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[astr0144]

Another thing in ref to Alex Jones from my point of view and I assume others who have followed him over some years..  is that things vary on and off and memories can change...or become faded or confused....
or we recall seeing some facts that get discussed at various times... that we may then get our facts rather mixed up..

and maybe cannot really recall exactly what was said or we recall some various versions of things that may had altered over time..

In my earlier days on obverving Jones and when I become member on PRC...  I used to think that many members on here had similar views and were followers of people like Jones...Especially like Zorgon who was our main leader... that if he maybe seemed to agree that maybe others suported his views...(Although often "Z" would make other suggestions to AJs views..)

But as we get older wiser etc... we may observe such things are not always that way..or we have misjudged. or views may change.. or we may alter and then at sometime revert back again...

As I had at one time followed Jones a Lot over at least 2 years at one time on a regular basis..
I also had some of my views based on certain things that I had studied and maybe been led to believe..
So often Jones views seemed to go along with the others things that I had studied..

so maybe thats why I took a fair amount of notice from his views..

He certainly appeared to me as if he had studied certain things in immense detail.. and had a very wide knowledge in certain areas.. at least more than any one I was aware off when I was younger..

He also seemed to at one time often referring to many suggested False flags that were occurring around the World at one stage..when many terror type situations seemed to be occurring...

Then he went on a lot about the Clintons... and his claims of many of their negitive sides.. as well as about Obama.

Now When Trump got elected... Many of the things Jones talked about.... Donald Trump also referred to them.

So for me... I saw Trump maybe to be more trust worthy... and I believed that he was to do things better than the democrats ....in which in many I believe that to have been so.. at least upto Covid 19..

So thats some reasons why I do value Jones opinions..
Proving certain things... are not always possible.and I used to assume some of his guests were trusted experts...but no doubt some have proven unworthy..although at times they may had believed genuinely that they were right..


NO Jones never said HOW and When Bin Larden would be killed...What makes you ask me that ?
As far as I know I never refered to that at all...

I just said that from what I recall on one or some of his videos... he claimed that past things had been suggested from various sources that he believed in.. had suggested that Bin Larden had been killed on at least 3 prior occasions..

HOWEVER ... I MAY had also thought or related to maybe another statement that Bin Larden had been captured on more than one occasion... and some how mixed that up with him also having died on on those occasions..

As far as I recall Bin Larden did not get captured more than once.. at least in terms of what the public were made to believe..

On a quick search I can find some articles that refer to some other past dates..

but I cannot find any of the main media articles referring to it..in such a way it would had become major news..say for eg if he was claimed to ha died back in 2001 or 2002.. which some articles have suggested..
one article suggested its occurred on 9 occasions..if one could believe that ..

Not likely to be a very trusted source.. but it does make some ref to Bin Larden being killed more than one occasion.
that was suggested as May 2011....but if I recall they never showed his body to prove it...and told some very weird story that I could not believe and thats why I would believe Jones view more..and COULD never trust what the seal team told us.. that seemed utter BS...

Alex Jones: Killing of bin Laden Claimed Nine Separate Times

https://goldenageofgaia.com/2011/05/04/alex-jones-claims-of-killing-bin-laden-nine-separate-times/


Top US Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag
https://www.prisonplanet.com/top-us-government-insider-bin-laden-died-in-2001-911-a-false-flag.html

This guy ..Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik was on Jones show a lot at one time.. who I used to think could be trusted..
that I thought may had also been ex CIA... (Not that we can trust them too easily)

but Jones got a lot of such people who he claimed spilled the real stories..behind the scenes..
Theydid appear to be very intellegent...and maybe thats why I may have tended to consider them worthy sources at that time...but my views could now be more wary of such people..as often I do think its hard to judge what to believe.

Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job

This article make a ref to Bin Larden having died in 2002 from Jones...


so we now have at least 3 date referred to.... one for 2001.. another 2002, and the main one we are most recent led to believe in 2011.

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_binladen15.htm

Alex Jones was told live on the radio in 2002 by high-level Council on Foreign Relations members that Osama Bin Laden had died of kidney failure in early 2002.

How can that be a reason to believe him? Did he say how and when Bin Ladden would be killed?
That's no reason to believe him.
"Claims" that are never proved are just that, so why should we believe some guy that claims many things he can't prove?

I don't.
I tend to believe people that:
- are talking about things they are supposed to know;
- are proved to be right in previous occasions when talking about that subject;
- they are not talking about other people, specially people with whom they are not connected;
- they say things that can be verified as true, in which they base their opinions, and they present their opinions as being opinions instead of presenting them as facts.

