Worsening Weather, Earthquakes, Vortices, Volcanoes, CMEs ... What's Up?

[zorgon]

[ArMaP]

These fissures fascinate me. I view them as symptoms of a larger issue with the Earth's crust. I think it's been compromised. By what, I have no idea.

Those fissures are only on the soil, they are not deep, so they are not symptoms of issues with the Earth's crust, only with the top few metres.

[thorfourwinds]

Those fissures are only on the soil, they are not deep, so they are not symptoms of issues with the Earth's crust, only with the top few metres.

Please PROVE that your statement above is correct, as I think it is totally without merit. 

large earth fissure has opened up between the cities of Daniëlskuil and Kuruman in Northern Cape, South Africa after heavy rains hit the region at the beginning of the month. The fissure is still growing and is nearing dangerously close to the R31 road between the two cities, which is now officially closed.

The crack was discovered on January 6, 2017, during heavy rains and floods in which at least 7 people lost their lives. As of Friday, January 13, it was about 300 m (980 feet) long and 30 m (98 feet) deep. It is located about 55 km (34 miles) south of Kuruman.

30 meters is a lot more than "the top few". You make it seem that it's only a few feet, when, in reality, it's 98.

Why are you misleading the reader?

"... they are not symptoms of issues with the Earth's crust..."

And here you make out like you're a geologist.

Are you really a geologist, or just blowing smoke to further your agenda?   

Please share with us what 'they' are.

Thank you for all you do.   

[ArMaP]

Please PROVE that your statement above is correct, as I think it is totally without merit. 

It's not really correct, as the soil is usually some centimetres deep.

30 meters is a lot more than "the top few". You make it seem that it's only a few feet, when, in reality, it's 98.

30 metres is "the top few" when compared with the crust's thickness, around 1000 times that. If we were talking about fissures 1000 metres (3280 feet for the metric system challenged ) deep then it would be different.

Why are you misleading the reader?

I'm not.

And here you make out like you're a geologist.

I'm not a geologist, but I studied geology at school and I like geology.

Are you really a geologist, or just blowing smoke to further your agenda?   

Not a geologist and no agenda.

Please share with us what 'they' are.

Sorry, I thought Portuguese and English use pronouns in the same way, serving as a reference to a subject used at the start of the sentence. In this case, "they" is the same as "Those fissures".

Thank you for all you do.   

You're welcome.

[thorfourwinds]

Big crack in Ethiopia , Israel beach front property soon to be available

Mary Greeley
Published on Jan 11, 2017
In 2005, a gigantic, 35-mile-long rift broke open the desert ground in Ethiopia. At the time, some geologists believed the rift was the beginning of a new ocean as two parts of the African continent pulled apart, but the claim was controversial...

The northern part of the system is the Jordan Rift Valley. The Jordan Rift Valley stretches from the Golan Heights, near Israel's border with Syria and Lebanon, to the Dead Sea, to the Gulf of Aqaba—an inlet of the Red Sea that separates the Sinai Peninsula from the Arabian Peninsula.

[thorfourwinds]

Huge Crack in the Earth Opens Up East of Yellowstone Caldera by Big Horn Mountains

DAHBOO777
Published on Oct 28, 2015
www.undergroundworldnews.com

This giant crack in the earth appeared in the last two weeks on a ranch we hunt in the Bighorn Mountains. Everyone here is calling it "the gash". It's a really incredible sight.

Posted by SNS Outfitter & Guides on Friday, October 23, 2015
A follow-up post from today explains a little bit more about the large opening.

"An engineer from Riverton, WY came out to shed a little light on this giant crack in the earth. Apparently, a wet spring lubricated across a cap rock. Then, a small spring on either side caused the bottom to slide out. He estimated 15 to 20 million yards of movement. By range finder, an estimate is 750 yards long and about 50 yards wide."

[thorfourwinds]

Yet Another Dam Imminent Warning, N Philippines Coldest in 46 Years, Oz Snows (320)

Adapt 2030
Published on Feb 25, 2017
Another dam warning of imminent collapse with flash flood warnings in Nevada, the event has passes but with levies breaking across California, Nevada and now dam over tops in these two states, what is happening that's not being told to us. Summer snow in Australia, more images emerge, 24 feet of snow for Tahoe in JANUARY ALONE. Avalanches at Snowbird, people trapped.

