Q anon.....

[micjer]

I am not sure how many are buying this whole Q thing, but I would like to point something.


Assuming it is for real, it will go down as truly amazing.  If not it will be the biggest conspiracy theory bust on record.


Assuming it is for real, the information that is "leaking" out to the masses would not ever have gotten there any other way.  The MSM would not have printed the information, and the element of surprise would have been wasted.

The way I see it there are 3 parts to this.

First you have an white house insider (Q) leaking information in the form of symbols and clues.

Second you have POTUS verifying the clues,

Thirdly you have someone like the guy putting the above videos together assembling all of the clues together to make it make sense.  Who is that guy btw.  We never see his face, just hear his voice.




Anyways we will know in the next 2 weeks if this is all smoke or not because according to this information, the Hospital ships Comfort and Mercy, are being put in to docks in NY and LA.

The last time Comfort was used, was when it was off of Haiti, and transported 400 individuals to Guantamano Bay Cuba. hmmmmm

[ArMaP]

Anyways we will know in the next 2 weeks if this is all smoke or not because according to this information, the Hospital ships Comfort and Mercy, are being put in to docks in NY and LA.

You don't have to wait.

USNS Comfort Arrives in NYC Monday to Help Hospital With Non-Coronavirus Patients

[fansongecho]

Thanks ArMap 

@micjer, yes I am watching X-22 reports some of the items he discusses I totally buy into but there are some reasoning elements I can't get my head around with the logical links he makes, could be I don't have the capacity but I am watching his reports with renewed interest buddy. Do you follow the preying medic posts on YT and his deconstruction of the Q posts??

Cheers,
F

[micjer]

Interesting to me that the hospital ships are for non-coronavirus patients.




yes

[micjer]

While reporting real news gets Trish Regan fired from Fox Business Channel the Fake News is allowed to flourish freely as always

[micjer]

Here is a little more wood to throw on the fire.....

Have you ever heard of Saint Malachy?

The Prophecy of the Popes (Latin: Prophetia Sancti Malachiae Archiepiscopi, de Summis Pontificibus) is a series of112 short, cryptic phrases in Latin which purport to predict the Roman Catholic popes (along with a few antipopes), beginning with Pope Celestine II. It was first published by Benedictine monk Arnold Wion in 1595. Wion attributes the prophecy to Saint Malachy, a 12th-century Archbishop of Armagh, Ireland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes


An Irish saint's eerie prophecy that Pope Francis will be the last Pontiff

https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/st-malachy-prophecy-pope-fran

The prophecies of the Irish Saint Malachy, the 12th-century bishop of Armagh, have thrilled and dismayed readers for centuries. He has stated there would be only one more pope after Benedict, and during his reign comes the end of the world. So Francis could be the last.

This video is from a couple years back

[fansongecho]

@micjer, I followed the Art Bell and Malachi Martin interviews from way back, before he was killed he talked and published books on the Catholic takeover by the dark forces of evil and if you do research into symbolism within the Vatican it takes you down yet another rabbit hole -

I guess you will have heard these before but it might be worth another listen, the books that Malachi wrote also stirred up a hornet's nest of those in the church who of course wanted to discredit him. 

Its well documented that the Catholic Church has paid out millions to those families of the abused over the last 60-70 years, I don't doubt at all that ALL of the Popes have known about the widespread abuse and cover up's.

F' 

The Art Bell and Father Malachi interviews - quite long. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O8-t9M7xDc&list=PL1skqvNpox0gis2kjiEccd_ToYg8G2Rgu

[ArMaP]

Its well documented that the Catholic Church has paid out millions to those families of the abused over the last 60-70 years, I don't doubt at all that ALL of the Popes have known about the widespread abuse and cover up's.

I doubt it, in the same way I doubt the president of the United States knows what some US diplomat in a foreign land does. Hierarchy is used to keep things separated, and that's what happens with the Catholic Church.

