Time to Stir the Pot

[zorgon]

Time to Stir the Pot

It has been way to quiet on this forum for some time... and yet suddenly there is an influx of people wanting to rehash old topics.

In the interest of stimulating some activity here again, I am going to allow a little more leeway.  keep it civil, keep it to the point..  but be warned if it gets out of hand the Axemen are in need of exercise

[zorgon]

With all the recent bruhaha over the TTSA and Skin Walkr ranch stuff coming out... there is a thought that comes to mind...


Let's for the sake of discussion assume that the Alien thing is real and that the Cabal (the secret government behind the government) has managed to keep it secret all these years...

So  what do we have?

1) Thousands of official released UFO files from various government agencies around the world since 2000ish all freely available online

2) Not ONE flesh and blood alien or nuts and bolts flying saucer in ANY of those reports, just "UFO's" and "UAP's"

3) British MoD, Blue Book and now the pentagon UFO watch programs closed because they were too expensive and produced no results, found no threats

4) Skin Walker ranch story and connection to Robert Bigelow.  Now for decades we have all wanted to know what went on there... and finally we are seeing a 'release' of that information...  well are we?

5) Harry Reid, that POS ex Senator that caused John to lose his mining claim because he was involved in that attempted land grab that involved the Bundy Ranch incidence... (and lost 5 million when the Chinese pulled out of that deal he had) is now suddenly "Mr UFO expert" and gets 26 million or so to share with Bigelow to pursue UFO's. Harry says he doesn't want to talk about Roswell saucers or "little green men"... that what we have is Demons...

6) So we find a long list of names involved in this TTSA new program, Robert Bigelow (NIDS), Tom DeLonge, Harry Reid, Hal Puthoff (OWL in the old AVIARY UFO group), George Knapp, and now Bob Lazar, Springer (Mark Allin) from ATS and Robbie Williams.

7) George tried to sell the Skin Walker story to Netflix. They turned it down several times. So he ends up getting mixed up with 4 Names (I refuse to give that schmuck ANY press time ) and look at the result... pure bullshit and no real info...

Gene Huff is pissed at 4 Names... yet it was him that introduced Bob to him.  John Lear is pushed to the sidelines, despite all the material 4 Names got from him, there is no contract so John gets nothing. John has stated recently that "it doesn't matter who gets the credit, so long as the info get's out"  To me that doesn't sound like the john I know. I know he is in poor health but this sounds more like he was told to back off.  This is just my gut feeling..I will ask him when I see him this week

9) Then we get a new 'whistle blower" Luis Elizondo who we find out is already working for TTSA  Well there goes an unbiased information out the window...  I wonder how much his paycheck is?

There is more I am sure and I will add it if I think of it... Anyone else is free to add more points...

But here is the thought...

IF the Alien stuff IS real (as most here believe) I cannot thing of a better way for the cover up to get renewed than turning the whole thing into the media circus it has now become...

There is a lot of big money players involved... so you can bet your last dollar they all expect to reap BIG rewards on this... If they were in it to get the facts out, we would already have the answers instead of these stupid "documentaries' that provide nothing and just rehash the same old same old and add a ton of fresh manure to the pile.

So you may all be drooling over thsi new 'release'  I for one will just buy more popcorn and watch this circus unfold...  But really, it's all so old that it's not even entertaining anymore...

My 2 cents worth...

Back to the rocks... at least THOSE are real 

[space otter]

hey is stirring the pot  the same as circling the drain?  ?  ? 

i am tossing either oil or water on this flame..depends on your point of view

you guys know i luv to search..it's my fun thing..
i have noticed that the pickins are getting slimmer and slimmer and more recent info and less diversity in the finds..
i have always held that you need three seperate and individual sources to make a good reference to anything
but   now
it's like having a library of only selected authors pretending to reference older more knowing folk

i truly believe we are being funneled down to where someone is in total control of what we find and by the next 10 / 20 or maybe even sooner.. real info into what actually has been seen and heard will not be available

just stories by the likes of four names and a few others like mufon guys...

i am glad i have my little library that doesn't depend on google, etc.
not that every written older word is true...but the range is wider for me to base my opinion on

so opposing opinions  imo are a good thing.. as long as they are civil
if you have to throw stones or call names  to make your point then you don't have good info

on the ufo stuff...i believe what i have seen  and what i have experienced can not be explained by anything i have read here or elsewhere at this time and that the most you guys can do is share stories
while bob might be a smart man i think he was selected to share info..wheather it was misleading or true.. hummmmmmmmmm maybe both..
john on the other hand makes me think of my dad.. who luved to let you think something after tons of pointing out all the 'facts' only to laugh loudly and point at the smoke and mirrors..never letting on what part of the ruse was fact.. you're on your own


i also think that the ufo thing is the santa claus story of someone (thing) enjoying our lack of progress in figuring it out
but hey..wtf do i know

play on ...  i'm going back to my jig saw puzzle   i can solve that 

[Ellirium113]

Let's for the sake of discussion assume that the Alien thing is real and that the Cabal (the secret government behind the government) has managed to keep it secret all these years...

So  what do we have?