[ArMaP]

The things Alex Jones says can (apparently) be found on any conspiracy theory site.

Using people that talk as if they are specialists means nothing if they do not really have the qualifications, but they convince many people. It's like on the adverts on TV, when some woman appears on screen along with the text "(some name), laundry specialist", but on the footer, on very small letters, it says "contracted actor" or something like that.

[astr0144]

Maybe so or not ArMaP..

Its always hard to know what to believe may be truth.

Now we have the race riots occuring in the USA in ref to the death of George Floyd at the hands of police, which devolved into looting, violence, and mayhem....so Lock down in certain places has come to a halt.

This is a copy of related  articles just posted on A.Js infowars..

European Union Begs President Trump To Reconsider Decision To Cut Ties With W.H.O.
So why doesn't EU fork over $400 million annually to fund their precious globalist institution?
Infowars.com - May 30, 2020 15 Reacties
European Union Begs President Trump To Reconsider Decision To Cut Ties With W.H.O.   

Image Credits: Thierry Monasse/picture alliance via Getty Images.

The European Union (EU) is asking the Trump administration to reconsider its decision to end America's relationship with the World Health Organization (WHO).

In a statement released Saturday, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen and top EU official Josep Borrell stressed that the WHO must "lead the international response to pandemics," but to do that WHO must receive U.S. funding.

"Global cooperation and solidarity through multilateral efforts are the only effective and viable avenues to win this battle the world is facing," von der Leyen wrote.

"The WHO needs to continue being able to lead the international response to pandemics, current and future. For this, the participation and support of all is required and very much needed."

Von der Leyen added that America should "avoid" actions that "weaken" the global body.

"In the face of this global threat, now is the time for enhanced cooperation and common solutions. Actions that weaken international results must be avoided," von der Leyen wrote.

"In this context, we urge the US to reconsider its announced decision."

Trump announced Friday that the U.S. is "terminating" its relationship with the WHO over its poor response to the coronavirus and its unusually close relationship with China.

"China has total control over the World Health Organization," said Trump Friday. "Today we will be terminating our relationship with the WHO and redirecting those funds to other worldwide and deserving urgent global public health needs."

"China's coverup of the Wuhan virus allowed the disease to spread all over the world. Chinese officials ignored their reporting obligations to the WHO and pressured the WHO to mislead the world when the virus was first discovered by Chinese authorities," Trump added.

https://www.infowars.com/european-union-begs-president-trump-to-reconsider-decision-to-cut-ties-with-w-h-o/


Why Does Bill Gates Want To Block Out The Sun?
The elite have a deep understanding of the Sun's life-sustaining powers

Why does billionaire globalist Bill Gates, and the foundation he runs with his wife Melinda, invest time and money in blocking out the light coming to earth from our sun?

https://www.infowars.com/why-does-bill-gates-want-to-block-out-the-sun/

The video did not seem to work when I tried it.. so we may have to see if A.J rectifies it to find out what its about.

On looking on Firefox browser the video appears on the website, but on google chrome it does not show the video when I just checked ... so maybe hes ammending the issues..

The things Alex Jones says can (apparently) be found on any conspiracy theory site.

Using people that talk as if they are specialists means nothing if they do not really have the qualifications, but they convince many people. It's like on the adverts on TV, when some woman appears on screen along with the text "(some name), laundry specialist", but on the footer, on very small letters, it says "contracted actor" or something like that.

[spacemaverick]

Just some thoughtsastro0144

Impeachment replaced by COVID-19, then replaced by riots whose actions of one idiot (notice I said 1) cop ignited riots.  Now the Mayor of St. Paul saying those arrested are from outside the area.  Orchestration much?  Just my opinion of course.

[astr0144]

I think that I know what you mean Spacemav, but maybe not totally sure what you mean by Orchestration.!

would that mean another created distraction maybe in ref to Trumps Impeachment issue...

My opinion on that at stage in ref to this event would be Id be surprised if its some sort diliberate distraction... but it could be a possibility if thats what you are referring to..or like a further false flag...set up

orchestration
    the planning or coordination of the elements of a situation to produce a desired effect, especially surreptitiously.

surreptitiously
    in a way that attempts to avoid notice or attention; secretively.

would that suggest something done deliberate to create or distract... rather than just a poor judgement on the Policemans behalf.

In terms of the Cop issue... and what occurred from that...

On looking at the news incident of it... it appears the policeman involved held the man down with excessive force on his head or neck that may had cut his circulation off...

