Congressional Chaos 2019...

[WhatTheHey]

exactly, and teach them they are capable of doing for themselves, on their own, and need to get off their butts and go do it instead of "being provided for."



Seeker

    Its good to eyes that see and ears that hear.   

    If we can teach this very thing to the sheep, then they can lead them selves.  If you can see clearly, hear clearly and there in understand

what's confronting you, its much more apparent as to what steps to take for your own best interest.  Even for those loved ones and any others about you too.

   If we were to all do this it would be a better world! 

[spacemaverick]

    Its good to eyes that see and ears that hear.   

    If we can teach this very thing to the sheep, then they can lead them selves.  If you can see clearly, hear clearly and there in understand

what's confronting you, its much more apparent as to what steps to take for your own best interest.  Even for those loved ones and any others about you too.

   If we were to all do this it would be a better world! 

There will always be sheep, there will always be wolves and there will always by shepherds.

[ArMaP]

spacemaverick, this will shed a little more light on the "useful idiots"

If true.

How can we know if what is written in that image is really related to what Allinsky wrote? I found an online version of "Rules for Radicals" and I can't see any thing like that in the book.

[spacemaverick]

If true.

How can we know if what is written in that image is really related to what Allinsky wrote? I found an online version of "Rules for Radicals" and I can't see any thing like that in the book.

Look at near the last part and you will find that most of what Alinsky was talking about was taken from the plan of Lenin.

[spacemaverick]

Also you will find the outline from a defected KGB official many years ago by the name of Yuri Bemenov.



Above link is the full lecture



Above link is about Useful Idiots

[ArMaP]

If you try to educate the sheep and "open their minds" or 'wake them up" as I hear used so (usually by someone who really doesn't have a clue themselves ) all you will do is create chaos and have a whole bunch of Sheep running around lost and confused (what I see happening today)

We should never try to educate those that do not want to be educated, it's better to present them all the information we have and let them choose what to do with it.

[ArMaP]

Look at near the last part and you will find that most of what Alinsky was talking about was taken from the plan of Lenin.

No, what I see is that some guy wrote that, it doesn't mean it's true.

PS: I don't waste my time with videos.

[zorgon]

We should never try to educate those that do not want to be educated, it's better to present them all the information we have and let them choose what to do with it.

THAT my friend is why the world is in such a mess

The problem with letting them choose what to do with it is that most people will only pick bits and pieces that they want to believe and ignore the rest.

So when that happens you get millions of people with a million different versions of reality... in other words CHAOS.

And the internet has allowed this to spread like a cancer. The Village idiot now has a voice around the world and can spread their version of truth and shout down reality by shear force of numbers... The flat earth movement is a prime example. They will ignore any real facts and evidence but will listen to anyone telling them what they want to hear.  Science is irrelevant to them.

What determines what a person chooses to listen to?

I have a tenant, a nice girl but borders on what we call "Snowflake"  She has listened to people  so she eats Himalayan Pink Salt   Now that salt is not from the Himalayas but rather a dirty mine in Pakistan  and the "Pink" is impurities of iron oxide and manganese.  Also contains radioactive particles and NO Iodine. German has banned it for human consumption... it was originally sold as bath salts, for which it is fine

But the New Age groups have 'taught' that this is really good for you.  It's not and if you don't get iodine you will really be in trouble... but people left to their own devices will PICK AND CHOOSE what they believe...  and for some reason they will believe the charlatans over the scientist...

So I have done as you suggested SHOWED HER THE FACTS...  her father has done the same...

but she listens to her friends  and as a result ...eats that dirty pink salt

Well fortunately for her The "Pink Salt" allowed to be sold for food consumption in the US is actually normal table salt with pink food dye    But the POINT is you cannot just in good conscience, leave people to decide for themselves. This is why we have laws and government in the first place... and it's a GOOD thing, until the Shepherds get greedy and out of control


So on this point I disagree with you.  I will do what ever I can to educate, with bias if need need be.