1) Thousands of official released UFO files from various government agencies around the world since 2000ish all freely available online

2) Not ONE flesh and blood alien or nuts and bolts flying saucer in ANY of those reports, just "UFO's" and "UAP's"

3) British MoD, Blue Book and now the pentagon UFO watch programs closed because they were too expensive and produced no results, found no threats

4) Skin Walker ranch story and connection to Robert Bigelow.  Now for decades we have all wanted to know what went on there... and finally we are seeing a 'release' of that information...  well are we?

5) Harry Reid, that POS ex Senator that caused John to lose his mining claim because he was involved in that attempted land grab that involved the Bundy Ranch incidence... (and lost 5 million when the Chinese pulled out of that deal he had) is now suddenly "Mr UFO expert" and gets 26 million or so to share with Bigelow to pursue UFO's. Harry says he doesn't want to talk about Roswell saucers or "little green men"... that what we have is Demons...

6) So we find a long list of names involved in this TTSA new program, Robert Bigelow (NIDS), Tom DeLonge, Harry Reid, Hal Puthoff (OWL in the old AVIARY UFO group), George Knapp, and now Bob Lazar, Springer (Mark Allin) from ATS and Robbie Williams.

7) George tried to sell the Skin Walker story to Netflix. They turned it down several times. So he ends up getting mixed up with 4 Names (I refuse to give that schmuck ANY press time  ) and look at the result... pure bullshit and no real info...

Gene Huff is pissed at 4 Names... yet it was him that introduced Bob to him.  John Lear is pushed to the sidelines, despite all the material 4 Names got from him, there is no contract so John gets nothing. John has stated recently that "it doesn't matter who gets the credit, so long as the info get's out"  To me that doesn't sound like the john I know. I know he is in poor health but this sounds more like he was told to back off.  This is just my gut feeling..I will ask him when I see him this week

9) Then we get a new 'whistle blower" Luis Elizondo who we find out is already working for TTSA  Well there goes an unbiased information out the window...  I wonder how much his paycheck is?

There is more I am sure and I will add it if I think of it... Anyone else is free to add more points...

I got a 1/2 cent to chip in.

1) I don't believe John would continue to associate with anyone that would fabricate a story based on his material. I think he would strongly condemn those that would do that. So watching the Lazar-Meiers debate unfold seems a bit strange as Lear is a highly repected member that is quite meticolous in his research.

2) I also don't think Gene Huff would sit idly by.

3) Is it remotely possible that if Lazar DID work on a craft's propulsion system that it could possibly been a craft of the same type, thus the similarities? 

4) What the heck happened with the Disclosure Project? Did that favor the money train vs. facts? How many careers would have sank over that? Why does there seem to be different camps of UFOlogists all proclaiming each other as frauds? It would make more sense to unite and get to the truth once and for all. I think too much butt-hurt for that to happen. 

[ArMaP]

6) So we find a long list of names involved in this TTSA new program, Robert Bigelow (NIDS), Tom DeLonge, Harry Reid, Hal Puthoff (OWL in the old AVIARY UFO group), George Knapp, and now Bob Lazar, Springer (Mark Allin) from ATS and Robbie Williams.

Springer and Robbie Williams connected to TTSA? I only saw a thin connection to the Skinwalker Ranch.

[robomont]

i havent given up.i got 26 thousand views on my ufo motor thread.

im cautious of what i say these days because too many folks have ban buttons and each has their own agenda.

theres so many bots on the forums these days and im not gonna waste a bunch of time chatting with bots.
or be banned for suggesting someone may be a bot.
so in my paranoia of bots everywhere,i just chill out and not share my secrets anymore.

also tired of ancient aliens stealin my stuff.lol.

[The Seeker]

A few more items to add to the list of characters and happenings of the new disclosure side show 

10). We have Gary McKinnon, a small time amateur hacker who claims to have stumbled upon a folder containing a list of 700 "non-terrestrial" billets after tapping into a non-protected computer, and it's amazing how he was fighting extradition to the states and now suddenly he is here in the states and appearing on the bill for the ufologist circus...

11). John Podesta, former chief of staff for Slick Willie and deeply involved in Hillary's 2016 campaign, pushing that she would make full disclosure a top priority whilst patronizing Tom DeLonghe as the millenials were spoon fed their agenda...

then add in George Knapp and 4 names to Tom Delonghe's buddy list...

Moe, Larry, and Curly...





12). Micheal Salla's "whistle blowers", i.e. Corey Goode and all the alleged "secret space program" cast of characters spinning the tales of clandestine corporate colonies on Mars, extraordinary fleets of space vehicles, and not to mention the ability to take Goode 20 years in the past to re-insert him into his teenage body at the exact time he left for his 20 year tour of duty, along with the discovery of million year old Martian colony ships buried under the Antarctic ice sheet

Pass the popcorn, Z...

[Ellirium113]

Interesting...just caught this:

[zorgon]

Springer and Robbie Williams connected to TTSA? I only saw a thin connection to the Skinwalker Ranch.