End Times Signs Latest Events

Mr Watchman
Published on Mar 2, 2017

End Times Signs Latest Events

Mr Watchman
Published on Mar 3, 2017

FEMA & World Government Think Tanks Ready for Global Food Shortages:
Timeline and Which Countries

Adapt 2030
Published on Jun 29, 2016
FEMA representatives came out and said that food shortages will about by 2020 and food prices will rise by 400%. This summary was from the larger Food Chain Reaction Global Food Security Group Workshop. The findings were startling. All governments across the planet know the Grand Solar Minimum is arriving, and they had this exercise to discover the ramifications on our global food yields and delivery systems. Losses and chaos was the outcome.

Global Food Shocks 2017: Seven Crops that Will Rise in Price
Mini Ice Age 2015-2035 (139)

Adapt 2030
Published on Feb 27, 2016
Following patterns of drought and cold cycles along with La Nina intensification forecast, there will be a drive on oranges, rice, maize, almonds, walnuts, tropical fruit and vegetables starting 2017.

Record Snow Iceland, Food Costs Spike in EU & Heat Not Record Hot (322)

Adapt 2030
Published on Mar 1, 2017
Record snows blanket Iceland, inflation up 8.8% in EU driven by 60% rises in vegetables and food. Weather channel claims spring arrives 20 days early and then freeze blankets S.E USA. Polar Vortex is set to roll over North America in coming week and Alaska -40C.

[space otter]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/antarctica-sees-record-heat-as-scientists-worry-about-rising-seas_us_58b6d5bce4b0780bac2ee87b?

03/01/2017 09:12 am ET
Antarctica Sees Record Heat As Scientists Worry About Rising Seas
Huh, it's almost like the climate is changing.

OSLO, March 1 (Reuters) - An Argentine research base near the northern tip of the Antarctic peninsula has set a heat record at a balmy 17.5 degrees Celsius (63.5° Fahrenheit), the U.N. weather agency said on Wednesday.

The Experanza base set the high on March 24, 2015, the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) said after reviewing data around Antarctica to set benchmarks to help track future global warming and natural variations.

"Verification of maximum and minimum temperatures help us to build up a picture of the weather and climate in one of Earth's final frontiers," said Michael Sparrow, a polar expert with the WMO co-sponsored World Climate Research Programme.

Antarctica locks up 90 percent of the world's fresh water as ice and would raise sea levels by about 60 meters (200 ft) if it were all to melt, meaning scientists are concerned to know even about extremes around the fringes.

The heat record for the broader Antarctic region, defined as anywhere south of 60 degrees latitude, was 19.8°C (67.6°F) on Jan. 30, 1982 on Signy Island in the South Atlantic, it said.

And the warmest temperature recorded on the Antarctic plateau, above 2,500 meters (8,202 feet), was -7.0°C (19.4°F) on Dec. 28, 1980, it said.

Wednesday's WMO report only examined the highs.

The lowest temperature set anywhere on the planet was a numbing -89.2°C (-128.6°F) at the Soviet Union's Vostok station in central Antarctica on July 21, 1983.

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http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

2017 ushers in record low extent
February 7, 2017

Record low daily Arctic ice extents continued through most of January 2017, a pattern that started last October. Extent during late January remained low in the Kara, Barents and Bering Seas. Southern Hemisphere extent also tracked at record low levels for January; globally, sea ice cover remains at record low levels.


Overview of conditions

Figure 1. Arctic sea ice extent for January 2017 was 13.38 million square kilometers (5.17 million square miles). The magenta line shows the 1981 to 2010 median extent for that month. Sea Ice Index data. About the data

Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center
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Arctic sea ice extent for January 2017 averaged 13.38 million square kilometers (5.17 million square miles), the lowest January extent in the 38-year satellite record. This is 260,000 square kilometers (100,000 square miles) below January 2016, the previous lowest January extent, and 1.26 million square kilometers (487,000 square miles) below the January 1981 to 2010 long-term average.