[fansongecho]

Going to respectfully disagree with you on this one ArMaP - The Pope was ordained in 1966 and has worked his way up the hierarchy for 54 years, I am positive that anyone who exists in an organization for that long has visibility of the dark side of sexual abuse that is occurring over a 50-year time frame.

From the below Wiki page -

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Sexual abuse
See also: Catholic Church sexual abuse cases
Pope Francis has admitted that the Church "arrived late" in dealing with sexual abuse cases.[523] During his papacy, a number of abuse survivors have expressed disappointment in Francis's response to sex abuse in the Church[524] while others have praised him for his actions.[525]

In 2015, Francis was criticized for supporting Chilean bishop Juan Barros, who was accused of covering up sex crimes committed against minors.[526] In 2018, Francis acknowledged he had made "grave errors" in judgment about Barros, apologized to the victims and launched a Vatican investigation that resulted in the resignation of Barros and two other Chilean bishops.[527]

In August 2018, Pope Francis apologized for abuses by clergy in the United States and Ireland.[528][364]

Former papal nuncio Carlo Maria Viganò released an 11-page letter in August 2018 in which he claimed that Pope Benedict XVI had been aware of sexual misconduct allegations against former D.C. archbishop Cardinal Theodore McCarrick and had imposed restrictions on his activities which were then lifted by Francis.[529] Viganò called on Francis to resign as an example for other bishops. Francis acknowledged that he had read Viganò's letter but said that he did not plan to comment on it publicly.[530] It was quickly noted that late in Benedict's papacy, during the time period that Viganò alleged McCarrick was subject to restrictions on his ministry, McCarrick travelled and made multiple public appearances.[531][532] although it was once noted that he seemed to be avoiding the media.[532] However, a 2014 news report described McCarrick's activities as increasing heavily after Francis became pope.[533] As to Vigano's letter, Jason Horowitz, home bureau chief of the NY Times, writes that: "Its unsubstantiated allegations and personal attacks amounted to an extraordinary public declaration of war against Francis' papacy" designed by conservatives to embarrass him at the sensitive time as he began his visitation to Ireland,[534] After being asked to come forward by Viganò, Cardinal Marc Ouellet said that Benedict had imposed informal sanctions on McCarrick but denied that Francis had lifted them.[535]

Pope Francis has come under scrutiny in the case of Father Julio Grassi, a priest convicted of child sexual abuse. As Cardinal, Bergoglio commissioned a study that concluded Grassi was innocent, that his victims were lying and that the case against him never should have gone to trial. Despite the study, the Supreme Court of Argentina upheld the conviction. Grassi has been restricted from exercising any public ministry but has not been laicized.[536]

Following the new sexual abuse allegations, Francis' popularity dropped significantly in the United States. In September 2018, only 48% of Americans had a favorable view of Francis.[537] According to a report published in Der Spiegel in September 2018, "Pope Francis promised when he took office a renewed, cosmopolitan Catholicism. Five-and-a-half years and many abuse cases later, the Universal Church is divided as never before."[538]

Recently nuns have accused clerics of sexual abuse in Italy, the Vatican, France, India, Latin America and Africa. Lucette Scaraffia, a feminist intellectual and the editor in chief of Women Church World, a Vatican magazine, noted that there were nuns having abortions or giving birth to children of clerics.[539][540] In February 2019, Pope Francis acknowledged publicly for the first time that the church has suffered an issue of priests and bishops sexually abusing nuns. Francis had convened a Vatican sexual abuse summit of all the presidents of the world's conferences of Catholic bishops on clergy sexual abuse in Rome 21–24 February 2019.[541] As a follow-up to that summit, on 9 May 2019 Francis promulgated the motu proprio Vos estis lux mundi which specified responsibilities, including reporting directly to the Holy See on bishops and on one's superior, while simultaneously involving another bishop in the archdiocese of the accused bishop.[542]"" Snip

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Francis#Sexual_abuse

I was wrong about the values it is not millions.. its billions in compensation. 