I Do agree with you that you cannot make them learn unless they want to...  but I bet if you stuck that horses head underwater he will eventually have to take a drink 

[spacemaverick]

No, what I see is that some guy wrote that, it doesn't mean it's true.

PS: I don't waste my time with videos.

Trying to help clarify and I will not bother to answer you anymore.

[fansongecho]

I love video's Spacemaverick  as well as other media 

[ArMaP]

So on this point I disagree with you.  I will do what ever I can to educate, with bias if need need be.

I understand your point of view, but I think that, at least, when we use our own bias we should warn people that this is our own interpretation of the facts and not the facts themselves, and they can agree or disagree with our interpretation.

[ArMaP]

Trying to help clarify and I will not bother to answer you anymore.

Sorry for my rude answer, but at the end of a working day (that should have been a rest day) at the end of a long week my patience was at a minimum, and when I saw an almost 3 hours video my first thought was what I wrote, against what I usually do.

If you haven't noticed before I can tell you I think most videos are a waste of time, as the information they convey can (usually) be transmitted in a much faster way in written form, that also allows me to go back and forth with ease. Also, as English is not my first language I have some difficulty, sometimes, understanding what is said in videos, while I do not have any problem with reading English.

Also, my post was not about the "useful idiots", but about the veracity of the information presented in the image posted by The Seeker, as I have seen that information being presented as a fact but I haven't seen any confirmation of it being true, so we may be looking at another case of false information being seen and accepted because of personal bias.

Sorry again. 

[petrus4]

Now that salt is not from the Himalayas but rather a dirty mine in Pakistan  and the "Pink" is impurities of iron oxide and manganese.

Manganese is beneficial in trace amounts, but it is uncomfortably easy to reach toxicity, if memory serves.  According to Wikipedia the RDI is less than 2.5 miligrams a day, which sounds about right.  The symptoms of toxicity are also rather nasty, by the looks.  Rust (iron oxide) also isn't something I recommend ingesting in abundance, either; various forms of infection can travel with it.

At one point I was tempted by the rock salt scam, but fortunately I did some research, and found out about that mine you mention, Zorgon.  I think there possibly are some nice brands of niche or artisan rock salt going around, but given the New Age tendency to adopt obscure and seemingly healthy foods as status symbols, it definitely pays to do your homework on anything, before you buy it.  The "superfood" craze is a genuine cultural pestilence, as far as I am concerned; because it drives up the prices of various things which I might want to buy (such as organic cacao, for instance) purely for the sake of my genuine health, and not because I care about other people thinking I'm awesome due to eating it.

but she listens to her friends  and as a result ...eats that dirty pink salt

As I said, things like that are only ever about what your social in-group thinks.  Probably the only reason why she does it, is because she wants said stupid friends to think well of her, and they have likely made that salt a criterion of their acceptance of her.

But the POINT is you cannot just in good conscience, leave people to decide for themselves.

Yes, except occasionally there are those few of us who want to decide for ourselves, and DO have the sense to do so; although fortunately there are always the woods, I suppose.

[WhatTheHey]

There will always be sheep, there will always be wolves and there will always by shepherds.

   Yes it seems that will be the case!  As long as sheep are unable to make choices using the best and most beneficial aspects of there minds.

And that's the rub......education and the practice of accurate observation is the only feasible method for any choice to be made correctly.   No matter whether your

a sheep or a Shepard.

  It has always been the wolves that seek to abuse the lives of others for there own benefit! And in doing so cause them selves much stress and paranoia.  You know 

even sheep get angry when they have had enough........lol         And there are always more sheep then wolves!       Its happened many times over just this way

throughout history. 

Leave us all to hope some day it can end.   

     WhatTheHey

[zorgon]

I understand your point of view, but I think that, at least, when we use our own bias we should warn people that this is our own interpretation of the facts and not the facts themselves, and they can agree or disagree with our interpretation.

That would be true IF it was only personal opinion... but when you back up that opinion with many documents from official sources... then you have stronger legs to stand on.

What really bothers me the most is that when you have absolute proof of a fact, they not only don't want to hear it, they won't even look at the documentation...

Those are what I call the Village Idiots