Ice growth stalled during the second week of the month, and the ice edge retreated within the Kara and Barents Seas, and within the Sea of Okhotsk. After January 16, extent increased at a more rapid pace, but the rate of ice growth was still below average for January as a whole. For a few days towards the end of the month, the extent was slightly greater than recorded in 2006, a year which also saw many record low days in January, but by the 30th it was tracking below 2006. Through most of January the ice edge remained north of the Svalbard Archipelago, largely due to the inflow of warm Atlantic water along the western part of the archipelago. However, by the end of January, some ice was found to the northeast and northwest of Svalbard. At the end of January, ice extent remained well below average within the Kara, Barents, and Bering Seas.

Conditions in context


Figure 2a. The graph above shows Arctic sea ice extent as of February 5, 2017, along with daily ice extent data for four previous years. 2016 to 2017 is shown in blue, 2015 to 2016 in green, 2014 to 2015 in orange, 2013 to 2014 in brown, and 2012 to 2013 in purple. The 1981 to 2010 average is in dark gray. The gray areas around the median line show the interquartile and interdecile ranges of the data. Sea Ice Index data.

Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center
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Figure 2b. The plot shows Arctic air temperature difference from average, in degrees Celsius, for January 2017.

Credit: NSIDC courtesy NOAA/ESRL Physical Sciences Division
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January air temperatures at the 925 hPa level (approximately 2,500 feet above sea level) were above average over nearly all of the Arctic Ocean, continuing the pattern that started last autumn (Figure 2b). Air temperatures were more than 5 degrees Celsius (9 degrees Fahrenheit) above the 1981 to 2010 average over the northern Barents Sea and as much as 4 degrees Celsius (7 degrees Fahrenheit) above average in the northern Chukchi and East Siberian Seas. It was also unusually warm over northwestern Canada. Cooler than average conditions (up to 3 degrees Celsius, or 5 degrees Fahrenheit below average) prevailed over the northwest part of Russia and the northeast coast of Greenland.

Atmospheric circulation over the Arctic during the first three weeks of January was characterized by a broad area of below average sea level pressure extending over almost the entire Arctic Ocean. Higher-than-average sea level pressure dominated over the Gulf of Alaska and the North Atlantic Ocean south of Iceland. This set up warm southerly winds from both the northern North Atlantic and the Bering Strait areas, helping to explain the high January air temperatures over the Arctic Ocean. According to the analysis of NASA scientist Richard Cullather, the winter of 2015 to 2016 was the warmest ever recorded in the Arctic in the satellite data record. Whether the winter of 2016 to 2017 will end up warmer remains to be seen; conditions are typically highly variable. For example, during the last week of January, the area of low pressure shifted towards the Siberian side of the Arctic. In the northern Laptev Sea, pressures fell to more than 20 hPa below the 1981 to 2010 average. This was associated with a shift towards cooler conditions over the Arctic Ocean, which may explain why ice extent towards the end of the month rose above levels recorded in 2006.

January 2017 compared to previous years


Figure 3. Monthly January ice extent for 1979 to 2017 shows a decline of 3.2 percent per decade.

Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center
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Through 2017, the linear rate of decline for January is 47,400 square kilometers (18,300 square miles) per year, or 3.2 percent per decade.

Amundsen Sea nearly free of ice

[space otter]

GOP Wants NASA To Stop Worrying About Earth And Focus On Space
There are talks of "rebalancing" the agency's mission as it continues to tweet about climate change.
By Mary Papenfuss
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NASA continues to steadfastly tweet urgent climate change information despite GOP efforts to force the agency to stick to space and forget the Earth.

The Trump administration aims to largely restrict NASA's focus to its space missions and have it abandon climate change research, which is a part of its Earth Sciences Division. The division, which accounts for just $2 billion of NASA's $20 billion budget, also includes gathering weather information, which the Republicans don't want to drop.

At a House Science, Space and Technology Committee hearing last Thursday, Chairman Lamar Smith (R-Texas) said he wants a "rebalancing" of NASA's mission to allow other agencies to take over its climate change research. But it's unclear which agencies could pick up the slack.

The new head of the Environmental Protection Agency, climate-change skeptic Scott Pruitt, has vowed to cut the EPA's budget and staff in the wake of Trump's campaign promise to "get rid" of the agency, The New York Times noted. The EPA has also been under orders from the Trump administration to refrain from tweeting anything about climate change.