From the Wikipage underneath -

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The responses of the Catholic Church to the sex abuse cases can be viewed on three levels: the diocesan level, the episcopal conference level, and the Vatican. Responses to the scandal proceeded at levels in parallel, with the higher levels becoming progressively more involved as the gravity of the problem became more apparent. For the most part, responding to allegations of sexual abuse in a diocese was left to the jurisdiction of the local bishop or archbishop. According to Thomas Plante, a psychologist specializing in abuse counseling and considered an expert on clerical abuse, "unlike most large organizations that maintain a variety of middle management positions, the organizational structure of the Catholic Church is a fairly flat structure. Therefore, prior to the Church clergy abuse crisis in 2002, each bishop decided for himself how to manage these cases and the allegations of child sexual abuse by priests. Some have handled these matters very poorly (as evidenced in Boston) while others have handled these issues very well."[49]

After the number of allegations exploded following the Boston Globe's series of articles, the breadth and depth of the scandals became apparent in dioceses across the United States. The U.S. bishops felt compelled to formulate a coordinated response at the episcopal conference level. Although the Vatican did not respond immediately to the series of articles published by the Boston Globe in 2002, it has been reported that Vatican officials were, in fact, monitoring the situation in the U.S. closely.[244]

John L. Allen, Jr., senior correspondent for the National Catholic Reporter, characterized the reaction of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) as calling for "swift, sure and final punishment for priests who are guilty of this kind of misconduct."[244] In contrast to this, Allen characterized the Vatican's primary concern as wanting to make sure "that everyone's rights are respected, including the rights of accused clergy" and wanting to affirm that it is not acceptable to "remedy the injustice of sexual abuse with the injustice of railroading priests who may or may not be guilty."[244]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases

Cheers,

Fans'

[fansongecho]

Just to let you know I am agnostic and not a Catholic Church hater - here are some details about the Church Of England and their terrible contribution to this horror story.

https://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2018/06/c-of-es-industrial-scale-whitewash-of-sexual-abuse-exposed

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The Church of England could face a multimillion-pound bill after its ruling body voted in favour of compensating survivors of sexual abuse.

In a debate on the church's response to recommendations made by the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse (IICSA), the General Synod was told by the bishop of Huddersfield, Jonathan Gibbs, that words of apology must be followed by "concrete actions".

Gibbs, who takes over as the C of E's lead bishop on safeguarding issues at the end of February, said the move to pay compensation had major implications. "It will mean money, serious money – and we will need to work out how we're going to fund that," he said.

But the response to sexual abuse should be guided by "the righteousness and compassion of God's kingdom, and not by the short-term and short-sighted financial and reputational interests of the church," Gibbs said.

The chair of the finance committee, John Spence, said funds would be found for compensation payments. "This is not about affordability, it is about justice. Justice cannot have a different value depending on the finances of this or that diocese. Whatever we are told is required ... for redress, then those funds will be found," he said.

During the debate at Church House in Westminster, London, an abuse survivor in the public gallery unveiled a banner that read: "Church Commissioners: Lambeth Palace Library – £23.5m plus fittings, fees and VAT. Reparations for victims of church abuse – £0.00."

It referred to the costs of a new library at the official London residence of the archbishop of Canterbury.

The archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, reaffirmed earlier apologies to survivors for abuse carried out by clergy and the church's role in covering it up. He said he was deeply committed to implementing the IICSA's recommendations when the inquiry publishes its report.

As well as financial compensation, redress would include support for survivors and an approach to safeguarding that sought to "see things through their eyes", said Gibbs.

As well as thousands of historic cases of abuse, there was a 50% rise in concerns and allegations about abuse between 2015 and 2017, according to the most recent church figures.

Incidents relating to the abuse of children and vulnerable adults, including some allegations of serious criminal offences, increased to 3,287 in 2017, compared with 2,195 in 2015. They concerned both current and past events, with 12% of concerns and allegations relating to clergy. Others against whom concerns and allegations were made included church wardens, employees, volunteers, congregation members and people with church connections.