I do not think for one Minute things are ever easy for Police when they have to restrain people and one can understand how such things can happen at the heat of the moment.

But also in ref to George Floyde and his family if he was innocent it has been most unfortunate...
I thought on the news it was showing riots having since starting to occur in various places around the USA.. not just where the incident took place..

Just some thoughtsastro0144

Impeachment replaced by COVID-19, then replaced by riots whose actions of one idiot (notice I said 1) cop ignited riots.  Now the Mayor of St. Paul saying those arrested are from outside the area.  Orchestration much?  Just my opinion of course.

[ArMaP]

Its always hard to know what to believe may be truth.

Only if you don't look for the sources of information, as that makes things easier.

This is a copy of related  articles just posted on A.Js infowars..

And a good example of how easy it is to make things look different from the truth.

Here you have the original statement from the EU commission. In it (like in the excerpts used on Alex Jones' article) you can see that do not talk about money, so Alex Jones' conclusion that to be able to lead the international response to pandemics the "WHO must receive U.S. funding" is not there.
You can also see something that the AJ's article omits, that all WHO members decided on an "impartial, independent and comprehensive evaluation" of the response to this pandemic, so it means the US also agreed to that, but now, before that evaluation starts, they want to leave the WHO.
Also, although the US gives more money that other countries, nobody is forcing them to do it, as the donations are voluntary, so the US could just give less money.

Why does billionaire globalist Bill Gates, and the foundation he runs with his wife Melinda, invest time and money in blocking out the light coming to earth from our sun?

Another misleading statement, and even more so in the video, when they ask "Why does Bill Gates and his foundation want to control the weather?"
According to the images the video shows, Bill Gates (and not his foundation) is one of several entities that gave money to experiments to see how effective geoengineering could be. The experiment they talk about in the video was to see how the particles spread in the stratosphere would disperse, to see if that could be used in geoengineering.

The video did not seem to work when I tried it.. so we may have to see if A.J rectifies it to find out what its about.

It worked for me on my main browser, Opera.

[ArMaP]

I think that I know what you mean Spacemav, but maybe not totally sure what you mean by Orchestration.!

would that suggest some done deliberate to create or distract... rather than just a poor judgement on the Policemans behalf.

I may be wrong, but I think that what spacemaverick means is how this event was used by the media, not the event in itself.

[spacemaverick]

I think that I know what you mean Spacemav, but maybe not totally sure what you mean by Orchestration.!

would that mean another created distraction maybe in ref to Trumps Impeachment issue...

My opinion on that at stage in ref to this event would be Id be surprised if its some sort diliberate distraction... but it could be a possibility if thats what you are referring to..or like a further false flag...set up


would that suggest some done deliberate to create or distract... rather than just a poor judgement on the Policemans behalf.

In terms of the Cop issue... and what occurred from that...

On looking at the news incident of it... it appears the policeman involved held the man down with excessive force on his head or neck that may had cut his circulation off...

I do not think for one Minute things are ever easy for Police when they have to restrain people and one can understand how such things can happen at the heat of the moment.

But also in ref to George Floyde and his family if he was innocent it has been most unfortunate...
I thought on the news it was showing riots having since starting to occur in various places around the USA.. not just where the incident took place..

Having been in law enforcement myself, the gentleman was already handcuffed with more officers present.  He should have been placed ina car with a cage in it and that was all.  Many of my colleagues have said the same thing.  What he did he should have been stopped by one of the officers on the scene even though he was most senior.  Most senior becomes the incident command officer nad makes him in charge of the scene.  This kind of training come under National Incident Command Training.  Once the suspect is subdued and under control, all further force is not needed.  Even though he was senior that does not excuse the other others for failure to act.  This will go all the way back to when he was trained and all subsequent training.  This is the normal investigation procedure internally as well as for criminal and civil.  Of course, there is the thin blue line that some will not cross because of the culture, but that is no excuse for breaking the law, policy, and procedure.

[spacemaverick]

I may be wrong, but I think that what spacemaverick means is how this event was used by the media, not the event in itself.

Used by the media itself...yes...sorry about that...I should have been more clear.

[spacemaverick]

Nationally with the various riots, I believe them to be orchestrated by an organization but have no proof as of yet.

[astr0144]

There was a mention on the news that the Policeman who restrained the man, had been done on quite a few other occasions for over use of force...

I understand that other officers maybe should have challenged him... but during the moments of the 7 minutes..
under the event / stress of it all... things just got overlooked or maybe other officers had some fear in relation to
the Cop if he was senior to them...thats it may had been hard for them to challenge him at te heat of the moment.