Meanwhile, NASA posts daily climate change updates on @NASAclimate and Facebook, with frequent warnings about rapid global changes.


https://twitter.com/NASA/status/832027677167071237/photo/1NASA ? @NASA
Monthly @NASAGISS temp update shows January 2017 was the 3rd warmest January in 137 years of modern record-keeping: http://go.nasa.gov/2krCi2S
7:43 PM - 15 Feb 2017
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NASA Climate ? @NASAClimate
"I want to put images right in front of people that show that #globalwarming is, in fact, happening." —@thaw2017 https://climate.nasa.gov/blog/2552/science-on-canvas-photographs-capture-thawing-greenland/ ...
1:44 PM - 16 Feb 2017


Yale Environment 360 ? @YaleE360
Humans are changing the climate 170 times faster than natural forces, according to a new study http://e360.yale.edu/digest/scientists-find-equation-to-demonstrate-impact-of-human-activity-on-climate-change ...
12:19 PM - 13 Feb 2017

*sorry pics aren't moving

Despite NASA's own calls for more knowledge and action on climate change, Smith wants "more funds to go into space exploration," he told E&E News. "I'd like for us to remember what our priorities are, and there are another dozen agencies that study earth science and climate change. We only have one agency that engages in space exploration, and they need every dollar they can muster for space exploration."

The move is viewed as yet another way to starve funds from research on climate change, which President Donald Trump, during his campaign, called a "Chinese hoax" invented to hurt U.S. manufacturing.

Fearful of a crackdown on NASA and other agencies, scientists and techies have been busily downloading all available research information from federal databases through groups like DataRefuge and The Environmental Data and Governance Initiative, Wired reported. The gag order against EPA and other federal agencies has also given birth to a large family of "underground" alternative Twitter sites, many with information about climate change.



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03/03/2017 09:09 pm ET
White House Targets Climate Change Programs In Proposed EPA Cuts
One climate protection program would have its budget cut by 70%.

Timothy Gardner and Valerie Volcovici

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House is proposing to slash a quarter of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's budget, targeting climate-change programs and those designed to prevent air and water pollution like lead contamination, a source with direct knowledge of the proposal said on Thursday.

President Donald Trump has long signaled his intention to reverse former Democratic President Barack Obama's climate-change initiatives. But the Republican president has vowed his planned overhaul of green regulation would not jeopardize America's water and air quality.

The 23-page 2018 budget proposal, which aims to slice the environmental regulator's overall budget by 25 percent to $6.1 billion and staffing by 20 percent to 12,400 as part of a broader effort to fund increased military spending, would cut deeply into programs like climate protection, environmental justice and enforcement.

Politico and other news outlets reported the staff and overall budget cuts earlier, but the source disclosed new details on the impact the cuts would have on programs and grants to states.

Environmentalists slammed the proposed cuts, which must be approved by the Republican-led Congress.

The agency did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the budget proposal or its counter proposal. The White House said it had no comment.

Under the proposal, which was sent to the EPA this week, grants to states for lead cleanup would be cut 30 percent to $9.8 million, according to the source, who read the document to Reuters.

Grants to help Native American tribes combat pollution would be cut 30 percent to $45.8 million. An EPA climate protection program on cutting emissions of greenhouse gases like methane that contribute to global warming would be cut 70 percent to $29 million.

The proposal would cut funding for the brownfields industrial site cleanup program by 42 percent to $14.7 million. It would also reduce funding for enforcing pollution laws by 11 percent to $153 million.

The budget did not cut state revolving funds for programs, that Congress tapped last year to provide aid to Flint, Michigan, for its lead pollution crisis.

All staff at a research program, called Global Change Research, as well as 37 other programs would be cut under the plan.

CONGRESSIONAL HURDLES

Some of the cuts are unlikely to pass the Republican-led Congress as they are popular with both Democrats and Republicans. Congress would be unlikely to approve a proposal to cut all staff in a diesel emissions program, for example.

Scott Pruitt, the new head of the EPA, told U.S. mayors on Thursday he would make a priority of cleanups of industrial and hazardous waste sites and improving water infrastructure, even as the White House proposed severe proposed cuts to those programs.

"In this budget discussion that is ongoing with Congress that is just starting, there are some concerns about some of these grant programs that EPA has been a part of historically," Pruitt said.