The synod also agreed to set a target for net zero carbon emissions by the C of E by 2030, 15 years before the original proposal, after members called for swifter action to tackle the climate crisis. "Let's really lead for once ... there's nothing more important than this," said Martin Gainsborough, who tabled an amendment to change the target date.
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From this Wiki page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglican_Communion_sexual_abuse_cases#Church_of_England

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Church of England
There have been many cases of sex abuse in the Church of England.

In the 1970s concern was raised over Jeremy Dowling, a lay preacher and employee of the Anglican Church in the Diocese of Truro, and a member of the general synod from 1977. Dowling was accused of sex abuse at specified schools and of sadistic behaviour. Maurice Key, was bishop of Truro at the time and until 1990; Michael Ball succeeded Key.[7]

In 1993 Peter Ball, who had co-founded a monastic community called the Community of the Glorious Ascension with his brother Michael Ball in 1960, was the suffragan Bishop of Lewes in the Diocese of Chichester from 1977 to 1992, and the diocesan Bishop of Gloucester from 1992 to 1993,[8] resigned after admitting to an act of gross indecency with a 19-year-old former novice at the monastery, and accepting a formal police caution for it.[8][9] Ball continued to serve in churches after that.[10] During Peter Ball's trial in 2015, it emerged that in 1993 Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) lawyers had determined at that that "sufficient admissible, substantial and reliable evidence" existed that Ball had committed indecent assault and gross indecency.[10] However, the Director of Public Prosecutions, Barbara Mills, had decided not to prosecute Ball, as a member of the royal family, a lord chief justice, JPs, cabinet ministers and public school headmasters—"many dozens" of people—had campaigned to support him at that time.[8][11]

In 2007 Peter Halliday, a choirmaster in Guildford in Surrey, who had told the church that he had abused children in the 1990s but was allowed to continue working with children, was convicted of three counts of sexual abuse of children, and police were concerned that there had been many more cases.[12]

In light of this event and the public airing of the church's bad handling of Halliday, as well as two other high-profile sexual abuse convictions, the House of Bishops decided in May 2007 to ask the Central Safeguarding Liaison Group to hold a review of past cases throughout the Church of England, which was carried out starting in 2008.[13]:9,12[14] The Diocese of Chichester and the Sussex Police also began investigating long-standing allegations of sexual abuse in East Sussex.[14][15] The Chichester diocesan past review cases report was commissioned in 2009 and run by Roger Meekings.[14][16]

In 2008, Colin Pritchard, a vicar in Bexhill-on-Sea was convicted of sexually abusing two boys; The Guardian described it as the "breakthrough case" for dealing with sexual abuse in the Chichester diocese.[14] Roy Cotton, a priest in the Chichester diocese died in 2006 but allegations of abuse by him emerged shortly thereafter.[14] In 2018, Pritchard, who by then changed his name to Ifor Whittaker, was convicted of further sexual abuse that he had carried out in collaboration with Cotton.[17]

In 2010 the Church of England past cases review was published.[13]:9,12[18]

In 2011 the Diocese of Chichester asked Elizabeth Butler‐Sloss to conduct an independent review of the way the Pritchard and Cotton cases were handled by the Chichester diocese.[14] In December 2011 the Archbishop of Canterbury opened an official inquiry (an archiepiscopal visitation) of the Chichester diocese due to the severity of the sexual abuse problem there; the last time such an inquiry had been established was in the 1890s.[19]

The Meekings Chichester past cases review report was made public in February 2012 and the next day, the Church of England issued a rare public apology in response to the report's damning description of the way the Church handled Cotton and Pritchard and failed to protect and care for people abused by them.[16][20]

In March 2012 two retired Chichester vicars, Gordon Rideout and Robert Coles, were arrested based on information from the past cases review and the Butler-Sloss report.[21]

In May 2012 the review and historic files about Peter Ball were given to the Sussex Police.[8][10] Ball and another priest, Vickery House, were arrested in November 2012[22] and Ball was put on trial in 2014.[8]

The Butler-Sloss report on the handling of Cotton and Pritchard published in December 2012[14][23] and was severely criticized when it was released.[24]