It may have also been an over reaction.... as sometimes I imaginge trying to restrain certain people can vary as to how
hard one will act upon a suspect.. especially if the person being restrained seems more agressive or stronger than average.. I think thats where judgements vary on individuals own strengths or weaknesses in how well that they may do things....

but yes no doubt questions will be asked and the incident will be scrutinised in detail.

Nationally with the various riots, I believe them to be orchestrated by an organization but have no proof as of yet.

Having been in law enforcement myself, the gentleman was already handcuffed with more officers present.  He should have been placed ina car with a cage in it and that was all.  Many of my colleagues have said the same thing.  What he did he should have been stopped by one of the officers on the scene even though he was most senior.  Most senior becomes the incident command officer nad makes him in charge of the scene.  This kind of training come under National Incident Command Training.  Once the suspect is subdued and under control, all further force is not needed.  Even though he was senior that does not excuse the other others for failure to act.  This will go all the way back to when he was trained and all subsequent training.  This is the normal investigation procedure internally as well as for criminal and civil.  Of course, there is the thin blue line that some will not cross because of the culture, but that is no excuse for breaking the law, policy, and procedure.

I am not really sure wht you both mean in relation to the event being used by the media...

in what way do you mean this ?... do you mean the media has since heightened the issue that led to the after events from the public... or as a means of further distractions to other issues...be it Trump  or CV19  related  or something else ?

Used by the media itself...yes...sorry about that...I should have been more clear.

ArMaP

I may be wrong, but I think that what spacemaverick means is how this event was used by the media, not the event in itself.

[astr0144]

I have not really studied what has been said or watched the video as yet..

I was just thinking that Maybe Trump was showing some concerns over the W.H.O as suggested by A.J in a previous
video ... in which he claims that Bill Gates had been connected to the W.H.O...and that maybe Trump was opposing it if he does have issues with Bill Gates agendas as was suggested by A.J on one of his recent videos...

that was what I initially thought he was trying to indicate that maybe Trump was showing some further resistance to the WHO.  I have not checked the finer details...

In ref to Bill Gates ref to control the Weather ... thats new to me.. and if he is involved I will have to now try to gain more understanding what that may involve..

but messing about with the weather other than HARRP may seem rather concerning...

why would they need to do this ? I wonder... what are their suggested reasons ? and I wonder how others who oppose it may view it....if it is seen as a concern if aimed to alter the conditions somehow.. without long term data to back up what may happen if they attempt to alter things in the atmosphere that could alter the weather...etc..

I may try your Opera browser,  I have been looking for an alternative ! 

Only if you don't look for the sources of information, as that makes things easier.
And a good example of how easy it is to make things look different from the truth.

Here you have the original statement from the EU commission. In it (like in the excerpts used on Alex Jones' article) you can see that do not talk about money, so Alex Jones' conclusion that to be able to lead the international response to pandemics the "WHO must receive U.S. funding" is not there.
You can also see something that the AJ's article omits, that all WHO members decided on an "impartial, independent and comprehensive evaluation" of the response to this pandemic, so it means the US also agreed to that, but now, before that evaluation starts, they want to leave the WHO.
Also, although the US gives more money that other countries, nobody is forcing them to do it, as the donations are voluntary, so the US could just give less money.


Another misleading statement, and even more so in the video, when they ask "Why does Bill Gates and his foundation want to control the weather?"
According to the images the video shows, Bill Gates (and not his foundation) is one of several entities that gave money to experiments to see how effective geoengineering could be. The experiment they talk about in the video was to see how the particles spread in the stratosphere would disperse, to see if that could be used in geoengineering.


It worked for me on my main browser, Opera.

[spacemaverick]

I guess I'm confusing you all, sorry.

[spacemaverick]

Okay, here is what I was trying to say.  When we have had riots in various cities in the past, there was found to be an organization behind it.  I am saying the same thing here.  I have no positive proof.  This is just my opinion.  However, when a St. Paul Mayor says people arrested are from out of town, I say there is something to it.  There are other mayors now saying the same thing.  When we had the Trump inauguration, we encountered the same thing and there was proof that ANTIFA was involved.  Not saying that here though.  I am guessing that the Democratic Socialists of America may be involved.  I hear of snippets of information regarding the DSA in this case. (Just my opinion)

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

I agree with you 1000%. This is organized warfare, instigated by the far left. DemoRATS leaders are bailing out these criminals and that's all you need to know. They are not peaceful protesters, but organized thugs.