"I want you to know that with the White House and also with Congress, I am communicating a message that the brownfields program, the Superfund program and the water infrastructure grants and state revolving funds are essential to protect," he said.

Greenpeace spokesman Travis Nichols said: "As a candidate, Trump made a big deal out of EPA's failure in Flint, but now he's cutting 30 percent out of lead cleanup in his proposed budget. This is an example of his empty promises to do right by the American people."

Officers of the Environmental Council of the States, composed of local regulators, raised concerns to the White House and EPA about the budget process, which they said lacked input by directly affected states.

ECOS officers will meet with the environment team of the Office and Management and Budget, a White House office, on Friday and have slated a teleconference with Pruitt in March.

ECOS head Alexandra Dapolito Dunn said states had been hopeful after Pruitt's confirmation hearing that they would get resources to do their work. "Now they are feeling very vulnerable," she said.


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http://mentalfloss.com/article/72157/melting-glaciers-italy-reveal-shocking-surprise-century-old-corpses

Melting Glaciers in Italy Reveal a Shocking Surprise: Century-Old Corpses

During World War I, elite Italian soldiers who were trained to fight in freezing climates climbed high up into the Alps to battle enemies from Austria and Germany. The three-year war they waged, at elevations topping 6500 feet, is often referred to as the White War. Now, 100 years later, that snow and ice is slowly melting—and what lies beneath is like something straight out of a horror movie: The century-old corpses of both Austrian and Italian soldiers, perfectly preserved.

The great thaw seems to have started in 2004, when three Austrian Hapsburg soldiers revealed themselves. Nearly every summer since, the melting ice has given way to a handful of corpses—more than 80 so far. There are certainly plenty more to find: Roughly 150,000 men died on the Alpine front, and not all in battle. In fact, the elements were more cruel to the soldiers than the fighting was, with more than two-thirds dying due to avalanches, frostbite, and illness.

Bodies aren't the only things hiding under the ice. Incredibly complex tunnels and garrisons were built right into the glaciers and snow; as it all melts, other wartime relics have slowly appeared. Archaeologists have discovered photos of soldiers' families, letters and diaries, decks of cards, even food that has been preserved in the cold for all of these years. But, in addition to battling the natural process of decay, archaeologists have another challenge: getting to the remains and artifacts before looters unearth and sell them, either for scrap metal in the case of artillery, or online when the items seem collectible.

Despite the incredible preservation, it's nearly impossible to identify the soldiers. Even so, the fallen men receive respectful military funerals once they've been excavated and sometimes studied by archaeologists. In 2013, more than 500 people turned out to honor two soldiers who had died during the Battle of Presena in May 1918.

Editor's note: This story has been updated.

[ArMaP]

Record snows blanket Iceland, inflation up 8.8% in EU driven by 60% rises in vegetables and food.

One more case of throwing information at the reader without any sources... 

Here, in this EU country (Portugal), I haven't seen any rise in the price of vegetables.

[micjer]

The latter part of this video is very interesting as it shows how high sea levels could possibly reach if the ice pack melts in Antarctica.  1 or 2 degrees difference in temp could make a huge change.  It has happened before so who knows.

[Phedre]

I do not wish to change minds(Impossible), but only offer some suggestions, for your consideration. 



I have been under the impression for some years that Antarctica has been in ice Making Mode and the Arctic was melting. Which it is but, I am not aware of any "beach front" property in Idaho as yet?  So where is that Melt going?

The idea that we want to be rid of Co2 is deadly wrong. Quote: "Carbon dioxide, on the other hand, is a naturally occurring gas that existed in the atmosphere long before humans. Plants need it to survive. The CO2 greenhouse effect keeps our climate from freezing over. How can CO2 be considered a pollutant?"  *  We need the plants and animals that eat them to survive, or Humans don't survive.  Too many people jump on the "panic wagon" without any knowledge of what little we do Know for a fact!

All you here know that NASA lies like a rug on many fronts, they are busy airbrushing things out of existence on the Moon and Mars. Why would they be considered "Trust Worthy" for much of any thing? I ask you for a practical answer, solution, to the fearsome Crap they put out, when basically the want your money and your allegiance.