In 2014 the UK government set up an Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse to investigate how the government had handled allegations of sexual abuse and Butler‐Sloss was appointed to lead it.[25] Objections were raised to her participation.[26] The final straw came when Phil Johnson, who by that time was a member of the National Safeguarding Panel for the Church, and who had been abused by Cotton and Pritchard and had given testimony to Butler‐Sloss during her 2011 inquiry, made it public that he had told Butler‐Sloss about abuse by Peter Ball, and that she had chosen to omit that in her report.[24][26] The inquiry was disbanded and re-established the next year, and in November 2015 the panel said it would be include the Church of England and the Roman Catholic Church in its investigations.[27]

In July 2015 Dowling was convicted of child sex abuse and sent to prison.[28] Several bishops failed to take action over Dowling possibly because there was not an earlier prosecution.[7] A few days later the Bishop of Durham said at a church synod that the 2003 abolition of defrocking may have been a mistake; it had been abolished over concerns about wrongful convictions.[29]

In October 2015 Ball was sentenced to 32 months' imprisonment for sexual abuse after admitting the abuse of 18 young men over a period of 15 years from 1977 to 1992.[30][11][31][32] Further charges of indecently assaulting two boys, aged 13 and 15, were allowed to lie on file in a contentious decision by the CPS.[33] Vickery House, was also convicted in October 2015 and was sentenced to serve 6½ years in prison for sex assaults against men and a boy. House worked in the same diocese as Ball. House and Ball collaborated in abusing three victims. If Ball had not pleaded guilty both men would have been tried together.[34] There was a long delay between the first complaints to the police over House and a proper police investigation.[35]

The Anglican Diocese of Portsmouth had a number of sexual abuse convictions in the 1980s and 1990s.[36] Timothy Bavin was the bishop between 1985 and 1996 and during this time a number of serious safeguarding issues took place. For example, Bishop Bavin did not report Father Terry Knight to the police when parents raised their concerns to him in 1985.[36] Father Knight was allowed to carry on in his position until he was later convicted for sexually abusing boys in 1996 and again in 2016.[37] Bishop Bavin had also allowed a convicted paedophile priest, Father Michael Gover, to carry on working for the church on his release in 1990. Father Gover was convicted in 1985 at around the same time as parents raised their concerns about Father Knight.[38] Bishop Timothy Bavin stood down in 1995 whilst Father Terry Knight's police investigation and court case was taking place.[39]

In March 2016, the "first independent review commissioned by the Church of England into its handling of a sex abuse case" issued a 21-page report by Ian Elliott, a safeguarding expert. The Church published only its conclusions and recommendations and "acknowledged the report was 'embarrassing and uncomfortable' reading". The review centered on the case of "Joe" – described in the report as survivor "B". In July 2014, Joe had "reported the abuse to the church's safeguarding officers". He sued the church in October 2015. The church paid £35,000 in compensation and called the abuse is "a matter of deep shame and regret".[40][41]

The review criticised the office of Justin Welby, the Archbishop of Canterbury. It said that Welby's office failed "to respond meaningfully to repeated efforts by the survivor throughout 2015 to bring his case to the church leader's attention". Speaking on behalf of the Church, Sarah Mullally, bishop of Crediton, said that Welby has made "a personal commitment to seeing all the recommendations implemented quickly". The eleven recommendations included (1) training clergy (especially those in senior positions) to keep records and take action for those who report abuse and (2) the church should insure that "pastoral care of survivors takes precedence over protection of reputation or financial considerations". Bishop Mullally "is drawing up an action plan to implement the report's proposals, covering education and training, communication and structural change".[42][43]
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The reason I am so focused on this horrific crime and really do want to see justice brought to the poor victims of this horrific abuse is I dated two ladies (5 years apart) who had been subjected to sexual abuse, one by their father and one by her brothers x 2 -

It wasn't until we had become closer in our relationships that both ladies told me their stories, as you can imagine I wanted to visit these scumbags and exact revenge and as you can imagine both ladies were vehement that this wasn't the thing to do, this was in the 80's and I was in the military I had buddies who would have helped me with my actions, no questions asked, but without addresses there was nothing I could do, neither lady would go to the Police with me and I asked a police friend of mine if there was anything I could do without my girlfriend full agreement and he stated that it was next to impossible without physical evidence and a statement -
This was never going to happen and the thing that I found so troubling was both ladies believed deep down that they had helped to cause it to happen, both were under 10 when the abuse started.

