if you type in maldek -even in you tube - it's everywhere



http://karljahn.tripod.com/Maldek.htm

Somehow this imaginary planet acquired the name "Maldek." There are as many versions of the story of Maldek on the Web as there are New Age goofs who don't grasp the principle of non-contradiction or the difference between fantasy and reality. It's rather a shame, actually: if any of these people could discipline their imaginations, they might have the makings of a science-fiction writer. The story of Maldek is the stuff of grand space opera.

* * *

"If you look at the ancient literature on your planet, like the Sumerian texts, you'll see that the ETs were using what is very similar to your present-day rockets. The ETs did not have hyperspace capability. Most of them lived either on the Earth or in space stations very close to Earth on both Mars and Maldek which is now your asteroid belt.... In those ancient days there were really only three planets that could support physical life: one was Mars, one was Earth and one was Maldek, which is now your asteroid belt. There were no humans on those planets. They were primarily ET territory."

http://www.sacred-texts.com/ufo/otof/otof10.htm

James 3:6: "And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell."

This verse can also be translated: "And the tongue is a fire, that world of iniquity: the tongue is among our members that which defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the wheel of nature (or birth), and is set on fire by hell (Gehenna)."

Referring again to Maldek, James 3:6 could read: "And Maldek (the tongue) is aflame (a fire), that would of iniquity: Maldek (the tongue) is among our planets (members) that which defileth the whole solar system (body), and setteth on fire the vortex (wheel) of nature (or birth), and is set on fire by the unseen state (hell)."

In Greek, hell is here translated as Gehenna (Hebrew, Gehinnom). Gehinnom was the valley of Hinnom, near Jerusalem, where the city's refuse was thrown and burned; hence, hell-fire and hell

Maldek - Ascension Glossary
https://ascensionglossary.com/index.php/Maldek
Aug 27, 2016 - These 12 planets are Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Maldek, Jupiter, ... Leviathan Races are a part of the history which manifested the black ...

The Law of One Category Earth History, Subcategory Maldek/Bigfoot
https://www.lawofone.info/results.php?c=Earth+History&su=Maldek%2FBigfoot 24 results - There are various names by which this planet has been named. The vibratory sound complex most usually used by your peoples is Maldek


adding just a few of the other sources

https://www.aetherius.org/the-mother-earth/atlantis-lemuria-maldek/



A story of a Survivor | Truth Control
https://www.truthcontrol.com/forum/story-survivor
Jan 31, 2014 - In honor of my lost home planet Maldek I present to you a story I've found about it. Is this story true? quite likely I'm not saying it's fact and I ...


MALDEK / Mulduke - Mystic Knowing
www.mysticknowing.com/glossary/maldek-mulduke/
Apr 2, 2018 - was the 4th planet in our solar system. The original leaders of Maldek were of Sirian descent or DNA aligned with universal truths. They started ...


you get the idea...lots of opinion and regurgitated stories  to sift thur



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Robert Morning Sky("Terra papers"),
Zecharia Sitchin,