As far as new holes,  new lakes, lakes disappearing, volcanic eruptions and etc, etc. The Earth plates are always in "movement"  it is called the "Continental Drift" or the new term(1950s) "Plate Tectonics" . If you have ever looked at an "Ancient Map " of the Continents they are certainly Not in the same place as we see them now. Nor do I believe that Map Makers of those times where such rotten "Map Makers".

Speaking of Movement, we are here on spaceship Earth, hurtling through space around our sun in this star system. We are all travelers and explorers, whether aware of it or not. 

So let's get off this Planet and Do some really exciting Explorering!

Sources

What Is Plate Tectonics?
http://www.livescience.com/37706-what-is-plate-tectonics.html

Is CO2 a pollutant?
https://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-pollutant.htm

[ArMaP]

I have been under the impression for some years that Antarctica has been in ice Making Mode and the Arctic was melting. Which it is but, I am not aware of any "beach front" property in Idaho as yet?  So where is that Melt going?

When ice floating on water melts there's no change in the volume of the water, as the water was already there, in ice form.

When ice on land melts then it flows until it eventually reaches the ocean (or some closed system, like a lake), and as that water was not there then the water level rises.

The idea that we want to be rid of Co2 is deadly wrong.

I have never seen anyone saying that we should get rid of CO2.

All you here know that NASA lies like a rug on many fronts, they are busy airbrushing things out of existence on the Moon and Mars.

That's debatable, as I have never seen any real sign of image tampering in the science side of NASA.

Why would they be considered "Trust Worthy" for much of any thing? I ask you for a practical answer, solution, to the fearsome Crap they put out, when basically the want your money and your allegiance.

NASA is not the only source of data.

If you have ever looked at an "Ancient Map " of the Continents they are certainly Not in the same place as we see them now. Nor do I believe that Map Makers of those times where such rotten "Map Makers".

What do you mean by "ancient maps"? Plate movement is very slow, so slow that it hasn't changed even the oldest maps, any differences to modern maps are a result of the data they had and how they got it.

[Phedre]

Very Slow in most areas of the World, But in a few areas, we can almost watch the movement.At the top of the article you can see some of the configurations, that more than likely have taken place. There are "ancient maps"  out there, but I don't like posting too much stuff of "no interest" 


Quote:

"What do you mean by "ancient maps"? Plate movement is very slow, so slow that it hasn't changed even the oldest maps, any differences to modern maps are a result of the data they had and how they got it."


Continental Drift

From last part of Article

Today, we know that the continents rest on massiveslabs of rock called tectonic plates. The plates are always moving and interacting in a process called plate tectonics. 

 

The continents are still moving today. Some of the most dynamic sites of tectonic activity are seafloor spreading zones and giant rift valleys. 

 

In the process of seafloor spreading, molten rock rises from within the Earth and adds new seafloor (oceanic crust) to the edges of the old. Seafloor spreading is most dynamic along giant underwater mountain ranges known as mid-ocean ridges. As the seafloor grows wider, the continents on opposite sides of the ridge move away from each other. The North American and Eurasian tectonic plates, for example, are separated by the Mid-Atlantic Ridge. The two continents are moving away from each other at the rate of about 2.5 centimeters (1 inch) per year. 

 

Rift valleys are sites where a continental landmass is ripping itself apart. Africa, for example, will eventually split along the Great Rift Valley system. What is now a single continent will emerge as two—one on the African plate and the other on the smaller Somali plate. The new Somali continent will be mostly oceanic, with the Horn of Africa and Madagascar its largest landmasses.

 

The processes of seafloor spreading, rift valley formation, and subduction (where heavier tectonic plates sink beneath lighter ones) were not well-established until the 1960s. These processes were the main geologic forces behind what Wegener recognized as continental drift.

http://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/continental-drift/

[ArMaP]

Very Slow in most areas of the World, But in a few areas, we can almost watch the movement.

That doesn't mean that the faster moving plates move so fast as to make a difference of tens of kilometres, enough to appear in any map.

At the top of the article you can see some of the configurations, that more than likely have taken place.

I studied geology at school (only one year), I'm familiar with all that.

There are "ancient maps"  out there, but I don't like posting too much stuff of "no interest" 

Then why speak of them?