They were both open and happy on the outside but severly damaged (understandbly) on the inside, both really needed ongoing support and therapy and both would not go and seek help (back then going to a therapist in the UK held a lot of stigma)

Needless to say both relationships failed and no matter what I tried to do to support them during our dating nothing I could say or do helped, and ended both relationships with masses of guilt on my part.

I sincerely hope they both did get therapy but I suspect not - they were both so damaged, neither wanted children or to get married, I don't know if their reactions to abuse are common in girls who are abused but I suspect it might be.

Anyway enough of my droning on.

Take care out there.

Fans'

[ArMaP]

Going to respectfully disagree with you on this one ArMaP - The Pope was ordained in 1966 and has worked his way up the hierarchy for 54 years, I am positive that anyone who exists in an organization for that long has visibility of the dark side of sexual abuse that is occurring over a 50-year time frame.

I don't understand why someone should know all the dirty secrets of other people on the same organisation, specially when we're talking about such a large and compartmentalised organisation.

For example, I work for the same company for almost 30 years and only three years ago did I heard about a sexual harassment case involving two of the people I know best in the company.

[fansongecho]

@ArMaP, as I say, I have my views on this and cannot explain/argue your point above, although I do respect your viewpoint.

It is one of the subjects that will always cause a lot of division I think.

Cheers bud,

Fans'

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Question:
Do you think the sexual 'problems' in the Catholic Church are more or less than other large conglomerates?

And is it because of the 'religious' nature of the the organization?
Just curious...

[fansongecho]

Hi Sgt,

I have no empirical evidence to support my reasoning but I think that the pedophile horror comes down to the individual's psychology first and foremost, much like I have said in the past you won't change a pedophile's inclinations anymore than you can try and change a pedophiles color of their eyes with therapy - it cannot be done - unless through physical or chemical surgery -

I think that pedophiles use various institutions to get access to their prey and overtime these institutions have become willing vehicles to allow pedophiles to practice their evil ways.

I strongly believe that any established organization has an element within that is focused on the covert support of pedophilia -

The UK Operation Yewtree set up to catch pedophiles had limited success finding and punishing UK celebrities (see below wiki page for more

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Yewtree

and Operation Ore had more success but also had problems trying to convict some of the alleged perps -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ore

UK News articles at the time stated that the pedophiles came from a broad range of backgrounds, professionals like Doctors, Nurses, Judges, Lawyers, Policemen, Fireman, Teachers, Clergymen as well as non-skilled shop owners, farmers etc -

I have a friend who was part of the serious crimes and sexual exploitation part of the UK Police on a national level and he has said on a number of occasions that the UK public would not believe how massive the pedophile problem is, when they set stings up in chat rooms with false children as bait, the amount of men AND women who try to target and groom the false kid is in the hundreds. He said that the Police and judiciary would need another 20,000 staff JUST to serve the cases that they could raise IF they had the manpower, to prosecute the cases.

Colleagues of his have gone off long term sick or left the Police because of the horrors of the cases they are/have investigated and brought to prosecution, he left after 4 years and is in counseling now.

I have said many times that the reason the pedophiles get lenient to no sentence is due to the endemic corruption at the higher levels of the system/establishment -

So I think what I am trying to say Sgt is the pedophiles want to be as close to children as possible, where and how can they do this?... and specifically anywhere that children will naturally trust figures of authority.

I really do believe all faiths have this challenge within, even if they won't advertise the fact. 

Cheers,

Fans' 

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

So the Catholic Church as an organization, is no less and no more than other large corporations?

The problem as I see it is the coverup portion of it.

Hoping it goes away by moving clergy around, is what I think is the church's main problem