Thin?  when your boss Springer came out and publicly stated they were in on the Skin Walker deal?  LOL

Internet Movie Data Base has this list of interesting names involved



Eric Davis works with/for Hal puthoff at EarthTech and his name has come up several times on our radar especially in regards to the Air Force Stargate papers and others

John Alexander is Col John Alexander former head of the Aviary UFO group and he has been involved in EVERY aspect of the UFO story. Hal Puthoff was also Aviary group as was Bigelow, but I don't know his bird name (He was head of NIDS thought)

George Knapp and Robert Bigelow are on that list and so are ROBBIE WILLIAMS and MARK ALLIN

So i would say the connection is not that thin

ETA
This is interesting  Posted by the owner of the Black vault:

Dr. Eric Davis, TTSA and the BLATANTLY FALSE Information Being Touted - Along With Out of Line Insults Towards Various Researchers

I wanted to post this here, because my response has source links to completely disprove what Dr. Davis is claiming. This is key here, because Dr. Davis, although not a spokesperson, is heavily connected to this story, and has been acting as the "bulldog" defending the TTSA mission, Mr. Luis Elizondo, etc.

from r/UFOs

OOPS... I ran out of Popcorn...  be back later

[zorgon]

Interesting...just caught this:

HOLY CRAP!!!!! This is AWESOME!!!!

So it's MAGIC they discovered  and the CIA is channeling Aliens?

WOW what a find  I can deal with this    It fits more into my Reality

[The Seeker]

[BadHairDay]

Hey All. New here. Used to converse with John on GLP, and really miss the open contact and amazing advice, info and stories.

Super interesting vid above.

I personally also believe pretty much anything we are 'discovering' is either funneled or pushed to enact some end result. Even counter arguments, which create a healthy discussion and perpetuation of certain themes.

Intel dumps and 'testing of the waters' via limited releases of intel to me, are pretty much the only way to peek into the world behind that veil. But they're still a controlled release, seeking a deliberate end, if only to understand that this particular pathway doesn't work, or cant easily be controlled.

There was some mention of Hollowman AFB, and the 1971 (alleged) landing. The shut down and rapid development of a plausible deniability (child porn janitor...!!! seriously...) of the that New Mexico observatory late last year I think has more to do with the 1971 landing. Either a departure or a new landing, which could very easily have been seen from the observatory. (which indeed was used to film many test flights and other  launches from that base)

Anyway, looking forward to learning from you all, and hopefully contributing some info where I can. I'm an Aussie, I was dragged into this CT world via the infamous BEZERK thread on GLP, and have pretty much remained there since, despite the death of the OP. I like thinking about stuff, and working stuff out, especially starting with what if...



PS - water isnt blue...

[zorgon]

PS - water isnt blue...

Oh but it IS 

"While relatively small quantities of water appear to be colorless, pure water has a slight blue color that becomes a deeper blue as the thickness of the observed sample increases. The blue hue of water is an intrinsic property and is caused by selective absorption and scattering of white light."

You can test this yourself... Get a clean white bucket and fill it with pure distilled water....

COLOR of any object does not exist technically as all we see is reflected frequency of light...


The real color of water is blue — here's why

https://www.zmescience.com/other/science-abc/the-real-color-of-water-blue/


Welcome... 

John has not posted here in some time... but you can find him on facebook these days.

[zorgon]

I have mentined that 4 Names will do more harm than good with his 'documentaries'

Well it's already strating to happen.  Here are just a few comments from Reddit

ZzZzish
29 days ago
Jeremy Corbell makes Bob Lazar's story sound fabricated. 3:
He's a "meh" filmmaker who hypes up everything to an unnecessary, surreal degree. Hunt for the Skinwalker was extremely disappointing. After hearing a super enthusiastic interview, i thought it would be (at least) entertaining... i have never been so effing bored and turned off from paranormal mumbo. Jeremy is a douche ruining, hollywood ass.

WolfgangJones
28 days ago
Harsh, and maybe even warranted criticism of Corbell, although I don't have my own opinion because I've never given much time or credence to UFOlogy or Corbell, even though I believe in aliens. I tripped over to his website (www.extraordinarybeliefs.com), however, and watched one other film, Immaculate Deception, about John Lear. Not a good film if his intent was to provide any proof of anything. On the other hand, it was good look at what the life of a committed (and paranoid) UFOlogist might look like.

Disclaimer: only saw part 1

from here:

Why Did the FBI Raid the Home of the Biggest Alien Truther?

from r/conspiracy

[petrus4]

If nothing else, my experience with psychedelics gave me the impression that we live in a much larger, and more highly populated universe than the majority might think.  I will also say that I've seen several theoretical explanations for the propulsion systems of ET craft which make sense to me, to the point where I think they might be possible.

For me, the one big hurdle to physical ETs is the sheer amount of physical distance between Earth and other solar systems/galaxies where they might live.  Stargates and FTL drives can potentially get around that problem though.

I am more or less certain that other life exists; I'm just not sure I think it is corporeal or physical in exactly the same way we are.  At this point I'm probably more leaning in the direction of a radio-like, frequency based extradimensional model for aliens, rather than a strictly physical one.  I think an ERP bridge or TARDIS will look more like the real spacecraft of the future, than the space shuttle.